Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
I used to get tower space for $2 per sub. That worked out pretty well. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > Our leases were for a rectangle with specific size and location. I never > thought of leasing an unspecified amount of space, but yeah if that was done > then a person might be tempted to treat the leased area as being unlimited. > > > > On 9/20/2021 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> I have asked for more rent when I discovered they were occupying about 5X >> the foot print of the original installation. I discovered a small building, >> backup generator, many more solar panels, large propane tank, fenced a large >> area etc. Nothing in the original lease spelled out the original footprint. >> But as I was the original landlord and the original tenant it was not a big >> deal. When I sold the company that was the tenant then it became a big >> deal. >> >> From: Adam Moffett >> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:36 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction >> >> I don't have an example land lease agreement. But these are some things >> that have come up. >> >> 24/7 access without notice >> (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at >> first, but it becomes a nuisance) >> >> Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in the lease, >> and physically mark it if it's not obvious. Use orange fiberglass >> reflective stakes or similar. >> (two different landowners have complained about techs driving across >> their hay. In both cases there was an agreed upon path that could be driven >> on, but it's not marked and not obvious to a new technician.) >> >> The lease is for the land, not what's on it. One landowner insisted on more >> rent when more things went on the tower. This didn't make sense to anyone >> except him, but apparently it needed to be spelled out. >> >> >> >> I can think of a few other disputes, but they had nothing to do with what >> was in the lease but rather the fact that the landlord was a crazy person. >> >> >> >> On 9/20/2021 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you >>> wish you thought of the first lease. >>> >>> this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on >>> >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
Our leases were for a rectangle with specific size and location. I never thought of leasing an unspecified amount of space, but yeah if that was done then a person might be tempted to treat the leased area as being unlimited. On 9/20/2021 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I have asked for more rent when I discovered they were occupying about 5X the foot print of the original installation. I discovered a small building, backup generator, many more solar panels, large propane tank, fenced a large area etc. Nothing in the original lease spelled out the original footprint. But as I was the original landlord and the original tenant it was not a big deal. When I sold the company that was the tenant then it became a big deal. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2021 1:36 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction I don't have an example land lease agreement. But these are some things that have come up. 24/7 access without notice (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at first, but it becomes a nuisance) Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in the lease, and physically mark it if it's not obvious. Use orange fiberglass reflective stakes or similar. (two different landowners have complained about techs driving across their hay. In both cases there was an agreed upon path that could be driven on, but it's not marked and not obvious to a new technician.) The lease is for the land, not what's on it. One landowner insisted on more rent when more things went on the tower. This didn't make sense to anyone except him, but apparently it needed to be spelled out. I can think of a few other disputes, but they had nothing to do with what was in the lease but rather the fact that the landlord was a crazy person. On 9/20/2021 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
I have asked for more rent when I discovered they were occupying about 5X the foot print of the original installation. I discovered a small building, backup generator, many more solar panels, large propane tank, fenced a large area etc. Nothing in the original lease spelled out the original footprint. But as I was the original landlord and the original tenant it was not a big deal. When I sold the company that was the tenant then it became a big deal. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:36 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction I don't have an example land lease agreement. But these are some things that have come up. 24/7 access without notice (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at first, but it becomes a nuisance) Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in the lease, and physically mark it if it's not obvious. Use orange fiberglass reflective stakes or similar. (two different landowners have complained about techs driving across their hay. In both cases there was an agreed upon path that could be driven on, but it's not marked and not obvious to a new technician.) The lease is for the land, not what's on it. One landowner insisted on more rent when more things went on the tower. This didn't make sense to anyone except him, but apparently it needed to be spelled out. I can think of a few other disputes, but they had nothing to do with what was in the lease but rather the fact that the landlord was a crazy person. On 9/20/2021 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
Oh.spell out who's responsible for maintaining the access road, including snow plowing. If the landlord is responsible then include a remedy (a free month etc) if they fail to plow it within a reasonable time frame. Maybe you have a snowcat and nobody is required to plow, if so then spell that out too. In one of those "driving on the hay" situations, the access road was a tractor path and the ruts were too deep for anything that wasn't a tractor. It was easier to just drive a truck across the field. The landlord invited us to fill in the ruts ourselves. I thought that wasn't reasonable, but nobody spelled out that the road had to be maintained to any specific standard so shame on us. -Adam On 9/20/2021 3:36 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't have an example land lease agreement. But these are some things that have come up. 24/7 access without notice (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at first, but it becomes a nuisance) Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in the lease, and physically mark it if it's not obvious. Use orange fiberglass reflective stakes or similar. (two different landowners have complained about techs driving across their hay. In both cases there was an agreed upon path that could be driven on, but it's not marked and not obvious to a new technician.) The lease is for the land, not what's on it. One landowner insisted on more rent when more things went on the tower. This didn't make sense to anyone except him, but apparently it needed to be spelled out. I can think of a few other disputes, but they had nothing to do with what was in the lease but rather the fact that the landlord was a crazy person. On 9/20/2021 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
I don't have an example land lease agreement. But these are some things that have come up. 24/7 access without notice (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at first, but it becomes a nuisance) Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in the lease, and physically mark it if it's not obvious. Use orange fiberglass reflective stakes or similar. (two different landowners have complained about techs driving across their hay. In both cases there was an agreed upon path that could be driven on, but it's not marked and not obvious to a new technician.) The lease is for the land, not what's on it. One landowner insisted on more rent when more things went on the tower. This didn't make sense to anyone except him, but apparently it needed to be spelled out. I can think of a few other disputes, but they had nothing to do with what was in the lease but rather the fact that the landlord was a crazy person. On 9/20/2021 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction
A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
