Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're talking
about.

There are various products in various stages of development, not sure if
any of them match the description 'compact rack injector'.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Is this still being developed?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you looking for same functionality, smaller size, fewer ports?  Or 
additional functionality, like integrating switch/router or lightning 
protection?  (I would be against that last one, I like lightning protectors to 
be separate and modular so they can easily be replace if they take a bullet for 
the team.)

 

Maybe you want a 4 port Rack Injector in a PowerInjector form factor so it can 
go on a DIN rail?  Or maybe you want something with switch or router 
functionality, maybe fed via DC power + fiber, similar to an Edgepoint but with 
Canopy or Cambium Sync?  Or none of the above?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

 

Seems I am not the only one looking for a more compact tower top solution. 
Ive beat cambium till the horse died about the cmm5 physical limitations it has.
Currently I am deploying the rack injector inside a DDB cabinet at 250' with 
hardened 
fiber switches to meet connections at that level. 
As you can see this a fairly large cabinet with a lot of stuff in it to not 
only provide the level protection but ease of
maintenance and performance criteria. 
I would like to see something in the range of a CMM4 box with just DIN rail 
modules for this same reason. 
I have used some Rhino Power supplies to accommodate power if needed to meet 24 
or 48v. 
Forrest you almost have the complete design to make your cards fit a Dinrail 
size box and add the controller in another din box. This would be the solution 
for the size we need to build these boxes to a much more manageable size.

my 2cents   


On 10/03/2018 03:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're talking about. 

 

There are various products in various stages of development, not sure if any of 
them match the description 'compact rack injector'.   

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Is this still being developed? 

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Michwave Technologies, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Jon Langeler]

Something 3/4 the width of current option. Likely less slots also 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Are you looking for same functionality, smaller size, fewer ports?  Or 
> additional functionality, like integrating switch/router or lightning 
> protection?  (I would be against that last one, I like lightning protectors 
> to be separate and modular so they can easily be replace if they take a 
> bullet for the team.)
>  
> Maybe you want a 4 port Rack Injector in a PowerInjector form factor so it 
> can go on a DIN rail?  Or maybe you want something with switch or router 
> functionality, maybe fed via DC power + fiber, similar to an Edgepoint but 
> with Canopy or Cambium Sync?  Or none of the above?
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:15 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?
>  
> Seems I am not the only one looking for a more compact tower top solution. 
> Ive beat cambium till the horse died about the cmm5 physical limitations it 
> has.
> Currently I am deploying the rack injector inside a DDB cabinet at 250' with 
> hardened 
> fiber switches to meet connections at that level. 
> As you can see this a fairly large cabinet with a lot of stuff in it to not 
> only provide the level protection but ease of
> maintenance and performance criteria. 
> I would like to see something in the range of a CMM4 box with just DIN rail 
> modules for this same reason. 
> I have used some Rhino Power supplies to accommodate power if needed to meet 
> 24 or 48v. 
> Forrest you almost have the complete design to make your cards fit a Dinrail 
> size box and add the controller in another din box. This would be the 
> solution for the size we need to build these boxes to a much more manageable 
> size.
> 
> my 2cents   
> 
> 
> On 10/03/2018 03:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're talking 
> about.
>  
> There are various products in various stages of development, not sure if any 
> of them match the description 'compact rack injector'.   
>  
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler  
> wrote:
> Is this still being developed? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Dave]

Forrest,
 I have not purchased any of your products in a long while till this 
issue I ran into where the cmm5 was limited on physical

dimension to be used top side.
 So, I immediately started work on my own design to help support what I 
think would be helpful. The products you have that fit that design will 
work for most deployments which is where I got the idea,but I am looking 
for that module for the 450i/m line with the same performance or similar 
to the cmm5.


