Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I got “asked to leave” the public school system.  So I enrolled in a community 
college and they transferred my credits to the high school.  I realized the 
first week I should have done that when I turned 14 years old.  Totally wasting 
time at high school.  

From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I was taken out of school during spring break of 7th grade by my parents 
because of religious reasons. My mother homeschooled me until graduation in 
1999. I started working at 14 inside the international airport at the time.  I 
picked up most of my social skills from working and find that public school 
people are some of the most anti-social people I’ve met.  I’m sure to some 
people home schooled people are weird because they’re able to talk to almost 
anyone. Most people now think that is weird because it’s too awkward to talk in 
public like we used to back in the day. I don’t stare at my phone when I’m in a 
public place and do my best to chat with people when possible.

 

I’m sure I’m weird to the rest of the world because I don’t curse, do drugs or 
drink alcohol but it’s whatever. I’ve done well.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

 

I mean I don't think I'm a weirdo either, but there may be evidence to the 
contrary.

On 4/7/2021 2:43 PM, jerry bickle wrote:

  Really Adam!   

   

  Jerry Bickle

  President

  RF Design Services, LLC

  Cell: 405.650.3366

  Fax: 405.330.1310

  Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com

  WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com

   

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM
  To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

   

  Exactly what a weirdo would say.

  On 4/7/2021 2:32 PM, jerry bickle wrote:

We have homeschooled out son since 7th grade.  He loves it.  Now he attends 
a local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very bright.  Public school 
wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC Charter School.  I highly recommend 
it.  It’s the fastest growing school in the state and a great option.  We’re 
also a part of a coop of other kids and my son loves that, too.  He’s not 
weird.  The other mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many positive things 
for home schooling.  I think with Covid madness and shutdowns, a lot of people 
are homeschooling anyway and finding that it works well for them.  

 

Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

 

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of the 
road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now they allow 
kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this one kid at 
lunch one time because he had the same last name as me. After he had had 
enough, he popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the 
situation and he was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw 
it, even walked by while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, 
he was done being a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we 
both understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. 
Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid 
the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day 
would be expelled, probably arrested.

We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the schools, I 
assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to be watching 
us resolve disputes because everytime something would go to far they'd swoop in 
and drag people off, otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.

 

Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really hoping I 
can find what I'm looking for

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you 
got into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give y

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah, I got punched in the eye once by the kid who had finally had enough.  I 
am sure I deserved it.  

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I was standing in line at the cafeteria and KidA starting giving KidB a bad 
time.  KidB usually dressed funny and was the meek-quiet-type.  He took the 
haranguing for about 5 minutes and then broke KidA's nose.  He went way up on 
the popularity chart and everyone suddenly had a lot of respect for KidB.  KidA 
was out cold and got a stout-swift-kick from everyone who saw it happen.


On 4/7/21 11:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of the 
road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now they allow 
kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this one kid at 
lunch one time because he had the same last name as me. After he had had 
enough, he popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the 
situation and he was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw 
it, even walked by while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, 
he was done being a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we 
both understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. 
Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid 
the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day 
would be expelled, probably arrested. 
  We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the schools, I 
assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to be watching 
us resolve disputes because everytime something would go to far they'd swoop in 
and drag people off, otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.

  Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really hoping I 
can find what I'm looking for

  On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got 
into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you would 
would duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on 
top.  Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess for fun at 
times.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an 
adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under 
control.  Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and they're 
somewhat restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid 
A gets asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B. 


That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's 
mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring could 
have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife said to 
hell with NY schools.



On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:

  So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?



  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
      To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options



  They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little 
weird to effin cray-cray.



  There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are 
usually fairly sane.



  The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children 
from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the less 
crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and young 
earth creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with secular 
sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like 
evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution. 



  There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of 
weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by 
definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't 
worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just fine 
with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make something 
they can eat when they come over.



  There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" not

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Andy Trimmell]

I was taken out of school during spring break of 7th grade by my parents 
because of religious reasons. My mother homeschooled me until graduation in 
1999. I started working at 14 inside the international airport at the time.  I 
picked up most of my social skills from working and find that public school 
people are some of the most anti-social people I’ve met.  I’m sure to some 
people home schooled people are weird because they’re able to talk to almost 
anyone. Most people now think that is weird because it’s too awkward to talk in 
public like we used to back in the day. I don’t stare at my phone when I’m in a 
public place and do my best to chat with people when possible.

 

I’m sure I’m weird to the rest of the world because I don’t curse, do drugs or 
drink alcohol but it’s whatever. I’ve done well.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

 

I mean I don't think I'm a weirdo either, but there may be evidence to the 
contrary.

On 4/7/2021 2:43 PM, jerry bickle wrote:

Really Adam!   

