[AFMUG] Is this thing still on?

[Jason McKemie]

Just checking to see if the list is up, I haven't gotten anything in a
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

[Jason McKemie]

Jeff -

I've been working with CTI on quotes for these. I had a conference call in
December with (I believe) you and Mark from Adtran. Nabeel recently reached
out to me seeing if I needed anything and I asked him about getting an
Adtran quote earlier last week, but I still have not heard anything on that
front. He did get me the Radisys quote.

Thanks

Jason McKemie
Veloxinet

On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:
> 
> Thanks Josh!
> I can actually help with both.  My contact info is below.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Apr 25, 2024, at 4:59 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:
>
> 
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
the content is safe.
>
> Jeff has some pretty good deals on Adtran stuff.
> Not sure what the Radisys product is but talk to Jeff about the
fiber/Adtran gear.
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:48 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get a quote from Adtran for months with no luck.
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[AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

[Jason McKemie]

I've been trying to get a quote from Adtran for months with no luck. These
guys recently came to my attention. The product and pricing looks
reasonable, has anyone used their gear?
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Jason McKemie]

I don't have either on my network right now, but I am certainly more
familiar with Cisco (although it has been a few years).

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:52 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> Juniper has an entirely different programming style that Cisco.. most
> network folks like one or the other, I would not suggest mixing them in
> your network.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks for the input everyone.

If I'm considering used Juniper, is there any reason to not consider used
Cisco as well?  Seems like a pretty similar situation.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:37 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Another option. Check out OcNOS from IP Infusion. CLI is almost identical
> to Cisco and it's a great value. OcNOS runs on white label boxes so you can
> choose the hardware platform that fits your needs (what I've ordered so far
> comes with OcNOS pre-installed). Lots of hardware choices from Edgecore and
> UfiSpace. IP Infusion supports others, too. OcNOS is a full featured
> carrier-class routing/switching OS and includes full BNG, MPLS, L3/L2VPN
> suite, etc. A Ufispace S9510-28DC-9N0A with DC power and OcNOS MPLS license
> is about $8K and is comparable to the Juniper MX204 in terms of features,
> capacity and port count, including full route tables if used at the border.
> On the low-end, the Ufispace 9502-16MT with MPLS license and DC power is
> about $2200 and has all the same capabilities/features as the bigger box,
> just less capacity and port count. Great platform. I suppose technically
> the white label boxes are L3 switches in so much as the ASIC that runs it a
> switch chip at its hard, but all routing, label switching, and L2 switching
> (data plane) takes place in the ASIC. Control plane is handled by the CPU.
> Worth a look. We have OcNOS interoperating with Juniper, Mikrotik and
> NetElastic on OSPF/MPLS/VPLS.
>
> On 1/11/24 11:16 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Arista goes both ways.  We have a number of Arista L3 switches, and also a
> big modular chassis thing comparable to a Juniper MX.
>
> Full routes just depends on the model.  Some of them can’t do it.
>
>
>
> We started buying Arista a couple of years ago when Juniper changed their
> pricing model.  Good products.  CLI almost identical to Cisco, so it’s old
> hat.  I have no complaints with Arista.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
>
>
>
> Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take
> full multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing
> with some Arista’s.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
>
>
>
> While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used
> Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k
> eaxh.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
> perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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[AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Jason McKemie]

Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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[AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to sell new or used wireless
equipment? eBay is so unfriendly to sellers anymore I hate to go that route.

Jason
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[AFMUG] FS: Cambium cnWave 60GHz

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following available:

1 V5000 unit (working, only deployed for testing)
2 V1000 units (one used for site testing, another NIB)
2 V3000 units w/ antennas (NIB)
Precision mounts for V3000 units

These just don't fit my deployment scenario.  $1800 takes the whole lot.
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[AFMUG] FS: Cambium cnWave 60GHz

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following available:

1 V5000 unit (working, only deployed for testing)
2 V1000 units (one used for site testing, another NIB)
2 V3000 units (NIB)

Thanks!

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Re: [AFMUG] What spam angle is this?

[Jason McKemie]

I get a similar email fairly regularly at my event venue.  They're going to
try to get you to pay the "band" up front, after which they claim they will
pay you for the whole thing as a package (they don't).  Obviously, the band
does not exist and the whole thing is a scam.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:02 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> What's the angle of this?  Just seeing if there's a reply?  This is all
> that's in the message.  No hidden links, or HTML, just plain text.
>
>
>
> ==
> im Lee Derrick by name, I am having my party in August, and I want it to
> be held at your venue on the 23rd of August, with 30 guests invited. I'm
> flexible with the date. Before we proceed with our request, please
> answer the following questions below;
>
>
>
> 1. Can you work with our official band performing for the event
> regarding payment to them?
>
>
> 2. Do you accept credit cards,  or Certified Check for payment?
>
> Await your quick response.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Lee Derrick
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

[Jason McKemie]

Unfortunately Plume is even more expensive than Calix, which is really
saying something.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 5:44 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Yes, we use Plume. Great thing that is an open platform.  Over 50 HW
> platforms are Plume certified.  Awesome Management Portal and App
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://aeronetpr.com> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR>
> <https://wa.me/17872734143> <https://wa.me/17872734144>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> <https://homefi.pr> <https://aeronetpr.com> <https://aeronetpr.com>
> <https://aeronetpr.com>[image: AeroNet-dula-network-access.jpg]
> <https://gofasterpr.com/emailsignature>
> <https://homefi.pr>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Cassidy B. Larson <
> c...@infowest.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 7:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers
>
> We use Calix. Plume is another one I think Gino was using. We have
> thousands of Calixes out there, all paying $10/month, so the MGMT fee is
> covered. Do I like the higher fee? No, and I wish Cory would hook me up
> with lower fees for it. :)
>
> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> >
> > What are you guys using for customer routers? The best option I've found
> overall is TP Link, but their system only manages their mesh routers at the
> moment. The best hardware I've found is Calix, but their management is
> considerably over priced. Any other suggestions?
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[AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

[Jason McKemie]

What are you guys using for customer routers? The best option I've found
overall is TP Link, but their system only manages their mesh routers at the
moment. The best hardware I've found is Calix, but their management is
considerably over priced. Any other suggestions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nickel Plating

[Jason McKemie]

I would definitely consider shipping the part somewhere.

What is involved in the process? I'm pretty sure I have close to zero of
the equipment that is necessary.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 1:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We have a shop in SLC that plates.
> Have you considered doing it yourself?  Pretty simple.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2023 10:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Nickel Plating
>
> I'm having a heck of a time with trying to get someone locally or
> regionally to nickel electro-plate an ice machine part. Most of them don't
> even return my messages.
>
> Any recommendations on where to get something like this done?
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[AFMUG] OT: Nickel Plating

[Jason McKemie]

I'm having a heck of a time with trying to get someone locally or
regionally to nickel electro-plate an ice machine part. Most of them don't
even return my messages.

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Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, seems very poorly cobbled together. Kind of amazed that they got that
many billionaires to pile into the thing. Horror show for sure. They're
likely already past the rescue point, even if they find them.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023, 6:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> What a horror show.  There were so many ways they could have improved
> their
> chances at survival.  Supposedly dissolvable straps should have dropped
> sand
> ballast by now.  They had a way to mechanically drop steel ballast.  And a
> inflatable bladder.
>
> Why not a power and comm tether to the mother ship?  I realize it is
> 12,500'
> of cable but fiber optics are pretty much neutrally buoyant.
>
> But no underwater pinger.  No ELT.  How about a sat tel or VHF radio.
> Some
> kind of way to talk to the world.  No high pressure air to blow tanks.  I
> would have wanted explosive bolts on the hatch if there was no other way
> to
> get out.  But why not some kind of fresh air intake assuming you could
> surface.  This haunts my sleep.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Tryin' to get my ass outa this cramped submarine.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/21/2023 3:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Errbody dead?
> >
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[AFMUG] Ubiquiti RPS-DC-100W

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone know where to find these?  Are they discontinued?  They haven't
been in stock anywhere for quite some time as far as I can tell, and there
doesn't seem to be an ETA.

Any other options for powering Ubiquiti OLTs via DC?

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Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

[Jason McKemie]

I wouldn't put Putin on the left. Having said that, it's my opinion that
the far left and far right converge, no meaningful difference as far as
their damage potential to humanity.

I agree with Steve that actual centrists are what is needed, and along with
it some compromise between parties.


