Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Colin - Gimme a few to look into this for you... not sure we can do anything, 
but let's take this offline. (Paul(?) From Believe Wireless is right... the 
supplier won't let you buy direct for exactly that reason).

If you would, please send me an email directly: m...@cambiumnetworks.com.

Thanks,
Matt



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From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier 
(e501s bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )

The mold is owned by Cambium, not the supplier. It's not like this is a 
generic, off the shelf piece. It's also possible that multiple parts of the 
design are made in a single mold.
Getting the mold made is the most
expensive part of the process. After that, each part is probably <$0.50. If I 
was Cambium, I'd be super pissed if they allowed someone else to use my mold. 
Each mold only has so many uses before it has to be replaced. In a steel mold, 
that is a lot of pieces, but still, you'd be costing Cambium money.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 12:11 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have 3D printed parts for aircraft wings.  Totally depends on the filament 
> and settings of the printer.
>
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:34 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier 
> (e501s bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )
>
> As these need to hold up $500 APs and survive year-round outdoors, I wouldn't 
> trust 3d-printed plastics.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:19 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 3d printing?
>>
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:12 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s 
>> bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )
>>
>> Hi AFMUG, a rare request here.
>>
>> I'm looking to purchase a large number of Cambium's e501s brackets, which 
>> they don't sell individually (reasonable enough due to low demand).
>>
>> A while ago on one of our packages from (passed through) Cambium, I noticed 
>> the name of a Chinese supplier that I didn't recognize. I visited their 
>> website and they seemed to be Cambium's plastics supplier. But I didn't 
>> consider that information worth saving. Has anyone noticed that name so that 
>> I can attempt to buy a number of brackets directly, if they are allowed to 
>> sell them?
>>
>> Reasoning: I'm trying to put together a "super-fast event Wi-Fi 
>> re-deployment" design. Basically, at the many locations where we offer Wi-Fi 
>> once or twice a year, we'd have existing e501S slide-on mounts, also 
>> terminated RJ45 ends with the cable glands in a tough plastic bag ziptied to 
>> the tower. All events would have the routers/PoE switches left onside with a 
>> standardized IP/VLAN/etc setup. The idea is that we can tell the techs "grab 
>> 15 event APs", which don't need to be programmed by the office as they have 
>> a standard config, and after climb the techs spend <1min per AP to slide on 
>> and plug in. So with these and other optimizations, an event of e.g. 5 sites 
>> x 3 APs per site can be fully re-deployed in 1-2hours, instead of the 1-2 
>> days that we normally spend organizing, programming, attaching mounts, 
>> cabling, etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Cambium Timing

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Yes, all 450 gear uses the same software and requires no special consideration 
with regards to timing…

Considerations (as always) are: Frame Period (2.5ms or 5ms), Contention Slots 
(though this can now be set to ‘auto’), Duty Cycle (UL/DL Ratio) and Max Range

You can refer to the Configuration Guide 
(https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ ) for additional 
information, a good section at page 250, and a section on the Frame Calculator 
at page 389.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Cambium Timing

We still have our cambium network timed as if it were collocated with legacy 
100 gear but the 100 gear is long gone so I'm looking to re-time everything.

Not finding colocation info about 450M, 450, 450i.  Is timing all the same on 
them?  Seems to be but I haven't done this in over a decade.



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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

You got it right.

The UGPS was part number 1096K.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Thanks for the reply.  Maybe I'm confused on the part then.  I though that UGPS 
and cnPulse were the same.  Is there a UGPS that is different than cnpulse?

I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse.  I have tested it with a 
450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine.  I just wanted to make 
sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.  
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to cnPulse 
Aux to make that work?

Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this: 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft%2Fcable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp
> s%2F44663data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
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> vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3Dreserved=0
>
> If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
> straight through Ethernet cable...
>
> There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base 
> here: 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fc%2Fknowledge-base%2Fcnpulse%2F19data
> =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
> f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C63752031494
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> byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3Dreserved=0
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
> answer.  To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight 
> through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
>
> I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
> but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing 
> cable is a straight or crossed cable.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugps/44663

If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
straight through Ethernet cable...

There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base here: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19

Thanks,
Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable

I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact answer. 
 To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight through 
RJ45 to RJ45 cable?

I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing cable 
is a straight or crossed cable.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

It's a bit of a throwback in the way it was coded.

In the original 3 GHz radios, we had two separate hardware versions.  We called 
one 3.6 (which covered 3.55-3.8 GHz), and the other band was 3.5 (which covered 
3.3-3.6).

Now, the clever engineers have designed a single hardware (and antenna system) 
that spans both.. from 3.3 to 3.9 GHz.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

Maybe the C band users?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:52 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And 3.6 is also for the old NN apparently.  So what is 3.5 for?
On 3/11/2021 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's...the way it is.  3.6 is for CBRS.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:34 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer
software version 20.x on it.

If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to
3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear.  If I
switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.

Is this new, or did I just not notice before?  It seems backwards.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Looking for feedback on the Airspan LTE in 3ghz

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Any reason you wouldn't choose to consider Cambium's 3 GHz solutions? 450 is 
having phenomenal success in CBRS, and the cnRanger (LTE) solutions are right 
around the corner.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 12:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Looking for feedback on the Airspan LTE in 3ghz

I was off the list for a few months so I apologize if this was discussed 
recently and I missed it.
Looking for feedback from WISPs using the Airspan LTE in 3ghz ideally from 
WISPs that were / are 900mhz and 2.4ghz in tree covered environments. We  
evolved out of FSK 900 into 2.4 ePMP and 450i 900mhz and have grown 
substantially and can continue to grow using these platforms but are looking 
for something we can deploy 25/3 on and use for additional growth where we have 
exhausted the available spectrum in the other frequencies.  I would also be 
interested in hearing how you handle tech support calls on the LTE. We have in 
house support and CnMaestro has been a good solution for first level to check 
basic connectivity and signal levels before digging in deeper to the issues. I 
suspect the LTE interface won't be quite as easy and will have a learning curve.
Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Do keep in mind, however, that if the limitation really is PPS, then increasing 
channel size will not lift the total capacity (i.e. the PPS will still limit 
the total throughput).

