Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
I assume Robert will respond with the correct info but he did specifically say it was attached to the house in the original post. I read it to say that there was a window with an opening of 3x3'. I assume this means that there aren't any doors directly between the solarium and the house which could be left open to assist with the heat transfer. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry required. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window. bp On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even > connected. > > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. > > You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as > you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on > the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom > vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you > could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. > > My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, > and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. > > > bp > > > On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a >> bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any >> magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the >> house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in >> the solarium and 55 in the house. >> >> Best, >> Robert >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I meant JASMOC (used to use SMOP in the old programming days) bp On 11/4/2020 1:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry required. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window. bp On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even connected. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
JASMAC (Just A Small Matter of Carpentry) bp On 11/4/2020 1:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry required. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window. bp On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even connected. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry required. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window. bp On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even connected. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window. bp On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even connected. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even connected. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue. My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it. bp On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Something like this would do the job with a small solar panel.
Just hook it up with dryer hose.
https://www.mcmaster.com/19665K11/
From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades. I wonder
if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the whirlybird highest in the
cold house would do the same? The house being colder would be like the
outside? Or does the whirlybird need a breeze blowing by to get it started?
On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the intake
is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it will start
drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the bathroom. similar to a
cold smokehouse
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster wrote:
Or something like this solar powered attic fan
https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
7
Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?
I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.
We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.
This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...
On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
I had to Google what you all meant by "whirlybirds". That's a turbine
vent. There are no birds involved, guys.
On 11/4/2020 2:25 PM, Robert wrote:
The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades.
I wonder if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the
whirlybird highest in the cold house would do the same? The house
being colder would be like the outside? Or does the whirlybird need a
breeze blowing by to get it started?
On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as
the intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium
it will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
Or something like this solar powered attic fan
https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
<https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIHM92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8->
7
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Brian Webster
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?
I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.
We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house
side
from freezing up so hard.
This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...
On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
> Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a
radiator. Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the
cold area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades. I
wonder if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the whirlybird
highest in the cold house would do the same? The house being colder
would be like the outside? Or does the whirlybird need a breeze blowing
by to get it started?
On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the
intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it
will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
Or something like this solar powered attic fan
https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
<https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIHM92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8->
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?
I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.
We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.
This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...
On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
> Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a
radiator. Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold
area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
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That's nice... I live and die by KISS... On 11/4/20 10:52 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I made a lot of heat pipes when I was working on high bay LEDs. Turns out water is the best. You can use methanol, ethanol or some of the freons but you will not move more heat. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do some kind of passive pump. We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side from freezing up so hard. This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have a wick in it. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
With any solution where you're moving air, consider how to return cold
air from the house back into the solarium. You don't want negative
pressure in there pulling in the outside air. Maybe use two of the
solar fans so you have an in+out.
On 11/4/2020 2:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the
intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it
will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
Or something like this solar powered attic fan
https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
<https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIHM92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8->
7
Thank you,
Brian Webster
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?
I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.
We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.
This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...
On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
> Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a
radiator. Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold
area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster wrote: > Or something like this solar powered attic fan > > > https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH > > M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8- > <https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIHM92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-> > 7 > > Thank you, > Brian Webster > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > -Original Message- > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. > > Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build > something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? > > I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do > some kind of passive pump. > > We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just > to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side > from freezing up so hard. > > This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... > > > > On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full > > of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would > > boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of > > the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to > > have a wick in it. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews > > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. > > > > Hi folks, > > I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom > > window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks > > up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without > > using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium > > and 55 in the house. > > > > Best, > > Robert > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Or something like this solar powered attic fan https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8- 7 Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do some kind of passive pump. We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side from freezing up so hard. This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full > of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would > boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of > the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to > have a wick in it. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. > > Hi folks, > I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom > window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks > up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without > using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium > and 55 in the house. > > Best, > Robert > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Search Amazon or Google for a Sterling engine fan or heat powered fan. The startup temp required might not be low enough for your purpose however. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do some kind of passive pump. We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side from freezing up so hard. This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full > of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would > boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of > the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to > have a wick in it. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. > > Hi folks, > I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom > window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks > up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without > using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium > and 55 in the house. > > Best, > Robert > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
I made a lot of heat pipes when I was working on high bay LEDs. Turns out water is the best. You can use methanol, ethanol or some of the freons but you will not move more heat. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do some kind of passive pump. We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side from freezing up so hard. This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have a wick in it. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps? I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do some kind of passive pump. We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side from freezing up so hard. This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years... On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have a wick in it. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Heat Pipe. It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator. Full of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The solarium would boil the water and it would flow to the cold area. But the cold area of the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have a wick in it. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power. Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
If you're willing to do wiring, a solar panel, charge controller and battery kit will give you reliable power (as long as specced out for the load) and a 12/24V thermostat and fan will get that air moving. On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:54 AM Robert Andrews wrote: > Hi folks, > I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a > bathroom > window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks > up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without > using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium > and 55 in the house. > > Best, > Robert > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
Hi folks, I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house. Best, Robert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
