Re: [AFMUG] a ton o ubnt ? 's

[Bill Prince]

It satisfies the idiots.

bp


On 1/18/2016 7:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I don't know why they wast the space displaying it.

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We are a rackspace reseller, their fanatical support just ain't what it
used to be.
On Jan 18, 2016 7:20 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> I use Rackspace. You can get a discount if you are on the Spiceworks
> forum. They offer white labeling after ~$150 / month if I remember
> correctly.
>
> I've been wanting to try OpenSRS. Any experience there?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> we use rackspace for our free accounts we give out because we are on an
>> antique plan and sherweb for hosted exchange because theyll give us the
>> compliance certificate
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Keefe John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Run your own cpanel server.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>
 Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Mike Hammett]

That's their office. Their "Chicago" facility is in one of these buildings: 
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7798691,-88.1579974,245m/data=!3m1!1e3 

I have figured out which one, I just forget at the moment. 

Their Indianapolis datacenter is just space in someone else's (LightBound). 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:31:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 




Their MX record points to a wncloud.com server, I looked that up as Worknet, 
which was apparently acquired by OnX a few years ago. Worknet is listed as at 
600 E. Diehl Rd., Naperville. Not related to the Worknet in DeKalb. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 


I love how Onx tries to be so secretive, but if you look hard enough, you can 
find their facilities. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:56:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 

I had a very anti-Microsoft customer went to atmail and really hated it. 
Specifically I think they had problems with the software and were unhappy 
with the support. That was over 7 years ago though. They eventually dumped 
it, I don't remember what they went to. I was not directly involved, they 
were a T1 customer. Looks like they are currently using hosted Exchange 
from OnX. 


-Original Message- 
From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:03 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten 
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API. 

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote: 
> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options? 

-- 
Simon Westlake 
Skype: Simon_Sonar 
Email: simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 
--- 
Sonar Software Inc 
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS 
https://sonar.software 

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Ken Hohhof]

Their MX record points to a wncloud.com server, I looked that up as Worknet, 
which was apparently acquired by OnX a few years ago.  Worknet is listed as at 
600 E. Diehl Rd., Naperville.  Not related to the Worknet in DeKalb.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

I love how Onx tries to be so secretive, but if you look hard enough, you can 
find their facilities.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:56:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

I had a very anti-Microsoft customer went to atmail and really hated it. 
Specifically I think they had problems with the software and were unhappy 
with the support.  That was over 7 years ago though.  They eventually dumped 
it, I don't remember what they went to.  I was not directly involved, they 
were a T1 customer.  Looks like they are currently using hosted Exchange 
from OnX.


-Original Message- 
From: Simon Westlake
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API.

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:
> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Mike Hammett]

I love how Onx tries to be so secretive, but if you look hard enough, you can 
find their facilities. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:56:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 

I had a very anti-Microsoft customer went to atmail and really hated it. 
Specifically I think they had problems with the software and were unhappy 
with the support. That was over 7 years ago though. They eventually dumped 
it, I don't remember what they went to. I was not directly involved, they 
were a T1 customer. Looks like they are currently using hosted Exchange 
from OnX. 


-Original Message- 
From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:03 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten 
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API. 

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote: 
> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options? 

-- 
Simon Westlake 
Skype: Simon_Sonar 
Email: simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 
--- 
Sonar Software Inc 
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS 
https://sonar.software 

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[George Skorup]

So, back on the original topic that I started here. I got an hour or so 
today to play with this switch. Cisco clone CLI and the web UI is very 
functional. Gotta say I'm really surprised that I don't hate it. The 
VLAN config is a little confusing, but I just need some more time with it.


The only contradicting documentation that I've found so far is the DC 
inputs. Is it +48 or -48? The chassis doesn't appear to be bonded to 
ether polarity. Floating would be nice. Does anyone know for sure? We're 
going to start with the AC input and move to DC later as we add more 
switches.

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Simon Westlake]

That sucks. I talked to them a bit a while back, they seemed pretty 
responsive, but I guess most companies do before you pay ;)


On 1/18/2016 8:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I had a very anti-Microsoft customer went to atmail and really hated 
it. Specifically I think they had problems with the software and were 
unhappy with the support.  That was over 7 years ago though.  They 
eventually dumped it, I don't remember what they went to.  I was not 
directly involved, they were a T1 customer.  Looks like they are 
currently using hosted Exchange from OnX.



-Original Message- From: Simon Westlake
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API.

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?




--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Ken Hohhof]

I had a very anti-Microsoft customer went to atmail and really hated it. 
Specifically I think they had problems with the software and were unhappy 
with the support.  That was over 7 years ago though.  They eventually dumped 
it, I don't remember what they went to.  I was not directly involved, they 
were a T1 customer.  Looks like they are currently using hosted Exchange 
from OnX.



-Original Message- 
From: Simon Westlake

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API.

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Justin Wilson]

We have a client running at mail on one of their appliance boxes.  It’s slick. 
It works. Customers like it. The webmail is what makes it shine.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
> 
> I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten around to 
> it. Looks good and they have a great API.
> 
> On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:
>> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Justin Wilson]

My vote is for On-Ramp Indiana.

Josh is correct.  You will need to do a lot of handholding.  Even if mail 
server names don’t change you will still have some rocky transitions.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Several WISPA members are very affordable.  The real cost IMO is dealing with 
> customers (ie my new phone needs the pop/imap/smtp server).
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Matt  > wrote:
> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Steve Utick]

We use ServerPlus, and have been happy with it.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Simon Westlake]

I've always wanted to try https://www.atmail.com/ but never gotten 
around to it. Looks good and they have a great API.


On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] a ton o ubnt ? 's

[Jeremy]