I would be interested to know the results if you try this.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

Maybe my feeble brain was remembering 20k PPS as 20 Mbps.  Like you say, those 
numbers make sense.  And it tells me a quick fix worth trying is to just crank 
the existing 450 AP up to a 30 MHz channel and gain up to 50%.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?


20k PPS * 353Byte average iMix packets = 56,480,000 bits.  That jives.


On 10/23/2020 9:32 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
The original 450 AP and SM were roughly the same PPS, and had similar limits... 
the AP having more FPGA gates, it has some additional resources to handle more 
things.  In practice, in a typical network with mixed packet sizes, this ends 
up around 55-60 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel (PPS did improve over time going from 
13k when they were first released, to ~20k these days... but we reached the 
limit of what those chips could do).

The good news is that 450i, 450b and the new MicroPoP radios are all built 
using a next generation FPGA (SoC), which has embedded ARM processors, and with 
Release 20, we've unlocked some serious gains in PPS on these bad boys... 
effectively increasing PPS by 250% or more (from ~40k to >100k). If it's a 
budget-constrained site, I might suggest a MicroPoP as an upgrade, depending on 
how many SMs you need to serve (and how far away they are).

Standards-based chipsets have a distinct advantage in this area because the 
MAC/PHY is baked into the ASIC chip and does what it does very well... but 
limits the flexibility on what can be done. With our current approach, nearly 
anything is possible given time and resources, because everything down to Layer 
1 is coded into that FPGA... but it adds a bit of cost.

Matt

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

Not talking about sustained speed keys (finally gone in the 450b) but the point 
at which you haven't maxed out the RF capability but the CPU horsepower becomes 
the limiting factor and you can't get any more pps through it.  I think the SMs 
also have this issue, but less likely to be a problem unless using them in PTP 
mode or having a small number of very high bandwidth customers.

Or maybe you are saying the APs never had the CPU limitation like the SMs, but 
I'm pretty sure they did.  Each generation 450, 450i, 450m having a more 
powerful CPU.  Although not as powerful as we might think from the price, I 
guess maybe the result of using a processor core in an FPGA, it seems like 
lowly WiFi chips have more CPU power.  I think most of us were surprised to 
find the limitation could be CPU not RF.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 6:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?


I thought the limitation was on what a single SM did.

.maybe mistaken.


On 10/23/2020 12:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Does anyone know off the top of your head what the current CPU limited max 
throughput is for 450 vs 450i APs?  Not based on RF characteristics but packet 
processing in the CPU.

I keep thinking at one time 450 APs were only capable of maybe 20 Mbps but that 
can't be right because I have some doing over 40.  I think Cambium said that 
firmware tweaking kept raising that number.

I'm asking because I have one lone site with a 450 and an omni, and maybe a 
dozen subs scattered through the entire 360 degrees.  So while I am going to 
need more throughput, it just doesn't justify 4 sectors, and the cables are in 
conduit and I think we only ran 4 cables and we have 2 backhauls.  And it 
occurs to me what I need isn't sectors, it's to increase the channel width to 
30 MHz (450) or 40 MHz (450i).  But will a 30 MHz channel really help if the 
450 AP is pps limited by the CPU?  I'm OK with replacing the 450 with a 450i if 
necessary.  Most sites we have at least 4 sectors, so mostly 20 MHz channels.  
But an omni with a 40 MHz channel would use the same amount of spectrum as 4 
sectors and 20 MHz channels.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

An alternative for your situation could be the 450i LITE, which comes with 
either an integrated 90 degree sector or as a connectorized unit (for which you 
could re-use the antenna).

This product costs more than the MicroPoP, not as nicely integrated, but does 
not have the range limitation (but still does have the 20 SM limit).

Regarding your comments on lightning, certainly this is a concern, and best 
practice would be to ensure that the MicroPoP is not the tallest thing on the 
mast/mount. We recommend a lightning rod at the top to draw/ground the pole, 
and direct energy away from the radio. The thin rod does not cause too much 
ripple in the antenna pattern, and will not impact the performance very much 
(in any measurable way).

Here is a recommendation on the lightning rod:
A locally sourced steel lightning rod needs to be min. 4 feet long, maximum 5/8 
inches thick and secured with two separate hose clamps and should be at least 
0.5m higher than the top of the omni, with 3 feet (1m) over the top as a 
maximum. Either type of lightning rod can be used, the single blunt tip version 
or having a dissipator on top (the dissipator concept has many smaller rods 
clustered together so they have many weak streamers instead of one large 
streamer which would attract a lighting hit better).  An example is from the 
LBA Group (DAT-160SS), 5 feet long, 5/8" O.D., but there may be better sources 
for this type of equipment. It is mandatory to have the mast grounded, if this 
is not possible a 6 -8 AWG Cu ground wire needs to attach to the lightning rod 
base and run down to the ground (PE) bonding point.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 10:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

So Matt, that's an interesting suggestion.  I see some pros and cons compared 
to just swapping out the existing 450 AP for a 450i.

We would still need the unlock key because micropops or omni sites are 3 miles 
for us, and this site has a customer at 2.5 miles and another at 2.2.  It would 
be the 2 mile limit not the number of subs driving us to need the unlock key.  
Once you add the unlock key, the advantages of the micropop product are 
features and packaging, not price.

Omnis in general suck.  I think we have one of the KPP or L-Com 13 dBi omnis 
there.  Probably the gain varies from 9-13 dBi depending on azimuth.  With the 
450 micropop spec of 9 dBi, we're probably talking 5-9 dBi.  Most WISPs are 
shrinking cell size to around 3 miles, but the idea is to have every link at 6X 
or 8X, so giving up antenna gain may not be acceptable.

