date:20150915

This guy:

"I'd say 25Mbits is the least people can use with a mostly usable internet.

And I"m saying Mbits instead of Mbps so people understand we are talking
bits, not bytes."


I need him in customer service or as a tower monkey.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:07 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

> \yes, horrible..
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
> That's bad
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:34:58 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
> It is easier to stream fish too...
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
> Burgers offend me.  I much prefer fish.  Because of my preference, you
> can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choice.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Sep 15, 2015 9:22 AM, "Wireless Administrator" 
> wrote:
>
>> A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that
>> to be the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into
>> providing this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from
>> the cows).  Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½
>> pound hamburger.  If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government
>> involved to make it possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>>
>>
>>
>> Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned
>> comments. I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps
>> seems a bit high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people -
>> myself included.
>>
>> On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>>
>> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

You're selling Jpoles???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
Inc  wrote:

> Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT
> Radios.
>
>
>
> Canopy FSK 2.4 SM
>
> Canopy FSK 5.7 SM
>
> Canopy FSK 900 APC
>
>
>
> Canopy 5280 BH50 – 3 Complete Links Available
>
> JMounts – 12 New
>
> UBNT Rocket M2 – 2 New and 1 Used
>
>
>
> We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.
>
>
>
> Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
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Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.

That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.

Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.

That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.

I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and back 
end.

Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to the last 
mile.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious check on 
those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we all know that's 
ridiculous.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Wireless Administrator" mailto:wirel...@htn.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

Steve B.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...
unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

[AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the “average” customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

2015-09-15 Thread Tyler Treat

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Brian Webster

I would also say this is a fair number, with a Netflix HD stream drawing 6 meg, 
10 would be enough that the rest of the users would not notice a big slowdown 
for other internet uses while a video stream is active.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.

 

That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.

 

Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.

 

That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.

 

I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and back 
end.

 

Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to the last 
mile.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious check on 
those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we all know that's 
ridiculous.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway  wrote:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...

unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

2015-09-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh

You want mounting feet?   Like the ones that come with Beehive or KP Dishes?

Bring a truck, how many do you want?   $5/each or make an offer.

Mark



> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> You're selling Jpoles???
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
> mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:
> Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT 
> Radios.
> 
>  
> 
> Canopy FSK 2.4 SM
> 
> Canopy FSK 5.7 SM
> 
> Canopy FSK 900 APC
> 
>  
> 
> Canopy 5280 BH50 – 3 Complete Links Available
> 
> JMounts – 12 New
> 
> UBNT Rocket M2 – 2 New and 1 Used
> 
>  
> 
> We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.
> 
>  
> 
> Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tyson Burris, President 
> Internet Communications Inc. 
> 739 Commerce Dr. 
> Franklin, IN 46131 
>   
> 317-738-0320  Daytime # 
> 317-412-1540  Cell/Direct # 
> Online: www.surfici.net 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> What can ICI do for you?
> 
> 
> Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
>   
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
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> confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
> dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
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>  
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Paul Stewart

One small comment is that for 100 customers you generally don’t need close to 
Gig.  It’s typically more like 800-1000 customers per Gig depending on your 
customer base usage and size….

 

I realize this goes without saying … and over time I think we’ll all agree that 
oversub ratios are changing all the time….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.

 

That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.

 

Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.

 

That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.

 

I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and back 
end.

 

Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to the last 
mile.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious check on 
those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we all know that's 
ridiculous.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Wireless Administrator" mailto:wirel...@htn.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...

unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

When I first started I just went with the cheapest option.  That was a bad
move.  Nowadays I shop for what works best and isn't over priced.

I'd strongly suggest just putting $99 MSRP and people will know that isn't
what you actually pay.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Tyler Treat 
wrote:

> I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.
>
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you
> see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a
> discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all?
>
> MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better
> without any prices?
>
> I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am
> pretty bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the “average” customer
> would do.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

2015-09-15 Thread Christopher Tyler

Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that price 
is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if ordering in 
higher quantities.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Treat" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

I might grab some from you down the road, with the Beams/Force110 we've had
to buy some.  I just got some boxes last month.

I was surprised he is selling his, I would think an ongoing operation would
need them.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> You want mounting feet?   Like the ones that come with Beehive or KP
> Dishes?
>
> Bring a truck, how many do you want?   $5/each or make an offer.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> You're selling Jpoles???
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
> Inc  wrote:
>
>> Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT
>> Radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Canopy FSK 2.4 SM
>>
>> Canopy FSK 5.7 SM
>>
>> Canopy FSK 900 APC
>>
>>
>>
>> Canopy 5280 BH50 – 3 Complete Links Available
>>
>> JMounts – 12 New
>>
>> UBNT Rocket M2 – 2 New and 1 Used
>>
>>
>>
>> We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.
>>
>>
>>
>> Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>
>>
>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>>
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

2015-09-15 Thread Mathew Howard

I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some
idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people
off if it's set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on
something that all the dealers sell for $29.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler <
ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that
> price is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if
> ordering in higher quantities.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tyler Treat" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?
>
> I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.
>
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
> The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you
> see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a
> discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all?
>
> MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better
> without any prices?
>
> I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am
> pretty bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer
> would do.
>

[AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

2015-09-15 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc

we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
with the pins for the rj 45?

thx

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:********, Re: Radio Equipment For Sale

Yes,

 

I have tons of them.  We don’t use them for every install.  I need to keep my 
shelf space free for new gear coming in.