Actually, 32.60 may be a bit far out for 2.4GHz (4 miles), unless he has
clear LOS.  He may be better suited on another site, or with a bigger dish
or more elevation.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> 42.54 and 32.60 likely need service calls.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Yes, you can do 10MHz channels, and speeds will improve.  The weak
>> signals are hurting your overall bandwidth by the percentage of AirMax
>> capacity shown on the AP.  (ie. if it is 80% Airmax then your AP can do 80%
>> of it's total capability for that channel width.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> eh, i was hoping for a few more responses, so cross posting on other
>>> lists.
>>> thanks. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:16 PM
>>> *Subject:* a ton o ubnt ? 's
>>>
>>>
>>> yay.  ton o ubnt questions...
>>>
>>> howdy ya'll.  hope you're staying warm today.  it's friggin 24 here in
>>> the great state of Alabama.
>>> I spent some time at the lake before lunch wishing it were 94 so i could
>>> do some seadooing
>>> oh well.  That being said, guess I'm doing some INSIDE work. :)
>>>
>>> I've been wondering about these questions for a while.  For the most
>>> part we've been leaving well enough alone.
>>> We purchased a network over two years ago and have just been adding
>>> customers to it.  Lately we've been trying
>>> to sell higher packages and they're selling - - but i'm concerned we are
>>> running into bottle necks.
>>>
>>> Here are the key points.  This is our businest site on this network.
>>> There is one omni at 2.4 ghz and two sectors at
>>> 2.4 ghz.   Everything is in 5 ghz channels.  I'd like to go to 10 mhz
>>> channels.  What is your experience as an operator
>>> for 10 mhz channels with this amount of equipment?   Each sector has RF
>>> armor behind it.
>>>
>>> I am also concerned with the lack of information appearing on the sector
>>> list.  I believe one of the protocols is disabled on most of the radios -
>>> any reason I shouldn't go in and turn all of that protocol stuff back on?
>>> I believe it is the CDP protocol.  Any reason we shouldn't run that?  I
>>> assume the former owner turned that off cause it was bits he didn't want
>>> going back and forth in his 5 mhz channels. ;)   Um, i turned that back on
>>> for one customer but the device info still did not populate under
>>> the station list - so - i guess i need help with that too.
>>>
>>> The Omni:
>>> 17 clients
>>> 2452 - 5 mhz channels
>>> 2449.5  -  2454.5 MHz
>>>
>>>
>>> (only a handful are upgraded to 5.6.3, thats why tx is missing on some)
>>>
>>>
>>> 8 clients
>>> 2464 - 5 mhz channels
>>> 2461.5  -  2466.5 MHz
>>>
>>>
>>> 8 clients
>>> 2422 - 5 mhz channels
>>> 2419.5  -  2424.5 MHz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> whatcha think?  Can i do 10 mhz channels?
>>> How much are these weakish signals hurting the overall bandwidth?
>>> What general advice can you give us?
>>>
>>> Thanks ya'll!
>>>
>>> Happy Monday!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] a ton o ubnt ? 's

[Jeremy]

42.54 and 32.60 likely need service calls.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Yes, you can do 10MHz channels, and speeds will improve.  The weak signals
> are hurting your overall bandwidth by the percentage of AirMax capacity
> shown on the AP.  (ie. if it is 80% Airmax then your AP can do 80% of it's
> total capability for that channel width.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> eh, i was hoping for a few more responses, so cross posting on other
>> lists.
>> thanks. :)
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:16 PM
>> *Subject:* a ton o ubnt ? 's
>>
>>
>> yay.  ton o ubnt questions...
>>
>> howdy ya'll.  hope you're staying warm today.  it's friggin 24 here in
>> the great state of Alabama.
>> I spent some time at the lake before lunch wishing it were 94 so i could
>> do some seadooing
>> oh well.  That being said, guess I'm doing some INSIDE work. :)
>>
>> I've been wondering about these questions for a while.  For the most part
>> we've been leaving well enough alone.
>> We purchased a network over two years ago and have just been adding
>> customers to it.  Lately we've been trying
>> to sell higher packages and they're selling - - but i'm concerned we are
>> running into bottle necks.
>>
>> Here are the key points.  This is our businest site on this network.
>> There is one omni at 2.4 ghz and two sectors at
>> 2.4 ghz.   Everything is in 5 ghz channels.  I'd like to go to 10 mhz
>> channels.  What is your experience as an operator
>> for 10 mhz channels with this amount of equipment?   Each sector has RF
>> armor behind it.
>>
>> I am also concerned with the lack of information appearing on the sector
>> list.  I believe one of the protocols is disabled on most of the radios -
>> any reason I shouldn't go in and turn all of that protocol stuff back on?
>> I believe it is the CDP protocol.  Any reason we shouldn't run that?  I
>> assume the former owner turned that off cause it was bits he didn't want
>> going back and forth in his 5 mhz channels. ;)   Um, i turned that back on
>> for one customer but the device info still did not populate under
>> the station list - so - i guess i need help with that too.
>>
>> The Omni:
>> 17 clients
>> 2452 - 5 mhz channels
>> 2449.5  -  2454.5 MHz
>>
>>
>> (only a handful are upgraded to 5.6.3, thats why tx is missing on some)
>>
>>
>> 8 clients
>> 2464 - 5 mhz channels
>> 2461.5  -  2466.5 MHz
>>
>>
>> 8 clients
>> 2422 - 5 mhz channels
>> 2419.5  -  2424.5 MHz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> whatcha think?  Can i do 10 mhz channels?
>> How much are these weakish signals hurting the overall bandwidth?
>> What general advice can you give us?
>>
>> Thanks ya'll!
>>
>> Happy Monday!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] a ton o ubnt ? 's

[Jeremy]

Yes, you can do 10MHz channels, and speeds will improve.  The weak signals
are hurting your overall bandwidth by the percentage of AirMax capacity
shown on the AP.  (ie. if it is 80% Airmax then your AP can do 80% of it's
total capability for that channel width.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
>
> eh, i was hoping for a few more responses, so cross posting on other lists.
> thanks. :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* a ton o ubnt ? 's
>
>
> yay.  ton o ubnt questions...
>
> howdy ya'll.  hope you're staying warm today.  it's friggin 24 here in the
> great state of Alabama.
> I spent some time at the lake before lunch wishing it were 94 so i could
> do some seadooing
> oh well.  That being said, guess I'm doing some INSIDE work. :)
>
> I've been wondering about these questions for a while.  For the most part
> we've been leaving well enough alone.
> We purchased a network over two years ago and have just been adding
> customers to it.  Lately we've been trying
> to sell higher packages and they're selling - - but i'm concerned we are
> running into bottle necks.
>
> Here are the key points.  This is our businest site on this network.
> There is one omni at 2.4 ghz and two sectors at
> 2.4 ghz.   Everything is in 5 ghz channels.  I'd like to go to 10 mhz
> channels.  What is your experience as an operator
> for 10 mhz channels with this amount of equipment?   Each sector has RF
> armor behind it.
>
> I am also concerned with the lack of information appearing on the sector
> list.  I believe one of the protocols is disabled on most of the radios -
> any reason I shouldn't go in and turn all of that protocol stuff back on?
> I believe it is the CDP protocol.  Any reason we shouldn't run that?  I
> assume the former owner turned that off cause it was bits he didn't want
> going back and forth in his 5 mhz channels. ;)   Um, i turned that back on
> for one customer but the device info still did not populate under
> the station list - so - i guess i need help with that too.
>
> The Omni:
> 17 clients
> 2452 - 5 mhz channels
> 2449.5  -  2454.5 MHz
>
>
> (only a handful are upgraded to 5.6.3, thats why tx is missing on some)
>
>
> 8 clients
> 2464 - 5 mhz channels
> 2461.5  -  2466.5 MHz
>
>
> 8 clients
> 2422 - 5 mhz channels
> 2419.5  -  2424.5 MHz
>
>
>
>
> whatcha think?  Can i do 10 mhz channels?
> How much are these weakish signals hurting the overall bandwidth?
> What general advice can you give us?
>
> Thanks ya'll!
>
> Happy Monday!
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jaime Solorza]

