Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
yep, RTFM On 2/14/24 09:57, Brian Webster wrote: I hate that. I see this with Man pages on all kinds of software too! Open source projects have this bad habit. Just tell us what changing the settings will do please…. Thank you, Brian Webster *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 11:26 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature “Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. “ Since I’m feeling grouchy, I really want to expand on this story. There was a setting for the Wimax firmware on the Telrad 1000 called “Frame Offset”. The manual droned on at length to tell me that it’s an integer and you can set it from 0 to 32, and went into tedious detail on how to use the terminal menu system to change it. I asked our vendor support what it did and he said “we just leave it at 0”, but could not explain what it was for. I chased that up the totem pole with Telrad, and I think I concluded that nobody in the North American office knew what the hell that setting would do. That one was an illustrative example, but the entire manual was like that. -Adam *From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:47 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn’t mean to say that you were a hater. I’m getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn’t mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren’t leaning too heavily into “FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber”. Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn’t have to pay for it. They also never BS’d me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time….even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn’t help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn’t help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it’s time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I’d actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don’t know what’s up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway…..the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else’s crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that’s not a bad product. -Adam *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: &quo
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Back when we went down the WiMAX rabbit hole, we had a system where the web GUI and user manual must have been taken directly from the SNMP MIB. Explanations like it's a 32 bit unsigned integer. Want to know more, we'll explain what an unsigned integer is. What does it do? Sorry, we have no information about that. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 10:26 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature "Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. " Since I'm feeling grouchy, I really want to expand on this story. There was a setting for the Wimax firmware on the Telrad 1000 called "Frame Offset". The manual droned on at length to tell me that it's an integer and you can set it from 0 to 32, and went into tedious detail on how to use the terminal menu system to change it. I asked our vendor support what it did and he said "we just leave it at 0", but could not explain what it was for. I chased that up the totem pole with Telrad, and I think I concluded that nobody in the North American office knew what the hell that setting would do. That one was an illustrative example, but the entire manual was like that. -Adam From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater. I'm getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I hate that. I see this with Man pages on all kinds of software too! Open source projects have this bad habit. Just tell us what changing the settings will do please.. Thank you, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 11:26 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature "Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. " Since I'm feeling grouchy, I really want to expand on this story. There was a setting for the Wimax firmware on the Telrad 1000 called "Frame Offset". The manual droned on at length to tell me that it's an integer and you can set it from 0 to 32, and went into tedious detail on how to use the terminal menu system to change it. I asked our vendor support what it did and he said "we just leave it at 0", but could not explain what it was for. I chased that up the totem pole with Telrad, and I think I concluded that nobody in the North American office knew what the hell that setting would do. That one was an illustrative example, but the entire manual was like that. -Adam From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater. I'm getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message ---- From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/1
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
"Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. " Since I'm feeling grouchy, I really want to expand on this story. There was a setting for the Wimax firmware on the Telrad 1000 called "Frame Offset". The manual droned on at length to tell me that it's an integer and you can set it from 0 to 32, and went into tedious detail on how to use the terminal menu system to change it. I asked our vendor support what it did and he said "we just leave it at 0", but could not explain what it was for. I chased that up the totem pole with Telrad, and I think I concluded that nobody in the North American office knew what the hell that setting would do. That one was an illustrative example, but the entire manual was like that. -Adam From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater. I'm getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
For a while, I tried to modify my behavior to not trample the feelings of (several of) my kids that are a bit thin skinned. But this summer, having almost lost my wife while on vacation in Barcelona, I just said screw it. If they want the privilege of being around me, they will just have to put up with me. They speak of boundaries, so I decided I have boundaries too. Deal with it or leave. You might miss me once I am gone. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 5:56 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Excuse me while I yell at a cloud. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn’t mean to say that you were a hater. I’m getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn’t mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren’t leaning too heavily into “FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber”. Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn’t have to pay for it. They also never BS’d me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time….even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn’t help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn’t help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it’s time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I’d actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don’t know what’s up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway…..the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else’s crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that’s not a bad product. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Excuse me while I yell at a cloud. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater. I'm getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater. I'm getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind,
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Your outcomes with that feature sounded marginal. Maybe it’s not ready and they don’t want to charge money for it until it’s more fully baked. Just a WAG. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:12 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature They do seem to have some headwinds. But shareholder micromanagement is probably worse than stodgy product managers having the reins. Developing and releasing a feature and failing to charge for it seems counter to a mad scramble to make money. Unless they are finding that almost nobody wants it, which might be the case. Even if license keys seem like 100% profit, there has to be some finite cost to sell and activate the entitlements. If the number of sales would be in the single digits, it would actually make sense to just unlock it for free as Tyson Burris suggested. I would be surprised though. If nobody wants it, wouldn’t they just kill the feature so they wouldn’t have to support it? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Their shareholders are likely breathing down their necks even harder than their customers, so they are also in a mad scramble to make money. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:23 AM Tyson Burris mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> > wrote: Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they don’t tell us the price? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended sole