 

Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com> 

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com <http://www.rfdesignservices.com/> 

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  on 
behalf of Adam Moffett  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>   
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

 

Exactly what a weirdo would say.

On 4/7/2021 2:32 PM, jerry bickle wrote:

We have homeschooled out son since 7th grade.  He loves it.  
Now he attends a local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very bright.  
Public school wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC Charter School.  I 
highly recommend it.  It’s the fastest growing school in the state and a great 
option.  We’re also a part of a coop of other kids and my son loves that, too.  
He’s not weird.  The other mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many 
positive things for home schooling.  I think with Covid madness and shutdowns, 
a lot of people are homeschooling anyway and finding that it works well for 
them.  

 

Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com 
<mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com> 

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfdesignservices.com_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=GNXCYCm3nc1YJYxTo3pdZP4xP3iqF48J15RXit12BZo&s=ECpw0GfoMEaBfSQSAfbFSPcL4NK5oLddk6piv_6C7C0&e=>
 

 

 

 

From: AF  
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  on behalf of Steve Jones 
 <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
            To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

 

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the 
end of the road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now 
they allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this 
one kid at lunch one time because he had the same last name as me. After he had 
had enough, he popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the 
situation and he was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw 
it, even walked by while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, 
he was done being a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we 
both understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. 
Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid 
the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day 
would be expelled, probably arrested.

We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the 
schools, I assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to 
b

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

I mean I don't think I'm a weirdo either, but there may be evidence to 
the contrary.


On 4/7/2021 2:43 PM, jerry bickle wrote:


Really Adam!

Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com <http://www.rfdesignservices.com/>

*From: *AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM
*To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Exactly what a weirdo would say.

On 4/7/2021 2:32 PM, jerry bickle wrote:

We have homeschooled out son since 7^th grade.  He loves it.  Now
he attends a local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very
bright.  Public school wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC
Charter School.  I highly recommend it.  It’s the 

fastest growing

school in the state and a great option.  We’re also a part of a
coop of other kids and my son loves that, too.  He’s not weird. 
The other mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many positive
things for home schooling.  I think with Covid madness and
shutdowns, a lot of people are homeschooling anyway and finding
that it works well for them.

Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com

<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfdesignservices.com_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=GNXCYCm3nc1YJYxTo3pdZP4xP3iqF48J15RXit12BZo&s=ECpw0GfoMEaBfSQSAfbFSPcL4NK5oLddk6piv_6C7C0&e=>

*From: *AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones
 <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Date: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
    *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end
of the road for teachers being allowed to handle business
properly.  Now they allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody
else. I was messing with this one kid at lunch one time because he
had the same last name as me. After he had had enough, he popped
me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the situation
and he was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers
saw it, even walked by while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I
was being a bully, he was done being a bully, he addressed it
using terms that were clear and we both understood. The teachers
saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. Today I probably
would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid the
bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled
cheese day would be expelled, probably arrested.

We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the
schools, I assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers.
They had to be watching us resolve disputes because everytime
something would go to far they'd swoop in and drag people off,
otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.

Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really
hoping I can find what I'm looking for

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing
gloves.  If you got into a fight an old navy boxing teacher
would give you both gloves you would would duke it out.  I
thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on top.
Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess
for fun at times.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM

    *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid
B then an adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a
headlock until he's under control.  Today, they aren't allowed
to physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat restricted
in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid 

A

gets asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid
B. Kid A's mom was president of the PTA and refused t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[jerry bickle]

Really Adam!

Jerry Bickle
President
RF Design Services, LLC
Cell: 405.650.3366
Fax: 405.330.1310
Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com<mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>
WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com<http://www.rfdesignservices.com/>



From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


Exactly what a weirdo would say.
On 4/7/2021 2:32 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
We have homeschooled out son since 7th grade.  He loves it.  Now he attends a 
local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very bright.  Public school 
wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC Charter School.  I highly recommend 
it.  It’s the fastest growing school in the state and a great option.  We’re 
also a part of a coop of other kids and my son loves that, too.  He’s not 
weird.  The other mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many positive things 
for home schooling.  I think with Covid madness and shutdowns, a lot of people 
are homeschooling anyway and finding that it works well for them.

Jerry Bickle
President
RF Design Services, LLC
Cell: 405.650.3366
Fax: 405.330.1310
Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com<mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>
WEB: 
www.rfdesignservices.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfdesignservices.com_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=GNXCYCm3nc1YJYxTo3pdZP4xP3iqF48J15RXit12BZo&s=ECpw0GfoMEaBfSQSAfbFSPcL4NK5oLddk6piv_6C7C0&e=>



From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of 
Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of the road 
for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now they allow kids 
like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this one kid at lunch 
one time because he had the same last name as me. After he had had enough, he 
popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the situation and he 
was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by 
while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, he was done being a 
bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we both understood. The 
teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. Today I probably 
would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid the bill, that 
poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day would be expelled, 
probably arrested.
We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the schools, I 
assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to be watching 
us resolve disputes because everytime something would go to far they'd swoop in 
and drag people off, otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.

Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really hoping I can 
find what I'm looking for

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got into 
a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you would would 
duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on top.  
Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an adult 
would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under control.  
Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat 
restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets 
asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's mom 
was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring could 
have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife said to 
hell with NY schools.


On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:
So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


They do trend weird.  In fact, I'

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

Exactly what a weirdo would say.

On 4/7/2021 2:32 PM, jerry bickle wrote:


We have homeschooled out son since 7^th grade.  He loves it.  
Now he 
attends a local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very 
bright.  Public school wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC 
Charter School.  I highly recommend it.  It’s the fastest growing 
school in the state and a great option.  We’re also a part 
of a coop 
of other kids and my son loves that, too.  He’s not weird.  The other 
mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many positive things for home 
schooling.  I think with Covid madness and shutdowns, a lot of people 
are homeschooling anyway and finding that it works well for them.


Jerry Bickle

President

RF Design Services, LLC

Cell: 405.650.3366

Fax: 405.330.1310

Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>

WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com <http://www.rfdesignservices.com/>

*From: *AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of 
the road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now 
they allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing 
with this one kid at lunch one time because he had the same last name 
as me. After he had had enough, he popped me in the nose, probably 
broke it, but it resolved the situation and he was able to finish his 
grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by while I 
mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, he was done being 
a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we both 
understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it 
alone. Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school 
would have paid the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili 
and grilled cheese day would be expelled, probably arrested.


We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the 
schools, I assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. 
They had to be watching us resolve disputes because everytime 
something would go to far they'd swoop in and drag people off, 
otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.


Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really 
hoping I can find what I'm looking for


On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  

If

you got into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you
both gloves you would would duke it out.  I thought it was great
fun.  But I generally came out on top. Literally.  I would borrow
the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B
then an adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock
until he's under control.  Today, they aren't allowed to
physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat restricted in what
they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets asked
nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B.
Kid A's mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her
special offspring could have done anything wrong.  School did both
jack and shit.  So my wife said to hell with NY schools.

On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:

So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your
nudism?

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range
from a little weird to effin cray-cray.

There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the
school can't accommodate. Like an extreme allergy or an
unusual disability.  These are usually fairly sane.

The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their
children from the perils of the sinful world around them, and
those are some of the less crazy ones.  However, some of the
religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth creationists
who don't want their children brainwashed with secular
sciences and/or have a persecution complex. The school teaches
facts like evolution and the ear

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[jerry bickle]

We have homeschooled out son since 7th grade.  He loves it.  Now he attends a 
local VoTech engineering academy as well.  He’s very bright.  Public school 
wasn’t working for him.  He loves the EPIC Charter School.  I highly recommend 
it.  It’s the fastest growing school in the state and a great option.  We’re 
also a part of a coop of other kids and my son loves that, too.  He’s not 
weird.  The other mom’s and kids aren’t weird.  There are many positive things 
for home schooling.  I think with Covid madness and shutdowns, a lot of people 
are homeschooling anyway and finding that it works well for them.

Jerry Bickle
President
RF Design Services, LLC
Cell: 405.650.3366
Fax: 405.330.1310
Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com<mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>
WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com<http://www.rfdesignservices.com/>



From: AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of the road 
for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now they allow kids 
like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this one kid at lunch 
one time because he had the same last name as me. After he had had enough, he 
popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it resolved the situation and he 
was able to finish his grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by 
while I mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, he was done being a 
bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we both understood. The 
teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it alone. Today I probably 
would have been taken to an ER and the school would have paid the bill, that 
poor kid that was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day would be expelled, 
probably arrested.
We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the schools, I 
assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to be watching 
us resolve disputes because everytime something would go to far they'd swoop in 
and drag people off, otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.

Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really hoping I can 
find what I'm looking for

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got into 
a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you would would 
duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on top.  
Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an adult 
would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under control.  
Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat 
restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets 
asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's mom 
was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring could 
have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife said to 
hell with NY schools.


On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:
So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little weird 
to effin cray-cray.



There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are 
usually fairly sane.



The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children from the 
perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the less crazy 
ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth 
creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with secular sciences 
and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like evolution and 
the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution.



There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of 
weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by 
definition, weird.  They're generally relat

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Jan-GAMs]

I was standing in line at the cafeteria and KidA starting giving KidB a 
bad time.  KidB usually dressed funny and was the meek-quiet-type.  He 
took the haranguing for about 5 minutes and then broke KidA's nose.  He 
went way up on the popularity chart and everyone suddenly had a lot of 
respect for KidB.  KidA was out cold and got a stout-swift-kick from 
everyone who saw it happen.