On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Karl Marx
> Lenin
> Stalin
> Putin
>
> Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
> Even Castro
> Kim Jong Un
>
> Seriously you thing the far left are better?
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
>
> The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
>
> I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side,
> everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the
> extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far
> right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay
> people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and
> video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying
> the same things.
>
> I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they
> disagree with.
>
> So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in
> less violent and extreme.
>
> I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme
> left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they
> disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again,
> the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of
> people.
>
> While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their
> silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.
>
> At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I
> don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've
> contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.
>
> I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing
> hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree
> with the hate speech and calls for violence.
>
> The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being
> elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political
> events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if
> Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding
> still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was
> elected. It's very sad.
>
> People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point.
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Ouchie!
>> You called me the C word...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
>>
>> exactly this...  What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good
>> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be.  They have a few
>> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including
>> other races ) reasonably...   And they care about kids and back it up.
>>
>> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.
>>
>> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about
>> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only
>> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are
>> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats
>> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and
>> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the
>> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
>>
>> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and
>> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

[Jason McKemie]

The biggest issue with wireless IMO is the continuously rising noise
floor, more so than the capacity (for now at least).  At some point it is
going to be unusable for links of any decent range - everything will need
to be microcell.  Fiber does not have this problem.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:52 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I am impressed at the advancements with wireless over the years.  I would
> have never expected to be able to deliver PMP 100 Mbps with any quality at
> all.  And we all know that 100 mbps will do almost everything anyone would
> ever need, still we have fiber customers wanting 1. 2.5 and 10 gig...
>
> And to think that we used to be so happy to advertise 10 Mbps on Canopy.
> That burst mode was the bomb until Netflix arrived.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:37 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude
>
> Almost sounds like you're not serious.  Fiber really is the future.
>
> How much wireless bandwidth is there to work with?  If we kicked out all
> incumbent microwave users and made it all available for WISPs there'd be
> what, 50 GHz? More realistically 5-10GHz  that you could really use for
> the
> last mileassuming they'd allocate all of it for a WISP.   Within the
> reality of the regulatory framework we've got more like 1-2GHz available.
>
> Bandwidth of a single mode fiber is ~50 Thz.   Even the most optimistic
> estimate for wireless doesn't compare.
>
> 100Gbps ethernet on fiber uses only a tiny fraction of the possible
> bandwidth and very primitive modulation.  It's not because you couldn't do
> 1024QAM with a laser, it's just that right now we don't need to.
> Theoretically pushing Shannon-Hartley to the limits you could run 1.2
> petabits per second on a single mode fiber.  That's a million gigabits.
>
> Clearly there are badly implemented networks, but that just means a dumb
> person did it.  If you're not branching out into fiber you'll eventually
> be
> left behind.  IMO, the only debatable part is how many years that'll take.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 8:57 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Jan-GAMs
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude
>
> But... But... fiber is the future.
>
> On 3/7/23 4:29 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
> > Our fiber competitor is using fiber to connect to a DSL connection.
> > Those customers who left our wisp for them came back within a few days.
> >
> > On 3/6/23 12:55, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >> Had our first fiber customer disconnect to go to a new WISP in the area.
> >> They said the new service was half the price of ours and they got a
> >> price lock for three years.
> >> Yeah, OK, but we will have your service on standby any time you want
> >> to reactivate it.
> >> The disconnect was Friday.  The reconnect was this morning...
> >> I know that is not music to the ears of WISP only companies, but I
> >> gotta tell you, you never get service calls with fiber.
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Chuck McCown
> >>
> >> McCown Technology Corporation
> >> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> >> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> >> 801-250-9503 Office
> >> 435-830-4306 Cell
> >> www.mccowntech.com
> >> www.microtrench.pro
> >> www.terabitnetworks.com
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Cat5 distributor

[Jason McKemie]

I've been using Primus with no issues.  Baltic has some, but I had to order
directly from Primus last time I needed it.

It looks like Primus is asking $200 at the moment.

-Jason

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm doing a side project and need a few boxes of Plenum cable.  Just
> Cat5e.  I'm only used to outdoor cable, so who has good pricing on
> indoor cable?  I've bought some amazon/Ebay cable in the past.  Is that
> still the best price?Looks like about $135/box, but I know nothing
> about the quality of the cable, or if they'll get all knotted up in the
> box when trying to pull it.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers

[Jason McKemie]

I use Lastpass, the only issues I have are occasional autofill failures.
It also has the ability to share specific passwords with other users.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager
> would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords
> I keep up in the old noggin.  This might be like opening up a apple/PC
> debate, but just curious what others are using.
>
> I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden.  And there's always
> Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file
> at all times, might be hard to share between users.
>
> It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain
> users.  Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare.
> Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios.
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Re: [AFMUG] AC Power Plant

[Jason McKemie]

I believe that was replaced with the FXM HP 2000.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 12:01 PM castarritt  wrote:

> Alpha FXM-2000 was our go-to solution, but they are discontinued now.  We
> have one Newmar AC-UPS-48-2000 in the field and it has been fine so
> far.  I've never looked for anything over 2000 watts on an AC UPS; DC seems
> like a far better option for that much power.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:16 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a nice DC power plant running my -48v stuff has about 140 ah worth
>> of battery on it.  Runs well has remote monitoring with e-mail alerts, web
>> gui, SNMP, etc.
>>
>> I'm looking for something similar for my AC stuff.  Total load is now
>> about 1500 Watts.  Looking for something that can handle about 3000 Watts
>> to let us grow.
>>
>> Want it to have remote monitoring.  I'll start with about 100ah worth of
>> battery, but may need to add to that as we add more equipment.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> For what it is worth I do have some nice cyberpower battery units with
>> the external battery plug.  Has anyone tried to use larger sealed batteries
>> with those units?  Just wondering is the have any type of battery temp
>> monitoring on them.
>>
>>
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>> Thanks,
>>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT pie

[Jason McKemie]

Peh Con

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Puh Can
> Puh Con
> Pee Can
> Pee Con
>
> ?
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Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units

[Jason McKemie]

I'm looking at getting one of these:

https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps


On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit.  Without visiting a bunch of
> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have
> recommendations?  USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always
> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model.  We have an
> Amprobe AT-3500 today.  Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's
> cheaper than the AT-3500
>
> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or
> traceable fiber (Clamp)
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel ice/snow buildup

[Jason McKemie]

Chuck had a few that he had tested, I seem to remember something about beet
juice...

On Friday, November 11, 2022, James Howard  wrote:

> I have a vague memory of a thread in bygone years about testing different
> kinds of coatings to help with buildup of snow/ice but I can’t find the
> thread and don’t remember if it was about solar panels or dish antennas.
>
>
>
> The only thing I can find when I search my archive is about using
> froth-pak on the back of the panels.  Are there any other options that work?
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[AFMUG] FS: Miscellaneous

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following for sale:

1 Ignitenet Fusionswitch Fiber (new in box)
1 Pair of SIAE Alfo+ 11GHz radios with one spare, working pulls, spare is
factory refurbished.
1 Baicells Nova 233 Gen2 BS (working pull)
8 Baicells Atom 14dbi Gen2 CPE (working pull)
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Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they
>>> hate the cable company that much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort
>>> and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%.  It’s not 30%
>>> across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30%
>>> seems to be a safe enough number to plan on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So it certainly helps to undercut them.  Internet customers have a lot
>>> of momentum.  If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now
>>> then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it
>>> most of the time.  Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even
>>> know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the
>>> customer will always be aware of them.  Even when you build in an unserved
>>> area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL
>>> options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of
>>> the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not
>>> going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have to undercut to get penetration?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
>>> Image removed by sender.]
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>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by
>>> sender.]
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>>
>>> About 30%
>>>
>>> We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them
>>> at $50/month vs their $75/month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a
>>> scenario where you are overlaying a cable network?  I'm getting to the
>>> point where that may be the direction I have to go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

Coincidentally it is the actual location of the shitter, hopefully it
hasn't been emptied there though.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 1:05 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Probably where Steve emptied his shitter.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/13/2022 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Brownfield
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 11:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
> I consider greenfield a subdivision of any sort that only has end of the
> line DSL and/or wireless available.
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I call greenfield, dense new subdivisions where we can get into the power
>> trenches for free.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>
>>
>> Where we live there is wireline, but it was installed in ~~ 1975, and
>> is _way_ past the rot stage. I would call this area greenfield as long as
>> you can deal with a population density of about 3 or 4 people per square
>> mile.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 10/13/2022 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>
>> I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a
>> need to overbuild.  I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in
>> these subdivisions but never return to activate it.  We love those.
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they
>> hate the cable company that much.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort
>> and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%.  It’s not 30%
>> across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30%
>> seems to be a safe enough number to plan on.
>>
>>
>>
>> So it certainly helps to undercut them.  Internet customers have a lot of
>> momentum.  If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now
>> then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it
>> most of the time.  Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even
>> know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the
>> customer will always be aware of them.  Even when you build in an unserved
>> area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL
>> options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of
>> the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not
>> going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have to undercut to get penetration?
>>
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

//www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by
> sender.]
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
> About 30%
>
> We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them
> at $50/month vs their $75/month.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:Af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
>
>
> Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario
> where you are overlaying a cable network?  I'm getting to the point where
> that may be the direction I have to go.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

Almost zero of that around here. That would be amazing though.

