Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Jason McKemie]

"Bags of mostly water" comes to mind.

Wow, that is a pretty nerdy and obscure reference.

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Meathead works in all situations.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
> There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms
> like “Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy
> and therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen”
> and “citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.
>
>
>
> Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses
> will say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A
> few will try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck
> Zieself.
>
>
>
> ….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles
> “citizen” and “citizeness”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
>
> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
>
> Gheeze.
>
>
>
> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>
>
>
> (demi girl was one of the pronouns)
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

So many bad taste jokes could be spawned from that...

From: castarritt 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 2:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

Negative. I'm a meat popsicle.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 3:11 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Meathead works in all situations.  

  From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

  There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms like 
“Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy and 
therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen” and 
“citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.



  Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses will 
say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A few will 
try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck Zieself.  



  ….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles “citizen” 
and “citizeness”.  





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)



  Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff 
on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...

  Gheeze.



  From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.



  (demi girl was one of the pronouns)


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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[castarritt]

Negative. I'm a meat popsicle.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 3:11 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Meathead works in all situations.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
> There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms
> like “Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy
> and therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen”
> and “citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.
>
>
>
> Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses
> will say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A
> few will try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck
> Zieself.
>
>
>
> ….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles
> “citizen” and “citizeness”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
>
> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
>
> Gheeze.
>
>
>
> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>
>
>
> (demi girl was one of the pronouns)
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Meathead works in all situations.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms like 
“Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy and 
therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen” and 
“citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.

 

Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses will 
say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A few will 
try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck Zieself.  

 

….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles “citizen” 
and “citizeness”.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff on 
the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...

Gheeze.

 

>From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.

 

(demi girl was one of the pronouns)




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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[dmmoffett]

There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms like 
“Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy and 
therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen” and 
“citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.

 

Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses will 
say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A few will 
try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck Zieself.  

 

….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles “citizen” 
and “citizeness”.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff on 
the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...

Gheeze.

 

>From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.

 

(demi girl was one of the pronouns)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Old boomers have license to offend.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

78 seems imagined. It might be easier to just use "they" which covers all bases 
and shouldn't offend anyone.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:06 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff 
on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
  Gheeze.

  From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We could simplify this whole thing if we could all be happy with
  "it".


bp

On 6/22/2022 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in
and train my staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal
pronouns.  Seriously...
  Gheeze.
   
  From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
   
  (demi girl was one of the pronouns)

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

They changed the hardware so they, in not ALL cases, are not v6 compatible 
anymore.

This is mostly due to parts shortages.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 12:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

I think even some of the v6 compatible routers are now shipping on v7 only hw

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 9:35 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude 
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily used 
them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts suggest that 
those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place in 
infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been reduced 
through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and CCR2216 share 
similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just 
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat 
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the newer 
routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be great.  
I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers complaining about mid 
day reboots.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need a 
small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a few 
models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you can 
get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s now buying 
2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger is ok, just 
smaller is not.  😊


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But thanks 
for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=






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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.

If you plan

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

We are using v7 in production without issues..  😊


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude 
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily used 
them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts suggest that 
those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place in 
infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been reduced 
through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and CCR2216 share 
similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just 
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat 
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the newer 
routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be great.  
I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers complaining about mid 
day reboots.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need a 
small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a few 
models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you can 
get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s now buying 
2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger is ok, just 
smaller is not.  😊


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But thanks 
for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=






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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.

If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksl

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[TJ Trout]

I think even some of the v6 compatible routers are now shipping on v7 only
hw

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 9:35 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later"
> attitude that MikroTik sometimes shows.
>
> The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily
> used them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts
> suggest that those issues were fixed through software updates.
> The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core
> place in infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been
> reduced through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and
> CCR2216 share similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.
>
> But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just
> decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat
> acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the
> newer routers.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be
>> great.  I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers
>> complaining about mid day reboots.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just
>>> need a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked
>>> a few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind
>>> though!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what
 you can get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to
 buy 4011s now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind
 that larger is ok, just smaller is not.  😊





 *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*


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 MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *

 Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

 *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

 *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net

 Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via
 AF
 *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
 perspective?



