Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

Not all only the ones that are more West facing on a mt side. The 
lightning there can be very impacting.
The ones that have back up gennys do just fine during storms because 
most of the time the power is broken due to a fuse or breaker somewhere 
down the line.
The others that have no genny and have a battery back up source we will 
drop that source if there is approaching storm within 3 mile or less.

Takes about 10-15 min the storm will move out and power can be restored.



On 4/3/20 2:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Dave,

You power all your DC sites down during lightning storms?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Josh Baird <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more
of these we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning
detector for an all battery backup site I just dont do it
anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too
many dc factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I
had have a minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2
450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which
included a hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for
timing using dinrails and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to
distribute power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector
48v dc arrestor top and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each
medusa for both Dc line and ethernet.

The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the
medusa at all just do some simple surge protection top and
bottom and everything should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single
medusa why not give it what it needs to perform and sustain.

Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs
power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65
or 70W.  Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of
temperature or something.

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via
POE over cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet. 
So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in
parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is
equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to
1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG
is needed.

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares
me.  That’s a lot of batteries.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX
port).  This is about 1.6A @ 48V.

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8%
resulting in 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should
run just fine at 54.5V according to the spec sheet.

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still
should be fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.

What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6
450i or something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min
by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even
with #10 hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss
in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that
48vDC those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to
everything and #8 stranded pairs up the tower for powe

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

This is a type A cable.  Now imagine this was just a flat ribbon fiber and
you bent it in a U without twisting the ribbon placing both MPOs on top of
each other.  Both Keys would be UP and fibers would be straight through.

If you then took two identical cassettes and plugged them in, pairs would
match up (wouldn't matter what the cassettes were but you might as well use
straight through)
[image: Screen Shot 2020-04-06 at 8.37.47 AM.png]

If you wanted to use a duplex SFP, you would just need to flip the polarity
on one of your patch cables.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:37 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>>>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>>>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>> Not rocket science.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
>>>>> cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
>>>>> around it.
>>>>>
>>>>> They recommended this:
>>>>>
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>>>> cassette)
>>>>>
>>>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match
>>>>> on TX/RX.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this sound right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
>>>>>> ordering
>>>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
>>>>>> Rx
>>>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but
>>>>>> you linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> have spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and
>>>>>> you'll be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
>>>>>> BiDi
>>>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for f

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> Not rocket science.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
>>>> cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
>>>> around it.
>>>>
>>>> They recommended this:
>>>>
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>>> cassette)
>>>>
>>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>>>> TX/RX.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
>>>>> ordering
>>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
>>>>> Rx
>>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or 
>>>>> have
>>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>>> be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jared
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
>>>>> BiDi
>>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged
>>>>>> outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower
>>>>>> Top enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Not rocket science.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>>
>>> They recommended this:
>>>
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>> cassette)
>>>
>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>>> TX/RX.
>>>
>>> Does this sound right?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>> be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>
>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
>>>>> use
>>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>>> 150' tall so I think 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

hold on- A is key up to key down.  You want the keys the same so you want a
Type B cable.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Type A Female to Female cable.
> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
> default for FS and most cassettes)
>
> That's it.
>
> Not rocket science.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>
>> They recommended this:
>>
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>> cassette)
>>
>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>> TX/RX.
>>
>> Does this sound right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Type A Female to Female cable.
> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
> default for FS and most cassettes)
>
> That's it.
>
> Not rocket science.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>
>> They recommended this:
>>
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>> cassette)
>>
>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>> TX/RX.
>>
>> Does this sound right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>>>> the fiber because I

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

Type A Female to Female cable.
Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
default for FS and most cassettes)

That's it.