On Thursday, October 13, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I call greenfield, dense new subdivisions where we can get into the power
> trenches for free.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
>
> Where we live there is wireline, but it was installed in ~~ 1975, and
> is _way_ past the rot stage. I would call this area greenfield as long as
> you can deal with a population density of about 3 or 4 people per square
> mile.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/13/2022 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
> I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a
> need to overbuild.  I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in
> these subdivisions but never return to activate it.  We love those.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
>
>
>
> Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they
> hate the cable company that much.
>
>
>
> You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more.
>
>
>
> If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort
> and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%.  It’s not 30%
> across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30%
> seems to be a safe enough number to plan on.
>
>
>
> So it certainly helps to undercut them.  Internet customers have a lot of
> momentum.  If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now
> then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it
> most of the time.  Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even
> know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the
> customer will always be aware of them.  Even when you build in an unserved
> area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL
> options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of
> the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not
> going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
>
>
> Do you have to undercut to get penetration?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

What are you offering speed-wise vs. theirs?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:00 AM  wrote:

> About 30%
>
> We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them
> at $50/month vs their $75/month.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
>
>
>
> Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario
> where you are overlaying a cable network?  I'm getting to the point where
> that may be the direction I have to go.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

Overbuilding is probably the correct terminology.

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario
> where you are overlaying a cable network?  I'm getting to the point where
> that may be the direction I have to go.
>
> Thanks.
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[AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network

[Jason McKemie]

Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario
where you are overlaying a cable network?  I'm getting to the point where
that may be the direction I have to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: about time

[Jason McKemie]

Hearst had a rather large part in making it illegal in the first place, but
I'm guessing it was politically expedient for a few people.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> How did pot ever get put on sch 1 in the first place?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 8, 2022 8:35 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: about time
>
>
> I talked to my nephew yesterday, and he told me it was a sting operation.
> His friend had 3 ounces, and the fed asked to "buy some". They sent him up
> for 10 years and he got out in 8. At the time he was 21 years old.
>
> IMO, the whole drug classification system is broken, and is mostly a tail
> wagging the dog operation.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/8/2022 2:23 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> My guy was in Nevada state prison as I recall.  He said it was due to the
> three strikes law and was due to pot possession.  I presumed with intent to
> distribute.  I always thought it was a shame.  No idea if he was telling
> the truth.  Was an employee, was on probation at the time.  He was a thief
> and stole from the company but I handled that internally in an attempt to
> help him out.  In the end he screwed himself.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 10:53 PM, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com
> wrote:
>
> 
> I would tend to agree with this, steve. If you're in federal prison for
> marijuana it's because you got busted for a quantity that was enough to
> distribute. You may have pled down to simple possession to avoid having to
> go to trial where you probably would have gotten a much larger sentence but
> the feds aren't out making traffic stops and busting people for having a
> dime bag in their car. Anyway, presidents can pardon whoever they want for
> whatever reason they want. This is a vote buy plain and simple. If Congress
> wants to change the law then it's up to them, but this is pandering at best
> and does nothing to stop it going forward after this soft on crime
> administration leaves office. Congress should get off their ass and change
> the law or people should pay for doing the crimes. That's how it's supposed
> to work.
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 11:49 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
>> Nobody goes to federal prison for just simple possession of marijuana. I
>> so hate that tripe. Just like the third striker who went up for life for
>> stealing a pack of gum. He went for committing too many crimes and still
>> stealing gum when he knew the consequenses
>> First of you go to prison for felonies, not misdemeanors. So theres no
>> "simple possession" it's a word game to make it sou d like Johnny quire boy
>> got 10 large for a joint. No, Johnny had carry weight and got nabbed cause
>> hes not very good at being a criminal.
>> I'll be glad when they decide whether the classification of marijuana is
>> a mid term or 2024 vote purchase so this is all behind us anyway.
>> It's sad that something that should ha e been changed decades ago keeps
>> being pocketed as a hail mary for a losing election team
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 9:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Brother of a friend got sentenced for simple possession, went to the big
>>> house and raped by white supremists..  joined them to keep from getting
>>> killed, got aids and then used as a pawn by same WS and convicted of
>>> threatening the governor..  So wrong on so many levels...
>>>
>>> On 10/6/22 5:29 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> I know a guy that got life for weed under the three strikes law back in
>>> the late 1980s.Last time he saw me he said: “fuck chuck, you can kill
>>> somebody and only get 15 years.  This is crazy”  I don’t know if he ever
>>> got out.
>>>
>>> *From:* Darin Steffl
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2022 6:00 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: about time
>>>
>>> Took long enough. No one should be in prison for simple possession of
>>> weed. It turns non-violent criminals into something worse than that. I'm
>>> sure it's traumatizing for those incarcerated for something that didn't
>>> hurt anyone.
>>>
>>> Why put people in prison for weed but sentence people way less time, or
>>> not at all, for physical abuse, battery, sex crimes, etc? It's sick!
>>>
>>> We see too many black people in prison for weed but white people get
>>> charged less or are released on probation for rape with evidence.
>>> Particularly, young white men who "have a future" and the judge wouldn't
>>> want to ruin their life. Forget about the woman they raped, it's just boys
>>> being boys.
>>>
>>> Obviously not every judge is a shit head racist, but some of them are
>>> and they should be weeded out. The US incarcerates way too many people as a
>>> whole.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 4:44 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 My nephew has a close friend who was sent up 8 years for possession of
 2
 or 3 ounces of weed. I think he got a couple years off for good
 behavior
 or something, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

[Jason McKemie]

At least those are run of the mill pronouns, holy sh*t does it get
convoluted:

https://images.app.goo.gl/PWSo9UqZMASSb7YC7

Don't ask me what 95% of them mean.

They seems pretty safe, so I guess just use that when you're around the
potentially woke.

On Thursday, October 6, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Got my first email where the sender listed their pronouns.
> It was from the clerk of the Utah court of appeals.
> She/Her/Hers
>
> I hope this does not become a thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Adapting 3/4" HDPE to 1" PVC

[Jason McKemie]

Will try that, I figured they would stick together at that point.

I've used couplers, but they're not deep enough and it doesn't bind
together the same way the flared end does with HDPE.

On Monday, September 26, 2022, TJ Trout  wrote:

> if you just need the flared end of a pvc pipe you can take a 1ft piece and
> sand one end down to give the edge 45 degree or greater edges, then you
> just heat up 3in of pipe and jam the beveled piece against it and it will
> flare out
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 7:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Basically looking for a way to use the rest. It looks like PVC is about
>> 300-400% higher than last time I bought it. I'll check out the flaring
>> tools, there might be some options there.
>>
>> I guess it is nice to know I'm not the only one doing it that way, I just
>> thought that there might be a more structured method.
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of companies do it this way as well.
>>> Are you looking for a way to use the half stick you are throwing away?
>>> Or a replacement for the PVC?
>>> There are pex flaring tools that might be able to flare the PVC if you
>>> heat it, I think that is what TJ Trout is suggesting.
>>>
>>> On amazon there is this tool:
>>> VOTOER Hydraulic Tube Expander Tool 7 Lever HVAC Swaging Kit 3/8 to
>>> 1-1/8inch Copper Tube Expander Tool with Tube Cutter and Deburring Tool
>>>   Would a stick of metal electrical conduit be any cheaper (EMT).  Not
>>> sure if irrigation funny pipe comes in sizes that large.Non split
>>> smurf tube?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2022 5:27 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Adapting 3/4" HDPE to 1" PVC
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a good solution for this?
>>>
>>> My drop conduit is 3/4" HDPE, but my ONT closure accepts 1" PVC. I had
>>> been just using the flared end of a stick of PVC and tension fitting it to
>>> the HDPE, but with PVC prices skyrocketing I'd like to find a better way to
>>> do this since I use a 10ft stick for each install and then throw the rest
>>> away.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Adapting 3/4" HDPE to 1" PVC

[Jason McKemie]

Basically looking for a way to use the rest. It looks like PVC is about
300-400% higher than last time I bought it. I'll check out the flaring
tools, there might be some options there.

I guess it is nice to know I'm not the only one doing it that way, I just
thought that there might be a more structured method.

On Monday, September 26, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Lots of companies do it this way as well.
> Are you looking for a way to use the half stick you are throwing away?
> Or a replacement for the PVC?
> There are pex flaring tools that might be able to flare the PVC if you
> heat it, I think that is what TJ Trout is suggesting.
>
> On amazon there is this tool:
> VOTOER Hydraulic Tube Expander Tool 7 Lever HVAC Swaging Kit 3/8 to
> 1-1/8inch Copper Tube Expander Tool with Tube Cutter and Deburring Tool   
> Would
> a stick of metal electrical conduit be any cheaper (EMT).  Not sure if
> irrigation funny pipe comes in sizes that large.Non split smurf tube?
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2022 5:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Adapting 3/4" HDPE to 1" PVC
>
> Does anyone have a good solution for this?
>
> My drop conduit is 3/4" HDPE, but my ONT closure accepts 1" PVC. I had
> been just using the flared end of a stick of PVC and tension fitting it to
> the HDPE, but with PVC prices skyrocketing I'd like to find a better way to
> do this since I use a 10ft stick for each install and then throw the rest
> away.
>
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[AFMUG] Adapting 3/4" HDPE to 1" PVC

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have a good solution for this?