Dave


On 10/03/2018 08:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm a bit confused

We've been shipping web-enabled cambium-compatible sync products in 
the DIN rail form factor for years.   It's called a SiteMonitor base 
unit  in combination with one or more powerinjector+sync products (and 
the SyncInjectors before them).  All a RackInjector is is the 
powerinjector+sync product in combination with what will become the 
Sitemonitor Base Unit III hardware.  But you don't get any real 
meaningful functionality difference between the 
been-shipping-for-years din mount product and a RackInjector other 
than the prettier web interface and a different form factor.  Heck, 
until just recently the RackInjector didn't have SNMP and the older 
hardware did.


The reason why I asked what product you were referring to is the only 
shortcoming of the din rail form factor has been the lack of 
cambium-style sync such as is used by the 450i/450m.   We launched 
that hardware in the RackInjector form factor because we knew we would 
need some more engineering work to be done to be able to fit it back 
in the power injector case.   We also wanted to make sure it could 
work standalone (without a base unit) and run off of either + or - 
supplies.   If you sniff around on the PacketFlux website over the 
next few days I have a feeling you'll find a cambium sync version of 
the PowerInjector which appears sometime shortly before WISPAPALOOZA, 
with shipments starting 30-45 days after.


The SiteMonitor III is going to be a while later.   We have 2 
additional updated products launching at WISPAPALOOZA, all of which 
are a result of the engineering which was done for the above product.  
  Specifically the SiteMontior single port din rail mount injector and 
the 5 channel PDU are both now polarity agnostic.   There might be 
another couple of products which come out in short succession 
afterwards, depending on how testing on prototype boards goes.     But 
this has all taken time away from the Base III, which sort of has been 
put on the back burner until we can clear these other products out.



On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:12 AM Dave > wrote:


Seems I am not the only one looking for a more compact tower top
solution.
Ive beat cambium till the horse died about the cmm5 physical
limitations it has.
Currently I am deploying the rack injector inside a DDB cabinet at
250' with hardened
fiber switches to meet connections at that level.
As you can see this a fairly large cabinet with a lot of stuff in
it to not only provide the level protection but ease of
maintenance and performance criteria.
I would like to see something in the range of a CMM4 box with just
DIN rail modules for this same reason.
I have used some Rhino Power supplies to accommodate power if
needed to meet 24 or 48v.
Forrest you almost have the complete design to make your cards fit
a Dinrail size box and add the controller in another din box. This
would be the solution for the size we need to build these boxes to
a much more manageable size.

my 2cents


On 10/03/2018 03:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're
talking about.

There are various products in various stages of development, not
sure if any of them match the description 'compact rack injector'.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:

Is this still being developed?

Jon Langeler
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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The Cambium-compatible version of the PowerInjector plus sync is what
you're looking for.   The product is done, it's now just ramping up
production on it.   It will be orderable by WISPAPALOOZA, and shipping by
the end of November, possibly even the end of October.   We're just going
through production rampup on it.

A challenge is that I'm out of town 4+ weeks of the next 6.  I'm hoping to
get this out during the brief week and a half window of time that I'm
physically in the office around the end of October, but it will be tight
and that isn't a guarantee.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM Dave  wrote:

