Re: [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

[Trey Scarborough]

Its pretty easy however most Ethernet switches won't accept OTU4. Some 
exceptions like nokia 7250 IXR-10/6. However just about every DWDM 
vendor has hardware that will do it.  I Don't think fiberstore has 100G 
muxponders.


Ribbon - 9904X and 9608D
ciena 6500 with a 100g transport and 10x 10g card
ekinops with a pm_100G-agg card


On 9/9/23 10:56 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


https://www.fs.com/c/100g-qsfp28-1159?c_site=community&c_ctype=knowledge&c_from=wordlink&c_cat=BMCS220033-100G_Modules-Wiki&c_rel=21493&_gl=1%2aqf87kv%2a_gcl_au%2aMjIyODM1NzExLjE2OTI2Mjc0OTk.

I haven’t done it….but my impression is a dual mode QSFP28 such as the 
above can connect OTU4 to an ethernet switch.  There are cheaper ones 
out there than FS. There’s now a Mikrotik with QSFP28 ports…..and 
probably other low cost vendors are getting into it as well.


So I believe you could get one of these dual mode transceivers into a 
switch or router of choice and then use SFP+ for your 10g paths.


Again, haven’t actually encountered OTU4 in the wild, I hope some 
smart guy will correct me if I’m mistaken.


-Adam

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2023 11:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

What are some of the more 'inexpensive' ways to break a OTU4 carrier 
down to multiple 10g ethernet? Looking at aggregating a bunch of 10g 
waves back to our DC on a single XC using OTU4 provided by the carrier?


TJ


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Re: [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

[TJ Trout]

Trey,

Any sense on the least expensive way to do it? Even a ballpark?

Tnx,

TJ

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 12:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> Its pretty easy however most Ethernet switches won't accept OTU4. Some
> exceptions like nokia 7250 IXR-10/6. However just about every DWDM vendor
> has hardware that will do it.  I Don't think fiberstore has 100G
> muxponders.
>
> Ribbon - 9904X and 9608D
> ciena 6500 with a 100g transport and 10x 10g card
> ekinops with a pm_100G-agg card
>
>
> On 9/9/23 10:56 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> https://www.fs.com/c/100g-qsfp28-1159?c_site=community&c_ctype=knowledge&c_from=wordlink&c_cat=BMCS220033-100G_Modules-Wiki&c_rel=21493&_gl=1%2aqf87kv%2a_gcl_au%2aMjIyODM1NzExLjE2OTI2Mjc0OTk
> .
>
>
>
> I haven’t done it….but my impression is a dual mode QSFP28 such as the
> above can connect OTU4 to an ethernet switch.  There are cheaper ones out
> there than FS.  There’s now a Mikrotik with QSFP28 ports…..and probably
> other low cost vendors are getting into it as well.
>
> So I believe you could get one of these dual mode transceivers into a
> switch or router of choice and then use SFP+ for your 10g paths.
>
>
>
> Again, haven’t actually encountered OTU4 in the wild, I hope some smart
> guy will correct me if I’m mistaken.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2023 11:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?
>
>
>
> What are some of the more 'inexpensive' ways to break a OTU4 carrier down
> to multiple 10g ethernet? Looking at aggregating a bunch of 10g waves back
> to our DC on a single XC using OTU4 provided by the carrier?
>
>
>
> TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

[Trey Scarborough]

TJ,

   The big issue with what I am reading from you is that the carrier is 
going to hand you an OTU4 with the waves muxed on to it. Your best luck 
would be to use the same equipment they are using on the other end. At 
the very least you need to know what it is and what timeslot 
configuration it uses to make certain what you are using is compatible. 
Not all equipment uses the same standard. Your best luck would be the 
ribbon or the ciena more than likely. Getting ciena is hard right now so 
pricing can be steep even for grey market gear. Id say ballpark 
greymarket for a 7 slot chassis and cards 10-15k.


Least expensive way would be if you could convince them to hand them to 
you as colored channels on a passive MUX. I haven't had too much luck 
with that except with carriers I have a people I know in the engineering 
departments.



Trey


On 9/12/23 2:37 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

Trey,

Any sense on the least expensive way to do it? Even a ballpark?