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09?AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven't released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it's worth the price if they don't tell us the price? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: An
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
They do seem to have some headwinds. But shareholder micromanagement is probably worse than stodgy product managers having the reins. Developing and releasing a feature and failing to charge for it seems counter to a mad scramble to make money. Unless they are finding that almost nobody wants it, which might be the case. Even if license keys seem like 100% profit, there has to be some finite cost to sell and activate the entitlements. If the number of sales would be in the single digits, it would actually make sense to just unlock it for free as Tyson Burris suggested. I would be surprised though. If nobody wants it, wouldn’t they just kill the feature so they wouldn’t have to support it? From: AF On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Their shareholders are likely breathing down their necks even harder than their customers, so they are also in a mad scramble to make money. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:23 AM Tyson Burris mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> > wrote: Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they don’t tell us the price? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, u
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Their shareholders are likely breathing down their necks even harder than their customers, so they are also in a mad scramble to make money. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:23 AM Tyson Burris wrote: > Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks > breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this > point. > > > > > > *Tyson Burris* > *President & CEO* > > > > Internet Communications Inc (ICI) > > 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 > > > > [image: Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) > [image: phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) > [image: Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net > [image: website website-icon] www.surfici.net > > > > > > *Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP > Cameras - Fiber – MDUs * > > > > *Active Member To The Following**:* > > > > WISPA <http://www.wispa.org/> > > NBBC <http://www.nbbc.coop/> > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete this email from your system. > > > > No Binding Agreement: > > > > This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it > specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized > agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this > email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those > of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability > of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult > with an attorney. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation > feature > > > > Tough crowd. > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to > distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock > MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. > > > > What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a > 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? > And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they > don’t tell us the price? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris > *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation > feature > > > > Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. > > > > > > *Tyson Burris* > *President & CEO* > > > > Internet Communications Inc (ICI) > > 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 > > > > [image: Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) > [image: phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) > [image: Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net > [image: website website-icon] www.surfici.net > > > > > > *Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP > Cameras - Fiber – MDUs * > > > > *Active Member To The Following**:* > > > > WISPA <http://www.wispa.org/> > > NBBC <http://www.nbbc.coop/> > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete this email from your system. > > > > No Binding Agreement: > > > > This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it > specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized > agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this > email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those > of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability > of any agreement or arrangement discusse
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck.? I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point.? ? ? Tyson Burris? President & CEO? ? Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131? ? 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours)? 317-738-0320?(office) ? t...@franklinisp.net? ??www.surfici.net? ? ? Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions ? Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber ? MDUs? ? Active Member To The Following: ? WISPA NBBC ? Confidentiality Notice: ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. ? No Binding Agreement: ? This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. ? From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? Tough crowd. ? On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09?AM Ken Hohhof wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven?t released the license key to distributors yet.? I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite.? My mistake. ? What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days?? And how are customers supposed to decide if it?s worth the price if they don?t tell us the price? ? From: AF On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? Correction to my comment.? I can?t see the benefit. ? ? Tyson Burris? President & CEO? ? Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131? ? 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours)? 317-738-0320?(office) ? t...@franklinisp.net? ??www.surfici.net? ? ? Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions ? Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber ? MDUs? ? Active Member To The Following: ? WISPA NBBC ? Confidentiality Notice: ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. ? No Binding Agreement: ? This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. ? From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? That's what my distributor has it listed for. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price.? Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. ? ? Tyson Burris? President & CEO? ? Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131? ? 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours)? 317-738-0320?(office) ? t...@franklinisp.net? ??w
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) [phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) [Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net [website website-icon] www.surfici.net [cid:image005.jpg@01DA5E66.7BD62D80] Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA<http://www.wispa.org/> NBBC<http://www.nbbc.coop/> Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they don’t tell us the price? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) [phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) [Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> [website website-icon] www.surfici.net<http://www.surfici.net> [cid:image005.jpg@01DA5E66.7BD62D80] Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA<http://www.wispa.org/> NBBC<http://www.nbbc.coop/> Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature That's what my distributor has it listed for. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-ic
