[AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Sam Lambie]

Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of
Extend AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio
failure.
Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits
of traffic on the downlink.
The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set
and the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech
support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need
Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a
few product series.

I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete
reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of
> Extend AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio
> failure.
> Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits
> of traffic on the downlink.
> The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set
> and the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[chuck]

This is what I understand.  I am building Exalt to AF11X adapters non stop at 
the moment.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech 
support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need 
Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a few 
product series.


I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete 
reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

  Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of 
Extend AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio 
failure. 
  Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits of 
traffic on the downlink.
  The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set and 
the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[SmarterBroadband]

We have found the complete opposite.  We have 10 Exalt Extreme Air 11 and 18GHz 
XPIC links and they have been trouble free.

 

Adam

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:19 AM
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Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech 
support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need 
Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a few 
product series.

 

I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete 
reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of Extend 
AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio failure.

Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits of 
traffic on the downlink.

The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set and 
the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

Don't the Exalt ExtremeAir have built-in XPIC with 2 radios? I would expect
that to work well; I did some work with the single-polarity Exalt
ExploreAir where some ethernet-type cables were used to wire the separate
radios together to do XPIC and that didn't work reliably.

If you need a spare ExtremeAir 11Ghz radio, I think that we have one to
sell.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:00 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> We have found the complete opposite.  We have 10 Exalt Extreme Air 11 and
> 18GHz XPIC links and they have been trouble free.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support
>
>
>
> Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech
> support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need
> Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a
> few product series.
>
>
>
> I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete
> reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of
> Extend AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio
> failure.
>
> Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits
> of traffic on the downlink.
>
> The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set
> and the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Matt]

What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can
do 2.5Gbps each direction.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:

> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Matt]

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?

>>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers 
> (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 2.5Gbps 
> each direction.
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[chuck]

Yep, it is a kludge thought.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?


dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)


With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:


Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator 
can do 2.5Gbps each direction.


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:


What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
how?


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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from
the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have
high/low-pass filters as well, depends how good those radios are at
filtering powerful out-of-channel noise.

With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz
of spectrum on each polarity.



On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

> Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
> double throughput?
>
> >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)
>
> With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
> carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
> >
> > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x
> carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can
> do 2.5Gbps each direction.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and
> how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[chuck]

You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
think you lose more signal with that method.



From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from the 
radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
out-of-channel noise.

With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
spectrum on each polarity.




On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

  Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
  double throughput?

  >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

  With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
  carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

  On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
  >
  > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 
2.5Gbps each direction.
  >
  > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
  >>
  >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Tim Hardy]

The circulator/filter method is used with virtually every 2+0 or more indoor 
radio setup.  Combiners are used for outdoor models such as those we have been 
discussing here and a typical loss per side is about 3.6 dB or 7.2 dB on the 
path.  This shouldn’t be overlooked when designing high capacity / high 
modulation systems since you will need every bit of system gain you can get (or 
antenna sizes must be greatly increased).

Whenever looking at competing radios and their published capacities, it is also 
important to closely examine and compare their system gains to see what works 
on your proposed path.  As an example, the Navigator High Capacity 80 MHz Bmw 
radio has a 68.7 dB system gain at 4096 QAM vs. 77 dB system gain on the Aviat 
WTM 4100 similarly configured.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:13 PM,   wrote:
> 
> You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
> limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
> the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
> think you lose more signal with that method.
>  
> 
>  
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support
>  
> You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from 
> the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
> filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
> out-of-channel noise.
>  
> With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
> spectrum on each polarity.
>  
>  
>  
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:
>> Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
>> double throughput?
>> 
>> >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)
>> 
>> With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
>> carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>> >
>> > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
>> > carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator 
>> > can do 2.5Gbps each direction.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
>> >> how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Chuck McCown]

At the higher frequencies, like 11 GHz, circulators and filters are small 
enough you can cobble together an outdoor only system.  I cannot over emphasize 
that Tim said about losses.  3.6 dB adds directly to the noise figure and that 
is the holy grail of SNR and receiver sensitivity.  

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

The circulator/filter method is used with virtually every 2+0 or more indoor 
radio setup.  Combiners are used for outdoor models such as those we have been 
discussing here and a typical loss per side is about 3.6 dB or 7.2 dB on the 
path.  This shouldn’t be overlooked when designing high capacity / high 
modulation systems since you will need every bit of system gain you can get (or 
antenna sizes must be greatly increased). 

Whenever looking at competing radios and their published capacities, it is also 
important to closely examine and compare their system gains to see what works 
on your proposed path.  As an example, the Navigator High Capacity 80 MHz Bmw 
radio has a 68.7 dB system gain at 4096 QAM vs. 77 dB system gain on the Aviat 
WTM 4100 similarly configured.


Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:13 PM,   wrote:


  You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
think you lose more signal with that method.

  

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

  You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from 
the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
out-of-channel noise.

  With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
spectrum on each polarity.




  On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?

>>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 
2.5Gbps each direction.
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
how?
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