He did the intro lick on You're Still A Young Man from Tower of Powers
hit.   Heart attack
On Jan 18, 2016 6:25 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Just heard Mic Gilette passed away...the horn players on list might know
> who he was...
> On Jan 18, 2016 3:41 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> No more Eagles...
>> (sniff)
>> Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
>> One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jaime Solorza]

Just heard Mic Gilette passed away...the horn players on list might know
who he was...
On Jan 18, 2016 3:41 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> No more Eagles...
> (sniff)
> Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
> One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Christopher Gray]

I use Rackspace. You can get a discount if you are on the Spiceworks forum.
They offer white labeling after ~$150 / month if I remember correctly.

I've been wanting to try OpenSRS. Any experience there?


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> we use rackspace for our free accounts we give out because we are on an
> antique plan and sherweb for hosted exchange because theyll give us the
> compliance certificate
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> Run your own cpanel server.
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Lewis Bergman]

Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it
into it.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
> some truly amazing things.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>  wrote:
> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship
> right
> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned that
> ice
> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
> >
> >
> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail arrgh..
> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

microsoft has the cheapest rates for the buck bang, plus you know its not a
proprietary implementation of a microsoft product, rackspace exchange was
like that, awful, but i guess theyre reselling 365 now

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We are running 1 server for everything, an I3 server but we only have
> about 10 mailboxes.  We also have Symantec Mail Security.  I’m looking at
> upgrading shortly.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we use rackspace for our free accounts we give out because we are on an
antique plan and sherweb for hosted exchange because theyll give us the
compliance certificate

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> Run your own cpanel server.
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:
>
>> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Keefe John]

Run your own cpanel server.

On 1/18/2016 6:07 PM, Matt wrote:

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

[AFMUG] OT. Lame commercial

[Jaime Solorza]

Sneakers commercial made up word confulsion or something like that.  Think
it's lame..
Confused and foolish...here are better ones if you can figure them out...
estuihambre

lentejo.

A bonus onecuatrolenta

[AFMUG] OT and possibly NSFW - GuyFi

[Ken Hohhof]

The media seems to be running with this PR stunt from a sex toy company.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/01/in-nyc-pay-phones-become-free-wi-fi-hotspotsand-masturbation-stations/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

We are running 1 server for everything, an I3 server but we only have about 10 
mailboxes.  We also have Symantec Mail Security.  I'm looking at upgrading 
shortly.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I just don't want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it's the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jaime Solorza]

OK...I had look up the meaning of decorum
On Jan 18, 2016 5:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> She has a pretty thick skin... has to, she lives with me!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey
>
>
> Oops   guess I should show more decorum when I post..
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Josh Luthman]

Several WISPA members are very affordable.  The real cost IMO is dealing
with customers (ie my new phone needs the pop/imap/smtp server).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey

[Chuck McCown]

She has a pretty thick skin... has to, she lives with me!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:00 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey

Oops   guess I should show more decorum when I post..

[AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Matt]

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jaime Solorza]

Oops   guess I should show more decorum when I post..

[AFMUG] a ton o ubnt ? 's

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

eh, i was hoping for a few more responses, so cross posting on other lists.
thanks. :)


- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:16 PM
Subject: a ton o ubnt ? 's



yay.  ton o ubnt questions...

howdy ya'll.  hope you're staying warm today.  it's friggin 24 here in the 
great state of Alabama.
I spent some time at the lake before lunch wishing it were 94 so i could do 
some seadooing
oh well.  That being said, guess I'm doing some INSIDE work. :)

I've been wondering about these questions for a while.  For the most part we've 
been leaving well enough alone.
We purchased a network over two years ago and have just been adding customers 
to it.  Lately we've been trying
to sell higher packages and they're selling - - but i'm concerned we are 
running into bottle necks.

Here are the key points.  This is our businest site on this network.  There is 
one omni at 2.4 ghz and two sectors at
2.4 ghz.   Everything is in 5 ghz channels.  I'd like to go to 10 mhz channels. 
 What is your experience as an operator
for 10 mhz channels with this amount of equipment?   Each sector has RF armor 
behind it.

I am also concerned with the lack of information appearing on the sector list.  
I believe one of the protocols is disabled on most of the radios - any reason I 
shouldn't go in and turn all of that protocol stuff back on?  I believe it is 
the CDP protocol.  Any reason we shouldn't run that?  I assume the former owner 
turned that off cause it was bits he didn't want going back and forth in his 5 
mhz channels. ;)   Um, i turned that back on for one customer but the device 
info still did not populate under
the station list - so - i guess i need help with that too.

The Omni:
17 clients
2452 - 5 mhz channels
2449.5  -  2454.5 MHz 




(only a handful are upgraded to 5.6.3, thats why tx is missing on some)


8 clients
2464 - 5 mhz channels
2461.5  -  2466.5 MHz 



8 clients
2422 - 5 mhz channels
2419.5  -  2424.5 MHz 





whatcha think?  Can i do 10 mhz channels?
How much are these weakish signals hurting the overall bandwidth?
What general advice can you give us?

Thanks ya'll!

Happy Monday!

[AFMUG] Service in Mountain Ranch, CA?

[Bill Prince]

We have a friend that is moving up there, and she is looking for anyone 
that can provide service up there.


It's about 5 miles west of Arnold.

--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] Service in Bretzville, IN?

[Justin Wilson]

Awesome. Make sure to tell them Justin Wilson sent ya.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the help, they do have a location nearby and they're coming for 
> a site survey.
> 
> -Chris
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Justin Wilson  > wrote:
> Not sure if NetSurf reaches down that far.  www.netsurfusa.net 
> 
> 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net 
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net  Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com   COO/Chairman
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Christopher Gray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Looking for a service provider in Bretzville, IN. Feel free to contact me 
>> off-list.
>> 
>> Thanks - Chris
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

Not everything can be put on the cloud for various reasons.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been on Google Apps for Bidness for the last few years for internal 
email, calendars, etc. I would never bring it back in house.
On 1/18/2016 4:22 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
I just don�t want our core business email in the cloud.� We do our WISP 
emails in the cloud but not the core.
�
Maybe I am na�ve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.� Nothing to hide, but it�s the 
principle of ot
�
Paul
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
�
For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
�
I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don�t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It�s not too hard to manage online.
�
When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don�t bother with 
client email.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
�
Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the tooth� and 
my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
�
I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource 
hog.�� I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if just works�
�
I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.� Not comfortable with 
my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
�
S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
�
Paul
�
�
�
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
�

[AFMUG] Fw: OT RIP Glen Frey

[Chuck McCown]

My wife, (who does read this list), just gigged me a bit.  