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to > distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock > MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. > > > > What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a > 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? > And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they > don’t tell us the price? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris > *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation > feature > > > > Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. > > > > > > *Tyson Burris* > *President & CEO* > > > > Internet Communications Inc (ICI) > > 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 > > > > [image: Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) > [image: phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) > [image: Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net > [image: website website-icon] www.surfici.net > > > > > > *Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP > Cameras - Fiber – MDUs * > > > > *Active Member To The Following**:* > > > > WISPA <http://www.wispa.org/> > > NBBC <http://www.nbbc.coop/> > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete this email from your system. > > > > No Binding Agreement: > > > > This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it > specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized > agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this > email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those > of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability > of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult > with an attorney. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation > feature > > > > That's what my distributor has it listed for. > > Original Message > From: "Tyson Burris" > Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature > > I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can > see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. > > > > > > *Tyson Burris* > *President & CEO* > > > > Internet Communications Inc (ICI) > > 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 > > > > [image: Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) > [image: phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) > [image: Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net > [image: website website-icon]??www.surfici.net > > > > > > *Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP > Cameras - Fiber – MDUs * > > > > *Active Member To The Following**:* > > > > WISPA <http://www.wispa.org/> > > NBBC <http://www.nbbc.coop/> > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete this email from your system. > > > > No Binding Agreement: > > > > This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it > specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized > agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this > email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those > of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability >
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
Turns out you are right, they haven’t released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it’s worth the price if they don’t tell us the price? From: AF On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature That's what my distributor has it listed for. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message ---- From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF mailto:af
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Correction to my comment. I can’t see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) [phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) [Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net [website website-icon] www.surfici.net [cid:image005.jpg@01DA5AA9.C1C30F90] Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA<http://www.wispa.org/> NBBC<http://www.nbbc.coop/> Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature That's what my distributor has it listed for. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) [phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) [Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> [website website-icon]??www.surfici.net [cid:image005.jpg@01DA5AA9.C1C30F90] Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA<http://www.wispa.org/> NBBC<http://www.nbbc.coop/> Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
That's what my distributor has it listed for. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price.? Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. ? ? Tyson Burris? President & CEO? ? Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131? ? 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours)? 317-738-0320?(office) ? t...@franklinisp.net? ??www.surfici.net? ? ? Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions ? Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber ? MDUs? ? Active Member To The Following: ? WISPA NBBC ? Confidentiality Notice: ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. ? No Binding Agreement: ? This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. ? From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000? Please tell me that is not per Access Point I could handle maybe that for all of them. ? From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction.? So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink.? The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. ? The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. ? From: AF On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. ? On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26?AM Ken Hohhof wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW?? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) ? I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton.? My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 [Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) [phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) [Email email-icon] t...@franklinisp.net [website website-icon] www.surfici.net [cid:image005.jpg@01DA5AA7.EB80B550] Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA<http://www.wispa.org/> NBBC<http://www.nbbc.coop/> Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26?AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton. My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I'm out of the wireless game at this point, so this is all opinion: I also would have been ecstatic with a gain like going from 3x to 6x, but your result sounds pretty reasonable. Whatever signal processing is done for interference "cancellation", it has to do that processing on every received frame, and complete it within so many microseconds before the frame is too delayed to be useful, and it has to it with a size, cost, and power consumption that the market will bear. The WISP market won't bear much cost increase. Around 2014-2015 when we were messing with Telrad LTE I was talking to the company president about the cost, which was north of $10k per eNB once you counted everything in the BOM. His point was that he didn't want to spend more than needed, but the one time capital expense of the base station wasn't a big deal in the long run when stacked up against everything else. Telrad sucked, but that's not the point. The point is another $2k per AP is not crazy for a marginal improvement as long as it's at least sometimes useful and you have the capital to start with. I'm afraid I got out before we had any 450m deployed so I don't know how significant an additional 1.0 uplink multiplexing gain is. If it was downlink I'd take any scraps of capacity I could get, but yeah maybe not so awesome on uplink. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF < <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. From: AF < <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26?AM Ken Hohhof < <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton. My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> AF@af.afmug.com <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP.I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. Original Message From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000? Please tell me that is not per Access Point I could handle maybe that for all of them. ? From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction.? So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink.? The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. ? The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. ? From: AF On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature ? I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. ? On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26?AM Ken Hohhof wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW?? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) ? I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton.? My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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$2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton. My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. From: AF On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton. My uplink multiplexing gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? > (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) > > > > I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first > impression is that it helps a little not a ton. My uplink multiplexing > gain was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com