I have one other site with an omni, but that's a 450 CBRS site with an Alpha 
omni which performs very well, it's an exception to my rule that dual pol omnis 
suck.  Also this site has added a bunch of customers in a subdivision in 
addition to a scattering of customers throughout 360 degrees, so we added a 
sector and kept the omni, so that has worked well.  In other sparsely populated 
areas, the customers refuse to all live within one 90 degree sector, the are 
stubbornly all over the place.

Another reason omnis suck is they tend to get hit by lightning.  We've had 
pretty good luck with inline coaxial surge protectors, the antenna gets blown 
to smithereens, or the top gets blown off and it fills with rain, but we 
replace it and the AP is still good.  With an integrated product like the 
micropop, we have to buy a whole new AP.  Worse, if we bought an unlock key, 
the key goes in the dumpster along with the AP.

The built-in GPS is nice, assuming this time it really works.  At this site it 
would potentially free up a cable, but we could put a Syncbox or cnPuls at the 
450i to accomplish the same thing.

The main decisions would seem to revolve around potentially losing 4 dB of 
antenna gain, and needing the unlock key for the 2-3 mile subs.  It would 
certainly be a cleaner, more integrated package to install.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

The original 450 AP and SM were roughly the same PPS, and had similar limits... 
the AP having more FPGA gates, it has some additional resources to handle more 
things.  In practice, in a typical network with mixed packet sizes, this ends 
up around 55-60 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel (PPS did improve over time going from 
13k when they were first released, to ~20k these days... but we reached the 
limit of what those chips could do).

The good news is that 450i, 450b and the new MicroPoP radios are all built 
using a next generation FPGA (SoC), which has embedded ARM processors, and with 
Release 20, we've unlo

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

The original 450 AP and SM were roughly the same PPS, and had similar limits... 
the AP having more FPGA gates, it has some additional resources to handle more 
things.  In practice, in a typical network with mixed packet sizes, this ends 
up around 55-60 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel (PPS did improve over time going from 
13k when they were first released, to ~20k these days... but we reached the 
limit of what those chips could do).

The good news is that 450i, 450b and the new MicroPoP radios are all built 
using a next generation FPGA (SoC), which has embedded ARM processors, and with 
Release 20, we've unlocked some serious gains in PPS on these bad boys... 
effectively increasing PPS by 250% or more (from ~40k to >100k). If it's a 
budget-constrained site, I might suggest a MicroPoP as an upgrade, depending on 
how many SMs you need to serve (and how far away they are).

Standards-based chipsets have a distinct advantage in this area because the 
MAC/PHY is baked into the ASIC chip and does what it does very well... but 
limits the flexibility on what can be done. With our current approach, nearly 
anything is possible given time and resources, because everything down to Layer 
1 is coded into that FPGA... but it adds a bit of cost.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?

Not talking about sustained speed keys (finally gone in the 450b) but the point 
at which you haven't maxed out the RF capability but the CPU horsepower becomes 
the limiting factor and you can't get any more pps through it.  I think the SMs 
also have this issue, but less likely to be a problem unless using them in PTP 
mode or having a small number of very high bandwidth customers.

Or maybe you are saying the APs never had the CPU limitation like the SMs, but 
I'm pretty sure they did.  Each generation 450, 450i, 450m having a more 
powerful CPU.  Although not as powerful as we might think from the price, I 
guess maybe the result of using a processor core in an FPGA, it seems like 
lowly WiFi chips have more CPU power.  I think most of us were surprised to 
find the limitation could be CPU not RF.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 6:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 450i AP CPU limit on throughput?


I thought the limitation was on what a single SM did.

.maybe mistaken.


On 10/23/2020 12:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Does anyone know off the top of your head what the current CPU limited max 
throughput is for 450 vs 450i APs?  Not based on RF characteristics but packet 
processing in the CPU.

I keep thinking at one time 450 APs were only capable of maybe 20 Mbps but that 
can't be right because I have some doing over 40.  I think Cambium said that 
firmware tweaking kept raising that number.

I'm asking because I have one lone site with a 450 and an omni, and maybe a 
dozen subs scattered through the entire 360 degrees.  So while I am going to 
need more throughput, it just doesn't justify 4 sectors, and the cables are in 
conduit and I think we only ran 4 cables and we have 2 backhauls.  And it 
occurs to me what I need isn't sectors, it's to increase the channel width to 
30 MHz (450) or 40 MHz (450i).  But will a 30 MHz channel really help if the 
450 AP is pps limited by the CPU?  I'm OK with replacing the 450 with a 450i if 
necessary.  Most sites we have at least 4 sectors, so mostly 20 MHz channels.  
But an omni with a 40 MHz channel would use the same amount of spectrum as 4 
sectors and 20 MHz channels.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Best-Tronics still sells them: 
https://btpa.com/Cambium-Products/OEM-Replacement-Parts/BT-0674.html

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone jack?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 3GHz CBRS PALs

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

With most GWPZ’s expiring *THIS SATURDAY* there should be more GAA (General 
Authorized Access) spectrum available starting very soon for a lot of folks.

In theory, if you are not in a DPA, then there should continue to be at least 
80 MHz starting next week as compared to only 50 MHz under Part 90 rules (and 
150 MHz until the PALs are actually implemented).

To see what happened in your specific county, you can refer to the FCC Auction 
information here: 
https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105/reports/results

Click on the “Search” button at the top and search your county.

And see who won the PALs in your area. The 7 PALs in the counties in which you 
operate will be issued among the lower 100 MHz (3550-3650), leaving at least 30 
MHz within that 100 MHz in addition to the upper 50 MHz (3650-3700 MHz) free 
for GAA use.

Matt


From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Nielsen
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz CBRS PALs

SAS administrators offer encumbrance and incumbent analyses that should offer 
the info you're looking for. Something to consider is that PALs aren't the only 
incumbent you should be factoring into your CBRS plans. There are also FSS 
operators, GWPZs in the upper 50MHz and if you fall in an inland DPA you could 
be on the movelist.

Again, all of this would be answered in the aforementioned analyses offered by 
SAS providers - Amdocs, CommScope, Federated Wireless, Google, etc.

I work for CommScope - feel free to give me a shout if you have questions.