My drop conduit is 3/4" HDPE, but my ONT closure accepts 1" PVC. I had been
just using the flared end of a stick of PVC and tension fitting it to the
HDPE, but with PVC prices skyrocketing I'd like to find a better way to do
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[AFMUG] RB260GS

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have a source for these? I only need a few.
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI Camera venting

[Jason McKemie]

I don't get the wifi camera thing, you're already running power, so why not
take the time to wire the cameras up correctly?

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Usually the incidents are not this close, but when they're on top of each
> other it just makes me angry.  Just because you refuse to understand it,
> doesn't make it magic.
>
> Rural customer wants our internet. ok, no problem, we do that all the
> time.  The ONLY reason they want the connection from us, is so they can put
> RING cameras in their steel barn 300' away from the house, and the kid at
> best buy told them it would be fine because you just plug them in and they
> connect to the wifi.
>
> One of our property managers who we have several connections to her
> buildings wants to put 30 cameras in at 2 MDU buildings in an office park.
> Both their camera vendor and Comcast assured her that it would only require
> a connection in one of the FACP rooms, and that the other building 400'
> away, with the FACP Room on the opposite end of the building would be able
> to 'ping off it' just fine.  I know comcast advertises their new wifi as
> Magic, but I don't think even it could do that.
>
>
> Am I the bad guy for dashing their hopes and dreams?  I consider it
> 'managing expectations'  like 'If your computer can't print to your
> printer, getting our connection instead of a hotspot isn't going to help
> that'
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery Heaters

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks, that is about what I've been looking for.

On Monday, September 12, 2022, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I do pads.  https://www.amazon.com/Cozy-Products-FW-Electric-Warmer/
> dp/B79896  Just put one of these on it and leave it plugged in all
> year.  https://www.amazon.com/Tempro-Temprocube-Voltage-Control-
> Thermostat/dp/B07D3421SG
>
> On 9/12/2022 6:53 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Pads are easy.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2022 4:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Battery Heaters
>
> What are you guys using for battery heaters in outdoor enclosures?  I'm
> seeing blankets, pads, etc - it's about to start getting cold here and I'd
> like to get something in place.
>
> Thanks.
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[AFMUG] Battery Heaters

[Jason McKemie]

What are you guys using for battery heaters in outdoor enclosures?  I'm
seeing blankets, pads, etc - it's about to start getting cold here and I'd
like to get something in place.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cabinet Color

[Jason McKemie]

Seems like a good option, might be a bit of an eyesore at that point though!

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:26 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Check this out
>
>
> https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/the-whitest-paint-is-here-and-its-the-coolest.-literally..html
>
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>
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> www.Myakka.com
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> Thursday, September 1, 2022, 2:13:55 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I've got a couple air-conditioned DDB cabinets that are raw aluminum.
> Would it be worthwhile to paint these white before installing them?  I know
> white reflects more heat, just not sure it is worth the trouble.
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[AFMUG] Cabinet Color

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a couple air-conditioned DDB cabinets that are raw aluminum.
Would it be worthwhile to paint these white before installing them?  I know
white reflects more heat, just not sure it is worth the trouble.
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[AFMUG] Cabinet base / vault combo

[Jason McKemie]

There used to be a company that made composite OSP cabinet bases that were
also vaults.  Does anyone know who this is or if something like this is
still made?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Paranoid

[Jason McKemie]

I get this all of the time for things that I thought that I was talking
about out of earshot of my phone. Evidently not so.

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Lately, I have been getting spam that is pushing products that I just
> talked about in emails.
> Coincidence?
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Rejects LTD Broadband, Starlink Bids for Broadband Subsidies

[Jason McKemie]

This actually seems like a win for sanity.

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022,  wrote:

> https://fcc.gov/document/fcc-rejects-ltd-broadband-
> starlink-bids-broadband-subsidies
>
>
> - Jared
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Jason McKemie]

Sounds about right.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:01 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Yep.  They pointed to the templates and said “there’s your assistance”.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> >  Just curious if you ever got an answer on your request for assistance
> > on the BDC filings.
> >
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> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> >> On Thu July 21 2022 10:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >> I requested help under the service providers smaller than 100K will get
> >> assistance from the commission.  We will see what kind of assistance I
> get.
> >>
> >> From: Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC
> >>
> >> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.
> >> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did
> get
> >> some wins.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
> >>  That is sarcasm
> >>  Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
> >>  I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming
> >>
> >>  On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.
> >>
> >>From: Brian Webster
> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
> >>To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
> >>Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC
> >>
> >>Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months.
> >> Then the full PE cert is required.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thank you,
> >>
> >>Brian Webster
> >>
> >>www.wirelessmapping.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> via
> >> AF Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
> >>To: af@af.afmug.com
> >>Cc: Chuck McCown
> >>Subject: [AFMUG] BDC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Starting to look into what I have to do.
> >>
> >>Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of
> the
> >> alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
> >>
> >>(ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering
> and
> >> design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of
> relevant
> >> experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR PoE Input

[Jason McKemie]

These are 1009's, they are labeled for PoE.

I like the 48v power supply option as well, I just thought I'd use the PoE
input since it is already present.  Unless there is a compelling reason to
do otherwise.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> What variant of CCR? I don't think they all support PoE.
>
> Every MikroTik PoE device I've seen just uses 4,5+/7/8-. I don't know that
> you'd need all four pairs, although most gigabit PoE devices will take
> power on any combination of pins.
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 2:50 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what pins work for powering a compatible CCR unit via
>> DC?  I can't seem to find anything that specs more than two pairs, I assume
>> I need all 4 pairs for power and gigabit data. I'd like to power a couple
>> of CCR's using ports on a rackinjector.
>>
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[AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR PoE Input

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone know what pins work for powering a compatible CCR unit via DC?
I can't seem to find anything that specs more than two pairs, I assume I
need all 4 pairs for power and gigabit data. I'd like to power a couple of
CCR's using ports on a rackinjector.

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[AFMUG] FS: Miscellaneous

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following for sale:

1 Ignitenet Fusionswitch Fiber (new in box)
1 Pair of SIAE Alfo+ 11GHz radios with one spare, working pulls, spare is
factory refurbished.
1 Baicells Nova 233 Gen2 BS (working pull)
8 Baicells Atom 14dbi Gen2 CPE (working pull)
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Jason McKemie]

I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement
with increased requirements?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport -
> only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally
> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access
> who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a
>> loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not
>> apply to me.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>
>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with
>>> free access to the internet thrown in...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>
>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.
>>> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get
>>> some wins.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
 That is sarcasm
 Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
 I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming

 On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.
>
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months.
> Then the full PE cert is required.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> Starting to look into what I have to do.
>
> Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the
> alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
>
> (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering
> and design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of
> relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or
> performance.
>
>
>
> I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks, what switches have you been having good luck with?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Our preferred solution is:
> Switch of your choice + Packetflux Rack injector
>
> With the rack injector you can power pretty much anything.  And with the
> switch of your choice you have unlimited options from dumb switch to layer3
> or even full blown router
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks.

I guess my title was somewhat misleading, I'm looking for a switch for use
at a tower site, but preferably rack-mount.  I'll look more at the mikrotik
options.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I will only use Netpower16 anymore.  Love them.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a
>> tower site? It would be nice if it had dual voltage options as well. --
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[AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a
tower site? It would be nice if it had dual voltage options as well.
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

[Jason McKemie]

I wish I could get that deal!