Not rocket science.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>
> They recommended this:
>
> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
> ends, Type "A" polarity)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
> cassette)
>
> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
> TX/RX.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
>> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>> be fine.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>
>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>> experience with BiDi.
>>
>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>
>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>
>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>
>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>
>>>
>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>>
>>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i gues

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, exactly.  If you are doing BiDi, you want straight through.  Not that
cross pair won't work, but fiber 1 on one end won't match up with 1 on the
other etc.  If you use all straight through cables, cassettes etc
everything works.  They did the same thing to me on my first order so I
have one building where pairs are really hard to trace.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Carl,
>
> FS is recommending that I choose "Type C Cross-Pair" for polarity when
> ordering the MPT trunk cable.  Are you saying this is incorrect and I
> should choose "Type A Straight Thru"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
>> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
>> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
>> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
>> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
>> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>>
>> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
>> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
>> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
>> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>> be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>
>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>>> multi-conductor

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

They recommended this:

* https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both ends,
Type "A" polarity)
* https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
* https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF cassette)

They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
TX/RX.

Does this sound right?


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
> be fine.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
> experience with BiDi.
>
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Carl,

FS is recommending that I choose "Type C Cross-Pair" for polarity when
ordering the MPT trunk cable.  Are you saying this is incorrect and I
should choose "Type A Straight Thru"?

Thanks,

Josh

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>
> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>
>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would run the power cords and fibe

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

That is a thing of beauty….

 

Let us know the price when you find out….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber/DC from Eupen?
https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER 
<https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER_Code=EUPEN> 
_Code=EUPEN 

 

I am afraid to call and ask them the price. 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:54 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

 <mailto:m...@savvitechnologies.com> m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are 
actually built in China but we just pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time 
though so we order in quantity.  

Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND 4.8 
ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description to what 
you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU 
cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the patch 
cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning etc.  Much 
easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than LC.  We've 
standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of GPON and that is the 
defacto standard.

 

If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to polarity.  
They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other because they 
don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight through.  Use A on 
both ends for straight through.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).  

 

Thanks, Mark & Jared.

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you have 
the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering BiDi optics 
that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx on the other.   
You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com>  wrote:

 

I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked 
to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have 
spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be 
fine.

 

Jared

  

  

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. 

 

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes 
[2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that 
I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi SFP's, 
will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked here?  I have 
always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with BiDi.

 

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 

[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

  

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what I 
am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower. 

 

1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)

https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available 
immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version 
but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 

 

2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
(tower top this will be in an enclosure)

https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  

 

3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
enclosure to each radio SFP

https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 

 

4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire and 
still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 radios I 
will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 guage should 
be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
  

 

I would run the 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Dave,

You power all your DC sites down during lightning storms?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>
>>
>> We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we
>> have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
>> Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for
>> an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
>> Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc
>> factors to cause overload or damage.
>> You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a
>> minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
>> We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a
>> hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and
>> buss bar
>> to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute
>> power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and
>> bottom for
>> the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for
>> both Dc line and ethernet.
>>
>> The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.
>>
>> Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
>> Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all
>> just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should
>> be fine.
>> I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not
>> give it what it needs to perform and sustain.
>>
>> Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.
>> Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over
>> cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered
>> over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire
>> gauges, 4 in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is
>> equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG
>> is needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a
>> lot of batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This
>> is about 1.6A @ 48V.
>>
>>
>>
>> 12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
>> 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
>> according to the spec sheet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be
>> fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>>
>> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
>> equivalent.
>>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
>> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
>> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
>> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
>> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
>> We also use Duracomms
>> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
>> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
>> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
>> need lol.
>> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
>> stranded pairs up the tower for power.
>> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
>> pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me
>> know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF  wrote:

>
> We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we
> have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
> Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for
> an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
> Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc
> factors to cause overload or damage.
> You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a
> minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
> We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a hardened
> switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and buss bar
> to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute
> power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and
> bottom for
> the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for
> both Dc line and ethernet.
>
> The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.
>
> Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
> Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all
> just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should
> be fine.
> I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not
> give it what it needs to perform and sustain.
>
> Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.
>
>
>
> On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.
> Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.
>
>
>
> I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables
> right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x
> 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4
> in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to
> 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.
>
>
>
> Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.
>
>
>
> 3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a
> lot of batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>
>
>
> I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.
>
>
>
> The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This
> is about 1.6A @ 48V.
>
>
>
> 12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
> 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
> according to the spec sheet.
>
>
>
> Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be
> fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.
>
>
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>
> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I don’t think everyone followed that you were talking about DC power for up 
to 6 450m sectors.  Especially with the talk about hybrid cable.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave via AF
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 2:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: dave 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 


We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we have 
mostly 3Ghz medusas. 
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for an all 
battery backup site I just dont do it anymore. 
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc factors 
to cause overload or damage. 
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a minimal 
of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a hardened 
switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and buss bar 
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute power 
and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and bottom 
for 
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for both Dc 
line and ethernet. 