-Eric
571-508-7409

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:01 PM Jeremy Grip 
mailto:g...@nbnworks.net>> wrote:
Is there any way to find out how many PALs there are at a given location, 
without actually putting a radio in the air (and does the radio interface 
actually tell you that)?

Hard to know if it makes sense to jump in without a PAL or two.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision.

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

I should really put it on eBay or something.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft%2Fpmp450i-sm-alignment-tones%2F54898=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7bf06b2dabba4e62576b08d84abb44ea%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C1%7C637341515507837732=hWLd2jywJmoe4OtzpMWHsFupqHwciHIFsmWA%2BX8GTAI%3D=0>

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

As of now, you may also choose CommScope!

https://www.commscope.com/press-releases/2020/commscope-cbrs-spectrum-access-system-supports-cambium-networks-equipment/

Cheers!

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Google vs Federated

If I'm doing CBRS through Cambium I can pick Google or Federated.

Who do we like better right now?



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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] global radome shortage

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Ken - My suspicion is that it's our distributors that failed to keep proper 
inventory levels. We are showing plenty of these in our distribution center in 
Shanghai (where most of the ePMP product is stocked). Please advise your 
distributors to keep more inventory of these parts, so they will have them on 
hand when you need them.

I will do the same from my end...

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] global radome shortage

Anybody know why there seem to be no Cambium N000900L021A Radomes?  The ones 
that go on ePMP and 450b dishes?

Is it because of overwhelming demand?  Or was I the only one buying them?  Or a 
shortage of a critical component?  (it's just plastic, right?)

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

I got Kurt… he should be sorted.

(We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed and 
have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with CBRS in 
light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the guy 
sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress and send 
him a nice email asking for help.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it 
gives me an error says "already synced"

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you have 3 
days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, have a 
ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
devices?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Don’t want to speak for Eric, but I think he means that so far, he is still 
operating under Part 90 rules, so the EIRP is limited.

Once he swaps over to operating under Part 96 (CBRS), he’ll be able to enjoy 
the higher EIRP limits that these rules allow.

Yes, the 3 GHz 450m is capable of operation under either rule part (the old 
3.65 Part 90, or the Part 96 CBRS).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 9:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

450m is most certainly on CBRS.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:04 AM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
hmm. These AP's are not on CBRS yet. So TX power is limited. I wonder if we'll 
start to see issues once the AP's are cranked up.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:39 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's because of the 100W+ draw.

Look at the voltage drop on 18ga over hundreds of feet with the wattage drawn 
by the 450m.

On a shortish cable you're probably ok with the 2x 18gauge.  Look at a 300' or 
400' cable and compare what 2x 18 gauge does vs 4x 16 gauge.   At some point 
you're only delivering 30ish volts.


On 6/26/2020 9:30 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Is there a particular reason why 4 conductors is necessary? We've been only 
using 2. Pin 1 is positive, Pin 3 is negative. Been working great for months. 
We use outdoor rated 18 gauge power wire that we use on our ONT's.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:35 PM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes - and some non-standard connector.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Wait the 450m 3 GHz needs four conductors?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:15 PM Matt Hopkins 
mailto:mhopk...@onlinenw.com>> wrote:
On the 5GHz 450M you can use one cable for power, sync, and data if you so 
choose.
On the 3GHz 450M you have to use at least 2 cables. One will probably be cat5 
for sync and data. Power must have it's own 4 conductor cable. In the 
RackInjector, you would be providing power over the sync port as well as the 
power cable but the 450M will ignore the power input from the Cat5. The pic 
below shows the end result. This is live from one of our towers. Note the 
current on all the ports is minimal.

[cid:image002.png@01D64BA2.DC5743E0]



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are passive 
poe

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table 
matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers and 
power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help on his 
documentation.

Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320

To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for Cambium 
Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave power enabled 
on the card/ports or sync will not work.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The 
syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as 
bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over power)

so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just turn 
off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding this and the 
450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?

forrest?


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Sorry I didn’t see this earlier Steve… this second link is the one I would have 
pointed you too.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

double ha
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Getting-Started/Installing-DC-LPU-and-Grounding-Kit-for-3-GHz-PMP-450m-Cambium/m-p/96487

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:49 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
ha
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/7434/1/3%20GHz%20450m%20power%20cam-10189_000v001.pdf

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
its a 4 pin connector, but im having a time finding the pinout, the power 
supply is only 2 terminals

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:30 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Wait the 450m 3 GHz needs four conductors?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:15 PM Matt Hopkins 
mailto:mhopk...@onlinenw.com>> wrote:
On the 5GHz 450M you can use one cable for power, sync, and data if you so 
choose.
On the 3GHz 450M you have to use at least 2 cables. One will probably be cat5 
for sync and data. Power must have it's own 4 conductor cable. In the 
RackInjector, you would be providing power over the sync port as well as the 
power cable but the 450M will ignore the power input from the Cat5. The pic 
below shows the end result. This is live from one of our towers. Note the 
current on all the ports is minimal.

[cid:image002.png@01D64B24.93FBB1E0]



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are passive 
poe

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table 
matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers and 
power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help on his 
documentation.

Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320

To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for Cambium 
Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave power enabled 
on the card/ports or sync will not work.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The 
syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as 
bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over power)

so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just turn 
off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding this and the 
450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?

forrest?


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Just wanted to clarify a couple things here (sorry, I am so late in getting to 
this)…

The 900 MHz 450 product is kind of a hybrid between 450 and 450i.

The AP is 450i hardware (using 48 VDC input, same housing, etc.).

The SM is 450 hardware (having a “candy bar” form factor, 30 VDC input, 
timing/default port RJ-11 6-pin).

The typical PTP version is created using 2 of the SMs. (Part number 
C009045B001A).

There is a PTP variant that can be purchased that uses the 450i hardware, but 
it is much more expensive and not typically deployed.

Hope this clarifies things a bit.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

Yeah, the problem with 900mhz PTP is that unlike 2.4ghz or 5ghz, you can't run 
any higher power in ptp mode than you can in ptmp, so 2.4ghz often does work 
better... but there are some cases where 900mhz PTP does make sense.