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Ouchy, my 10 Gig DIA was $600 I think.  Transport was $1900 I think.  So
> $2500 all in.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, July 8, 2022 11:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc
> promo
>
> Mike; notwithstanding ASE or legacy products they only sell waves, they
> just call them EPLs lol
>
> Bill; a wave is just a ptp circuit but rides directly on fiber using DWDM
> channels the "colors" but you only need grey light (1310) to talk to the
> waves (they use a converter) some carriers sell alien waves which are
> native dwdm all the way to your equipment.
>
> Chuck; nothing market shattering, it's a ICB fish market depending on the
> region, the end points, sales quotas and the angle of the sun that day.
> DIA  $1000-1700/1g, 3000-5000/10g, in a DC 10G ~$2000-2500
> 10g waves $1200-$3000
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 7:24 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Waves or Ethernet? I didn't know AT sold waves.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2022 9:16:00 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> We have a direct carrier agreement for our wisp, part of keeping that
>> going is having new sales revenue, I primarily buy for my own network but
>> occasionally I have helped friends and fellow list members. Let me know if
>> anything is of interest to you when you are *ready to buy*!
>>
>> Att 10/100g waves are pretty competitive (or competitive for at)
>>
>> MPLS (ASE) competitive in contrast to retail and you get a free 1 or 10g
>> aggregation port at your noc/colo (40% commit required), cool thing is you
>> can order remote connections back to this port on att or any major lec/mso
>> in all 50 states! similar deal available with Comcast
>>
>> DIA
>> att/comcast slight discount & usually a free month
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> TJ Trout
>> Volt Broadband
>> AS62809
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation

[Jason McKemie]

It sounds like all they have now is a Billing/OSS system that presumably
has this integrated.  Do you have a separate setup?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:34 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jason,
>
> I've been using FiberSmith by Donny Smith.  It is based on 3GIS.  Does
> mapping, splicing, etc.  Also produces some nice splice diagrams per splice
> case.
>
>
> --
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> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
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> www.Myakka.com
>
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> Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 3:18:24 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> Revisiting this.
>
> I've been trying to find something besides spreadsheets to document
> splices / splice cases, but cannot find anything that isn't an
> all-inclusive package with a matching monthly fee.  Does anyone know of
> anything out there that works for this?  I've been trying to use
> spreadsheets, but find them extraordinarily cumbersome.  I'm starting to
> think some graphing paper and a pencil might be the only option.
>
> I don't really need mapping, but something that involves
> mapping/GIS/splice documentation may be useful as well.
>
> Thanks.
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[AFMUG] Splice Documentation

[Jason McKemie]

Revisiting this.

I've been trying to find something besides spreadsheets to document splices
/ splice cases, but cannot find anything that isn't an all-inclusive
package with a matching monthly fee.  Does anyone know of anything out
there that works for this?  I've been trying to use spreadsheets, but find
them extraordinarily cumbersome.  I'm starting to think some graphing paper
and a pencil might be the only option.

I don't really need mapping, but something that involves mapping/GIS/splice
documentation may be useful as well.

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[AFMUG] FS: Baicells

[Jason McKemie]

I have 1 Baicells Nova 233 gen1 for sale as well as 8 Atom Gen2 CPE.
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[AFMUG] Government Fiber Money

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone know of any government funding, either grants, low interest
loans, or a combination of the two, for smaller fiber projects? I've got
some small groups of houses that are largely stranded, and private funding
a fiber build to these locations doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Jason McKemie]

"Bags of mostly water" comes to mind.

Wow, that is a pretty nerdy and obscure reference.

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Meathead works in all situations.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
> There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms
> like “Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy
> and therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen”
> and “citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.
>
>
>
> Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses
> will say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A
> few will try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck
> Zieself.
>
>
>
> ….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles
> “citizen” and “citizeness”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>
>
>
> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
>
> Gheeze.
>
>
>
> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>
>
>
> (demi girl was one of the pronouns)
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: LTU Rockets

[Jason McKemie]

This does sound pretty reasonable.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 2:29 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You give em to me
> your house has less fire in it
> its reasonable to not want fire in your home
> youre very reasonable
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 1:41 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Make a *reasonable* offer? :-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>
>>> gimme em
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 2:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know I'm a day late to the game here, but I was just trying to do a
>>>> bit of weekend work and discovered that I inadvertently ordered a pair of
>>>> LTU Rockets when I needed AF 5XHD.  I already had them on the antennas
>>>> before I realized they weren't what I was intending on installing.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I have a pair of them, never powered up, if anyone is
>>>> interested.
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: LTU Rockets

[Jason McKemie]

Make a *reasonable* offer? :-)

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022, Steve Jones  wrote:

> gimme em
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 2:19 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I know I'm a day late to the game here, but I was just trying to do a bit
>> of weekend work and discovered that I inadvertently ordered a pair of LTU
>> Rockets when I needed AF 5XHD.  I already had them on the antennas before I
>> realized they weren't what I was intending on installing.
>>
>> Anyhow, I have a pair of them, never powered up, if anyone is interested.
>>
>> -Jason
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[AFMUG] FS: LTU Rockets

[Jason McKemie]

I know I'm a day late to the game here, but I was just trying to do a bit
of weekend work and discovered that I inadvertently ordered a pair of LTU
Rockets when I needed AF 5XHD.  I already had them on the antennas before I
realized they weren't what I was intending on installing.

Anyhow, I have a pair of them, never powered up, if anyone is interested.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jason McKemie]

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more
effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:

> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school
> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a
> solution either.
>
> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
> departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>>
>> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
>> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants
>> notice.
>> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
>> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
>> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the
>> incident.
>> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and
>> strategy.
>> They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jason McKemie]

Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>
> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants
> notice.
> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the
> incident.
> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and
> strategy.
> They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Location

[Jason McKemie]

Yes, it sounds as though they do.  I had hoped when we became a CLEC I
wouldn't have to mess with this sort of thing, but evidently that is not
the case.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 12:33 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Do they have easements for every property?
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2022 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Utility Pole Location
>
>
>
> A utility company I am dealing with is claiming that they now stake their
> poles a minimum of 1ft off of the ROW, therefore I have to pull easements
> for every property that the poles pass.  Has anyone come across anything
> like this before?  They just started doing this a couple of years ago, as I
> had previously deployed on their poles without having to get separate
> easements for every property.
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[AFMUG] Utility Pole Location

[Jason McKemie]

A utility company I am dealing with is claiming that they now stake their
poles a minimum of 1ft off of the ROW, therefore I have to pull easements
for every property that the poles pass.  Has anyone come across anything
like this before?  They just started doing this a couple of years ago, as I
had previously deployed on their poles without having to get separate
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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

[Jason McKemie]

I'm a fan of SOARE

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> AEIOU RST
> Good one.  But no N.
>
> Still sticking with
> ADIUE
> SNORT  It has an N.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:08 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>
>
> RAISE
>
> TOUCH
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/1/2022 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> OK, I’ll show you mine if you show me yours:
> Start words
> ADIEU
> SNORT
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>
> Wordle was about to escalate to violence between me and my son so we have
> refrained.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> My wife and I go toe to toe each morning with Wordle.  She is the only
>> one that I care about beating/sharing/bragging/gloating.
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:55 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>
>> Or brags about wordle
>>
>> On 6/1/22 8:19 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Facebook is a nice way to keep in touch with people from my past.
>>
>>
>>
>> I block or snooze anyone who uses it as a soapbox.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *James Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2022 10:27 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>
>>
>>
>> Mama says Mama says Facebook is from the devil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>
>>
>>
>> Facebook is the anti-christ.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:07 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1411496139290536/?s=ifu
>>
>> like this, you cant get the time back, hes right, but you cant get that
>> time back
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:52 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> youll regret making facebook part of your routine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 5:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Because I am lazy and already have a FB group.  Since I am checking FB,
>> this adds no additional overhead.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:07 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't we just use something simple like groups.io. Our local
>> neighborhood has been using it for years now.
>>
>> https://groups.io/
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 5/31/2022 1:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> The day Bill Prince starts using the FB page, then perhaps I really will
>> quit the email list.
>>
>> Wish there was a way to automatically post here the stuff that gets
>> posted there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jan-GAMs
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:54 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>
>>
>>
>> Nothing has really changed, the slime from TV has simply moved to a new
>> media: https://youtu.be/tdtGo2Ib9oI
>>
>> On 5/31/22 12:27, Robert wrote:
>>
>> Well that would certainly "clean up" some of the color on the list, some
>> people will get some automagic time outs regularly..   FB reaches right
>> down into your "privates" to make sure you are a good netizen...
>>
>> On 5/31/22 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/433653481449452
>>
>>
>>
>> Not really, but I am having to continually work to keep gmail from
>> blacklisting this list.
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>>
>> I will keep it running for as long as people want to continue to post.
>> But I realized that when we had our political meltdown last week, I could
>> have killed it if it was on FB.
>>
>>
>>
>> So time to retire the work horses and buy a tractor I guess...
>>
>>
>>
>> (The whole “I quit” thing is an old story, it is how this list came into
>> existence in the first place).
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jason McKemie]

An equally disturbing problem exists on the other end of the spectrum as
well, however. The US political system needs a lot less partisan nonsense
and a lot more people working from the center.