On 4/7/21 11:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of 
the road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now 
they allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing 
with this one kid at lunch one time because he had the same last name 
as me. After he had had enough, he popped me in the nose, probably 
broke it, but it resolved the situation and he was able to finish his 
grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by while I 
mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, he was done being 
a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we both 
understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it 
alone. Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school 
would have paid the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili 
and grilled cheese day would be expelled, probably arrested.
We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the 
schools, I assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. 
They had to be watching us resolve disputes because everytime 
something would go to far they'd swoop in and drag people off, 
otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.


Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really 
hoping I can find what I'm looking for


On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If
you got into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you
both gloves you would would duke it out.  I thought it was great
fun.  But I generally came out on top.  Literally.  I would borrow
the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B
then an adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock
until he's under control.  Today, they aren't allowed to
physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat restricted in what
they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets asked
nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B.
Kid A's mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her
special offspring could have done anything wrong.  School did both
jack and shit.  So my wife said to hell with NY schools.

On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:


So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your
nudism?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a
little weird to effin cray-cray.

There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school
can't accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual
disability. These are usually fairly sane.

The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their
children from the perils of the sinful world around them, and
those are some of the less crazy ones.  However, some of the
religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth creationists who
don't want their children brainwashed with secular sciences
and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like
evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution.

There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school
system won't accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or
almost any other kind of weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not
judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by definition, weird. 
They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't worry
about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along
just fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make
sure to make something they can eat when they come over.

There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions
about how school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for
example.   If you read about unschooling I think it's 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

I will say the religious homeschool co-ops (of any faith) tend to have 
very well behaved children.  I think the core of it is they set a 
consequence and then stick to it.  It's not about corporal punishment or 
physical intervention so much, but I think knowing that option is on the 
table does help.  When that's not an option then the only thing that 
keeps a kid in line is their own tolerance for not being liked.  If they 
don't care what anybody thinks then they can do whatever they want.


I'm not a subject matter expertjust a guy BS'ing on the Internet.  
So that theory is worth everything you paid for it.



On 4/7/2021 2:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of 
the road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now 
they allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing 
with this one kid at lunch one time because he had the same last name 
as me. After he had had enough, he popped me in the nose, probably 
broke it, but it resolved the situation and he was able to finish his 
grilled cheese in peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by while I 
mopped my nose. It was simple, I was being a bully, he was done being 
a bully, he addressed it using terms that were clear and we both 
understood. The teachers saw that it had been satisfied and left it 
alone. Today I probably would have been taken to an ER and the school 
would have paid the bill, that poor kid that was just enjoying chili 
and grilled cheese day would be expelled, probably arrested.
We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the 
schools, I assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. 
They had to be watching us resolve disputes because everytime 
something would go to far they'd swoop in and drag people off, 
otherwise problems simply got solved in those lots.


Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really 
hoping I can find what I'm looking for


On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If
you got into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you
both gloves you would would duke it out.  I thought it was great
fun.  But I generally came out on top.  Literally.  I would borrow
the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B
then an adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock
until he's under control.  Today, they aren't allowed to
physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat restricted in what
they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets asked
nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B.
Kid A's mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her
special offspring could have done anything wrong.  School did both
jack and shit.  So my wife said to hell with NY schools.

On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:


So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your
nudism?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a
little weird to effin cray-cray.

There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school
can't accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual
disability. These are usually fairly sane.

The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their
children from the perils of the sinful world around them, and
those are some of the less crazy ones.  However, some of the
religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth creationists who
don't want their children brainwashed with secular sciences
and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like
evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution.

There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school
system won't accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or
almost any other kind of weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not
judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by definition, weird. 
They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't worry
about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along
just fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make
sure to make so

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Steve Jones]

I got thumped and choked by a few teachers, I was right at the end of the
road for teachers being allowed to handle business properly.  Now they
allow kids like i was to disrupt everybody else. I was messing with this
one kid at lunch one time because he had the same last name as me. After he
had had enough, he popped me in the nose, probably broke it, but it
resolved the situation and he was able to finish his grilled cheese in
peace. Teachers saw it, even walked by while I mopped my nose. It was
simple, I was being a bully, he was done being a bully, he addressed it
using terms that were clear and we both understood. The teachers saw that
it had been satisfied and left it alone. Today I probably would have been
taken to an ER and the school would have paid the bill, that poor kid that
was just enjoying chili and grilled cheese day would be expelled, probably
arrested.
We didnt have gloves, we had an open lot across from two of the schools, I
assume after school theater was a pastime for teachers. They had to be
watching us resolve disputes because everytime something would go to far
they'd swoop in and drag people off, otherwise problems simply got solved
in those lots.