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



What can ICI do for you? 


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Spam:, Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

 

You're selling Jpoles???




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> > wrote:

Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT Radios.

 

Canopy FSK 2.4 SM 

Canopy FSK 5.7 SM

Canopy FSK 900 APC

 

Canopy 5280 BH50 – 3 Complete Links Available

JMounts – 12 New

UBNT Rocket M2 – 2 New and 1 Used

 

We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.

 

Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused.  

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320   Daytime # 
317-412-1540   Cell/Direct # 
Online:   www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

2015-09-15 Thread Josh Baird

Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach 
wrote:

> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
> with the pins for the rj 45?
>
> thx
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs at 48v directly to the
PIDU?  Then use another port for actual Ethernet.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach 
> wrote:
>
>> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
>> with the pins for the rj 45?
>>
>> thx
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

2015-09-15 Thread TJ Trout

Can't you just read online or use a volt meter on your existing POE, it's
not really as complicated as you are making it out to be to identify which
POE scheme that each type of radio uses...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs at 48v directly to the
> PIDU?  Then use another port for actual Ethernet.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach > > wrote:
>>
>>> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
>>> with the pins for the rj 45?
>>>
>>> thx
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

2015-09-15 Thread TJ Trout

How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that not
the solution?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some
> idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people
> off if it's set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on
> something that all the dealers sell for $29.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that
>> price is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if
>> ordering in higher quantities.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tyler Treat" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?
>>
>> I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown > ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you
>> see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a
>> discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all?
>>
>> MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better
>> without any prices?
>>
>> I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am
>> pretty bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer
>> would do.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread David

We dont advertise our capable speeds but our techs when doing an install 
and run a speedtest to our servers, they see on average

a 26 to 30Mbs connection. This is on our pmp450 3.65 gear.
Our line of site 450 5G stuff we see around 60 70mbs.
Up streams vary but we see around 15 to 30 on average.

we have been able to move our latency down on our network to somewhere 
around 3 to 5ms before hitting google





On 09/15/2015 11:35 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


One small comment is that for 100 customers you generally don’t need 
close to Gig.  It’s typically more like 800-1000 customers per Gig 
depending on your customer base usage and size….


I realize this goes without saying … and over time I think we’ll all 
agree that oversub ratios are changing all the time….


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.

That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.

Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.

That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.

I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile 
and back end.


Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to 
the last mile.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious 
check on those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we 
all know that's ridiculous.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Wireless Administrator" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare 
that to be the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry 
into providing this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far 
away from the cows).  Additionally this should be done at or below the 
cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  If they are unable to deliver let’s get 
the government involved to make it possible.


Steve B.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned 
comments. I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 
10mbps seems a bit high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for 
most people - myself included.


On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway > wrote:


http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*/“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball.../*

*/unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"/*

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

2015-09-15 Thread Tyler Treat

Because it pisses off the dealer network.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:10 PM, TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that not the 
solution?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some idea 
what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people off if it's 
set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on something that all 
the dealers sell for $29.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler 
mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that price 
is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if ordering in 
higher quantities.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Treat" 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
 wrote:

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc

3-5ms to google from a customer?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, David  wrote:

> We dont advertise our capable speeds but our techs when doing an install
> and run a speedtest to our servers, they see on average
> a 26 to 30Mbs connection. This is on our pmp450 3.65 gear.
> Our line of site 450 5G stuff we see around 60 70mbs.
> Up streams vary but we see around 15 to 30 on average.
>
> we have been able to move our latency down on our network to somewhere
> around 3 to 5ms before hitting google
>
>
>
>
> On 09/15/2015 11:35 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
> One small comment is that for 100 customers you generally don’t need close
> to Gig.  It’s typically more like 800-1000 customers per Gig depending on
> your customer base usage and size….
>
>
>
> I realize this goes without saying … and over time I think we’ll all agree
> that oversub ratios are changing all the time….
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.
>
>
>
> That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.
>
>
>
> Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.
>
>
>
> That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.
>
>
>
> I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and
> back end.
>
>
>
> Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to the
> last mile.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious check
> on those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we all know
> that's ridiculous.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Wireless Administrator" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
> A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to
> be the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing
> this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).
> Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound
> hamburger.  If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved
> to make it possible.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned
> comments. I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps
> seems a bit high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people -
> myself included.
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>
> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

2015-09-15 Thread George Skorup


It's Friday already? Sweet!

On 9/15/2015 10:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:


Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and 
UBNT Radios.


Canopy FSK 2.4 SM

Canopy FSK 5.7 SM

Canopy FSK 900 APC

Canopy 5280 BH50 ï¿½ 3 Complete Links Available

JMounts ï¿½ 12 New

UBNT Rocket M2 ï¿½ 2 New and 1 Used

We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.

Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320 Daytime #*
*317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net*

ICI

*What can ICI do for you?*


*Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones 
- IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

2015-09-15 Thread George Skorup

This is aggregated into the standard IF-MIB via ifInErrors. That also 
gives you all the other Rx error counters. So if you're graphing that, 
you don't really know exactly which counter is causing the errors. One 
example is rxOverrun. But it's easy enough to just log into the radio 
and see what's going on. That's what I do anyway.


Would be nice if the ePMP guys could give us a CRC error counter in the 
radio GUI. If that's even possible from the hardware anyway. I assume so.


On 9/15/2015 6:23 AM, Work wrote:

Is there a OID for CRC errors on the Ethernet?? If not can we get it??

—
Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

I didn't put Qty of each, sorry about that.  Hit me up off list.  I have
tons of this stuff.

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
  
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dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
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From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc [mailto:t...@franklinisp.net]

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:44 AM
To: 'memb...@wispa.org' ; 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: Radio Equipment For Sale

 

Clearing some space out today.   All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT
Radios.

 

Canopy FSK 2.4 SM 

Canopy FSK 5.7 SM

Canopy FSK 900 APC

 

Canopy 5280 BH50 - 3 Complete Links Available

JMounts - 12 New

UBNT Rocket M2 - 2 New and 1 Used

 

We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.

 

Needing the space.  No reasonable offer refused.  

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
  
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addressee shown. It contains information that is 
confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
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prohibited.

[AFMUG] Canopy 450i AP

2015-09-15 Thread Matt

Anyone got any yet?  Deployed?

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Jason McKemie

Most people that I come into contact with realize that there are at least
some trade offs with living in rural areas - such as no Netflix HD in
certain circumstances.  I wouldn't think that would be criteria for someone
to be dissatisfied with their internet connection.  There is also a
difference between what people think they need and what they actually would
be satisfied with.  In a blind test I would bet most people would be happy
with 5 or 6 mbps down as long as the latency was low.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> I would also say this is a fair number, with a Netflix HD stream drawing 6
> meg, 10 would be enough that the rest of the users would not notice a big
> slowdown for other internet uses while a video stream is active.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now.
>
>
>
> That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours.
>
>
>
> Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available.
>
>
>
> That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts.
>
>
>
> I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and
> back end.
>
>
>
> Every one of us needs faster, cheaper trunks to connect to, closer to the
> last mile.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing...  it puts a serious check
> on those saying you must have gigabit to the home...  when we all know
> that's ridiculous.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Wireless Administrator" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
> A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to
> be the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing
> this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).
> Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound
> hamburger.  If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved
> to make it possible.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned
> comments. I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps
> seems a bit high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people -
> myself included.
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>
> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

You said it.  They sometimes price war with each other.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

Because it pisses off the dealer network.  

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___

On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that not 
the solution?

  On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some 
idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people off if 
it's set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on something 
that all the dealers sell for $29.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler 
 wrote:

  Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that 
price is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if 
ordering in higher quantities.

  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107

  - Original Message -
  From: "Tyler Treat" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

  I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.

  ___
  Mangled by my iPhone.
  ___

  Tyler Treat
  Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

  tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
  ___

  On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

  The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you 
see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a 
discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all?

  MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better 
without any prices?

  I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am 
pretty bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer 
would do.

[AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

I remember when we were paying $600/T1 so $388/Mbps

Then a few years later we though we got a screaming deal at $38 Mbps on a 100M 
pipe.  
Then $16
Then $8
Then $4 and we thought we died and gone to heaven.

Then $2 last year and wondered how low it can go.

Now, under $1.  
Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.  

It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Port sizes have also grown tremendously. I wonder if the total bill has changed 
much. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:35:29 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges 




I remember when we were paying $600/T1 so $388/Mbps 

Then a few years later we though we got a screaming deal at $38 Mbps on a 100M 
pipe. 
Then $16 
Then $8 
Then $4 and we thought we died and gone to heaven. 

Then $2 last year and wondered how low it can go. 

Now, under $1. 
Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1. 

It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Rj45 has never changed I don't think.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sep 15, 2015 6:44 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Port sizes have also grown tremendously. I wonder if the total bill has
> changed much.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:35:29 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Bandwidth charges
>
> I remember when we were paying $600/T1 so $388/Mbps
>
> Then a few years later we though we got a screaming deal at $38 Mbps on a
> 100M pipe.
> Then $16
> Then $8
> Then $4 and we thought we died and gone to heaven.
>
> Then $2 last year and wondered how low it can go.
>
> Now, under $1.
> Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.
>
> It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

2015-09-15 Thread Cassidy B. Larson


What port size, and commit?  Carrier?

> Now, under $1.
> Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.
> 
> It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

I have a neighbor that is paying about 75 cents from Hurricane Electric.
10 Gig port.
1 Gig commit.  

Not gonna say where I am getting mine for various reasons.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

What port size, and commit?  Carrier?

  Now, under $1.  
  Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.  