If it's PTP, you definitely don't want the AUX port version, since there's no 
aux port on those radios, just a standard timing port.

I believe the 900mhz 450i SM/PTP is actually based on the original 450 SM 
hardware (not the 450i... it runs on 24v, for example, which I don't think any 
other 450i radio does), so my guess is that the changes Forrest is talking 
about don't apply, and it would work fine with the syncpipes you have, but I'm 
just guessing.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:52 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
What they did in the 'i' hardware was change the drive strength require.  I'm 
not sure if that applies to the SM hardware or not, or the 900Mhz.

The safest item would be the 'syncbox junior deluxe' which has a port you can 
power it with and then 6p6c ports to hook into the timing port on the radio.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:46 AM 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
It is actually the PTP 450i that I’m talking about. I probably wouldn’t use it 
again because it seems once you have enough power to use 900 MHz in PTP, then 
you have plenty of power to use 2.4 GHz in PTP.

I was going to get the Syncbox Junior Aux Port, but there is no “uGPS power” 
option in the firmware, so I’m not sure the radio can power it.

I only have one of these, it is 1 hour away and already running. Otherwise, I 
would just test it with what I have here.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 5:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

Yes, with the caveat that they changed some stuff in the 450i *AP* hardware 
which makes it incompatible with pipes before revision I0.

If it works and gets sync, it's good to go.  If it doesn't, then you'll just 
need to find a syncpipe or syncbox I0 or later.   (That's the letter I, it's 
kinda nice how that ended up landing = I0 = 450i.  Would have been better if 
they hadn't mangled the sync port to need a different circuit, but that's the 
way it goes).



On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:20 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The 900mhz PTP is definitely SM hardware.
Apparently I was wrong about them supporting sync over power... looks like you 
would indeed need a timing port device. But in that case, any old sync pipe 
should work, shouldn't it?

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Sub-6-GHz/PTP450-900-BHM-Sync-Options/td-p/74379

I suspect we are actually talking about a PMP AP though, so we'd need to 
clarify that

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:53 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
I see that everyone else is as confused as I am about some of these PTP Radios.

I'm about 100% certain that the 900Mhz PTP is be the AP hardware, in which case 
it should support any timing method you throw at it:  Canopy sync, cambium 
sync, or aux port sync.

For a single radio,the Syncbox Aux Port is probably the least expensive option, 
although I personally would throw the combination of a syncbox basic, 
sitemonitor base 3, and powerinjector+canopy sync at it as that will allow you 
to power and control any other radios at the site and gain temperature and 
telemetry for the site.

On the syncbox only option, The Syncbox Aux Port get's its power from the 
radio, just turn on uGPS power in the AP, and run a cat5 from the aux port to 
this unit.

If this isn't based on the AP hardware, then we need to go to plan B, which 
will probably be a timing port device, but I'll need to research more.

On 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

I am happy for you guys!!

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...

From Network Operations:


"We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only feeding 
one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few weeks. Thank you 
everyone for your help in pushing this along to make our customer's internet 
experience the best it can be.”


Farewell old friends…


Mark




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[AFMUG] Cambium Networks Animal Farm Session

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

In case you missed it this morning, we've posted the recording of the webinar, 
the slides we presented, and the Q in our forums.

Feel free to visit, watch, download and ask additional questions...

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP/Cambium-Networks-Animal-Farm-Session/m-p/115985#M275

And for those that were able to attend our virtual Animal Farm... thank you!!

Matt Mangriotis
Director of Product Management
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

You can still do this… probably via the “question box” and not your voice, but 
I am planning to keep the webinar going tomorrow to answer everything we can. 
There are a large number of us (engineering included) attending that can get 
real-time answers to your questions.

We will also be sending out a “one on one” or private appointment sign up if 
you need to talk with us about something specific (that you may not want to do 
in front of an audience)… like a virtual booth where you can stop by and 
discuss something.  Be on the lookout for this sign-up on our website.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
Cambium).

Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where they 
ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that something else?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants...
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-----Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark...
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fwispamerica2020%2F=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C41125cb0668e45ddceec08d7ca99111e%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637200631078469487=yfYbqCEZEntkhsNPbxLkHwZeMDMlUgWjsTtgDCfwh4k%3D=0>

Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> --
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants...
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark...
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fwispamerica2020%2F=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Caaa905dc6c194564888108d7ca93da8f%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637200608703498417=9aMmbQ7Sq017MKN782OJWF7xYovLBFDOC665hqZwxZo%3D=0>

Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> --
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... you 
used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and post 
it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

Thanks!
Matt

 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> central which is 7am my time.  
> 
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been on 
> the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450m 365 sync

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Shayne - There's a discussion on this topic here: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/450M-3Ghz-Power-options-sync-options/td-p/98000

Summary: CMM5 (for timing only, as the radio is DC-powered) or cnPulse 
(connecting the AUX port).

The PacketFlux devices are also being used (as they support "CambiumSync" as 
well).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did design the 3 
GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a transition to LTE 
(specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is for this device to be a 
fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right though, you’ll need new 
CPE devices and a BBU for each sector.

We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right now, we’re 
focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain Cat 6 CPE devices 
out in August!

With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on par with 
some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding range and the 
ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased power limits of 
CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in comparing equipment cost and 
performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform outperforms anything out 
there. That is, it’s less expensive to get bandwidth where it needs to be (at a 
higher rate, and to more customers). If the customer density can support the 
cost of cnMedusa, you’re going to be better off from total cost of ownership 
(both CapEx and OpEx) perspective.

The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish integrated 
antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment (most of the high 
gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm Tx, plus 15 dBi 
antenna).

There are several customers out there that have done these comparisons… 
hopefully, they can chime in.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has already 
done that.  There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software defined so 
maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their cnRanger LTE BaseBand 
Unit (BBU).  It has been pretty quiet since then, but I haven’t been able to 
make it to the shows.

Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at Cambium, or some 
kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath.  Back in 2018 it was in the 
realm of “it would be nice”.  That’s pretty tentative.  Plus you’d still have 
to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a huge savings anyway, 
still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade.  I mean, if it turned out that the 3 GHz 
cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably be the best case, but 
how likely do you think that is?

This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a decision 
you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium regional sales 
manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager.  If you’re going to 
WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable?

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with a 
fiber run and a software update

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.


On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if the 
SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require 
a completely different SM.

David

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com>> 
wrote:
Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450m in 3.5Ghz max STA performance

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Using 450i or 450b on the SM (client) side, a real world aggregate speed test 
can be as high as 250 Mbps. If you have cnMeudsa (450m AP) for the sector, you 
can achieve >750 Mbps (theoretically up to 1 Gbps, but I would be lying to tell 
you I have ever seen this kind of efficiency in the real world) sector capacity 
due to the Multi-User MIMO capabilities (i.e. simultaneous transmissions to up 
to 4 clients in the same time slot).

Running under Part 90 or Part 96 does not affect the system performance 
(provided the channel size is the same, of course).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 6:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450m in 3.5Ghz max STA performance

What is the real world expected station performance in a TCP speedtest running 
a 40Mhz channel with a 450m running the CBRS software?

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CBRS SAS options from Cambium

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

This will be a good place to get a lot of questions answered, I think.

I will be on there (that’s my ugly mug in the bottom right). So will Rick 
Harnish (Baicells), and Richard Bernhardt from WISPA (who knows just about 
everything CBRS rules-wise). Rounding out the panel is Elizabeth Bowles 
(Aristotle), Matt Guzzo (Hudson Valley Wireless) and Rob Katcher (Google).

If any of you guys listen to the webinar and have further questions (or 
Cambium-specific questions), you can always reach me via email…

matt @ cambiumnetworks  com

Matt


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

the online will probably be good, but nothing beats the direct Q with ones 
that know. they are in on the upcoming Alpha Wireless webinar  
https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_aOHF6vjDT8mEiCTd-U6jHA
 I dont know how cambium centric it is going to be or who from cambium will be 
there. But theyre about the only ones in the industry with the inside track to 
definitively answer questions as definitively as you can about something in flux

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
They posted an online course, I need to go check if it's the same thing.  
Trying to do about 10 CBRS related things in parallel here.

I doubt the online course has sandwiches though.  BYOS.


 Original Message 
From: "Steve Jones" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 1/30/2020 3:46:08 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
tell cambium matt to do another CBRS session

get pitchforks and torches and go to his office

Im telling you guys, its good stuff

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
yes.  As long as the SM can hear (and is set to listen to the frequency, 
bandwidth, and color code) it will work.

Mark
On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you can 
just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN 
licensed operation.

The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color codes, 
etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it comes up 
in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in 3650-3700 and with 
appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to toggle the AP in/out 
of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears to be something we have 
only seen a few times so far when transitioning in/out of CBRS modes.

Mark
On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the sync 
status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn on 
‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’  still 
working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.

Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.

Mark
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville 
Rd
Luckey, OH 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

The license expiration date is tied to your specific license. Most of them 
(~85% of the total) do expire on April 17, 2020.

You can check the expiration date of your license in the FCC ULS database, by 
searching here: 
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchAdvanced.jsp;JSESSIONID_ULSSEARCH=7TskpvSZrnQQ5yLpHK44dpt82Wh1Ps8z2R1fpnpqpy0s5542ypb1!-1408480664!NONE

(It's easiest to search if you choose "NN - 3650-3700 MHz" from the drop down, 
and/or know your Call Sign).

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 10:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

Yes, that is our understanding.

David Coudron
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 10:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

On 1/27/20 7:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> yep, and a self fulfilling failure on the part of the FCC.    The FCC 
> looked at the registered CPE and decided that WISP’s were not using 
> the band without ever considering how badly they fubared the entire 
> registration process.
> 
> You WISP’s don’t need an extension, you didn’t use the band.   Uh, yeah.
> 


Is the NN shutdown date still April 17, 2020?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Canopy POE Conversion

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

PMP 450i requires 40-59 VDC input, and is not compatible with the “Canopy” 
style 29 VDC power supplies.

This will not work.

As stated before, it’s best to swap power supplies to the recommended version. 
A standard 802.3at supply will also work. (“at” though, not “af”, as this 
device can consume up to ~19W).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE Conversion

It will probably run at 24v

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 8:42 AM Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of an outdoor device to take a Canopy 24 volt POE
source and convert it too Canopy 48 volt POE?

I have a PMP450 I want to swap for a PMP450i without swapping POE
power source in a pinch.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

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From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:05:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
Yesgive us all the goddamn gain.  There must be a vocal market segment that 
wants small, cute antennas.  But, If you want the 32+ SNR for 256QAM then you 
need gain.  Gain beets cuteness for anybody who's done the math.

On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Matt,

The original form factor product would be fantastic.   It would be even better 
if you make it so the internal unit antenna is specifically designed to 
properly illuminate a reflector dish.

The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always something of a 
kludge that worked but was not optimal.   I don’t see any point in designing 
the unit with a patch antenna intended for short range use as there are 
other/better products in the lineup to serve that purpose.Having a unit 
that is optimized for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we have 
in the field would be great.

Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport horn adapter 
would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.

If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has taught us over 
the years is that you can’t have too much gain and directionality in your 
client antennas.   it’s really the secret to why fixed wireless in unlicensed 
works so well.   The 450b high gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing.   
Having the option to cleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome.

Mark


On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Also, to set the record a straight(er)…

The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed have 
RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).

The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As Jeff 
mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have a 
release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power, the 
wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already out 
there, and be reasonably priced.

This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs that are 
deployed already with those reflector dishes.

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a 900mhz 
SM, looked more like a RocketM5

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like?  SMA connectors on top 
like the 900 MHz SM?  N pigtails out bottom like the old one?  Twistport 
adapter?