On Saturday, May 21, 2022, Steve Jones  wrote:

> The liberals of 2022 are a prime example of the circle where bad times
> breed strong men, strong men breed good times, good times breed weak men,
> weak men breed bad times.
> Their weakness is why its said that the generation in grade school through
> the current graduating class is projected to be one of the most
> conservative in history. Not alt right the weak minded liberal would label
> them. It's a humorous consequence that that generation is the one that will
> be taking care of the feeble 2022 liberals as they age out of the spotlight.
> Sadly, that generation of strong men will breed the good times that allow
> the weak liberals to exit the world in comfort, all while bringing about
> the other side of the circle.
> Liberals of 2022 are so accustomed to their tantrums being projected in
> their fishbowl and strong men ignoring them that they feel their words are
> relevant. They label anyone who disagrees with them a racist, because
> that's how feeble minds work, and they think it will still matter in a
> decade. It wont. It's simply part of the circle, like how sometimes a
> taking a good shit feels good, but then you have to get through wiping your
> ass to get to a clean butthole again. The 2022 liberal is the equivalent of
> the asswiping. A neccessary, albeit disgusting byproduct of good times on
> the way to another cycle of good times.
> Think about it, if it werent for the fact that it feels so refreshing to
> have a clean butthole, we would all dread taking a dump. Liberals serve a
> purpose, just need to get through to the flush and the ship will right
> again.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022, 5:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>> Odd times
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>
>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>> vernacular.
>>
>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jason McKemie]

Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days (at
least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
> FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:
>
> Moderate democrat
> Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
> Libertarian
>
> My 1st choice would be libertarian,
> 2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
> 3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle
>
> In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
> independent
>
> If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
> enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
> inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST
> possible outcome.
>
> Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of
> worms for another thread/day lol.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify
>> as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
>>> Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want
>>>> a libertarian!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
>>>>> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
>>>>> vote)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
>>>>>> use some more grit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>>>>> never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>>>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
>>>>>> he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>>>>>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a
>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
>>>>>> socially
>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look 
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are 
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
>>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surv

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.

On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
> Bobert elected lol :-/
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
>> libertarian!
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
 use some more grit.

 In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
 affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
 trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
 shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.

 What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
 he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
 teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
 employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
 them.

 Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
 cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
 impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
 antifa and proud boys.

 Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
 reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
 to advance.

 *From:* Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.


 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
> abuse
> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
> them
> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>
>
>
> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
> judgement.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel
> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>
>
>
> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>
>
>
> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>
>
>
> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>
> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>
>
>
> Odd times
>
> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>
> Never felt they had to earn it.
>
> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>
>
>
> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families
> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>
> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact
> same vernacular.
>
>
>
> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] Transtector DC or MTC DC Surge Suppression?

[Jason McKemie]

If the form factor of MTC units works better for you I would definitely use
those. The transtector units are overpriced, the only reason I use them is
because I like the outdoor case for tower mount applications.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022,  wrote:

> I’m getting ready to test some Tarana gear. They recommend a Transtector
> 1101-1110 for surge suppression on the DC line. I recognize that
> Transtector is exceptional, but I’d like to know if it is significantly
> better than the MTC DC surge suppressors like the 800-DCSS-APC or
> 800-DCSS-AB-APC.
>
>
>
> I’m not necessarily looking to save $150 (Although that is very nice), I’m
> more interested in the form factor and how the MTC units will work better
> in our small enclosures.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] Caller ID External Display

[Jason McKemie]

As far as I can tell no one makes HDMI pass-through units that will display
the information on the screen.  There are a few high-visibility units on
ebay that may work for viewing across the room, that depends on the person
and the room though.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 12:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm trying to save my Mom some money with the obscene amount she pays
> Comcast each month for the black 4x3 TV shows she watches, but one
> of the things she really likes is that with her Triple play, the Caller
> ID Information for her landline calls pops up on the TV Screen.
>
> It looks like standalone Caller ID Boxes may be a thing of the past,
> unless I'm searching amazon for the wrong thing.Hearing and vision
> are not that great, so needs to be a large bright display. Ebay has some
> old models, but they don't look very large, or bright.  I'm guessing
> there's not a box that the HDMI Cable would pass through and add caller
> ID as an overlay as the screen.
>
> Many of you have been doing Telco fora long time, what CallerID devices
> have there been over the years that might work?  I'm thinking something
> like the size of a tablet that you could see from across the room.  If
> it could announce it audibly too, that would be nice.
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Re: [AFMUG] Hello?

[Jason McKemie]

Looks like the last one I received was 4/18, but it has been very slow
overall.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022, Jay Weekley  wrote:

> The last message I have received is from 4/16.  Has there been traffic
> since then?
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> AFMUG pissed off Gmail at the end of March.  Looks like you're using it.
>> Make sure you're subscribed and then create a filter to allow the list's
>> messages.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 11:19 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
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[AFMUG] Hello?

[Jason McKemie]

Is this thing still on?
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Easter

[Jason McKemie]

I'm using Gmail, the only issues I'm seeing are some improper spam tagging.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022, Bill Prince via AF  wrote:

> I can tell you this.
>
> My gmail address gets zero, zip, nada from the af.afmug.com domain. When
> I send in subscribe messages I don't get an accept or a deny. Just nothing.
> It seems from what I can tell that my outgoing messages get to the list,
> but I don't get any responses unless someone sends me a direct message from
> their own server.
>
> I created another gmail address and sent in a subscribe message. It
> disappeared into the ether with no response of any kind. Again; zip zero,
> nada. Nothing to filter because nothing comes in at all if it's coming from
> "@af.afmug.com".
>
> I created a disposable email address with my yahoo account, and
> subscribed. I got a prompt response to confirm my subscription, which I
> did. and now I'm getting list emails here. It also appears that my outgoing
> to the li;st are working.
>
> I'm not a sendmail "knowledgable" kind of guy, but it appears from this
> end that gmail is a black hole for animal farm.
>
>
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>
>
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 06:52:05 PM PDT, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone check headers for server ip and run against the blacklists? I
> wonder if it's ip reputation or something else
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 5:53 PM Bill Prince via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Welp. It appears to be "something" with gmail. I created an alternate
> email ID in gmail, and sent a subscribe message. No reply from server. Now
> coming through a disposable addy in my yahoo mail.
>
>
> (just need to remember the correct outgoing addy)
>
> .
> bp
>
> On 4/14/2022 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> The guys running the mailserv gave me a bunch of stuff to do to the
> domain.  That may help.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2022 5:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Easter
>
> check your spam :) add a filter until Chuck can get the situation figured
> out
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:24 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> 2 weeks without a message is too long.
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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Jason McKemie]

Still receiving you here.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Trying an anti-spam filter
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Test message. 2 weeks now.

[Jason McKemie]

Some of us are still here!

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 8:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Are we all done?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Google vs Federated

[Jason McKemie]

It seems like 6 in one, half dozen in the other to me.  The transition on
Cambium is a bit smoother with Google, so I'm going that direction.  Either
one could announce end-of-life in the next week.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 12:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Commscope hurt me in the feelings.
>
> So we had already started to process of having a SAS account with google
> for access to the toolset (you can have an account, no fee, even if you
> have no registered CBSDs) so we were going to go with them even though it
> seemed like getting into a second burning plane after the first one crashed.
>
> Then I got some info, Federated apparently has really good logging as far
> as what is taking place. So if you come in one morning with 20 customers
> down because an AP dropped its power after CPAS, you can find out quickly
> the what and why of it.
>
> So we are going with federated as our SASand just going to use the free
> toolset from google until they charge us. I dont know what it looks like
> yet though
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Re: [AFMUG] Vertical Bridge

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks, do you have a contact over there?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 11:43 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> We were pre-existing on a tower they bought.  Haven't had any issues with
> them.  They called us looking for video recordings after a copper thief
> came through, and the VB guy drove to our office to pickup a USB stick.
> They had replaced all the tower grounding in just a couple days, so
> maintenance is good.
>
> On 4/6/2022 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Has anyone dealt with these guys? Good, bad, worse?
>
>
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[AFMUG] Vertical Bridge

[Jason McKemie]

Has anyone dealt with these guys? Good, bad, worse?
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Re: [AFMUG] Test: Day 7

[Jason McKemie]

Google is usually pretty good about throwing out what I don't want and
keeping the good, they did fail on this one though.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Second-rate email providers will have those sorts of issues.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 6, 2022 12:54:00 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Test: Day 7
>
> Gmail still complaining it's spam...
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:35 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I guess I will write about once or twice a day. Broken at this end.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Test: Day 7

[Jason McKemie]

I had to make a filter that explicitly put the af emails in my main inbox
instead of spam.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:55 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Gmail still complaining it's spam...
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:35 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I guess I will write about once or twice a day. Broken at this end.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone know this router?