She says she lets me listen to the song before she gives me crap... 

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

Take it to the limit


My wife has even met the girl...  claws out... arched back... hi

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

Life in the Fast Lane?

Witchy Woman?

:-)

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  No more Eagles...
  (sniff)
  Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
  One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[George Skorup]

We've been on Google Apps for Bidness for the last few years for 
internal email, calendars, etc. I would never bring it back in house.


On 1/18/2016 4:22 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


I just don�t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.


Maybe I am na�ve, but would like to think there are certain things 
that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
but it�s the principle of ot


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.


Don�t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.

It�s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don�t bother 
with client email.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the 
tooth� and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if 
just works�


I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Service in Bretzville, IN?

[Christopher Gray]

Thank you for the help, they do have a location nearby and they're coming
for a site survey.

-Chris


--

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> Not sure if NetSurf reaches down that far.  www.netsurfusa.net
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
> Looking for a service provider in Bretzville, IN. Feel free to contact me
> off-list.
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Metered Plans / Full Speed To Customer?

[Christopher Gray]

By fair queue, I meant equal sharing of bandwidth per user / IP... Likely
with MikroTik PCQ.

Even though speeds would not be slower, the two major customer experiences
I expect are:
1. Wow, the Internet is extra fast during these off-hours, I'm really happy!
2. Wow, the Internet is slow during these busy hours, everything is the
worst!

I'd like to do something the user really appreciates, while minimizing
experience #2..

I suppose offering a traditional service next to a metered service can
allow the disappointed users to switch back to a traditional plan.



--

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Can you clarify regarding “fair queues”?  Would the customer with 100 TCP
> active TCP connections get a larger share of the available capacity than
> the customer with 1 active TCP connection?  What about the video stream or
> software download that opens 10 TCP connections vs the video stream that
> opens 1 TCP connection?
>
> The other thing that strikes me is customers want predictability.  OK,
> maybe less so with mobile, but certainly with fixed.  So I either can or
> cannot stream 4K shows on Netflix, or 2 HD shows simultaneously, or DirecTV
> On Demand.  I can or cannot Skype with my son in Afghanistan.  If I could
> do it yesterday, but not today, I am pissed off.  If I pay $5 to watch an
> on demand movie and the first 10 minutes goes fine but then peak hour comes
> and I can’t and it tells me I have to download to my DVR and watch later, I
> am pissed off.
>
> So a best effort approach to speed (and therefore to what applications
> will and won’t work) may lead to a poor customer experience.  Unless you
> have some way of notifying customers, or letting them pay for priority.
>
> Some applications will degrade gracefully.  Netflix is pretty good about
> adaptive stream quality.  I don’t get many customer complaints about video
> quality, but people sure hate it if the video stops to buffer, or displays
> an error message that their Internet has slowed.
>
> The opposite view to this would be why limit someone to a certain speed
> tier when the network is not “congested”, leaving capacity unused.
>
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Metered Plans / Full Speed To Customer?
>
> I had a conversation with a network professional who was very interested
> in the idea of a "metered" plan. His thought was to open up the customer
> connections to full speed and run fair queues instead of throttling
> bandwidth. Pricing would be based on usage, but with very low rates
> compared to cellular or satellite (e.g., 100 GB for $60). The three main
> thoughts were:
>
> 1) Knowing that speeds would be better in off hours (somehow promoted or
> advertised) could get users to operate outside of peak times thus reducing
> peak load on the network.
>
> 2) Customer prices would more accurately represent their load on a system.
>
> 3) Plan sharing would not be a significant concern, as usage would rise
> and cost would rise.
>
> Now, I can see those benefits, but I have these specific concerns.:
>
> 1) If everything is opened fully today, network performance can only get
> worse over time as subscribers are added.
>
> 2) Variability in speed over the course of the day may cause customer
> concern.
>
> 3) Many video streaming services seem to suffer with variable bandwidth
> availability.
>
> Any thoughts on this method of providing service? It seems very close to
> the cellular plans where speed is almost never mentioned, only data use.
>
> I have some ideas to make such a service work, but I'd like to know
> others' thoughts and experiences.
>
> Thanks - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Connectors

[Chuck McCown]

Just got his reply from Bracke:
Dear Chuck,



Mr. Pasternack sold Pasternack Enterprises over a decade ago.

Went into early retirement.  He started missing the business as his children 
have grown.



He then started up Bracke Manufacturing.  Coincidentally I worked for him at 
Pasternack Enterprises many years ago.

He found me and brought me aboard this fine new establishment!



Are there any parts or cable assemblies you may be interesting in purchasing 
from us?  You will find our prices are 20-30% lower than P.E.’s.

And, the quality of our parts is top notch!



If you would like to speak to Mr. Pasternack personally, he will be in the 
office this Wednesday.



We hope to hear from you soon and do look forward to introducing ourselves and 
our company to you.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Connectors

I think it was Ken, but I've gotten stuff from Pasternak.

Google maps says it is a 9 minute drive from Pasternak to Bracke. I assume that 
is not counting traffic...


bp


On 1/18/2016 2:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  A few months back, there was a discussion about sources for RF connectors.� 
I think perhaps Ken or Bill mentioned Pasternak.� I knew there was another 
similar company out there, perhaps a knock off or spin off of Pasternak.� 
  �
  Today I received a catalog from them.� Bracke.� Catalog looks exactly 
like the Pasternak catalog.� 
  �
  Bracke is in Newport Beach, CA.
  Pasternak is in Irvine, CA
  �
  All of 5 miles from each other...

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Bill Prince]

Has not been a good week for (not so) old rock stars,

Goodnight Glen.

... and one more time for David.


bp


On 1/18/2016 2:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

No more Eagles...
(sniff)
Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Darren Shea]

The night after I met the woman who is now my wife, we were in a song circle
with a bunch of friends and guitars. She asked me if I knew "Hotel
California", to which I replied yes, and played it for her. I don't know if
that was what convinced her to give me a shot, but I'm sure it didn't hurt!

 

RIP, Glenn.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

 

No more Eagles...

(sniff)

Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.

