Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
CAT6 protection is almost always going to be a gas discharge tube protector
on each pair.   They sell the "tubes" such that each will protect one
pair.   So 4 components plus a circuit board with a ton of engineering to
be able to hopefully not break CAT6 specs when doing it.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 7:10 AM  wrote:

> That makes me wonder if the other guys’ “10gig” surge suppressor is going
> to break what I plug into it.
>
> I’ll tell you, compared to any other ethernet surge suppressor the 10gig
> model they sell has almost nothing in it.  If it works, it’s got to be the
> most minimal protection imaginable.
>
> This is probably another point in favor of separate power+fiber for
> outdoor equipment.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@go-mtc.com 
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> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <
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>
>
> I have not.  It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full
> CAT6 standards.  The jacks are not even able to pass with no components.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 8:27 PM
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>
>
> Have you played with multi-gig ethernet?
>
> A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very
> few components compared to their prior models.  I was wondering if 10G is
> too sensitive to put more components in the line.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 9:21 PM
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>
>
> All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has
> solid state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
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>
>
> Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are
> recommended for general use?
>
>
>
> I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.
> Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at
> the expense of reaction time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Yep,  usually crosstalk.

The problem is that they've started to spec inter-pair crosstalk.   That's
why cat6 has the interior plastic spacer.  Which gets cut out, the 3&6 pair
gets split and the twists in the twisted pair are eliminated through the
connector.

No modern high speed design engineer would use this connector for 10G if
they had a choice.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:29 AM  wrote:

> Yes, the splitting of 3&6 causes acres of trouble.  But what does a good
> PCB do if the jack causes the test to fail.  I don’t recall which test it
> is, but most jacks fail it.  Might be a crosstalk.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 11:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to
> add their 0.02...
>
> Ahh, I quickly glanced online and somehow misread the gige as cat6.
> Which is why I was confused.
>
> I've been neck deep in the 10 gig E spec for midspan injection off and on
> for the last couple of months.   Not a fun read or design.   Considering
> going to 6 or 8 layers  so I can meet some of the specifications. (Three
> ground planes with each pair being ran as a buried stripline).   And don't
> even get me started about how I feel the 568A/B pair arrangement has
> outlived its usefulness.   I'd like to see us move to an arrangement where
> the pairs actually pass through the jack as pairs.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 7:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has
>> solid state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add
>> their 0.02...
>>
>> Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are
>> recommended for general use?
>>
>> I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.
>> Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at
>> the expense of reaction time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Yes, the splitting of 3&6 causes acres of trouble.  But what does a good PCB do 
if the jack causes the test to fail.  I don’t recall which test it is, but most 
jacks fail it.  Might be a crosstalk.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 11:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

Ahh, I quickly glanced online and somehow misread the gige as cat6.   Which is 
why I was confused. 

I've been neck deep in the 10 gig E spec for midspan injection off and on for 
the last couple of months.   Not a fun read or design.   Considering going to 6 
or 8 layers  so I can meet some of the specifications. (Three ground planes 
with each pair being ran as a buried stripline).   And don't even get me 
started about how I feel the 568A/B pair arrangement has outlived its 
usefulness.   I'd like to see us move to an arrangement where the pairs 
actually pass through the jack as pairs.  


On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 7:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has solid 
state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.  



  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM
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  Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

  Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are 
recommended for general use?  

  I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.  
Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the 
expense of reaction time. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread dmmoffett 
That makes me wonder if the other guys’ “10gig” surge suppressor is going to 
break what I plug into it.

I’ll tell you, compared to any other ethernet surge suppressor the 10gig model 
they sell has almost nothing in it.  If it works, it’s got to be the most 
minimal protection imaginable.  

This is probably another point in favor of separate power+fiber for outdoor 
equipment.

 

-Adam

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 11:14 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

I have not.  It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full CAT6 
standards.  The jacks are not even able to pass with no components.  

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 8:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

Have you played with multi-gig ethernet?

A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very few 
components compared to their prior models.  I was wondering if 10G is too 
sensitive to put more components in the line.

-Adam

 

 

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Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 9:21 PM
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Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has solid 
state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.  

 

 

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are 
recommended for general use?  

 

I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.  Guessing 
the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the expense 
of reaction time. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Ahh, I quickly glanced online and somehow misread the gige as cat6.   Which
is why I was confused.

I've been neck deep in the 10 gig E spec for midspan injection off and on
for the last couple of months.   Not a fun read or design.   Considering
going to 6 or 8 layers  so I can meet some of the specifications. (Three
ground planes with each pair being ran as a buried stripline).   And don't
even get me started about how I feel the 568A/B pair arrangement has
outlived its usefulness.   I'd like to see us move to an arrangement where
the pairs actually pass through the jack as pairs.


On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 7:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has
> solid state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add
> their 0.02...
>
> Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are
> recommended for general use?
>
> I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.
> Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at
> the expense of reaction time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread TJ Trout 
Why not test for 2.5, 5 and 10g ethernet? Good marketing material if they
work?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 8:20 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I have not.  It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full
> CAT6 standards.  The jacks are not even able to pass with no components.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 8:27 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to
> add their 0.02...
>
>
> Have you played with multi-gig ethernet?
>
> A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very
> few components compared to their prior models.  I was wondering if 10G is
> too sensitive to put more components in the line.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 9:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to
> add their 0.02...
>
>
>
> All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has
> solid state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add
> their 0.02...
>
>
>
> Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are
> recommended for general use?
>
>
>
> I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.
> Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at
> the expense of reaction time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I have not.  It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full CAT6 
standards.  The jacks are not even able to pass with no components.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

Have you played with multi-gig ethernet?

A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very few 
components compared to their prior models.  I was wondering if 10G is too 
sensitive to put more components in the line.

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has solid 
state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.  

 

 

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are 
recommended for general use?  

 

I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.  Guessing 
the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the expense 
of reaction time. 




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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread dmmoffett 
Have you played with multi-gig ethernet?

A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very few 
components compared to their prior models.  I was wondering if 10G is too 
sensitive to put more components in the line.

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has solid 
state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.  

 

 

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

 

Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are 
recommended for general use?  

 

I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.  Guessing 
the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the expense 
of reaction time. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT.  Anything that says GIGE has solid 
state and GDT.  I would recommend CAT6 for everything.  



From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 
0.02...

Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are 
recommended for general use?  

I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.  Guessing 
the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the expense 
of reaction time. 



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[AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are
recommended for general use?

I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website.
Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at
the expense of reaction time.
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