The site has been in play for a while now with out issue. 

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys. 
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all just do 
some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not give it 
what it needs to perform and sustain. 

Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too. 






On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  Maybe 
the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.

 

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables 
right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG 
wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel 
is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So 
nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.

 

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

 

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a lot of 
batteries.

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

 

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is 
about 1.6A @ 48V.

 

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 54.5V at 
the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V according to the 
spec sheet.

 

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine 
using 12AWG @ 250ft.  

 

What am I missing? 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket 
or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable 
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms  
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast need 
lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded 
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated 
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, 
connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these 
we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for 
an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc 
factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a 
minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a 
hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails 
and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute 
power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top 
and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for 
both Dc line and ethernet.


The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all 
just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything 
should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not 
give it what it needs to perform and sustain.


Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  
Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or 
something.


I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over 
cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are 
powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent 
to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 
x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG 
much less 8 AWG is needed.


Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s 
a lot of batteries.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  
This is about 1.6A @ 48V.


12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 
54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V 
according to the spec sheet.


Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be 
fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.


What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber/DC from Eupen?
https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER_Code=EUPEN

I am afraid to call and ask them the price.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:54 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are actually built in China but we just
> pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time though so we order in
> quantity.
> Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND
> 4.8 ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description
> to what you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
>> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
>> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
>> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
>> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
>> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>>
>> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
>> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
>> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
>> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>> be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>
>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are actually built in China but we just
pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time though so we order in
quantity.
Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND
4.8 ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description
to what you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>
> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>
>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
GPON and that is the defacto standard.

If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>
> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
>> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>> be fine.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>
>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>> experience with BiDi.
>>
>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>
>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>
>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>
>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>
>>>
>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>>
>>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).

Thanks, Mark & Jared.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
> be fine.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
> experience with BiDi.
>
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>>
>>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosur

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you have 
the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering BiDi optics 
that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx on the other.   
You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

Mark
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> 
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked 
> to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have 
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be 
> fine.
>  
> Jared
>  
>  
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>  
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes 
> [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so 
> that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi 
> SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked 
> here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with 
> BiDi.
>  
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 
> <https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html> 
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html 
> <https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser  <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what 
> I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>  
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html 
> <https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html>  (indoor version but available 
> immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 
> <https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html>  (custom length rugged outdoor 
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 
>  
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html 
> <https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html>  
>  
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 
> <https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856> 
>  
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
> wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
> properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire 
> and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 
> radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 
> guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>  
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G>
>   
>  
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top 
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with 
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber 
> at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into 
> the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a 
> couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock 
> those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>  
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it 
> could make sense.
>  
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are 
> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went 
> with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any 
> icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio 
> manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I 
> went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a cable, 
> but I don

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[fiberrun]

I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be fine.

 

Jared

 
 

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower


Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
 

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with BiDi.

 

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 

[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:


I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
 

1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)

https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 

 

2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)

https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  

 

3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top enclosure to each radio SFP

https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 

 

4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G  

 

I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.

 

I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it could make sense.

 

 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:


Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:



In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.

 

On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:


What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 
 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
experience with BiDi.

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it
> could make sense.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Ken Hohhof]

Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  Maybe 
the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.

 

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables 
right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG 
wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel 
is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So 
nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.

 

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

 

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a lot of 
batteries.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

 

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is 
about 1.6A @ 48V.

 

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 54.5V at 
the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V according to the 
spec sheet.

 

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine 
using 12AWG @ 250ft.  

 

What am I missing? 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket 
or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable 
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms  
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast need 
lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded 
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated 
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, 
connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is
about 1.6A @ 48V.

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
according to the spec sheet.

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine
using 12AWG @ 250ft.

What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:

> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

DO NOT USE THE UBNT FIBER CABLE  It is the most gawdawful stuff to work 
with.


There is no buffer tubing on the ends, so the super thin fiber is all 
that goes to the LC Connectors.
There is no strain relief where the outdoor jacket ends, the jacket is 
just cut open
There are no pulling eyes, so nothing to protect the fiber ends while 
installing/unspooling
The jacket itself is made out of some sort of solidified rubber cement, 
it is super sticky and won't pull past anything.



On 4/1/2020 11:37 AM, Roland Houin wrote:

the cable has lc duplex connectors each end
one end has a cable bung that screws directly into the 450/820 radio
the ones I got were single mode
no pictures at this time
Roland
> What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list that
anywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber? SFP
modules included or needed? Pictures?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> the cable seems ok.
> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
> it comes with the gland required
> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the 
jacket to

work in the typical gland.
> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
>
> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable
>
> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

LC Duplex  It's just a glorified patch cable.

On 4/1/2020 4:16 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


How many strands are in one cable?

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I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables.  They're a little expensive, 
but they have worked well.  Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC 
Connectors.   Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's


N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m
N82L143ASM 150m

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

How many strands are in one cable?

 

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Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables.  They're a little expensive, but
they have worked well.  Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC Connectors.
Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's

N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m
N82L143ASM 150m

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
jacket or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-serie
s-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
count, connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, but it's not just connectors.  You'll have a tail of bare or tight 
buffered fiber coming out long enough to reach the splicer and that 
needs to be protected.  It's usually a couple feet long, but you could 
get it down to a matter of 6-10" if you have a clear work space.  You'll 
need to build that fiber back up with tubing and tape and heat shrink.  
I can and have done this, but it's not worth the time compared to just 
buying a completed cable.  I'd encourage you to do it a few times just 
so you know that you could if you had to, but I'd rather just buy.



On 4/1/2020 4:25 PM, Matt wrote:

Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors
and made up there own fiber runs like this?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

Just purchased some,  arrived yesterday, plan to install on a Licensed Link
install next week.

I will let you know how it goes.

Adam

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Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors
and made up there own fiber runs like this?


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Roland Houin]

the cable has lc duplex connectors each end
one end has a cable bung that screws directly into the 450/820 radio
the ones I got were single mode
no pictures at this time
 
Roland
 
 
> What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list thatanywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber? SFPmodules included or needed? Pictures?On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:>> the cable seems ok.> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable> it comes with the gland required> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket towork in the typical gland.> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.>> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.>> Roland>>> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?>> 
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[Matt]

What all comes with the Cambium cable kit?  Does not seem to list that
anywhere.  What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber?  SFP
modules included or needed?  Pictures?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> the cable seems ok.
> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
> it comes with the gland required
> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to 
> work in the typical gland.
> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
>
> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable
>
> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Roland Houin]

the cable seems ok.
I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
it comes with the gland required
it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to work in the typical gland.
you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
 
I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
 
Roland
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

It's a brand new product.  They used to make a really good outdoor patch 
cables that were US Stocked about 2 years ago.  I have several of them 
deployed, but then they stopped making them.  It sounds like for these, 
they are all custom made, so no stock.


On 3/31/2020 10:12 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
I didn't realize they were making "FTTA" patch cables now.  I have 
used the outdoor armored patch cables from FS in the past.  I'll check 
these out.. wish they stocked them in the US.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?

Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?

My order from Feburary of these
https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html is finally getting
delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the picture is
accurate.

On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:

Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are
making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2
pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at
250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and
#8 stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

I didn't realize they were making "FTTA" patch cables now.  I have used the
outdoor armored patch cables from FS in the past.  I'll check these out..
wish they stocked them in the US.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?
>
> Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?
>
> My order from Feburary of these https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html is
> finally getting delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the picture
> is accurate.
>
> On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Best-tronics and its priced per foot
>  It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
> Call for pricing.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?
>
> On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
>
> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
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[Nate Burke]

What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?

Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?