One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jaime Solorza]

sad.really enjoyed their harmonies

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Take it to the limit
>
> 
> My wife has even met the girl...  claws out... arched back... hi
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey
>
> Life in the Fast Lane?
>
> Witchy Woman?
>
> :-)
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> No more Eagles...
> (sniff)
> Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
> One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Bill Prince]

I know a guy in Santa Cruz who is an OS2 expert. There are a couple 
dozen OS2 applications still in the wild that keep him very well employed.


bp


On 1/18/2016 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OS2
*From:* Paul McCall 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if 
just works”


I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] RF Connectors

[Bill Prince]

I think it was Ken, but I've gotten stuff from Pasternak.

Google maps says it is a 9 minute drive from Pasternak to Bracke. I 
assume that is not counting traffic...


bp


On 1/18/2016 2:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
A few months back, there was a discussion about sources for RF 
connectors.  I think perhaps Ken or Bill mentioned Pasternak.  I knew 
there was another similar company out there, perhaps a knock off or 
spin off of Pasternak.
Today I received a catalog from them.  Bracke. Catalog looks exactly 
like the Pasternak catalog.

Bracke is in Newport Beach, CA.
Pasternak is in Irvine, CA
All of 5 miles from each other...

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Chuck McCown]

Take it to the limit


My wife has even met the girl...  claws out... arched back... hi

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

Life in the Fast Lane?

Witchy Woman?

:-)

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  No more Eagles...
  (sniff)
  Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
  One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it
would be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the
option to build a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs
nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so
much better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Life in the Fast Lane?

Witchy Woman?

:-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> No more Eagles...
> (sniff)
> Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
> One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha Sheldon when he was about to type how to get 12 year old girls excited
and they stopped him...
On Jan 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Looks OK to me.
>
> [image: 37-24-36]
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 1:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
>
> Duh =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Warning: DO NOT COPY/PASTE THAT IN TO GOOGLE AT WORK
>>
>> NSFW
>>
>> :P
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> > 37-24-36
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18,
>> 2016
>> > 12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
>> > I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I
>> feel
>> > Like I should win a prize.
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT RIP Glen Frey

[Chuck McCown]

No more Eagles...
(sniff)
Most of those songs remind me of certain girls I was dating at the time.
One in particular my wife will turn off if it comes on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Josh Reynolds]

VMs have to run on hosts... kind of :)

Storage servers doing ISCSI exports, and obviously appliances.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> I honestly don't care about the government reading my crap.
> If they want that kind of boredom, more power to them.
>
> My biggest concern is a failure in the cloud, or cloud hosted VM's.
>
> I recently made the mistake of letting Windows Update install a Suse network 
> driver over my KVM based VM image.
>
> That killed one of my VM's and it took me a while to figure out how to 
> recover from that.
>
> But most VM host companies do image and delta backups that make it point and 
> click restore.
>
> I can span the images across the country and bring up anywhere they have 
> locations.
>
> And I can download VM images directly from the site and they pull up in my 
> Win 10 HyperV host with a simple conversion.
>
> Quite remarkable.
>
> I wonder that anyone uses bare metal anything now days.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
> I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
> There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting 
> it there (if encrypted).
>
> It's already being done, honestly.
>
> I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
> and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
> true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
> them in almost real-time.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our
>> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things
>> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide,
>> but it’s the principle of ot
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>>
>>
>>
>> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine
>> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>>
>> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>>
>> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother
>> with client email.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the
>> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
>> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable
>> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

I honestly don't care about the government reading my crap.
If they want that kind of boredom, more power to them.

My biggest concern is a failure in the cloud, or cloud hosted VM's.

I recently made the mistake of letting Windows Update install a Suse network 
driver over my KVM based VM image.

That killed one of my VM's and it took me a while to figure out how to recover 
from that.

But most VM host companies do image and delta backups that make it point and 
click restore.

I can span the images across the country and bring up anywhere they have 
locations.

And I can download VM images directly from the site and they pull up in my Win 
10 HyperV host with a simple conversion.

Quite remarkable.

I wonder that anyone uses bare metal anything now days.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting it 
there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things 
> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
> but it’s the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother 
> with client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Adam Moffett]

I worked at a place that used Merak Icewarp.  I think they have a linux 
version.  Your mobile devices can't tell the difference between that and 
Exchange, but you have to install a plugin to use it with Outlook.  Once 
that plugin is installed you can't tell the difference on your desktop 
either.


I'm not sure how the price compares to MS Small business.

On 1/18/2016 5:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the 
tooth� and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if 
just works�


I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting it 
there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things 
> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
> but it’s the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother 
> with client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Josh Reynolds]

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and
decrypting it there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in
a day and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and
there's really no true way to get away from it. Someone interested
enough could probably real them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and
> my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Connectors

[Jaime Solorza]

like those two merchants back east that had stores separated by a huge
house who had famous sales battles against each other...this went on for
years until one died.   turns out they were brothers and had access through
the home (it was theirs) to move merchandise from one store to the
other.Not sure if this is a true story but I learned it when I was in
Joskes Executive Training program for Retail Mgt and Inventory Control back
when God was baby.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Ahhh, on the Bracke website, there is an “about” page signed by a Lawrence
> H. Pasternak
> Probably an interesting story there.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 2:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* RF Connectors
>
> A few months back, there was a discussion about sources for RF
> connectors.  I think perhaps Ken or Bill mentioned Pasternak.  I knew there
> was another similar company out there, perhaps a knock off or spin off of
> Pasternak.
>
> Today I received a catalog from them.  Bracke.  Catalog looks exactly like
> the Pasternak catalog.
>
> Bracke is in Newport Beach, CA.
> Pasternak is in Irvine, CA
>
> All of 5 miles from each other...
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

I just don't want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it's the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

Are you running separate AD server(s)?  secondary exchange servers?  Separate 
physical servers (or VMs on separate servers) ?

Looking at resource issues vs. overall benefit  plus Total Cost of Ownership,  
including licenses and support costs, etc.

We have a simple SBS on a VM that uses 20GB of RAM.   With SBS gone away, its 
back to the old days, with separate "boxes" for everything.  Sigh.

Something like Zentyal might be worth considering if it works well in the real 
world.

Paul



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Server replacement

More Exchange.  We just installed Exchange 2012.  Looking to update to 2016 
this year.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Inhouse Zimbra server.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Jaime Solorza]

on a PS2 serverha...the PS stood for piece of Shit

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> OS2
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

OS/2 you mean.

Or CP/M?

lol

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

More Exchange.  We just installed Exchange 2012.  Looking to update to 2016 
this year.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Inhouse Zimbra server.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

[AFMUG] RF Connectors

[Chuck McCown]

Ahhh, on the Bracke website, there is an “about” page signed by a Lawrence H. 
Pasternak
Probably an interesting story there.  


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: RF Connectors

A few months back, there was a discussion about sources for RF connectors.  I 
think perhaps Ken or Bill mentioned Pasternak.  I knew there was another 
similar company out there, perhaps a knock off or spin off of Pasternak.  