[Jason McKemie]

Interesting, any idea how to find out more about the centrally managed
option? The TP link routers I've used have seemed decent.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022, Nate Burke  wrote:

> A neighboring WISP uses them and really likes them.  I guess there's an
> 'ISP' option you can get from the factory, and centrally manage all the
> customer routers from a dashboard.
>
> On 4/5/2022 5:44 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
>
>
> *From:* Rise Broadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 5, 2022 4:21 PM
> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Subject:* Replace your old router with our newest Wi-Fi Deco M4 router.
> Upgrade to Rise Premium Whole Home Wi-Fi!
>
> CHUCK, Get the family a Mesh Network system today!
> To view this email as a web page, go here.
> 
>
> 
>
>
> We are excited to share our newest and fastest Wi-Fi router is now
> available to all existing Rise Broadband customers! Our newest routers are
> able to accomodate multiple connected devices without the Wi-Fi strains on
> your home network from today's high demand Internet connected devices.
>
> How can you tell if you need to replace your router?  Here are a few
> indications it might be time to upgrade your router:
>
> 1. Are you competing for bandwidth with the other members of your
> household?
> 2. Is the router struggling to support all the connected devices on your
> home network by buffering or not connecting new or existing devices?
> 3. Are your Internet speeds reduced when using Wi-Fi compared to plugging
> directly into the Internet source?
>
> If you have noticed any of these, then it might be time to upgrade your
> Wi-Fi router. According to Cnet experts recommend replacing your router
> every 2-5 years depending on if you use a lot of smart home gadgets or new
> technology like laptops, phones and other primary Wi-Fi devices.1
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

[Jason McKemie]

Another big issue is lobbying. I'm pretty much of the opinion that should
be outlawed, at least in the current form (which is basically bribery).

On Friday, April 1, 2022, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Forgive my History, but isn't that how it 'used' to be?  You went to
> congress for the congressional session, but ran your normal business when
> not in DC?  It wasn't your full time job.  Although that thinking will open
> up a whole hive of 'then only the rich can afford to run the country'
>
> On 4/1/2022 8:36 AM, Robert wrote:
>
>> More like 2 years, but that would be a better system than what we have
>> created...  Maybe you don't have to pay taxes those two years and you get
>> free medical.
>>
>> On 4/1/22 5:30 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe being a representative in Congress should work more like jury
>>> duty. Have a few professional committee politicians and the rest 'regular
>>> people' to get the job done.  Dear Mr Jones, you are hereby summons to
>>> report to Congress for the next 6 months.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 06:32 PM 3/31/2022, you wrote:
>>>
>>> The operative words in that are "Hold onto their Jobs"Â Â  Congress has
 become the golden ticket. Until we figure out some way to start prying
 them out of the seats and make the seats just another job we are pretty
 much screwed and will get more screwed right until it all falls apart. Â
 I probably have around 20 years left.  It's gonna be interesting to see
 what kills me first.

 On 3/31/22 9:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

> Partisan politics sucks.  Both parties have planks in their platform
> that I support.  Both have repugnant policy goals.Â
> One on one I enjoyed my time with members of congress.  But they have
> to play a mean game to hold onto their jobs.Â
> Â
> From: Darin Steffl
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:40 AM
> To: Chuck McCown
> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
> Â
> How brainwashed do they need to be to want the covid IV treatment to
> try and save their lives while denying they have covid? It really makes me
> sad how easily these people can be manipulated.
> Â
> Pretty much all fox "news" hosts are fully vaccinated yet they make
> their viewers question the vaccine. Trump is vaxxed and boosted and he has
> been booed on stage when he said that.
> Â
> I would love to be able to vote for some GOP members but they keep
> proving to me they're so far off the deep end, I don't see how I possibly
> could. I'm all for moderate politicians and so far, Biden has been fairly
> moderate and not pandering too much to the far left. And I wish GOP 
> members
> would stop pandering to the far right beliefs that are killing people with
> covid and causing them to storm the capitol because they think the 
> election
> was stolen. Obviously, it was not. I'm firmly against any politician that
> shows they're anti-lgbtq. It's 2022 so it's time to let people love who
> they love without hating on them.
> Â
> Republicans need to do a better job standing up to the nut jobs in
> their party like trump, Madison cawthorn, Marjorie Taylor Green, and some
> other crazy lady who dropped out of highschool. All they do is spew hate
> and don't actually legislate.
> Â
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> We buried some anti vaxers in our neighborhood.Â
> My daughter in law worked at an infusion clinic where they gave them
> the IV treatment.Â
> Â
> She saw very frightened anti vaxers all day long every day begging for
> treatment.Â
> And some begging for treatment while denying it was covid.Â
> Â
> From: Darin Steffl
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:19 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
> Â
> Anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, covid hoax believers are all ignorant to
> actual data unfortunately. They believe science is fake, rigged, and that
> somehow their favorite far right TV personalities or podcast hosts are
> smarter than Doctors and Scientists.
> Â
> Greenie here and I know more than a few people who have had Covid 2-3
> times and they screamed the last 2 years that they wouldn't get Covid
> because they had natural immunity. How'd that turn out for them?!?! Did
> they admit they were wrong? Of course not because they'd rather dig their
> heels in and be wrong 10x worse than admit fault and do the right thing.
> Â
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
> Utah.Â
> Yeah, you don’t need no stinking vax.Â
> (Orange no vax, blue vax, green boosted)
> Â
> I might even go to a movie for the first time in 2 years. But I am a
> greenie...
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[AFMUG] FS: Ignitenet Fusionswitch Fiber

[Jason McKemie]

New in box Fusionswitch Fiber.
Make an offer.

https://www.ignitenet.com/network-switches/fusionswitch-fiber/
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Re: [AFMUG] Google vs Federated

[Jason McKemie]

Apparently Commscope does as well...

On Thursday, March 31, 2022, Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> This.
>
>
>
> Also my first con was that Google rolls up products all the time when they
> do their yearly audits.  I really don’t want to do this again.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2022 9:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated
>
>
>
> Both are WISPA members.  As a SAS it doesn't really matter if you're GAA
> in my opinion.  Google has worked for me but there's no such thing as
> support for a Google product.  Federated has warm chairs for you to contact.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:03 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> This didn’t age well.   Now we ask again, Google or Federated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2020 8:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated
>
>
>
> interesting point
>
> On 8/20/2020 11:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Commscope is the only choice. I couldn't beta cause our world crashed
> around us, but commscope has a billion direct contacts. Google isnt even
> the table. You'll only deal with your sas admin upfront and during a
> disaster, google has no mechanism for humans. I have no beef with
> federated, but comscope/search are gods of responsiveness on all things
> other and their gis is bigger and older
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 1:53 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Aw man, now I'm gonna have choice overload.
>
> On 8/20/2020 2:51 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> > As of now, you may also choose CommScope!
> >
> > https://www.commscope.com/press-releases/2020/commscope-
> cbrs-spectrum-access-system-supports-cambium-networks-equipment/
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:50 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Google vs Federated
> >
> > If I'm doing CBRS through Cambium I can pick Google or Federated.
> >
> > Who do we like better right now?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Jason McKemie]

I'm interested as well.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that
> can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is
> fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can
> include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses
> and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I
> might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd
> like to see it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>
>> Fiverr or upwork
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>>
>>> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
>>> probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
>>> Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
>>> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
>>> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
>>> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
>>> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
>>> product. its really bad for bowels.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
 companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
 I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
 creative.
 I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
 design and marketing.

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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Jason McKemie]

The AP has a pretty large amount of vertical beamwidth though (~40
degrees), which should make it okay for higher locations.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Siklu says they are native L2 and don't use V6 at all.  I have some on
> order and am working on the network design for a neighborhood right now.
> Important to think about uptilt / downtilt as most of this stuff is
> designed for pole top deployments or a bit higher than that.  They also
> have a multihaul product which is more sector/clients based.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:27 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Vivint tried that and gave up
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 10:36 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, as far as I can see, you pretty much need to have some kind of an
>>> agreement with any customer you put a distribution node on to keep that
>>> gear running. Just sticking distribution nodes on any customer's house
>>> where it makes sense sounds like a great way to build a network, in theory,
>>> but in practice it's going to cause yourself a lot of problems if you don't
>>> have something in place to keep them from cancelling service or randomly
>>> unplugging it when they decide to clean the house or go on vacation and
>>> that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:23 AM Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One thing that I am hearing about the mesh functionality with Siklu and
>>>> CnWave is that it works great. But when one puts gear on a customer premise
>>>> and that becomes a backhaul to other cpe's how do you manage the system
>>>> when the customer at the first "backhaul" decides to quit, power off their
>>>> equipment, or move things cause the gear is on their house? I assume that
>>>> once you tell the customer that they are a backhaul, then do you give them
>>>> free or reduced service in order to keep that gear on? What if they leave
>>>> you and strand 15 other clients behind them? You are screwed and it is a
>>>> fundamentally flawed system in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 8:18 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike was in Phoenix last few weeks...will follow up with him..
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 5:12 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you heard anything on this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying
>>>>>>>> Siklu ptmp for the Tigua Indian Reservation..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their
>>>>>>>>> equipment works well. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless
>>>>>>>>>> at Fort Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti's or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff..
>>>>>>>>>> The Siklus worked great..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network
>>>>>>>>>>> from a multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended 
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Jason McKemie]

Jaime -

Have you heard anything on this?