> Forrest,
>  I have not purchased any of your products in a long while till this issue
> I ran into where the cmm5 was limited on physical
> dimension to be used top side.
>  So, I immediately started work on my own design to help support what I
> think would be helpful. The products you have that fit that design will
> work for most deployments which is where I got the idea,but I am looking
> for that module for the 450i/m line with the same performance or similar to
> the cmm5.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 10/03/2018 08:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I'm a bit confused
>
> We've been shipping web-enabled cambium-compatible sync products in the
> DIN rail form factor for years.   It's called a SiteMonitor base unit  in
> combination with one or more powerinjector+sync products (and the
> SyncInjectors before them).  All a RackInjector is is the
> powerinjector+sync product in combination with what will become the
> Sitemonitor Base Unit III hardware.  But you don't get any real meaningful
> functionality difference between the been-shipping-for-years din mount
> product and a RackInjector other than the prettier web interface and a
> different form factor.  Heck, until just recently the RackInjector didn't
> have SNMP and the older hardware did.
>
> The reason why I asked what product you were referring to is the only
> shortcoming of the din rail form factor has been the lack of cambium-style
> sync such as is used by the 450i/450m.   We launched that hardware in the
> RackInjector form factor because we knew we would need some more
> engineering work to be done to be able to fit it back in the power injector
> case.   We also wanted to make sure it could work standalone (without a
> base unit) and run off of either + or - supplies.   If you sniff around on
> the PacketFlux website over the next few days I have a feeling you'll find
> a cambium sync version of the PowerInjector which appears sometime shortly
> before WISPAPALOOZA, with shipments starting 30-45 days after.
>
> The SiteMonitor III is going to be a while later.   We have 2
> additional updated products launching at WISPAPALOOZA, all of which are a
> result of the engineering which was done for the above product.
> Specifically the SiteMontior single port din rail mount injector and the 5
> channel PDU are both now polarity agnostic.   There might be another couple
> of products which come out in short succession afterwards, depending on how
> testing on prototype boards goes. But this has all taken time away from
> the Base III, which sort of has been put on the back burner until we can
> clear these other products out.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:12 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>> Seems I am not the only one looking for a more compact tower top
>> solution.
>> Ive beat cambium till the horse died about the cmm5 physical limitations
>> it has.
>> Currently I am deploying the rack injector inside a DDB cabinet at 250'
>> with hardened
>> fiber switches to meet connections at that level.
>> As you can see this a fairly large cabinet with a lot of stuff in it to
>> not only provide the level protection but ease of
>> maintenance and performance criteria.
>> I would like to see something in the range of a CMM4 box with just DIN
>> rail modules for this same reason.
>> I have used some Rhino Power supplies to accommodate power if needed to
>> meet 24 or 48v.
>> Forrest you almost have the complete design to make your cards fit a
>> Dinrail size box and add the controller in another din box. This would be
>> the solution for the size we need to build these boxes to a much more
>> manageable size.
>>
>> my 2cents
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2018 03:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're talking
>> about.
>>
>> There are various products in various stages of development, not sure if
>> any of them match the description 'compact rack injector'.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this still being developed?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
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>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[George Skorup]

Was the 12-port DIN PIPS scrapped? I would still really like to see that 
for existing smaller cabinets.
An 8-port injector module + 4-port DIN PIPS + fuse blocks is a lot of 
wiring and takes up quite a bit of space. And then I've got only 4 ports 
of Canopy Sync. So a 12-port PIPS would be great.


On 10/3/2018 8:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm a bit confused

We've been shipping web-enabled cambium-compatible sync products in 
the DIN rail form factor for years.   It's called a SiteMonitor base 
unit  in combination with one or more powerinjector+sync products (and 
the SyncInjectors before them).  All a RackInjector is is the 
powerinjector+sync product in combination with what will become the 
Sitemonitor Base Unit III hardware.  But you don't get any real 
meaningful functionality difference between the 
been-shipping-for-years din mount product and a RackInjector other 
than the prettier web interface and a different form factor.  Heck, 
until just recently the RackInjector didn't have SNMP and the older 
hardware did.


The reason why I asked what product you were referring to is the only 
shortcoming of the din rail form factor has been the lack of 
cambium-style sync such as is used by the 450i/450m.  We launched that 
hardware in the RackInjector form factor because we knew we would 
need some more engineering work to be done to be able to fit it back 
in the power injector case.   We also wanted to make sure it could 
work standalone (without a base unit) and run off of either + or - 
supplies.   If you sniff around on the PacketFlux website over the 
next few days I have a feeling you'll find a cambium sync version of 
the PowerInjector which appears sometime shortly before WISPAPALOOZA, 
with shipments starting 30-45 days after.


The SiteMonitor III is going to be a while later.   We have 2 
additional updated products launching at WISPAPALOOZA, all of which 
are a result of the engineering which was done for the above product.  
  Specifically the SiteMontior single port din rail mount injector and 
the 5 channel PDU are both now polarity agnostic.   There might be 
another couple of products which come out in short succession 
afterwards, depending on how testing on prototype boards goes.     But 
this has all taken time away from the Base III, which sort of has been 
put on the back burner until we can clear these other products out.