Today I received a catalog from them.  Bracke.  Catalog looks exactly like the 
Pasternak catalog.  

Bracke is in Newport Beach, CA.
Pasternak is in Irvine, CA

All of 5 miles from each other...

[AFMUG] 450 cert Class in San Jose.

[Sam Lambie]

Has anyone been taught by the Streakwave guys? Is the class worth it? I've
got family in San Jose so place to stay is covered.

Sam


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Chuck McCown]

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Christopher Tyler]

Inhouse Zimbra server.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

[AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] RF Connectors

[Chuck McCown]

A few months back, there was a discussion about sources for RF connectors.  I 
think perhaps Ken or Bill mentioned Pasternak.  I knew there was another 
similar company out there, perhaps a knock off or spin off of Pasternak.  

Today I received a catalog from them.  Bracke.  Catalog looks exactly like the 
Pasternak catalog.  

Bracke is in Newport Beach, CA.
Pasternak is in Irvine, CA

All of 5 miles from each other...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[Chuck McCown]

You exposed me!

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

OK, so the first image that pops up on your site is a PCB and what looks like 
jacks, and, wait for it... one says POE. Yep, totally radar jamming. You should 
be ashamed.


On 1/18/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due� to 
policy violations.
  I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick accent 
tell me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.� I told him I did 
not sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and tower mounts.� Back and 
forth, escalating to a woman that has less of an accent, she tells me that it 
is in violation of their policy.� I ask for a copy, nope, it is a secret she 
cannot tell me.� OK, so I am breaking a Google law but that law is secret and 
you cannot tell me how I am breaking it.� Yep.� OK suggestions please.� 
She suggested that I explain on the front page of the web site what it is we 
do.� I told her we make and sell crap.� She said that is not clear and that 
we need to explain that.
  �
  OK, so I now explain that.� Arrgh.
  �
  www.mccowntech.com� A bit of snark there.� Not sure how far to push the 
snark, do not want the big G to get pissed off at me...

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Jason McKemie]

That sounds like it would fall under commercial use.  Might want to be
careful where you do that and who sees it.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
> than a bucket truck!
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
>> truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
>> one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
>> or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
>> the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
>> it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
>> roof.
>>
>> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
>> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
>> get LOS.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>>
>> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
>> you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
>>> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
>>> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
>>> bucket truck.
>>>
>>> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
>>> nice.
>>>
>>> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited use
>>> of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
>>> customer's yards.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in a
 galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I
 guess.
 On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> 22k for both is a great deal!
>
> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able
> to reach some things.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
>> on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have
>> lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my 
>> son
>> in law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel
>> truck.  He paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  
>> Great
>> for camera installs and even cutting tree branches.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[George Skorup]

OK, so the first image that pops up on your site is a PCB and what looks 
like jacks, and, wait for it... one says POE. Yep, totally radar 
jamming. You should be ashamed.


On 1/18/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due  to 
policy violations.
I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick 
accent tell me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.  I 
told him I did not sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and 
tower mounts.  Back and forth, escalating to a woman that has less of 
an accent, she tells me that it is in violation of their policy.  I 
ask for a copy, nope, it is a secret she cannot tell me.  OK, so I am 
breaking a Google law but that law is secret and you cannot tell me 
how I am breaking it.  Yep.  OK suggestions please.  She suggested 
that I explain on the front page of the web site what it is we do.  I 
told her we make and sell crap.  She said that is not clear and that 
we need to explain that.

OK, so I now explain that.  Arrgh.
www.mccowntech.com   A bit of snark there.  
Not sure how far to push the snark, do not want the big G to get 
pissed off at me...

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Adam Moffett]

Does it handle the wind ok?

On 1/18/2016 2:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice 
and easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. 
Cheaper than a bucket truck!

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[TJ Trout]

Yeah, u guys need to get a 38-40ft to be useful for wisp use, I think.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> The issue run into trying to use our bucket truck, is that you just can't
> get close enough to where you need to mount the antenna on most houses -
> unless you drive across their lawn, which most people don't want you
> doing... and even that isn't possible in a lot of cases. It usually does
> work very well on commercial building though... and it's definitely the way
> to go for working on poles. I think ours is only a 28' boom though, it
> would definitely make it a lot easier to reach things with another 10' or
> so.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I don’t remember the details, I believe it had 30 ft vertical reach and
>> was mounted on an F450 flat bed.  He was an electrician and used it for
>> putting wires and lights on utility poles.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 1:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>>
>> what kind of truck ken? sounds like a tree truck, not a telecom/electric
>> boom
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
>>> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
>>> than a bucket truck!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
 truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
 one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
 or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
 the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
 it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
 roof.

 For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
 truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
 get LOS.


 *From:* Josh Luthman 
 *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

 What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
 you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
> bucket truck.
>
> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
> nice.
>
> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited
> use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
> customer's yards.
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in
>> a galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent 
>> one I
>> guess.
>> On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 22k for both is a great deal!
>>>
>>> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
>>> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be 
>>> able
>>> to reach some things.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
 on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have
 lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my 
 son
 in law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel
 truck.  He paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  
 Great
 for camera installs and even cutting tree branches.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Mathew Howard]

The issue run into trying to use our bucket truck, is that you just can't
get close enough to where you need to mount the antenna on most houses -
unless you drive across their lawn, which most people don't want you
doing... and even that isn't possible in a lot of cases. It usually does
work very well on commercial building though... and it's definitely the way
to go for working on poles. I think ours is only a 28' boom though, it
would definitely make it a lot easier to reach things with another 10' or
so.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I don’t remember the details, I believe it had 30 ft vertical reach and
> was mounted on an F450 flat bed.  He was an electrician and used it for
> putting wires and lights on utility poles.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>
> what kind of truck ken? sounds like a tree truck, not a telecom/electric
> boom
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
>> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
>> than a bucket truck!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
>>> truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
>>> one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
>>> or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
>>> the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
>>> it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
>>> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
>>> get LOS.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>>>
>>> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
>>> you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
 $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
 Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
 bucket truck.

 That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
 nice.

 On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited
 use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
 customer's yards.

 On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in a
> galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I
> guess.
> On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> 22k for both is a great deal!
>>
>> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
>> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able
>> to reach some things.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
>>> on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have
>>> lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my 
>>> son
>>> in law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel
>>> truck.  He paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  
>>> Great
>>> for camera installs and even cutting tree branches.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t remember the details, I believe it had 30 ft vertical reach and was 
mounted on an F450 flat bed.  He was an electrician and used it for putting 
wires and lights on utility poles.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

what kind of truck ken? sounds like a tree truck, not a telecom/electric boom

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

  For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and easy 
to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper than a 
bucket truck!