  It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

[AFMUG] wind mill farm question

2015-09-15 Thread Tim Reichhart

Guys
I just want to know if I am going have any issues with placing tower around an 
wind mill farm or not? I just want to know if I am going have interference or 
getting signal to customers from tower going through an wind mill farm?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question

2015-09-15 Thread Ken Hohhof

I estimate we take a momentary 1-2 dB hit each time a fiberglass blade goes 
through the path.  Oddly, they affect the signal even when they are not 
directly in the path.  Cambium alignment tone makes it easy to hear this 
when the blades are turning.


The worst situation seems to be when the wind is aligned with the path so 
the blades are facing directly at you or away from you, and there are 
several of them lined up and the blades are offset a little from each other, 
and then they decide to stop them (no wind or price of electricity too low 
to generate).


I don't usually worry too much about 1 turbine in the path, but 2 may be an 
issue on longer links, and we don't do it if there are 3 or more.


Life gets better when Google Earth updates their imagery, until then you are 
guessing where the turbines are, unless you get a map from the windfarm and 
overlay it.


Are you going into the wind farm, or are they building it around you?  One 
good thing if you were there first and they are in the planning stage, they 
will usually pull FCC licenses and avoid any existing licensed links.  And 
if you talk to them during planning, they may move a planned turbine 50 feet 
one way or another to avoid putting one right in a backhaul path even if it 
isn't a licensed link.  Obviously they aren't going to do this for 
individual links to customers.


Also, nobody builds a new house in a wind farm.  Assume population growth 
will be zero or negative.



-Original Message- 
From: Tim Reichhart

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question

Guys
I just want to know if I am going have any issues with placing tower around 
an wind mill farm or not? I just want to know if I am going have 
interference or getting signal to customers from tower going through an wind 
mill farm?


Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

2015-09-15 Thread Travis Johnson

I remember when we were paying $2,000 per T1... and thought we had hit 
the jackpot when we signed a new contract at $1,500/T1.


At one point in our network of old, we had 8 T1 lines for bandwidth, 
from three different providers. LOL


Travis


On 9/15/2015 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I remember when we were paying $600/T1 so $388/Mbps
Then a few years later we though we got a screaming deal at $38 Mbps 
on a 100M pipe.

Then $16
Then $8
Then $4 and we thought we died and gone to heaven.
Then $2 last year and wondered how low it can go.
Now, under $1.
Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.
It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

2015-09-15 Thread Matt

> http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/

So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

2015-09-15 Thread Jaime Solorza

BFM
On Sep 15, 2015 5:27 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> > http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/
>
> So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

2015-09-15 Thread Ken Hohhof

AT&T Mobility CEO decided to be somewhat more truthful:
http://www.cnet.com/news/at-t-mobility-ceo-lets-not-get-too-excited-about-5g-yet/


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster,5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

BFM

On Sep 15, 2015 5:27 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

  > http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/

  So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE?

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

2015-09-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Hmm... Interesting... 

Hurricane Electric, while inexpensive is known NOT To sell partial commit... 
Only Full Ports... 
i.e you either get a 1gig port or 10gig port.. 

1gig ports a less than $750... 10g ports are in the $3200 range... 

One the 10g side there are others who will match the $$ tab.. 

It is only us (WISP's and ISP's) who look at IP Transit as a cost per Meg of 
IP 

Everyone else essentially comes up with a cost of "what is the cost of 
delivering the last mile" irrespective of how much, and then adjusting it with 
market pricing... 

(inside a data center, with a perceived 'zero' cost for last mile access, you 
will see that there is not much difference between 10/50/100/200meg in many 
cases going from 200meg to full port is a nominal ($) increment). 
Last mile access is still where bulk of the costs are ... 

-- 
e.g got this one today:- 
pdate on site survey and results: 
Construction is required we have two options. The first would be to have the 
customer make a contribution towards the cost of constriction. Comcast will 
cover $5,174.75 of the $15,611.75 construction cost. If the customer would like 
to contribute they would need to make a contribution of $10,437. The other 
option would be to increase the term to 36 months. If the term is increased to 
36 months Comcast will cover the cost of construction. Please advise how the 
customer would like to move forward. I will create an addendum and ROE once I 
know what the customer has decided. ETA for construction is 90 days. 
-- 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:50:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

> I have a neighbor that is paying about 75 cents from Hurricane Electric.
> 10 Gig port.
> 1 Gig commit.
> Not gonna say where I am getting mine for various reasons.
> From: Cassidy B. Larson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges
> What port size, and commit? Carrier?

>> Now, under $1.
>> Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.
>> It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

2015-09-15 Thread Jason McKemie

They aren't. IF they have it running in a lab - which it doesn't sound like
they do - they might see something in the ballpark of what they're
describing. Results in the real world will be nowhere near as impressive.