 We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
 thanks for checking in Dennis!



 On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:

 We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
 stuff in stock.




 https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=













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 *Dennis Burgess*


 Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

 *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

 *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net

 Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

 Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via
 AF
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
 perspective?



 No mikrotiks to be found..



 On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
 jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

 Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.



 There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some
 UBNT stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the
 most popular switches and routers.



 Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and
 keep people moving.



 If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.

 Jeff Broadwick

 CTIconnect

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@cticonnect.com



 On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 

 Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.



 On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

 So the sales at packetflux have been very

Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Eric Nielsen]

Soylent Green was a documentary, I'm thoroughly convinced. And Idiocracy is
its sequel.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:06 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
> Gheeze.
>
> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>
> (demi girl was one of the pronouns)
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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Darin Steffl]

78 seems imagined. It might be easier to just use "they" which covers all
bases and shouldn't offend anyone.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:06 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
> Gheeze.
>
> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Colin Stanners]

I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily
used them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts
suggest that those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place
in infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been
reduced through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and
CCR2216 share similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the
newer routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be
> great.  I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers
> complaining about mid day reboots.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just
>> need a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked
>> a few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind
>> though!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what
>>> you can get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy
>>> 4011s now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that
>>> larger is ok, just smaller is not.  😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>>> perspective?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
>>> thanks for checking in Dennis!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
>>> stuff in stock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess*
>>>
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>>> perspective?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No mikrotiks to be found..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some
>>> UBNT stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the
>>> most popular switches and routers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and
>>> keep people moving.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>
>>> CTIconnect
>>>
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>>>   Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of
>>> orders will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected
>>> but on the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of
>>> this stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Josh Luthman]

Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be
great.  I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers
complaining about mid day reboots.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
wrote:

> Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just
> need a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked
> a few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind
> though!
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>> Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what
>> you can get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy
>> 4011s now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that
>> larger is ok, just smaller is not.  😊
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>> perspective?
>>
>>
>>
>> We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
>> thanks for checking in Dennis!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
>> stuff in stock.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess*
>>
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>> perspective?
>>
>>
>>
>> No mikrotiks to be found..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some
>> UBNT stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the
>> most popular switches and routers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep
>> people moving.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>>
>> CTIconnect
>>
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>>   Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of
>> orders will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected
>> but on the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of
>> this stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more
>> room to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just
>> that I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>>
>>
>>
>> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
>> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
>> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
>> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
>> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
>> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> - Forrest
>>
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>> NOTICE 

[AFMUG] Building More Datacenters

[Nate Burke]

More Datacenters keep popping up around the Chicago suburbs. There's 
already a $1B Datacenter development going on up by Ohare where they 
razed several old office buildings.  And today, about 1/2 mile from 
that,  a different suburb has just a approved a $2.5B Data center 
development on the old 60 acre United Airlines campus.  3 buildings at 
84MW each.


You hear about the big cloud providers, Microsoft, Google, AWS, Facebook 
but don't they all have their own DC buildings?  I understand specialty 
DC's like CyrusONE that's specifically for trading.  Who's going into 
all these other ones?  It seems like corporate keeps moving to 
outsourcing to "the cloud".  Are they hosting their own cloud 
infrastructures in these private DC's?


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[AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff on 
the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
Gheeze.

>From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.

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Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Steven Kenney via AF]

What monitoring project? :)   I've also considered using PI's as relays to
my main server.  Nice way to collect the data inside networks.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:27 PM Matt  wrote:

> Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
> a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
> I do not want to feed scalpers either.
>
> I guess this relates to the shortages of many things.
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need
a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a
few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you
> can get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s
> now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger
> is ok, just smaller is not.  😊
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
> perspective?
>
>
>
> We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
> thanks for checking in Dennis!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
> stuff in stock.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
> perspective?
>
>
>
> No mikrotiks to be found..
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>
>
>
> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT
> stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most
> popular switches and routers.
>
>
>
> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep
> people moving.
>
>
>
> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
> Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders
> will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on
> the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this
> stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more room
> to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that
> I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>
>
>
> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>
>
>
> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>
>
>
> --
>
> - Forrest
>
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