Tnx,

TJ

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 12:17 PM Trey Scarborough > wrote:


Its pretty easy however most Ethernet switches won't accept OTU4.
Some exceptions like nokia 7250 IXR-10/6. However just about every
DWDM vendor has hardware that will do it.  I Don't think
fiberstore has 100G muxponders.

Ribbon - 9904X and 9608D
ciena 6500 with a 100g transport and 10x 10g card
ekinops with a pm_100G-agg card


On 9/9/23 10:56 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
 wrote:



https://www.fs.com/c/100g-qsfp28-1159?c_site=community&c_ctype=knowledge&c_from=wordlink&c_cat=BMCS220033-100G_Modules-Wiki&c_rel=21493&_gl=1%2aqf87kv%2a_gcl_au%2aMjIyODM1NzExLjE2OTI2Mjc0OTk.

I haven’t done it….but my impression is a dual mode QSFP28 such
as the above can connect OTU4 to an ethernet switch.  There are
cheaper ones out there than FS.  There’s now a Mikrotik with
QSFP28 ports…..and probably other low cost vendors are getting
into it as well.

So I believe you could get one of these dual mode transceivers
into a switch or router of choice and then use SFP+ for your 10g
paths.

Again, haven’t actually encountered OTU4 in the wild, I hope some
smart guy will correct me if I’m mistaken.

-Adam

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2023 11:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

What are some of the more 'inexpensive' ways to break a OTU4
carrier down to multiple 10g ethernet? Looking at aggregating a
bunch of 10g waves back to our DC on a single XC using OTU4
provided by the carrier?

TJ


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Re: [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?

[TJ Trout]

Thanks Trey, this whole exercise is to avoid cross connect fees and I think
I just figured out that it's not worth it. Lol.

I'm going to look into it a bit further just to learn however, thank you.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 5:07 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> TJ,
>
>The big issue with what I am reading from you is that the carrier is
> going to hand you an OTU4 with the waves muxed on to it. Your best luck
> would be to use the same equipment they are using on the other end. At the
> very least you need to know what it is and what timeslot configuration it
> uses to make certain what you are using is compatible. Not all equipment
> uses the same standard. Your best luck would be the ribbon or the ciena
> more than likely. Getting ciena is hard right now so pricing can be steep
> even for grey market gear. Id say ballpark greymarket for a 7 slot chassis
> and cards 10-15k.
>
> Least expensive way would be if you could convince them to hand them to
> you as colored channels on a passive MUX. I haven't had too much luck with
> that except with carriers I have a people I know in the engineering
> departments.
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 9/12/23 2:37 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> Trey,
>
> Any sense on the least expensive way to do it? Even a ballpark?
>
> Tnx,
>
> TJ
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 12:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
>> Its pretty easy however most Ethernet switches won't accept OTU4. Some
>> exceptions like nokia 7250 IXR-10/6. However just about every DWDM vendor
>> has hardware that will do it.  I Don't think fiberstore has 100G
>> muxponders.
>>
>> Ribbon - 9904X and 9608D
>> ciena 6500 with a 100g transport and 10x 10g card
>> ekinops with a pm_100G-agg card
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/23 10:56 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.fs.com/c/100g-qsfp28-1159?c_site=community&c_ctype=knowledge&c_from=wordlink&c_cat=BMCS220033-100G_Modules-Wiki&c_rel=21493&_gl=1%2aqf87kv%2a_gcl_au%2aMjIyODM1NzExLjE2OTI2Mjc0OTk
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven’t done it….but my impression is a dual mode QSFP28 such as the
>> above can connect OTU4 to an ethernet switch.  There are cheaper ones out
>> there than FS.  There’s now a Mikrotik with QSFP28 ports…..and probably
>> other low cost vendors are getting into it as well.
>>
>> So I believe you could get one of these dual mode transceivers into a
>> switch or router of choice and then use SFP+ for your 10g paths.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, haven’t actually encountered OTU4 in the wild, I hope some smart
>> guy will correct me if I’m mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2023 11:24 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OTU4 equipment?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are some of the more 'inexpensive' ways to break a OTU4 carrier down
>> to multiple 10g ethernet? Looking at aggregating a bunch of 10g waves back
>> to our DC on a single XC using OTU4 provided by the carrier?
>>
>>
>>
>> TJ
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