Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[TJ Trout]

7.3 =)

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What engine does that have?
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I have a 2003 f450 with a terex tl38p it's one of the largest reach booms
>> available on a pickup truck, it's a shame California won't let me drive it
>> anymore, was thinking of selling it out of state and getting a towable boom
>> lift. It has a new interior and has been well kept if anyone is interested
>> in it.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:32 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> One I've been looking at is a hybrid, which I'm assuming can come along
>>> with a lot of electronic issues.  It does, however, mean that the engine
>>> hasn't been idling too much as the bucket can run with the engine off.  The
>>> PTO hours on this one are less than 60.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:50 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 We have one on an International Chassis (4300 I think).   It’s just
 under CDL for Ohio (25990lbl rating).   The chassis is massive compared to
 the F550 class, gets horrible mileage, is expensive to repair, but is very
 durable.  Wear items like brakes, tires, etc. last a very long time.

 They are built for trucking service and running a million miles before
 they need much other than routine maintenance.   You will wear out the
 engine at 150k miles from all the idling, the rest of the parts on the
 truck will barely be broken in.

 Pay close attention to the number of hours on the engine and you can
 mostly ignore the mileage.   Hours * 30 will give you a rough equivalent
 mileage on the engine for a bucket truck that mostly idles.

 If you can get an older truck without DEF and other emissions equipment
 it will run much longer than anything new.   Idling is very hard on the
 newer diesels and the manufacturers haven’t figured it out yet.   Or buy a
 gas truck.   The 8.1L GM engines are great engines, run a long time, and
 are inexpensive to rebuild when the time comes.

 Mark

 On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:30 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
 p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

 An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans
 at all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
 they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks
 with the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
 You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've
 seen them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
 thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need
 it, it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
 paying attention.

 For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of
 larger, CDL bucket trucks.

 On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a
> medium duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably
> cheaper than the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[Jason McKemie]

What engine does that have?

On Friday, September 17, 2021, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I have a 2003 f450 with a terex tl38p it's one of the largest reach booms
> available on a pickup truck, it's a shame California won't let me drive it
> anymore, was thinking of selling it out of state and getting a towable boom
> lift. It has a new interior and has been well kept if anyone is interested
> in it.
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:32 AM Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> One I've been looking at is a hybrid, which I'm assuming can come along
>> with a lot of electronic issues.  It does, however, mean that the engine
>> hasn't been idling too much as the bucket can run with the engine off.  The
>> PTO hours on this one are less than 60.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:50 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> We have one on an International Chassis (4300 I think).   It’s just
>>> under CDL for Ohio (25990lbl rating).   The chassis is massive compared to
>>> the F550 class, gets horrible mileage, is expensive to repair, but is very
>>> durable.  Wear items like brakes, tires, etc. last a very long time.
>>>
>>> They are built for trucking service and running a million miles before
>>> they need much other than routine maintenance.   You will wear out the
>>> engine at 150k miles from all the idling, the rest of the parts on the
>>> truck will barely be broken in.
>>>
>>> Pay close attention to the number of hours on the engine and you can
>>> mostly ignore the mileage.   Hours * 30 will give you a rough equivalent
>>> mileage on the engine for a bucket truck that mostly idles.
>>>
>>> If you can get an older truck without DEF and other emissions equipment
>>> it will run much longer than anything new.   Idling is very hard on the
>>> newer diesels and the manufacturers haven’t figured it out yet.   Or buy a
>>> gas truck.   The 8.1L GM engines are great engines, run a long time, and
>>> are inexpensive to rebuild when the time comes.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:30 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
>>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
>>> all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
>>> they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks
>>> with the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
>>> You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've
>>> seen them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
>>> thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need
>>> it, it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
>>> paying attention.
>>>
>>> For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
>>> CDL bucket trucks.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a
 medium duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably
 cheaper than the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?