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, Matt  wrote:

> > http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/
>
> So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE?
>

Re: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question

we have hundreds of them around us, other than the very obvious path issue
potential, there is no RF related issue. When the first major round went
in, we were using alvarion baii, which was very dependent on a good ground
at the subscriber (you would get zapped on a tower). When they went live we
started having alot of issues (ethernet loss, and alot of rf discard)
It turned out the highlines in the area were not prepared for the new
electrical load, they were overheating, I dont know the mechanics behind
it, but they had to do a major project where they went out and tightened
the highlines to resolve it, i dont know it this was to shorten them or if
tension has some impact at that high a voltage.
Once that project was complete the grounding issues went away
I just assumed there was alot of shunting to earth and at that scale it
impacted the overall ground plane. I could be totally wrong.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I estimate we take a momentary 1-2 dB hit each time a fiberglass blade
> goes through the path.  Oddly, they affect the signal even when they are
> not directly in the path.  Cambium alignment tone makes it easy to hear
> this when the blades are turning.
>
> The worst situation seems to be when the wind is aligned with the path so
> the blades are facing directly at you or away from you, and there are
> several of them lined up and the blades are offset a little from each
> other, and then they decide to stop them (no wind or price of electricity
> too low to generate).
>
> I don't usually worry too much about 1 turbine in the path, but 2 may be
> an issue on longer links, and we don't do it if there are 3 or more.
>
> Life gets better when Google Earth updates their imagery, until then you
> are guessing where the turbines are, unless you get a map from the windfarm
> and overlay it.
>
> Are you going into the wind farm, or are they building it around you?  One
> good thing if you were there first and they are in the planning stage, they
> will usually pull FCC licenses and avoid any existing licensed links.  And
> if you talk to them during planning, they may move a planned turbine 50
> feet one way or another to avoid putting one right in a backhaul path even
> if it isn't a licensed link.  Obviously they aren't going to do this for
> individual links to customers.
>
> Also, nobody builds a new house in a wind farm.  Assume population growth
> will be zero or negative.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question
>
>
> Guys
> I just want to know if I am going have any issues with placing tower
> around an wind mill farm or not? I just want to know if I am going have
> interference or getting signal to customers from tower going through an
> wind mill farm?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

we just got quoted 500 bucks for a gig if we can get to it, its a company
we didnt recognize, in an area there is no reason for that type of pipe to
be present, so its suspicious

We pay less for our newer upstream with 6x the bandwidth than we do for our
existing one. when we did the price comparison, they re-quoted double the
bandwidth for thess than we are currently paying, substantially less. but
they have to build out (turn up a strand) first, with a six month window.
so we are going to sign the contract and wait but pay less.

Its a crazy market in the rural areas, I assume you guys in urban areas
already went through the huge shocker price breaks some time ago, but
lately its like Christmas for us little guys every time we talk to a sales
rep

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Hmm... Interesting...
>
> Hurricane Electric, while inexpensive is known NOT To sell partial
> commit... Only Full Ports...
> i.e you either get a 1gig port or 10gig port..
>
> 1gig ports a less than $750... 10g ports are in the $3200 range...
>
> One the 10g side there are others who will match the $$ tab..
>
> It is only us (WISP's and ISP's) who look at IP Transit as a cost per Meg
> of IP
>
> Everyone else essentially comes up with a cost of  "what is the cost of
> delivering the last mile"  irrespective of how much, and then adjusting it
> with market pricing...
>
> (inside a data center, with a perceived 'zero' cost for last mile access,
> you will see that there is not much difference between 10/50/100/200meg in
> many cases going from 200meg to full port is a nominal ($) increment).
> Last mile access is still where bulk of the costs are ...
>
> --
> e.g got this one today:-
> pdate on site survey and results:
> Construction is required we have two options. The first would be to have
> the customer make a contribution towards the cost of constriction. Comcast
> will cover $5,174.75 of the $15,611.75 construction cost. If the customer
> would like to contribute they would need to make a contribution of $10,437.
> The other option would be to increase the term to 36 months. If the term is
> increased to 36 months Comcast will cover the cost of construction. Please
> advise how the customer would like to move forward. I will create an
> addendum and ROE once I know what the customer has decided. ETA for
> construction is 90 days.
> --
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:50:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges
>
> I have a neighbor that is paying about 75 cents from Hurricane Electric.
> 10 Gig port.
> 1 Gig commit.
>
> Not gonna say where I am getting mine for various reasons.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges
>
>
> What port size, and commit?  Carrier?
>
> Now, under $1.
> Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1.
>
> It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Who's the company you didn't recognize? 

Also, you're usually better off with transport to a carrier hotel and doing 
your business there than buying it delivered to your door. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:58:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges 


we just got quoted 500 bucks for a gig if we can get to it, its a company we 
didnt recognize, in an area there is no reason for that type of pipe to be 
present, so its suspicious 


We pay less for our newer upstream with 6x the bandwidth than we do for our 
existing one. when we did the price comparison, they re-quoted double the 
bandwidth for thess than we are currently paying, substantially less. but they 
have to build out (turn up a strand) first, with a six month window. so we are 
going to sign the contract and wait but pay less. 


Its a crazy market in the rural areas, I assume you guys in urban areas already 
went through the huge shocker price breaks some time ago, but lately its like 
Christmas for us little guys every time we talk to a sales rep 


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





Hmm... Interesting... 



Hurricane Electric, while inexpensive is known NOT To sell partial commit... 
Only Full Ports... 

i.e you either get a 1gig port or 10gig port.. 