I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice enough 
to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails dressed just 
perfect.  Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal from a drip 
loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe 
in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or custom length 
coax jumpers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Also, to set the record a straight(er)…

The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed have 
RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).

The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As Jeff 
mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have a 
release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power, the 
wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already out 
there, and be reasonably priced.

This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs that are 
deployed already with those reflector dishes.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a 900mhz 
SM, looked more like a RocketM5

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like?  SMA connectors on top 
like the 900 MHz SM?  N pigtails out bottom like the old one?  Twistport 
adapter?

I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice enough 
to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails dressed just 
perfect.  Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal from a drip 
loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe 
in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or custom length 
coax jumpers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020. Also 
at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and triband 
for like $250'ish !!!

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1 2020.

Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much in 
“we are considering it” phase.

Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have a 
connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of us 
have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in the 450b 
high gain.  And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the CPU, 
triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b.

Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs.  If we 
haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally prefer to 
replace them with a 450i AP.  It’s just so confusing having a mix of 24V and 
48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a more capable 
CPU.  So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade 
the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists.  The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st 
qtr2020.

I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with 
reflectors.  That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a 
connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector 
dish.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Tyson Burris
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming out.
(actual SM)

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Really the only reason I released the Lite 450i is because I couldn’t get the 
MicroPoP out soon enough…

If we had the MicroPoP out, I would not even have done this. I think that 
MicroPoP is a cool little product that can really help to “fill the gaps” in a 
network, at a reasonable price.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming out.
(actual SM)

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

To make more money comrade.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys.

If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that 
model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s no 
additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit.

If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still make a profit, 
why is the key needed to unlock features?

On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's website 
there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be upgraded to 
full capacity with a key upgrade.

Cambium C050045AL02B
5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE

PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE

The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it will 
be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be purchased to 
remove this restriction.

https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B===0

I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of 10. 
And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too.

AWESOME


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CnPulse sad

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Just want to say THANK YOU for the feedback. I love reading this list every 
day...

Matt

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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

Yes, with universities having "cry closets" for our snowflake generation to use 
during finals, what would one expect.

BTW, AFMUG is not a "safe space", we do our best to "trigger" snowflakes and it 
could be best said that we are a "brave space".

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I'm sure they stopped doing that because all the sensitive engineers who are 
just out of college now can't handle being told that their ideas are bad.

I think the last time they had an event which was similar was when the original 
god-awful EPMP 1000 dishes had just come out.  The meeting was in January, we 
had one with and tried to get the engineers to come out and assemble it on the 
tailgate in the parking lot with us.  They refused.
On 9/25/2019 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Way back in the day, Motorola would send some of us prototypes to test and give 
feedback on before they finalized the designs.
They used to also have groups of users voice opinions about the roadmap.

From: Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I had the same head scratching moment with the uGPS before it was called the 
cnPulse. The design is awkward to say the least. It didn't have any idiot 
lights which was difficult for the tower crew to troubleshoot. We quickly 
removed it and went to a RackIjector. Best decision ever.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
We've always used PacketFlux sync products with Cambium radios, I have a 
somewhat unusual install involving a 450i and an omni and wanted AUX port sync 
and decided to try a CnPulse instead of ordering a Syncbox Jr. AUX port version.

Am I wrong, or did the Cambium team responsible for this product royally mess 
up?

1)  Big multilanguage instruction sheet, nowhere shows how to assemble or 
install the product.

2)  Instruction sheet has generic photo of Cambium radios installed at a tower 
but does not show a CnPulse.

3)  Bracket is stupid and for some reason they decided the cable glands should 
come out horizontally not at the bottom.

4)  Screws for attaching bracket (or flipping it around to mount on the 
opposite side of the pipe) require a T15 bit, because every tower climber 
carriers Torx bits.

5)  Label for which port is which is on the back where the bracket attaches.  
Yes there are also labels molded into the plastic housing, but the grey on grey 
is almost invisible.

The bracket is so stupid it's tempting to just electrical tape the unit to the 
pipe.  Except if we pointed the cable glands down, would it still see the 
satellites?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: When to consider 450M?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

It’s no secret Ken… just not coming soon enough! I would like to get it out 
sooner, and don’t want to hype it up, because it’s not going to be available 
until Q4.

Rest assured, it is coming though.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Seems to be a secret at Cambium.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Conn. 450b is coming so you can add a 2ft dish too

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the expense 
of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could hurt 
downlink.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi

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On 6/20/19, 9:35 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt" mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

> The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the SNR 
incoming to the AP.

We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
I assume the 450m will help in that department as well?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] canopy alignment headset

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

We used to contract Best-Tronics to make that… the cable’s a little longer, but 
looks like they still sell it.

https://btpa.com/BT-0674.html

Matt



From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 2:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] canopy alignment headset

Who makes this style alignment adapter?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Regarding the original question… I am not sure what they’re worth, but 
depending on the FCC response to the petition to extend part 90 operations 
beyond April 17, 2020, and what they rule regarding license expiration dates, 
that value could go up a bit.

The whole CBRS subject is quite complex as you might imagine…

As of right now, I believe there are 5 vendors approved to be SAS providers: 
Federated Wireless, CommScope, Google, Keybridge and Sony.

(Of those, there will be 2 separate ESC (Environmental Sensing Capability) 
sensor networks. One installed by Federated, and one jointly owned/operated by 
Google and CommScope.  This network provides capabilities for coastal operation 
where exclusion zones existed under Part 90 rules).

We at Cambium plan to utilize cnMaestro as the domain proxy (or the link) to 
the SAS service. As a customer of ours, you’ll be paying the monthly fees 
directly to us, and we will be handing that over to the SAS provider. We are 
working with all of the Big 3 (Federated, CommScope and Google) and will choose 
the provider that provides the best service and price for our customers. The 
goal is to eliminate some of the burden associated with CBRS operation. I am 
not yet sure exactly what the fees will be for this, but you can ball park it 
at a few dollars per device per month.