Public schools are too dangerous now and too political. I'm really hoping I
can find what I'm looking for

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got
> into a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you
> would would duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came
> out on top.  Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess
> for fun at times.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
>
>
> Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.
>
> When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an
> adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under
> control.  Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and
> they're somewhat restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.
> So today Kid A gets asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.
>
> That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's
> mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring
> could have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife
> said to hell with NY schools.
>
>
> On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
>
>
>
> They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little
> weird to effin cray-cray.
>
>
>
> There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't
> accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are
> usually fairly sane.
>
>
>
> The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children
> from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the
> less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and
> young earth creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with
> secular sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches
> facts like evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's
> persecution.
>
>
>
> There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't
> accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of
> weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by
> definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't
> worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just
> fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make
> something they can eat when they come over.
>
>
>
> There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how
> school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read
> about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the
> right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result
> in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling"
> curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.
>
>
>
> And finally, just t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[James Howard]

Sounds like you were kidA……

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got into 
a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you would would 
duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on top.  
Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an adult 
would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under control.  
Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat 
restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets 
asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.

That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's mom 
was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring could 
have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife said to 
hell with NY schools.


On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:
So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little weird 
to effin cray-cray.



There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are 
usually fairly sane.



The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children from the 
perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the less crazy 
ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth 
creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with secular sciences 
and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like evolution and 
the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution.



There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of 
weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by 
definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't 
worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just fine 
with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make something 
they can eat when they come over.



There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how 
school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read about 
unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the right 
type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result in a kid 
who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling" curriculum is video 
games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.



And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home school 
family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see, school is full 
of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's nobody to see the 
evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).



So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool families just 
be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear some weird shit.





-Adam






On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Chuck McCown via AF]

When I was in school in the 60s and 70s, we had boxing gloves.  If you got into 
a fight an old navy boxing teacher would give you both gloves you would would 
duke it out.  I thought it was great fun.  But I generally came out on top.  
Literally.  I would borrow the gloves and fight during recess for fun at times. 
 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an adult 
would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under control.  
Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and they're somewhat 
restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.  So today Kid A gets 
asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B. 


That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's mom 
was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring could 
have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife said to 
hell with NY schools.



On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:

  So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

   

  They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little 
weird to effin cray-cray.

   

  There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are 
usually fairly sane.

   

  The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children from 
the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the less 
crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and young 
earth creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with secular 
sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like 
evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution. 

   

  There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of 
weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by 
definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't 
worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just fine 
with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make something 
they can eat when they come over.

   

  There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how 
school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read about 
unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the right 
type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result in a kid 
who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling" curriculum is video 
games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.

   

  And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home school 
family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see, school is full 
of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's nobody to see the 
evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).

   

  So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool families 
just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear some weird shit.

   

   

  -Adam

   

   

   

  On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Home schooled kids trend weird. 

 

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

 

-or-

 

Are they weird because they were home schooled?

 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to send 
back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all the 
covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have obvious 
union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont want to play 
that game again the coming year. 

 

Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating witho

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Steve Jones]

That's a large part of why I'm looking also.
If you look back, kid b is what becomes school shooters and miscreants. My
kid already had a sitdown with dad and the resource officer about certain
jokes.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:45 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.
>
> When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an
> adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's under
> control.  Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, and
> they're somewhat restricted in what they're even allowed to say to them.
> So today Kid A gets asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.
>
> That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's
> mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special offspring
> could have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and shit.  So my wife
> said to hell with NY schools.
>
>
> On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of * Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
>
>
>
> They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little
> weird to effin cray-cray.
>
>
>
> There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't
> accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are
> usually fairly sane.
>
>
>
> The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children
> from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the
> less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and
> young earth creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with
> secular sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches
> facts like evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's
> persecution.
>
>
>
> There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't
> accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of
> weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by
> definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't
> worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just
> fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make
> something they can eat when they come over.
>
>
>
> There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how
> school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read
> about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the
> right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result
> in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling"
> curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.
>
>
>
> And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home
> school family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see,
> school is full of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's
> nobody to see the evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).
>
>
>
> So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool families
> just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear some weird
> shit.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Home schooled kids trend weird.
>
>
>
> Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?
>
>
>
> -or-
>
>
>
> Are they weird because they were home schooled?
>
>
>
>
>
> -
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

Why I'm there is another tangent and another category.

When I was in school in the 80's, if Kid A was wailing on Kid B then an 
adult would step in and probably put Kid A in a headlock until he's 
under control.  Today, they aren't allowed to physically touch the kids, 
and they're somewhat restricted in what they're even allowed to say to 
them.  So today Kid A gets asked nicely to please stop doing that to Kid B.