1gig ports a less than $750... 10g ports are in the $3200 range... 



One the 10g side there are others who will match the $$ tab.. 



It is only us (WISP's and ISP's) who look at IP Transit as a cost per Meg of 
IP 



Everyone else essentially comes up with a cost of "what is the cost of 
delivering the last mile" irrespective of how much, and then adjusting it with 
market pricing... 


(inside a data center, with a perceived 'zero' cost for last mile access, you 
will see that there is not much difference between 10/50/100/200meg in many 
cases going from 200meg to full port is a nominal ($) increment). 

Last mile access is still where bulk of the costs are ... 



-- 

e.g got this one today:- 

pdate on site survey and results: 
Construction is required we have two options. The first would be to have the 
customer make a contribution towards the cost of constriction. Comcast will 
cover $5,174.75 of the $15,611.75 construction cost. If the customer would like 
to contribute they would need to make a contribution of $10,437. The other 
option would be to increase the term to 36 months. If the term is increased to 
36 months Comcast will cover the cost of construction. Please advise how the 
customer would like to move forward. I will create an addendum and ROE once I 
know what the customer has decided. ETA for construction is 90 days. 
-- 







Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:50:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges 








I have a neighbor that is paying about 75 cents from Hurricane Electric. 
10 Gig port. 
1 Gig commit. 

Not gonna say where I am getting mine for various reasons. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges 



What port size, and commit? Carrier? 








Now, under $1. 
Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1. 

It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges. 











-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I fucking love it! once I found out MSRP meaning means the top dollar the
douchiest vendor will charge, It made my day. I like going to mfg to get
specs, and when they show what they expect the max retail price to be, it
shows me two things, how much they value their product and how to identify
the asshat vendors. Dont take it off or Ill burn utah to the ground

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You said it.  They sometimes price war with each other.
>
> *From:* Tyler Treat 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?
>
> Because it pisses off the dealer network.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that
> not the solution?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some
>> idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people
>> off if it's set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on
>> something that all the dealers sell for $29.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler <
>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that
>>> price is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if
>>> ordering in higher quantities.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Tyler
>>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>>> 417.851.1107
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tyler Treat" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?
>>>
>>> I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Tyler Treat
>>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown >> ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and
>>> you see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a
>>> discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all?
>>>
>>> MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better
>>> without any prices?
>>>
>>> I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am
>>> pretty bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer
>>> would do.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on these
pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2
etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice.

RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something to do
with some interference, But it could boil down to a saturated AP, and so
far as I have been able to tell you cant monitor throughput on these trash
cans other than monitoring the ethernet of the connected device

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

I used to monitor all kinds of stuff in the 320 SM.  The MIB was 
accurate and I didn't bump into any that didn't work.



On 9/15/2015 11:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on 
these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 
1 cinr 2 etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice.


RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something 
to do with some interference, But it could boil down to a saturated 
AP, and so far as I have been able to tell you cant monitor throughput 
on these trash cans other than monitoring the ethernet of the 
connected device


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

2015-09-15 Thread Colin Stanners

Do you want it from the AP
http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html
Or the CPEs?
http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on these
> pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2
> etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice.
>
> RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something to
> do with some interference, But it could boil down to a saturated AP, and so
> far as I have been able to tell you cant monitor throughput on these trash
> cans other than monitoring the ethernet of the connected device
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

half those would never graph: for example

danEthRxTotalBytes
Object
ID: 1.3.1.4.1.32584.1.8.13.5
Total number of bytes received.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Colin Stanners 
wrote:

> Do you want it from the AP
> http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html
> Or the CPEs?
> http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on these
>> pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2
>> etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice.
>>
>> RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something to
>> do with some interference, But it could boil down to a saturated AP, and so
>> far as I have been able to tell you cant monitor throughput on these trash
>> cans other than monitoring the ethernet of the connected device
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

2015-09-15 Thread George Skorup

Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts
graphing. That's common with a lot of OIDs.

Also, how the hell would they not support the standard IF-MIB interface
OID tree. I assume you've tried that anyway. I don't have any of that
shit to test against. A walk of .1.3.6.1.2.1.2 would tell you if the
standard stuff is there. That's dumb if it's not.

On 9/15/2015 10:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

half those would never graph: for example

danEthRxTotalBytes

Object ID: 1.3.1.4.1.32584.1.8.13.5

Total number of bytes received.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Colin Stanners > wrote:

Do you want it from the AP

http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html
Or the CPEs?

http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored
successfully on these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We
have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2 etc. Any ethernet stats
would be nice.

RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its
something to do with some interference, But it could boil down
to a saturated AP, and so far as I have been able to tell you
cant monitor throughput on these trash cans other than
monitoring the ethernet of the connected device

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts
graphing. That's common with a lot of OIDs.

Also, how the hell would they not support the standard IF-MIB
interface OID tree. I assume you've tried that anyway. I don't have
any of that shit to test against. A walk of .1.3.6.1.2.1.2 would tell
you if the standard stuff is there. That's dumb if it's not.

It's not.

Or the interfaces in the if-mib are virtual interfaces that are not
showing actual trafficor something. Hard to remember.