  On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket 
truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s one 
thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing or 
installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof, the 
bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of it, and 
the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the roof.

For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket truck 
is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would get LOS.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid you 
need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for 
$300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.  
Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a bucket 
truck.  

  That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be nice.  


  On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited 
use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in 
customer's yards.

On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in 
a galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I 
guess.  

  On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

22k for both is a great deal! 

Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will 
probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able to 
reach some things.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That 
fall on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have 
lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my son in 
law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel truck.  He 
paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  Great for camera 
installs and even cutting tree branches.  

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[TJ Trout]

what kind of truck ken? sounds like a tree truck, not a telecom/electric
boom

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
> than a bucket truck!
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
>> truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
>> one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
>> or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
>> the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
>> it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
>> roof.
>>
>> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
>> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
>> get LOS.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>>
>> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
>> you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
>>> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
>>> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
>>> bucket truck.
>>>
>>> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
>>> nice.
>>>
>>> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited use
>>> of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
>>> customer's yards.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in a
 galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I
 guess.
 On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> 22k for both is a great deal!
>
> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able
> to reach some things.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
>> on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have
>> lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my 
>> son
>> in law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel
>> truck.  He paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  
>> Great
>> for camera installs and even cutting tree branches.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Ryan Ray]

For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
than a bucket truck!

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
> truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
> one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
> or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
> the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
> it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
> roof.
>
> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
> get LOS.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>
> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
> you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
>> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
>> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
>> bucket truck.
>>
>> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be nice.
>>
>> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited use
>> of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
>> customer's yards.
>>
>> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in a
>>> galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I
>>> guess.
>>> On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 22k for both is a great deal!

 Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
 probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able
 to reach some things.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall on
> ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have lightning
> quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my son in law 
> has
> a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel truck.  He
> paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  Great for camera
> installs and even cutting tree branches.
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Ken Hohhof]

Looks OK to me.



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

Duh =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  Warning: DO NOT COPY/PASTE THAT IN TO GOOGLE AT WORK

  NSFW

  :P


  On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
  > 37-24-36
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016
  > 12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
  > I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
  > Like I should win a prize.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Chuck McCown]

Google just points me to the biblical story of Joseph's brothers being mean 
to him


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

Warning: DO NOT COPY/PASTE THAT IN TO GOOGLE AT WORK

NSFW

:P

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

37-24-36

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016
12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
Like I should win a prize. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Josh Luthman]

Duh =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Warning: DO NOT COPY/PASTE THAT IN TO GOOGLE AT WORK
>
> NSFW
>
> :P
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > 37-24-36
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18,
> 2016
> > 12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
> > I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I
> feel
> > Like I should win a prize.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Josh Reynolds]

Warning: DO NOT COPY/PASTE THAT IN TO GOOGLE AT WORK

NSFW

:P

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 37-24-36
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016
> 12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
> I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
> Like I should win a prize.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Christopher Tyler]

Col. Sanders.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

I have the same code on my luggage!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
> Like I should win a prize.
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Gino Villarini]

we are offering up to 500 mbps...

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yes, I like it better.  One minor thought - will some viewers be stupid
> enough to think the speedometer going up to 50 means 50 Mbps?
>
> Somehow that reminds me of Spaceballs and "they've gone to plaid".
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video
>
> I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
> AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(
>
> Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
> noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
> good website filler.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> did some mods per feedback
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/152178736
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
 individuals in the MDU?

 No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
 lost the viewer by that time.

 bp
 


 On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

>
> guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:
>
> https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0
>
> Feedback always appreciated!
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Gino Villarini]

same issue in both ...

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Try Youtube or one of the other Vimeo competitors?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks, yes the artifacts on the sped boats really bother me... but i
>> have found no way to remove them... on file they look great, when its
>> uploaded, it gets bad
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
>>> AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(
>>>
>>> Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
>>> noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
>>> good website filler.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>> > did some mods per feedback
>>> >
>>> > https://vimeo.com/152178736
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a
>>> clue
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
>>> >>> individuals in the MDU?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end.
>>> Probably
>>> >>> lost the viewer by that time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> 
>>>  guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:
>>> 
>>>  https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0
>>> 
>>>  Feedback always appreciated!
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, I like it better.  One minor thought - will some viewers be stupid 
enough to think the speedometer going up to 50 means 50 Mbps?


Somehow that reminds me of Spaceballs and "they've gone to plaid".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(

Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
good website filler.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:

did some mods per feedback

https://vimeo.com/152178736

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:


the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
individuals in the MDU?

No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
lost the viewer by that time.

bp



On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:

https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0

Feedback always appreciated!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Josh Luthman]

Only if she's 5'3".


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 37-24-36
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016
> 12:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers
> I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
> Like I should win a prize.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Chuck McCown]

37-24-36

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:10 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers 

I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I 
feel Like I should win a prize.

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Josh Luthman]

Try Youtube or one of the other Vimeo competitors?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> thanks, yes the artifacts on the sped boats really bother me... but i have
> found no way to remove them... on file they look great, when its uploaded,
> it gets bad
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
>> AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(
>>
>> Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
>> noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
>> good website filler.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>> > did some mods per feedback
>> >
>> > https://vimeo.com/152178736
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a
>> clue
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
>> >>> individuals in the MDU?
>> >>>
>> >>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end.
>> Probably
>> >>> lost the viewer by that time.
>> >>>
>> >>> bp
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>  guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:
>> 
>>  https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0
>> 
>>  Feedback always appreciated!
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Gino Villarini]

thanks, yes the artifacts on the sped boats really bother me... but i have
found no way to remove them... on file they look great, when its uploaded,
it gets bad

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
> AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(
>
> Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
> noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
> good website filler.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
> > did some mods per feedback
> >
> > https://vimeo.com/152178736
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
> >>> individuals in the MDU?
> >>>
> >>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
> >>> lost the viewer by that time.
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
>  guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:
> 
>  https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0
> 
>  Feedback always appreciated!
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Josh Reynolds]

I saw the girl at the laptop, then i read "FLEXIBLE, EASY, LOCAL,
AVAILABLE" ... and lost my train of thought :(

Anyway, the compression artifacts on the speedboat clip at very
noticeable. This is quite a bit better than before, and should be a
good website filler.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> did some mods per feedback
>
> https://vimeo.com/152178736
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
>>> individuals in the MDU?
>>>
>>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
>>> lost the viewer by that time.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:

 https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0

 Feedback always appreciated!