That's all fine and good unless you're Kid B.  My son was Kid B. Kid A's 
mom was president of the PTA and refused to believe her special 
offspring could have done anything wrong.  School did both jack and 
shit.  So my wife said to hell with NY schools.



On 4/7/2021 1:36 PM, James Howard wrote:


So you tolerate the vegan’s diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a 
little weird to effin cray-cray.


There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school 
can't accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  
These are usually fairly sane.


The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children 
from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of 
the less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are 
flat-earthers and young earth creationists who don't want their 
children brainwashed with secular sciences and/or have a persecution 
complex.  The school teaches facts like evolution and the earth being 
round, so therefore it's persecution.


There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system 
won't accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any 
other kind of weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin 
that they are, by definition, weird. They're generally relatively safe 
and normal.  I don't worry about them doing or saying anything too 
insane, and I get along just fine with the vegans in particular.  You 
just have to make sure to make something they can eat when they come over.


There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about 
how school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you 
read about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work 
well for the right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  
It also may result in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because 
his "un-schooling" curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, 
but only a little.


And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home 
school family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see, 
school is full of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then 
there's nobody to see the evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).


So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool 
families just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear 
some weird shit.


-Adam

On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



-
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<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not
to send back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the
upcoming year with all the covid games and politicking going on.
The schools we deal with have obvious union pressure to have
ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont want to play that game
again the coming year.

Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any
good solutions? Im looking for instru

Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Steve Jones]

Theres a co-op in the town I work, they're outstanding, apostolic
Christian's, but not the creepy ones. Those kids speak multiple languages,
are educated to collegiate levels by middle school, are pretty well
rounded, definitely not vegans. By today's standards, they may skirt some
mandated reporting, I assume many of the homes dont spare the rod. I'd give
my left arm for the kids to be in that, but neither my wife or I have the
skills required of one of the parents, plus we are heathens.
Most of these kids get their diploma equivalent and start businesses,
mostly successful,many even stay with the church.

I think I'd feel safer around a flat earther than a vegan though

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little
> weird to effin cray-cray.
>
>
> There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't
> accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are
> usually fairly sane.
>
>
> The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children
> from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the
> less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and
> young earth creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with
> secular sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches
> facts like evolution and the earth being round, so therefore it's
> persecution.
>
>
> There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't
> accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of
> weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by
> definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't
> worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just
> fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make
> something they can eat when they come over.
>
>
> There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how
> school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read
> about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the
> right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result
> in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling"
> curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.
>
>
> And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home
> school family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see,
> school is full of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's
> nobody to see the evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).
>
>
> So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool families
> just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear some weird
> shit.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
> On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Home schooled kids trend weird.
>
> Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?
>
> -or-
>
> Are they weird because they were home schooled?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
>
> I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to send
> back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all
> the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have
> obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont
> want to play that game again the coming year.
>
> Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good
> solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating without
> beatings isnt something im really capable of.
>
> there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing and
> i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois
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[James Howard]

So you tolerate the vegan's diet as long as they tolerate your nudism?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options


They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little weird 
to effin cray-cray.



There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These are 
usually fairly sane.



The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children from the 
perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of the less crazy 
ones.  However, some of the religious ones are flat-earthers and young earth 
creationists who don't want their children brainwashed with secular sciences 
and/or have a persecution complex.  The school teaches facts like evolution and 
the earth being round, so therefore it's persecution.



There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind of 
weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they are, by 
definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and normal.  I don't 
worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, and I get along just fine 
with the vegans in particular.  You just have to make sure to make something 
they can eat when they come over.



There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about how 
school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you read about 
unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well for the right 
type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also may result in a kid 
who's 12 and can't friggin read because his "un-schooling" curriculum is video 
games and TV.I exaggerate, but only a little.



And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home school 
family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see, school is full 
of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's nobody to see the 
evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).



So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool families just 
be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear some weird shit.





-Adam






On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
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to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all the covid 
games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have obvious union 
pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont want to play that 
game again the coming year.

Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

I'm at risk of overemphasizing the crazies.  Most of the homeschoolers 
I've met are just a little weird, and maybe 5-10% are lunatics.  There 
might be a similar lunatic ratio in public school, but maybe you just 
don't meet as many of the other parents in public school.



On 4/7/2021 1:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a 
little weird to effin cray-cray.



There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school 
can't accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  
These are usually fairly sane.



The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children 
from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of 
the less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are 
flat-earthers and young earth creationists who don't want their 
children brainwashed with secular sciences and/or have a persecution 
complex.  The school teaches facts like evolution and the earth being 
round, so therefore it's persecution.



There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system 
won't accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any 
other kind of weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin 
that they are, by definition, weird. They're generally relatively safe 
and normal.  I don't worry about them doing or saying anything too 
insane, and I get along just fine with the vegans in particular.  You 
just have to make sure to make something they can eat when they come over.



There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about 
how school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you 
read about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work 
well for the right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  
It also may result in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because 
his "un-schooling" curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, 
but only a little.



And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home 
school family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers.  You see, 
school is full of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then 
there's nobody to see the evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).



So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool 
families just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear 
some weird shit.




-Adam




On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to 
send back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year 
with all the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we 
deal with have obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote 
curriculum failed, dont want to play that game again the coming year.


Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating 
without beatings isnt something im really capable of.


there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty 
pricing and i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

They do trend weird.  In fact, I'd say homeschoolers range from a little 
weird to effin cray-cray.



There are some whose kids have weird health conditions the school can't 
accommodate.  Like an extreme allergy or an unusual disability.  These 
are usually fairly sane.



The religious homeschoolers are often trying to protect their children 
from the perils of the sinful world around them, and those are some of 
the less crazy ones.  However, some of the religious ones are 
flat-earthers and young earth creationists who don't want their children 
brainwashed with secular sciences and/or have a persecution complex.  
The school teaches facts like evolution and the earth being round, so 
therefore it's persecution.



There are also people with weird lifestyles that the school system won't 
accommodate.  These could be vegans, nudists, or almost any other kind 
of weirdo you can imagine.  I'm not judging, I'm just sayin that they 
are, by definition, weird.  They're generally relatively safe and 
normal.  I don't worry about them doing or saying anything too insane, 
and I get along just fine with the vegans in particular.  You just have 
to make sure to make something they can eat when they come over.



There are some who have, shall we say, "less mainstream" notions about 
how school should work.  "Radical un-schooling" for example.   If you 
read about unschooling I think it's a method that really could work well 
for the right type of curious and self-motivated kid & parent.  It also 
may result in a kid who's 12 and can't friggin read because his 
"un-schooling" curriculum is video games and TV.I exaggerate, but 
only a little.



And finally, just to put the fear of God into you, there was one home 
school family in the co-op who I suspect are child abusers. You see, 
school is full of mandated reporters, but if you're at home then there's 
nobody to see the evidence (and I won't elaborate on this).



So if you join a co-op or otherwise link up with other homeschool 
families just be sure to practice your poker face, because you'll hear 
some weird shit.




-Adam




On 4/7/2021 1:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



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*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to 
send back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year 
with all the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal 
with have obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum 
failed, dont want to play that game again the coming year.


Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating 
without beatings isnt something im really capable of.


there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing 
and i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Steve Jones]

Most of the adults I know who were homeschooled can buy and sell me or are
happily active in church circles and doing well.

Probably were weird kids though. Kids are generally weird

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:16 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Home schooled kids trend weird.
>
> Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?
>
> -or-
>
> Are they weird because they were home schooled?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options
>
> I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to send
> back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all
> the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have
> obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont
> want to play that game again the coming year.
>
> Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good
> solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating without
> beatings isnt something im really capable of.
>
> there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing and
> i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/7/21 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Home schooled kids trend weird.

Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird?

-or-

Are they weird because they were home schooled?



Probably a little of both. Not that there weren't any weird kids in 
public school, but the homeschool kids were always a special kind of 
weird because they spent more time with their parents than with their 
peer group.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Mike Hammett]

Home schooled kids trend weird. 


Are they home schooled because they're (and their parents) are weird? 


-or- 


Are they weird because they were home schooled? 




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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:29:16 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options 


I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to send back 
to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all the covid 
games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have obvious union 
pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont want to play that 
game again the coming year. 


Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating without 
beatings isnt something im really capable of. 


there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing and i 
couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Steve Jones]

My neice was "homeschooled" At the time at least, oversight was more of a
word than an actual thing. she, luckily was self motivated enough to
actually do the work. My kids arent that motivated, and im not a good
technical instructor of children. There are a few programs people have
recommended, that they use, but some are too inexpensive to trust, some are
too religious, etc.
Im tempted with my boy to just have him drop out, adjudicate him so he can
get his GED and go to trade school or community college now.

I have two inbound kids in the next few years, but I think the plague
politics will be gone by the time they get there, but then again, theyll be
hitting school entry during the next election, so i cant hold my breath.

google search is an ad nightmare.

My older daughter has some intervention courses she participates in, so I
need to be mindful of that, but I personally think the intervention was
required because of the cookie cutter approach in public school. We have
two private schools here, but theyre under the thumb of the plague politics
as well, so theres no gain in that.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I may have failed to make my point.  My point was an online homeschool
> program is probably illegal in NY because the parent is not doing the
> instruction.
> On 4/7/2021 11:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> My kids are home-schooled.
>
> In NY you can pay for private tutors if you want to, but the
> parent/guardians have to provide a certain percentage of the instruction (I
> want to say >50%).  They don't want some scheister to start a private
> school and pretend they're "homeschooling" to avoid oversight on the
> school.  You have to submit an instruction plan to a bureaucrat who
> approves it (or tells you what to fix).  You then have to submit quarterly
> reports on the kids' progress on the instruction plan.  There are minimum
> standards your plan has to meet, like so many hours of PE and so many hours
> of American History, etc etc.  The way they catch people paying someone
> else to teach the home-school kids is when they're dumb enough to submit
> the exact same instruction plan for multiple, unrelated kids.  So if you
> have to cheat this, at least make sure your accomplice is smart.
>
> I know in PA they have less reporting than in NY, but they do home visits
> and want to see copies of school work the kids have done.  I've heard that
> in TX there's very little oversight.   I've heard you just tell them you're
> homeschooling and they leave you alone, but I don't know if that's fact or
> just crap people say.
>
> but literally every state does this differently.  You'll have to get
> with someone who's familiar with how it works in Illinois.
>
>
> On 4/7/2021 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to send
> back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year with all
> the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal with have
> obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum failed, dont
> want to play that game again the coming year.
>
> Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good
> solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating without
> beatings isnt something im really capable of.
>
> there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing and
> i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

I may have failed to make my point.  My point was an online 
homeschool program is probably illegal in NY because the parent is not 
doing the instruction.


On 4/7/2021 11:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


My kids are home-schooled.

In NY you can pay for private tutors if you want to, but the 
parent/guardians have to provide a certain percentage of the 
instruction (I want to say >50%).  They don't want some scheister to 
start a private school and pretend they're "homeschooling" to avoid 
oversight on the school.  You have to submit an instruction plan to a 
bureaucrat who approves it (or tells you what to fix).  You then have 
to submit quarterly reports on the kids' progress on the instruction 
plan.  There are minimum standards your plan has to meet, like so many 
hours of PE and so many hours of American History, etc etc.  The way 
they catch people paying someone else to teach the home-school kids is 
when they're dumb enough to submit the exact same instruction plan for 
multiple, unrelated kids.  So if you have to cheat this, at least make 
sure your accomplice is smart.


I know in PA they have less reporting than in NY, but they do home 
visits and want to see copies of school work the kids have done.  I've 
heard that in TX there's very little oversight. I've heard you just 
tell them you're homeschooling and they leave you alone, but I don't 
know if that's fact or just crap people say.


but literally every state does this differently.  You'll have to 
get with someone who's familiar with how it works in Illinois.



On 4/7/2021 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to 
send back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year 
with all the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we 
deal with have obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote 
curriculum failed, dont want to play that game again the coming year.


Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating 
without beatings isnt something im really capable of.


there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty 
pricing and i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: online k12 homeschool options

[Adam Moffett]

My kids are home-schooled.

In NY you can pay for private tutors if you want to, but the 
parent/guardians have to provide a certain percentage of the instruction 
(I want to say >50%).  They don't want some scheister to start a private 
school and pretend they're "homeschooling" to avoid oversight on the 
school.  You have to submit an instruction plan to a bureaucrat who 
approves it (or tells you what to fix).  You then have to submit 
quarterly reports on the kids' progress on the instruction plan.  There 
are minimum standards your plan has to meet, like so many hours of PE 
and so many hours of American History, etc etc.  The way they catch 
people paying someone else to teach the home-school kids is when they're 
dumb enough to submit the exact same instruction plan for multiple, 
unrelated kids.  So if you have to cheat this, at least make sure your 
accomplice is smart.


I know in PA they have less reporting than in NY, but they do home 
visits and want to see copies of school work the kids have done.  I've 
heard that in TX there's very little oversight.   I've heard you just 
tell them you're homeschooling and they leave you alone, but I don't 
know if that's fact or just crap people say.


but literally every state does this differently.  You'll have to get 
with someone who's familiar with how it works in Illinois.



On 4/7/2021 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have an incoming Junior and an incoming 8th grader Id prefer not to 
send back to Illinois brick and mortar for at least the upcoming year 
with all the covid games and politicking going on. The schools we deal 
with have obvious union pressure to have ensured the remote curriculum 
failed, dont want to play that game again the coming year.


Have any of you personally dealt with or had customers relay any good 
solutions? Im looking for instructor led homeschool as educating 
without beatings isnt something im really capable of.


there is a BYU curriculum I looked at but that gets some hefty pricing 
and i couldn't ascertain whether its acceptable in Illinois


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