On 9/15/2015 10:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

half those would never graph: for example

danEthRxTotalBytes

Object ID: 1.3.1.4.1.32584.1.8.13.5

Total number of bytes received.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Colin Stanners > wrote:

Do you want it from the AP

http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html
Or the CPEs?

http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:

I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored
successfully on these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We
have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2 etc. Any ethernet stats
would be nice.

RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its
something to do with some interference, But it could boil
down to a saturated AP, and so far as I have been able to
tell you cant monitor throughput on these trash cans other
than monitoring the ethernet of the connected device

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

i dont think anyone here has ever been able to monitor throughput that i
recall.
I tried the .0 witht he counter, still a 0 (powercode)


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
> Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts
> graphing. That's common with a lot of OIDs.
>
> Also, how the hell would they not support the standard IF-MIB interface
> OID tree. I assume you've tried that anyway. I don't have any of that shit
> to test against. A walk of .1.3.6.1.2.1.2 would tell you if the standard
> stuff is there. That's dumb if it's not.
>
> It's not.
>
> Or the interfaces in the if-mib are virtual interfaces that are not
> showing actual trafficor something.  Hard to remember.
>
>
>
> On 9/15/2015 10:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> half those would never graph: for example
>
> danEthRxTotalBytes
> 
>  Object
> ID: 1.3.1.4.1.32584.1.8.13.5
> Total number of bytes received.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Colin Stanners < 
> cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you want it from the AP
>> 
>> http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html
>> Or the CPEs?
>> http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on
>>> these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 1
>>> cinr 2 etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice.
>>>
>>> RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something to
>>> do with some interference, But it could boil down to a saturated AP, and so
>>> far as I have been able to tell you cant monitor throughput on these trash
>>> cans other than monitoring the ethernet of the connected device
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs




On 9/16/2015 12:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i dont think anyone here has ever been able to monitor throughput that 
i recall.

I tried the .0 witht he counter, still a 0 (powercode)


I'm pretty sure I did monitor throughput.  I don't have the 320 anymore 
so can't say for sure.

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

the netonix Switch is a POE switch with 1.4 A, so it must be possible
to connect the PTP directly to the Switch without PIDU

2015-09-15 19:09 GMT+02:00 TJ Trout :
> Can't you just read online or use a volt meter on your existing POE, it's
> not really as complicated as you are making it out to be to identify which
> POE scheme that each type of radio uses...
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>>
>> If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs at 48v directly to the
>> PIDU?  Then use another port for actual Ethernet.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach
>>>  wrote:

 we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
 with the pins for the rj 45?

 thx
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

Not necessarily.  It may require a more smart device than simply passive
power or active power like 802.3af/at.  I remember someone saying the PIDUs
did some fancy stuff that you can see on the ground without even having
access to the radio.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Daniel Gerlach 
wrote:

> the netonix Switch is a POE switch with 1.4 A, so it must be possible
> to connect the PTP directly to the Switch without PIDU
>
> 2015-09-15 19:09 GMT+02:00 TJ Trout :
> > Can't you just read online or use a volt meter on your existing POE, it's
> > not really as complicated as you are making it out to be to identify
> which
> > POE scheme that each type of radio uses...
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs at 48v directly to the
> >> PIDU?  Then use another port for actual Ethernet.
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
>  with the pins for the rj 45?
> 
>  thx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

2015-09-15 Thread Colin Stanners

The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not
guarantee to work due to the signalling between the PIDU and radio which
also carries reset signal and "ethernet" LED status as Josh noted.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Gerlach 
wrote:

> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
> with the pins for the rj 45?
>
> thx
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

in your post was no sheet, the attachment was missing..

2015-09-16 7:14 GMT+02:00 Colin Stanners :
> The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not
> guarantee to work due to the signalling between the PIDU and radio which
> also carries reset signal and "ethernet" LED status as Josh noted.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Gerlach 
> wrote:
>>
>> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
>> with the pins for the rj 45?
>>
>> thx
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

can you send it to me.thx


2015-09-16 7:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach :
> in your post was no sheet, the attachment was missing..
>
> 2015-09-16 7:14 GMT+02:00 Colin Stanners :
>> The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not
>> guarantee to work due to the signalling between the PIDU and radio which
>> also carries reset signal and "ethernet" LED status as Josh noted.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Gerlach 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help
>>> with the pins for the rj 45?
>>>
>>> thx
>>
>>

[AFMUG] which WB surge protector for Ubiquiti AC products?

2015-09-15 Thread Rory Conaway



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...
unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

[AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

2015-09-15 Thread Work

Is there a OID for CRC errors on the Ethernet?? If not can we get it?? 

—
Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] which WB surge protector for Ubiquiti AC products?

Gige-hv for everything.  One standard unit that works across all devices
and sites.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sep 15, 2015 7:08 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>
> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>
>
>

[AFMUG] RF Shields

2015-09-15 Thread Jaime Solorza

Is anyone having APs heat up with the RF shields for Rocket M5 and sector
antennas? Thx

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

It's in the standard if MIB.on Canopy.  If you're talking about ePMP 
then I don't know.