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Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh need to clarify...  The cambium sync version of the powerinjector plus
sync.   Too much work, too little sleep I think.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:36 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The Cambium-compatible version of the PowerInjector plus sync is what
> you're looking for.   The product is done, it's now just ramping up
> production on it.   It will be orderable by WISPAPALOOZA, and shipping by
> the end of November, possibly even the end of October.   We're just going
> through production rampup on it.
>
> A challenge is that I'm out of town 4+ weeks of the next 6.  I'm hoping to
> get this out during the brief week and a half window of time that I'm
> physically in the office around the end of October, but it will be tight
> and that isn't a guarantee.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>>  I have not purchased any of your products in a long while till this
>> issue I ran into where the cmm5 was limited on physical
>> dimension to be used top side.
>>  So, I immediately started work on my own design to help support what I
>> think would be helpful. The products you have that fit that design will
>> work for most deployments which is where I got the idea,but I am looking
>> for that module for the 450i/m line with the same performance or similar to
>> the cmm5.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2018 08:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit confused
>>
>> We've been shipping web-enabled cambium-compatible sync products in the
>> DIN rail form factor for years.   It's called a SiteMonitor base unit  in
>> combination with one or more powerinjector+sync products (and the
>> SyncInjectors before them).  All a RackInjector is is the
>> powerinjector+sync product in combination with what will become the
>> Sitemonitor Base Unit III hardware.  But you don't get any real meaningful
>> functionality difference between the been-shipping-for-years din mount
>> product and a RackInjector other than the prettier web interface and a
>> different form factor.  Heck, until just recently the RackInjector didn't
>> have SNMP and the older hardware did.
>>
>> The reason why I asked what product you were referring to is the only
>> shortcoming of the din rail form factor has been the lack of cambium-style
>> sync such as is used by the 450i/450m.   We launched that hardware in the
>> RackInjector form factor because we knew we would need some more
>> engineering work to be done to be able to fit it back in the power injector
>> case.   We also wanted to make sure it could work standalone (without a
>> base unit) and run off of either + or - supplies.   If you sniff around on
>> the PacketFlux website over the next few days I have a feeling you'll find
>> a cambium sync version of the PowerInjector which appears sometime shortly
>> before WISPAPALOOZA, with shipments starting 30-45 days after.
>>
>> The SiteMonitor III is going to be a while later.   We have 2
>> additional updated products launching at WISPAPALOOZA, all of which are a
>> result of the engineering which was done for the above product.
>> Specifically the SiteMontior single port din rail mount injector and the 5
>> channel PDU are both now polarity agnostic.   There might be another couple
>> of products which come out in short succession afterwards, depending on how
>> testing on prototype boards goes. But this has all taken time away from
>> the Base III, which sort of has been put on the back burner until we can
>> clear these other products out.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:12 AM Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems I am not the only one looking for a more compact tower top
>>> solution.
>>> Ive beat cambium till the horse died about the cmm5 physical limitations
>>> it has.
>>> Currently I am deploying the rack injector inside a DDB cabinet at 250'
>>> with hardened
>>> fiber switches to meet connections at that level.
>>> As you can see this a fairly large cabinet with a lot of stuff in it to
>>> not only provide the level protection but ease of
>>> maintenance and performance criteria.
>>> I would like to see something in the range of a CMM4 box with just DIN
>>> rail modules for this same reason.
>>> I have used some Rhino Power supplies to accommodate power if needed to
>>> meet 24 or 48v.
>>> Forrest you almost have the complete design to make your cards fit a
>>> Dinrail size box and add the controller in another din box. This would be
>>> the solution for the size we need to build these boxes to a much more
>>> manageable size.
>>>
>>> my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/03/2018 03:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I know which possibly in development product you're talking
>>> about.
>>>
>>> There are various products in various stages of development, not sure if
>>> any of them match the description 'compact rack injector'.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is this still being developed?

