Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Very anxious to hear the results. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 9:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which says it supports 512 sondes (- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde modes). I'll update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer sondes. If we end up buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with them. Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a RD7200 at some point but hopefully this will get the job done. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable beacon. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x 456mm). Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 Steve, I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones wrote: theres septic sondes you can use for rodding On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable locators. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Carl, Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson wrote: How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which says it supports 512 sondes (*- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde modes). *I'll update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer sondes. If we end up buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with them. Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a RD7200 at some point but hopefully this will get the job done. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable > beacon. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have > a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" > Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive. > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” >> conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a >> HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are >> also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" >> (23mm x 456mm). >> >> Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 >> flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? >> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty >>> large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or >>> larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am >>> going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. >>> https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 >>> >>> Steve, >>> I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the >>> regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz >>> which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: > Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end > of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. > Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>> locators. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>> says >>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>> utilities). >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >