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Josh Luthman]

I have the same code on my luggage!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I feel
> Like I should win a prize.
>

[AFMUG] OT: Nice Round Numbers

[Nate Burke]

I just opened a support ticket with a company and got ticket #12345 I 
feel Like I should win a prize.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[Chuck McCown]

You can technically buy stuff there but during the checkout process it tells 
you can get better pricing and availability by going to the 
dealers/distributors.  Only 4 people have actually gone all the way through and 
purchased.  It seems to be working well to drive sales to the dealers.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

Do you actually use this as an online store?  Or just a catalog?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due  to policy 
violations.
I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick accent tell 
me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.  I told him I did not 
sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and tower mounts.  Back and forth, 
escalating to a woman that has less of an accent, she tells me that it is in 
violation of their policy.  I ask for a copy, nope, it is a secret she cannot 
tell me.  OK, so I am breaking a Google law but that law is secret and you 
cannot tell me how I am breaking it.  Yep.  OK suggestions please.  She 
suggested that I explain on the front page of the web site what it is we do.  I 
told her we make and sell crap.  She said that is not clear and that we need to 
explain that.

OK, so I now explain that.  Arrgh.

www.mccowntech.com  A bit of snark there.  Not sure how far to push the snark, 
do not want the big G to get pissed off at me...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[Travis Johnson]

Reminds me of D&B... when you have any kind of a "negative" mark on your 
business credit, and you call them as ask what it is, they won't tell 
you. "How am I supposed to fix the issue if you won't tell me what it 
is?"  "I don't know what to tell you, sir."


Since that day (almost 10 years ago), I no longer base anything I do on 
a D&B report from anyone.


Travis


On 1/18/2016 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due  to 
policy violations.
I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick 
accent tell me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.  I 
told him I did not sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and 
tower mounts.  Back and forth, escalating to a woman that has less of 
an accent, she tells me that it is in violation of their policy.  I 
ask for a copy, nope, it is a secret she cannot tell me.  OK, so I am 
breaking a Google law but that law is secret and you cannot tell me 
how I am breaking it.  Yep.  OK suggestions please.  She suggested 
that I explain on the front page of the web site what it is we do.  I 
told her we make and sell crap.  She said that is not clear and that 
we need to explain that.

OK, so I now explain that.  Arrgh.
www.mccowntech.com   A bit of snark there.  
Not sure how far to push the snark, do not want the big G to get 
pissed off at me...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[Jaime Solorza]

As my brother would say, "Its The Man oppressing you!"  Damn Chan, your
website seems innocuous enough...wait...must be a conspiracy... yes that's
it.I guess don't show too much intelligence and play nice
On Jan 18, 2016 11:46 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due  to
> policy violations.
> I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick accent
> tell me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.  I told him I
> did not sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and tower mounts.
> Back and forth, escalating to a woman that has less of an accent, she tells
> me that it is in violation of their policy.  I ask for a copy, nope, it is
> a secret she cannot tell me.  OK, so I am breaking a Google law but that
> law is secret and you cannot tell me how I am breaking it.  Yep.  OK
> suggestions please.  She suggested that I explain on the front page of the
> web site what it is we do.  I told her we make and sell crap.  She said
> that is not clear and that we need to explain that.
>
> OK, so I now explain that.  Arrgh.
>
> www.mccowntech.com  A bit of snark there.  Not sure how far to push the
> snark, do not want the big G to get pissed off at me...
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, I think this might be their problem.

They are back in office tomorrow so I’ll see if I can get their config instead 
of status page.

I’ll do a BGP print from my mikrotik as well tomorrow to make sure.

Dennis from LinkTechs is doing my config, so I’m sure it will be configured 
correctly once we get past stage one, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

32 bit BGP AS works fine between Mikrotik and Brocade MLXe.  They have a config 
issue.  Have them send you running-config pertaining to your session. Also post 
your config.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
[https://docs.google.com/a/northcentraltower.com/uc?id=0B12mNmVrr3-PbU1UMFk0OUFhOGs&export=download]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
post your bgp config pls.

Also, why are they using next hop self  = yes.

and based on what you posted on the MT Forum (it is not the config, more of a 
status ..) would indicate that Their side is complaining about your ASN.

:)




Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:53:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?
This is what I see.

I posted their config in this mikrotik post here:

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=103924

I appreciate your help.

It’s got to be something simple on their end or my end.

I have nearly the same config set up on another 1072 to another peer and it 
enteres the accept state with the same ASN.
So I’m still leaning towards it being their Brocade.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?


Enable BGP logging in Mikrotik, this should give you better detail. Make sure 
the info you get back in the log is correct (that they have your AS set right), 
and double check your config.
On Jan 16, 2016 7:19 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I'm running one of those new fancy routerboard CCR 1072 routers on RouterOS 
6.33.1.

If I use my 32 bit BGP AS number the remote says Bad Remote AS.
If I fake one around 65010 then it establishes a connection.

Is this my problem or theirs?

They are using Brocade MLXe code 5.8.

Anyone else established a succesfull BGP with 32 bit AS number on routeros?

Just want to try and narrow this down before I blame their Brocade for being 
complete junk, hahaha!

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Josh Luthman]

I like that a lot more!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> did some mods per feedback
>
> https://vimeo.com/152178736
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
>>> individuals in the MDU?
>>>
>>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
>>> lost the viewer by that time.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
 guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:

 https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0

 Feedback always appreciated!


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] feedback on our mdu video

[Gino Villarini]

did some mods per feedback

https://vimeo.com/152178736

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> the video will reside on the website, so the visitor  already has a clue
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Who is your audience? Are you selling this to the MDU owner, or to
>> individuals in the MDU?
>>
>> No clue what you're selling until you see the name at the end. Probably
>> lost the viewer by that time.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/2016 6:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> guys, please check the video we made for intro of our MDU project:
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/9iXZjmYJZj0
>>>
>>> Feedback always appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

[Ken Hohhof]

Do you actually use this as an online store?  Or just a catalog?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Google Grumble

So Google Merchant Center said that my stuff was all suspended due  to policy 
violations.
I get on the phone and wait and wait and then get the guy the thick accent tell 
me that they do not allow radar jammers to be listed.  I told him I did not 
sell radar jammers, I sell surge suppressors and tower mounts.  Back and forth, 
escalating to a woman that has less of an accent, she tells me that it is in 
violation of their policy.  I ask for a copy, nope, it is a secret she cannot 
tell me.  OK, so I am breaking a Google law but that law is secret and you 
cannot tell me how I am breaking it.  Yep.  OK suggestions please.  She 
suggested that I explain on the front page of the web site what it is we do.  I 
told her we make and sell crap.  She said that is not clear and that we need to 
explain that.

OK, so I now explain that.  Arrgh.

www.mccowntech.com  A bit of snark there.  Not sure how far to push the snark, 
do not want the big G to get pissed off at me...