My order from Feburary of these https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html 
is finally getting delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the 
picture is accurate.


On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:

Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair 
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, 
let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would 
want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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[dave]

Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair 
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, 
let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would 
want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[can...@believewireless.net]

Definitely stick with MST. Much less likely for climbers to damage.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:35 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again?
>
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>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>>
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
>>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah normally you would splice the OFDC's pigtails into the feeder.

On 3/31/2020 9:59 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct?  The MST 
may be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, 
since it comes with the fiber already attached/spliced.  Then, you 
just run jumpers from the MST to the radio.  Where do you buy 
Commscope from, btw?


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:56 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than
one kind until you asked the question.

Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for
12 connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the
entire 24F cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I
need at the radio.



On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that
you are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar
situation right now.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable
assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a
loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out. 
The connectors were LC duplex because the radio
manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango
and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower
climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower
climbers to be able to splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on
the tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors
in the OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly. 
Then it would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the
equipment.


On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
connectors?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct?  The MST may
be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, since it
comes with the fiber already attached/spliced.  Then, you just run jumpers
from the MST to the radio.  Where do you buy Commscope from, btw?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:56 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than one kind
> until you asked the question.
>
> Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for 12
> connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the entire 24F
> cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I need at the radio.
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>
>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[chuck]

Whatever came with the radio.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you 
could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.  


My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up there.




On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I used to just run 240vac.  


  Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


 
That's not a bad idea either.


On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

  We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

  On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.


On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i 
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than one kind 
until you asked the question.


Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for 12 
connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the entire 24F 
cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I need at the radio.




On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you 
are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable
assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose
tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The
connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's
approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I
went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace
a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the
OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it
would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

probably

On 3/31/2020 9:19 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the 
whole cluster that way?




On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at
240v you could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.

My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would
trust up there.


On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I used to just run 240vac.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:



That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.

https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.


On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at
300' but i
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>
>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the whole
cluster that way?



On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You put a DC power supply up on the tower?
>
> I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you
> could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.
>
> My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up
> there.
>
>
> On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I used to just run 240vac.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That's not a bad idea either.
> On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>
>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v 
you could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.


My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up 
there.



On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I used to just run 240vac.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:



That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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I used to just run 240vac.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's not a bad idea either.
> 
> On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>> 
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i 
>>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.


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> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
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We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>
> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Here is another way to run a single power source up the tower and then
branch off that and remote power cycle the branches:
https://streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DIN%2DRelay=0


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:34 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :)
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.
>>
>> On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.
>> You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a
>> PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit
>> in the same enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a
>> single CAT5 up the tower for the SiteMonitor.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
 went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
 be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
 radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
 Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
 replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
 splice or terminate fiber.

 Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
 tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
 have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre
 terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :)

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.
>
> On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.
> You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a
> PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit
> in the same enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a
> single CAT5 up the tower for the SiteMonitor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it
> could make sense.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.

On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.  You 
can retain IP based power control if you use something like a PacketFlux 5ch 
PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit in the same 
enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a single CAT5 up the 
tower for the SiteMonitor.

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> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what 
> I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
> 
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available 
> immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version 
> but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 
> 
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  
> 
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 
> 
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
> wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
> properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire 
> and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 
> radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 
> guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>   
> 
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top 
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with 
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber 
> at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into 
> the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a 
> couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock 
> those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
> 
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it 
> could make sense.
>  
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are 
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went 
>>> with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be 
>>> any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio 
>>> manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  
>>> I went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a 
>>> cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to splice or 
>>> terminate fiber.
>>> 
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the 
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated 
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
> splice or terminate fiber.
>
> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I 
went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there 
wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex 
because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both 
Trango and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower 
climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to 
be able to splice or terminate fiber.


Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  
I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the 
tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated 
jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.



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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc 
jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc 
jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Trey Scarborough]

I went down that route and its just easier to run separate fiber and 
power wires. Unless you are getting billed per wire up the tower its 
really not worth the added expense.


On 3/30/2020 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[TJ Trout]

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
count, connector type and lengths you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:

> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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[AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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