Re: [AFMUG] Compact rack injector?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Why do you need the 8 port injector module separately from just a couple
more PIPS?  Cost?  The PIPS will do everything that the 8 port injector
card will do, and does most of the fusing for you (just give it a 10A fuse,
it will be fine).

One of the products I mentioned that might come out shortly is a 6 port
non-sync version of the powerinjector.   So for non-sync radios you will
have a bit more density.   It basically removes the two syncpipe ports and
uses that space for PoE ports.

The 12 port unit isn't dead per-se, just hasn't materialized for various
reasons.   Part of the challenge with the 12 port unit is getting enough
power into that 12 port unit anymore.   12 ports needs almost 20A when
you're talking about medusas.   The growth of power hungry radios is an
ongoing challenge.  The cambium sync power injector+sync product actually
has a 6 layer circuit board with 2 layers just dedicated to moving bulk
power around because of the increased power draw of the radios.   With the
12 port injector we'd also be moving the power between boards
internally...  I guess at 2A per port we're pretty much maxed out for
gigabit injection so if I solve this I don't have to bump up the power
again next year. Another challenge is the assembly complexity, of
getting two boards in an enclosure in a way which can be assembled.   Plus,
my enclosure manufacturer is telling me that with that large of enclosure,
I'll probably have to glue the case shut to achieve mechanical stability,
especially with hanging it off a din rail.  This wouldn't be a problem
except now I have to solve the how to provide jumper accessibility.   And,
then there's the space issue, in that I barely fit 4 onto a single circuit
board with the cambium sync circuitry, trying to get 12 on 2 boards is
going to be even more difficult.   So, there's lots of work to do, and
there's been a lot of other products which keep ending up being higher
priority such as the support for cambium sync.   Once the dust settles on
the current batch, I'll be figuring out what is next, and the 12 port
injector is still in the 'should do sometime soon pile' - I'll probably end
up taking at least another good look at it in the next few months.



On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:47 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Was the 12-port DIN PIPS scrapped? I would still really like to see that
> for existing smaller cabinets.
> An 8-port injector module + 4-port DIN PIPS + fuse blocks is a lot of
> wiring and takes up quite a bit of space. And then I've got only 4 ports
> of Canopy Sync. So a 12-port PIPS would be great.
>
> On 10/3/2018 8:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > I'm a bit confused
> >
> > We've been shipping web-enabled cambium-compatible sync products in
> > the DIN rail form factor for years.   It's called a SiteMonitor base
> > unit  in combination with one or more powerinjector+sync products (and
> > the SyncInjectors before them).  All a RackInjector is is the
> > powerinjector+sync product in combination with what will become the
> > Sitemonitor Base Unit III hardware.  But you don't get any real
> > meaningful functionality difference between the
> > been-shipping-for-years din mount product and a RackInjector other
> > than the prettier web interface and a different form factor.  Heck,
> > until just recently the RackInjector didn't have SNMP and the older
> > hardware did.
> >
> > The reason why I asked what product you were referring to is the only
> > shortcoming of the din rail form factor has been the lack of
> > cambium-style sync such as is used by the 450i/450m.  We launched that
> > hardware in the RackInjector form factor because we knew we would
> > need some more engineering work to be done to be able to fit it back
> > in the power injector case.   We also wanted to make sure it could
> > work standalone (without a base unit) and run off of either + or -
> > supplies.   If you sniff around on the PacketFlux website over the
> > next few days I have a feeling you'll find a cambium sync version of
> > the PowerInjector which appears sometime shortly before WISPAPALOOZA,
> > with shipments starting 30-45 days after.
> >
> > The SiteMonitor III is going to be a while later.   We have 2
> > additional updated products launching at WISPAPALOOZA, all of which
> > are a result of the engineering which was done for the above product.
> >   Specifically the SiteMontior single port din rail mount injector and
> > the 5 channel PDU are both now polarity agnostic.   There might be
> > another couple of products which come out in short succession
> > afterwards, depending on how testing on prototype boards goes. But
> > this has all taken time away from the Base III, which sort of has been
> > put on the back burner until we can clear these other products out.
>
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