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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[TJ Trout]

I have a 2003 f450 with a terex tl38p it's one of the largest reach booms
available on a pickup truck, it's a shame California won't let me drive it
anymore, was thinking of selling it out of state and getting a towable boom
lift. It has a new interior and has been well kept if anyone is interested
in it.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:32 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> One I've been looking at is a hybrid, which I'm assuming can come along
> with a lot of electronic issues.  It does, however, mean that the engine
> hasn't been idling too much as the bucket can run with the engine off.  The
> PTO hours on this one are less than 60.
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:50 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> We have one on an International Chassis (4300 I think).   It’s just under
>> CDL for Ohio (25990lbl rating).   The chassis is massive compared to the
>> F550 class, gets horrible mileage, is expensive to repair, but is very
>> durable.  Wear items like brakes, tires, etc. last a very long time.
>>
>> They are built for trucking service and running a million miles before
>> they need much other than routine maintenance.   You will wear out the
>> engine at 150k miles from all the idling, the rest of the parts on the
>> truck will barely be broken in.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the number of hours on the engine and you can
>> mostly ignore the mileage.   Hours * 30 will give you a rough equivalent
>> mileage on the engine for a bucket truck that mostly idles.
>>
>> If you can get an older truck without DEF and other emissions equipment
>> it will run much longer than anything new.   Idling is very hard on the
>> newer diesels and the manufacturers haven’t figured it out yet.   Or buy a
>> gas truck.   The 8.1L GM engines are great engines, run a long time, and
>> are inexpensive to rebuild when the time comes.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:30 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
>> all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
>> they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with
>> the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
>> You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've
>> seen them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
>> thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need
>> it, it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
>> paying attention.
>>
>> For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
>> CDL bucket trucks.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a
>>> medium duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably
>>> cheaper than the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks.

One I've been looking at is a hybrid, which I'm assuming can come along
with a lot of electronic issues.  It does, however, mean that the engine
hasn't been idling too much as the bucket can run with the engine off.  The
PTO hours on this one are less than 60.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:50 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> We have one on an International Chassis (4300 I think).   It’s just under
> CDL for Ohio (25990lbl rating).   The chassis is massive compared to the
> F550 class, gets horrible mileage, is expensive to repair, but is very
> durable.  Wear items like brakes, tires, etc. last a very long time.
>
> They are built for trucking service and running a million miles before
> they need much other than routine maintenance.   You will wear out the
> engine at 150k miles from all the idling, the rest of the parts on the
> truck will barely be broken in.
>
> Pay close attention to the number of hours on the engine and you can
> mostly ignore the mileage.   Hours * 30 will give you a rough equivalent
> mileage on the engine for a bucket truck that mostly idles.
>
> If you can get an older truck without DEF and other emissions equipment it
> will run much longer than anything new.   Idling is very hard on the newer
> diesels and the manufacturers haven’t figured it out yet.   Or buy a gas
> truck.   The 8.1L GM engines are great engines, run a long time, and are
> inexpensive to rebuild when the time comes.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:30 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
> all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
> they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with
> the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
> You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've seen
> them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
> thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need it,
> it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
> paying attention.
>
> For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
> CDL bucket trucks.
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a
>> medium duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably
>> cheaper than the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have one on an International Chassis (4300 I think).   It’s just under CDL 
for Ohio (25990lbl rating).   The chassis is massive compared to the F550 
class, gets horrible mileage, is expensive to repair, but is very durable.  
Wear items like brakes, tires, etc. last a very long time.

They are built for trucking service and running a million miles before they 
need much other than routine maintenance.   You will wear out the engine at 
150k miles from all the idling, the rest of the parts on the truck will barely 
be broken in.

Pay close attention to the number of hours on the engine and you can mostly 
ignore the mileage.   Hours * 30 will give you a rough equivalent mileage on 
the engine for a bucket truck that mostly idles.

If you can get an older truck without DEF and other emissions equipment it will 
run much longer than anything new.   Idling is very hard on the newer diesels 
and the manufacturers haven’t figured it out yet.   Or buy a gas truck.   The 
8.1L GM engines are great engines, run a long time, and are inexpensive to 
rebuild when the time comes.

Mark

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:30 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at all 
> costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
> they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with the 
> 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile. 
> You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've seen 
> them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
> thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need it, 
> it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
> paying attention.
> 
> For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger, CDL 
> bucket trucks.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie 
> mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
> wrote:
> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a medium 
> duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably cheaper than 
> the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I definitely don't need a bigger truck. Things being what they are
right now though, I can actually get an international truck for $10-15K
cheaper than a F450/550 with similar reach.

On Friday, September 17, 2021, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
> all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
> they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with
> the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
> You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've seen
> them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
> thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need it,
> it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
> paying attention.
>
> For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
> CDL bucket trucks.
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a
>> medium duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably
>> cheaper than the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

[can...@believewireless.net]

An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with
the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've seen
them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need it,
it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
paying attention.

For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
CDL bucket trucks.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a medium
> duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably cheaper than
> the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
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