Dave is correct in that the PMP 450 platform (all devices), which are currently 
certified under Part 90 rules, will require simply a software update in order 
to continue operating under Part 96 rules. All of the hardware was designed to 
support operation all the way down to 3550 MHz from the beginning, and will 
communicate with the SAS as required by Part 96.

Regarding timing, it looks like ICD (Initial Commercial Deployment) may begin 
in May, and actual commercial release of GAA operation should happen sometime 
late Q3.  PAL auctions look to be mid-2020 or a bit later.

Cambium will publish more about this in the near future on our site, and we 
will be discussing this briefly during WISPAmerica.  I will be there if any of 
you guys want to come out to Cincinnati and chat about it.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 5:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS 
coming?

My point was there is not a single SAS administrator, there are multiple 
vendors like Google, Federated Wireless and Commscope I think.  Each will have 
their own pricing and other pros and cons to choosing them vs another.

As far as Cambium, I expect you will need to use cnMaestro which will provide 
the interface to whichever SAS vendor you select.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
dave
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 5:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?


From what I understand if you have cambium gear that it can be turned up with a 
firmware update.

As far as who gets paid the monthly check for use of the sas I am not clear on 
yet but I think cambium will

be a big player in this to help folks that have their gear.


On 2/13/19 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Which SAS vendor?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

I heard today that the SAS was supposed to be operational imminently.  The 
claim was that it would already have been up if not for the federal shutdown.  
I was told to expect it in March.

I guess we'll see.  It was a year away for 10 years, so maybe it'll be a 
month away for 10 months.

-Adam

On 2/11/2019 8:36 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices these days?




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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M POE

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

I would not recommend that PSU as the 5 GHz 450m can consume up to about 80W of 
peak power (though nomially consumes ~70W).

I would hate for it to be working, then cut out or reset due to some traffic 
condition exceeding the capability of a 70W rated supply.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M POE


I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power the 
450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then running it 
through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all in one for this 
location.

http://www.tycononline.com/TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP-36-72VDC-In-56VDC-70W-Passive-POE-Out-DCDC_p_28.html
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

We DO offer PTP 450i in 3.65… we even have cnMedusa in 3.65 now!

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Thanks Matt,

I would switch to 450i hardware if you offered 3.65 ghz band Hence why I am 
going to licensed gear.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, this is a CPU limitation with 450 hardware. The 450i radio has nearly 3x 
the PPS performance, and will eliminate this bottleneck.

Sorry, I didn’t see this thread until now (traveling).

Matt


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.

But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really mean 
switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86 (ATOM) 
hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast Ethernet radio 
to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up through ROS 5.26, but 
when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss and none of the suggested 
config changes would fix it, had had to roll back to 5.x FW (and ultimately 
replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the problem was something with the 
Intel NIC drivers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of 
things.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is nowhere 
for the traffic to go.

bp




On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is capable 
of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts showing errors 
at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the 
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds 
like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with pause frames?

It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface could 
exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the buffers 
are in the PTP450.

What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What 
happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks like 
you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router probably 
wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts.  
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a router port not a 
switch port.

I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or 
packet-per-second limitation in the radio.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same stats 
as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.


On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium 
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering it from just a 
Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.

There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the limit of 
how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data error problem.  
Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower, I would expect zero 
packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.

I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free for 
a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT event 
counter.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created the 
CAT6 line of product.

From: Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethe

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Yes, this is a CPU limitation with 450 hardware. The 450i radio has nearly 3x 
the PPS performance, and will eliminate this bottleneck.

Sorry, I didn’t see this thread until now (traveling).

Matt


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.

But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really mean 
switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86 (ATOM) 
hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast Ethernet radio 
to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up through ROS 5.26, but 
when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss and none of the suggested 
config changes would fix it, had had to roll back to 5.x FW (and ultimately 
replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the problem was something with the 
Intel NIC drivers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of 
things.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is nowhere 
for the traffic to go.

bp




On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is capable 
of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts showing errors 
at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the 
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds 
like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with pause frames?

It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface could 
exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the buffers 
are in the PTP450.

What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What 
happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks like 
you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router probably 
wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts.  
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a router port not a 
switch port.

I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or 
packet-per-second limitation in the radio.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same stats 
as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.


On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium 
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering it from just a 
Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.

There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the limit of 
how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data error problem.  
Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower, I would expect zero 
packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.

I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free for 
a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT event 
counter.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created the 
CAT6 line of product.

From: Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues


Hi Sam;

I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following in 
this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if you're 
out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a managed switch 
port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the Ethernet switch 
side and the PTP450 side.

Use PingPlotter (free version) or any other graphing ping tool and ping both 
the switch and PTP 450 at the NOC.  Compare traffic, graphs and SNMP results 
from all these sources.

Set the Ethernet speed and duplex modes on both devices 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Firmware Release Notices?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

We are working on just such a thing… I have tried to jumpstart this effort 
again internally, because I agree with you guys 100%.  We need to have some way 
to notify everyone that cares about new software releases.  Stay tuned.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Firmware Release Notices?

Not that I’ve found but it’d be nice if they had a list you could subscribe to.

I just check their site every now and then or wait for someone else to post 
about it.

-sean


On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM Christopher Gray 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
Is there a meaningful way to get alerts about Cambium firmware releases without 
having to check their download section daily?

Thank you - Chris


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Yes, it did.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 
SM's on AP

Did this get fixed in 15.1.3?

On 06/21/2018 11:04 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Seems related to 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Low-speed-PMP450-15-1-1-when-connected-6-and-more-SM-ethernet/m-p/76606
On 6/21/2018 8:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Has anyone seen a huge jump in ping times to 450-900mhz SM's after you go 
beyond 5 SM's on the AP? I am running firmware 15.1 and I am seeing this on an 
AP. Screenshots attached. I can go back down to 5 SM's or less and latency goes 
back to normal.







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[AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP Survey

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

One last reminder to get your input into our survey on a potential MicroPOP 
product in the 450 platform from Cambium. The survey will be open another week, 
and thanks to those who have already responded!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP

Matt Mangriotis
Director of Product Management
Cambium Networks

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