On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu ptmp
> for the Tigua Indian Reservation..
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their
>> equipment works well. Thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort
>>> Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's
>>> or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff..
>>> The Siklus worked great..
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a
>>>> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in
>>>> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but
>>>> I'm not sure what differentiates them.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[Jason McKemie]

https://mimosa.co/accessories/n5-360

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, David Sovereen via AF  wrote:

> I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
> really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.
>
> I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
> finding any.
>
> Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
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Re: [AFMUG] Did you just call a business?

[Jason McKemie]

No kidding!

On Monday, March 14, 2022, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If I'm going to start worrying about creepy things Google does, this is
> way down the list...
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 2:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> "This doesn't bother you..."
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Also, how they knew it was a business could be done many ways that don't
>> involve snooping my information, including their own business listings
>> across various services including Maps. They could also be using the class
>> of service field in LIDB.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
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>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 11, 2022 8:41:48 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Did you just call a business?
>>
>> Google just searched your phone and made a record that you called a
>> business, a specific business.  The fact that they knew it was a business
>> must imply they know the other phones you called earlier were not
>> businesses.  This doesn't bother you that a private enterprise is keeping
>> records on who you call without a court order?
>>
>> I feel this crosses a line into privacy invasion.  Just because you can
>> do it, doesn't mean you should.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/22 18:24, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> I see it.
>>
>> It seems like a reasonable step to shore up data quality.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
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>> 
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 11, 2022 8:22:41 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Did you just call a business?
>>
>> How many of you get that message after dialing a business on your android?
>>
>> When I see that message I feel violated.  How about you?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: SpaceX PCN

[Jason McKemie]

Yes, every 5 degrees.

On Saturday, March 12, 2022, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Are they evenly spaced?
>
> I don't think I've looked close enough at a pcn to see if elevation (angle
> above horizon) is specified.
>
> Makes me wonder if the PCN is set up with that many beams to coordinate a
> link that could be pointed in any direction.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 2:45 PM Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
>> I just received my first SpaceX PCNs. They have 71 different azimuth
>> numbers listed in a 18ghz PCN, are they paying the FCC fees for each of
>> these? I haven't seen a PCN like this before, I actually didn't know you
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[AFMUG] OT: SpaceX PCN

[Jason McKemie]

I just received my first SpaceX PCNs. They have 71 different azimuth
numbers listed in a 18ghz PCN, are they paying the FCC fees for each of
these? I haven't seen a PCN like this before, I actually didn't know you
could use 18ghz for this application.
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Re: [AFMUG] Did you just call a business?

[Jason McKemie]

There are also roundabout ways of "selling" the data, or at least elements
of it.

On Saturday, March 12, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Never said they could sell the data, just free to use the data.  But that
> applies to all commerce.
>
> *From:* Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2022 12:36 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Did you just call a business?
>
>
> Google is not a telco and therefore should not have any of the privileges
> of a telco.  A telco cannot resell your phone call history.  Your phone
> call history requires a court order to get access to.  I think Google is
> just being Russian: belligerently doing what they damn-well want to until
> congress makes a specific law against such activity.  Tapping phone-lines
> is illegal without a court order, I'm not sure if that law was updated to
> include wireless cell calls.  Anyway, wanting to know if that last call was
> to a business is crossing some serious privacy red-lines that should exist.
> On 3/11/22 22:31, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Umm.  hasn't pretty much every phone company, and particularly cell
> phone companies, been doing this for years?   The private enterprise
> keeping records part that is.
>
> This seems more like an attempt by Google to verify business phone
> numbers, possibly to help improve caller ID and search.   I suspect this is
> more of a situation where they look up the number you just called and if it
> matches a business number they need to verify is correct they prompt you.
>
> In other words, it's croudsourcing data, not building a database to track
> who you've been calling.Not saying they aren't doing the latter as well
> for some percieved business purpose as they very well could be doing that
> as well.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 7:42 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
>> Google just searched your phone and made a record that you called a
>> business, a specific business.  The fact that they knew it was a business
>> must imply they know the other phones you called earlier were not
>> businesses.  This doesn't bother you that a private enterprise is keeping
>> records on who you call without a court order?
>>
>> I feel this crosses a line into privacy invasion.  Just because you can
>> do it, doesn't mean you should.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/22 18:24, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> I see it.
>>
>> It seems like a reasonable step to shore up data quality.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 11, 2022 8:22:41 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Did you just call a business?
>>
>> How many of you get that message after dialing a business on your android?
>>
>> When I see that message I feel violated.  How about you?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Competing with Mediacom / cableco

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks.

I should have specified that this is for fiber deployment. I shouldn't have
any problem competing speed wise, even with standard GPON. I'm somewhat
curious what to expect take-rate wise since I'm not offering bundled TV
service. My other fiber deployments have been a bit more rural with no
other wire-line operators, so I've had close to 100% take rate.

What are you using for XGSPON?

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022,  wrote:

> Are we talking about wireless?  If I was starting fresh with wireless
> today, I’d target “up to” 50mbps and have a 100mbps plan for qualifying
> locations.  I’d have an aggressive QoS plan to mitigate impact of heavy
> usage.  I’d be a stickler about achieving and maintaining high MCS.  To
> make that goal easier I’d say screw NLOS.
>
>
>
> I’ve worked at 2 WISPs.  The first built right on top of cable in a medium
> sized city.   The second was almost entirely rural.
>
>
>
> The one building on top of cable never got more than 2% market share, but
> that wasn’t necessarily bad:
>
>- 2% of a good sized market can still make you plenty of money
>- The people who care about having the most Mbps just bought cable
>anyway, and we ended up with lighter and more casual users: I.e.: the cost
>efficient ones
>- The people who weren’t happy could just get cable and they wouldn’t
>be our problem anymore
>- Time Warner/Spectrum pisses someone off pretty much every day, so
>there was a steady stream of incoming customers greater than the number
>that would quit and get cable
>- There was more churn, but drive time to pick up or install an SM was
>rarely more than 15 minutes, so it wasn’t a big deal
>
>
>
> The one building mostly rural had a captive audience, but that wasn’t
> necessarily perfect:
>
>- People felt stuck with them, if they weren’t happy they would just
>keep complaining about the terrible injustice of the world
>- You have to try to serve both the light and heavy users.  The heavy
>users would never be content.  The light users may suffer from heavy users
>sucking airtime.
>
>
>
> In my mind, the goal is to have customers quietly enjoy their service, pay
> their bills, and not bother me.  You’re a lot more labor efficient in that
> case, and it was way easier to get that if the unhappy ones could leave and
> the ones most concerned about $/mbit never signed up in the first place.
>
>
>
> There’s something like a 15% compound annual growth in data consumption
> per household in the USA and has been since Netflix streaming started
> taking off.  Where that sucks for wireless is there’s no compound annual
> growth in available bandwidth.  You have to plan around congestion and how
> you’ll deal with it, and you’ll have to plan your finances around a short
> upgrade cycle….like 5 years.  I.E.: Plan not just how you’ll pay for
> today’s network, but how you’ll pay for the next network that you’ll need 5
> years from now.  I think that’s the piece that people are missing when they
> think they can still sell internet for $29/month.
>
> OR get into fiber. An XGSPON network has 10Gbps download capacity.  Put 50
> users on an XGSPON port and you won’t have to fret too much about that 15%
> compound growth for a good long while.  You can sell the full speed of the
> ONT’s ethernet port to each customer if you want to (whether that’s 1Gb or
> 2.5Gb) and be confident that it’s truly achievable.  I’m painfully aware of
> the capital required, and if you don’t have it you don’t have it.  In that
> case rethink the whole wireless thing in light of how to cope with high
> demand and a short upgrade cycle.  You won’t get away with selling 5Mb
> plans against cable.  If I couldn’t see a path to victory I’d say exploit
> the tail while thinking about a different business to get into.  There are
> definitely easier businesses to get into.  :shrug:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2022 7:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Competing with Mediacom / cableco
>
>
>
> I'm looking at moving into some areas that Mediacom has started serving in
> the past couple of years. For any of you that are already doing this, what
> kind of packages are you having luck with?  What is your typical take rate?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
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[AFMUG] Competing with Mediacom / cableco

[Jason McKemie]

I'm looking at moving into some areas that Mediacom has started serving in
the past couple of years. For any of you that are already doing this, what
kind of packages are you having luck with?  What is your typical take rate?

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[AFMUG] Utility Pole Rating

[Jason McKemie]

So, as far as I can tell l, utility poles are rated by their moment
capacity vs. wind loading. Am I interpreting this correctly? If so, is
there a way to get an approximate wind loading number from the moment
capacity?
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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Jason McKemie]

Does Terragraph not natively support L2 bridging?

On Friday, February 11, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as
> distribution points for other clients.
>
> Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a
>> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in
>> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but
>> I'm not sure what differentiates them.
>>
>> Thank you.
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Re: [AFMUG] Conflict

[Jason McKemie]

*If I were your boss.

On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't take this job.
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP
>> between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has
>> fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP.
>>
>> I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in
>> our territory. What's everyone's take on this?
>>
>> sent from my android phone
>>
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