On 9/15/2015 7:23 AM, Work wrote:

Is there a OID for CRC errors on the Ethernet?? If not can we get it??

—
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Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

2015-09-15 Thread Wireless Administrator

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

 

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway  wrote:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...

unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

When I stream a burger I want at least twice that.

From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

Steve B.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway  wrote:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');

www.triadwireless.net

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...

unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing... it puts a serious check on 
those saying you must have gigabit to the home... when we all know that's 
ridiculous. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Wireless Administrator"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps 



A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying. Let’s declare that to be 
the new minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows). 
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger. 
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible. 

Steve B. 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps 

Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. I 
feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included. 

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball... 
unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Burgers offend me.  I much prefer fish.  Because of my preference, you
can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choice.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sep 15, 2015 9:22 AM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

> A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to
> be the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing
> this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).
> Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound
> hamburger.  If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved
> to make it possible.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps
>
>
>
> Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned
> comments. I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps
> seems a bit high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people -
> myself included.
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>
> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

It is easier to stream fish too...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Burgers offend me.  I much prefer fish.  Because of my preference, you can't 
order any burgers at restaurants of my choice.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 15, 2015 9:22 AM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

  A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying.  Let’s declare that to be 
the new  minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this 
Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows).  
Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound hamburger.  
If they are unable to deliver let’s get the government involved to make it 
possible.

  Steve B.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

  Crap, I must be a glutton for punishment - I always read the damned comments. 
I feel like my IQ drops every time I do that. At any rate, 10mbps seems a bit 
high - I'd think it would be around 5 or so for most people - myself included.

  On Monday, September 14, 2015, Rory Conaway  wrote:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/2148231/broadband-users-need-at-least-10mbps-to-be-satisfied

  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

  “There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...

  unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"

Re: [AFMUG] GigE DC PoE Injectors

2015-09-15 Thread Steve Utick

There is also this for AirFiber:

http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-gigabit-poe-injector-for-airfiber/


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> I found the Tyconpower models for AirFiber...
>
> TP-DCDC-2456G-VHP (24 Input)
> TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP (48 Input)
>
> I have an outstanding ticket with Proxim to get their pinouts and
> consumption levels. I am also asking them if they have a recommended (or
> produce) a DC power supply option.
>
> I like the SAF PoE injectors that have a DC-DC converter that will take
> 24V to 60V. I just do not know how they are powered or I would perhaps use
> one of them for the Proxim.
>
> Gilbert
>
> On 9/14/2015 11:24 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I think Tycon actually makes one of those specifically for the airFiber. I
> like using something like the Meanwell better, because then if you add more
> 48v stuff later on, you're already setup for it.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know if AF24 uses standard 802.3af/at or proprietary and how much
>> power, but there are 802.3af/at POEs that can be powered from 24V and
>> convert to 48 or 56 volts internally, for example:
>>
>>
>> http://www.balticnetworks.com/tycon-power-18-36vdc-in-56vdc-802-3af-at-out-35w-dcdc.html
>>
>> http://www.air802.com/dc-dc-converter-802.3af-compliant-poe-injector-adapter-with-9-36vdc-input-48vdc-output-din-rail-mount.html
>>
>> You could also check Netonix and WiFi Texas.
>>
>> Or get yourself a Mean Well RSD-200B-48
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/mean-well-usa-rsd-200b-48/70272993/
>>
>> BTW, nice to see Allied carrying more Mean Well stuff.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Baird 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2015 12:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE DC PoE Injectors
>>
>> You either need to switch 'Site 2' to use a 48V battery plant, or use a
>> DC-DC converter to convert 24V to 48V in order to power your AF24.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
>> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for your response. I think my question did not go deep enough.
>>>
>>> Here are some issue I have...
>>> 1. I do not know if what PoE standards are used by the different radios.
>>> As I am doing my research, I am seeing that there are 2 standards 802.3af
>>> (2 pairs providing power?) and 802.3at (All 4 pairs providing power?).
>>> 2. I have 2 test sites that I am using to determine what I am going to
>>> roll out to other sites.
>>> a. Site 1 has a 48V power plant and a device like yours looks like
>>> it could work (site has a proxim radio).
>>> b. Site 2 has a 24V power plant (site has a AF24 radio).
>>>
>>> My SAF radios come with power injectors that allow me to input 24V or
>>> 48V and output 48V to the radios allowing me to use those with different
>>> power plants. My site 2 needs a power supply that can take the 24V input
>>> and bump it before putting it on the line.
>>>
>>> Gilbert
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2015 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>

 
 http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-poe-apc-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/

 http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-poe-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/

 -Original Message- From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:45 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] GigE DC PoE Injectors

 I am moving many of my sites to DC Power Plants and need to find DC PoE
 injectors for the following radios...

 Proxim Tsunami QB-8200 (I believe the pinouts are the same as a SAF
 licensed radio)
 Ubiquit airFiber 24

 These radios are all 48V input and I am looking for injectors to power
 them that will accept both 48V and/or 24V inputs. Does anyone have any
 suggestions?

 Gilbert

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps