date:20160826

[AFMUG] Looks like Comcast is taking customer service to a new level

2016-08-26 Thread Rory Conaway

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Installer-Runs-Over-Kills-Grandfather-in-Atlanta-137744

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only a 
hole in Arizona".  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Ah, okay. access via iBGP, infrastructure, management, etc. via OSPF. 

Got it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jesse DuPont"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:03:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness 

Right, PTP and loopback prefixes are distributed with OSPF (and possibly 
management subnets for radios) and "access" network prefixes (customer-facing) 
are distributed via iBGP. 
I have two of my routers configured as BGP route reflectors and all other 
routers peer with only these two; this solves the full mesh and provides 
redundancy. 




Jesse DuPont 

Network Architect 
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net 
Celerity Networks LLC 
Celerity Broadband LLC 
Like us! facebook.com / celeritynetworksllc 
Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband 

On 8/25/16 8:40 PM, David Milholen wrote: 



He may have meant only have the ptp and loopback addresses listed in networks 



On 8/25/2016 9:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



I've heard this concept a few times now. I'm not sure how only using OSPF for 
the loopbacks works. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bruce Robertson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:28:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness 

I've said it before, and been argued with... this is one of many reasons why 
you use iBGP to distribute {customer, dynamic pool, server subnets, anything} 
routes, and use OSPF *only* to distribute router loopback addresses.ï¿½ All 
your weird OSPF problems will go away.ï¿½ My apologies if I'm misunderstanding 
the problem, but my point still stands. 


On 08/25/2016 10:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote: 




Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network since I started to 
renumber some PPPoE pools. 
Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from x.x.x.192/27 pool). 
Customer canï¿½t surf and I canï¿½t ping them from my office: 
ï¿½ 
[office] ï¿½ [Bernie Router] ï¿½ [Braggcity Router] ï¿½ [Ross Router] ï¿½ 
[Hayti Router] ï¿½ [customer] 
ï¿½ 
A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I am not getting any 
type of ICMP response from the Bernie router ie no ICMP Host Unreachable/Dest 
unreachable etc ï¿½ just blackholes after my office router. 
A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at the Bernie router 
with no type of response. 
ï¿½ 
Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a valid route pointing to 
the Braggcity router. It is also in the OSPF LSAï¿½s. 
-- 
Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all. 
ï¿½ 
-- 
Force the original customer to a new ip address of x.x.x.205/32 and the service 
starts working again. 
ï¿½ 
-- 
ï¿½ 
Now ï¿½ even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32 in the routing 
table ï¿½ traffic destined to the x.x.x.208/32 IP is still getting blackholed.. 
I should be getting a Destination host unreachable from the Bernie router. 
ï¿½ 
This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used and there is no 
route to it: 
C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206 
ï¿½ 
Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data: 
Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable. 
Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable. 
ï¿½ 
Ping statistics for x.x.x.206: 
ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss), 
ï¿½ 
C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206 
ï¿½ 
Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206] 
over a maximum of 30 hops: 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 7 msï¿½ z.z.z.z 
ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ y.bpsnetworks.com 
[y.y.y.1] 
ï¿½ 3ï¿½ y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1] ï¿½reports: Destination host unreachable. 
ï¿½ 
Trace complete. 
ï¿½ 
This is what I see to x.x.x.208 even though it is not being used and there is 
no route to it. 
C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.208 
ï¿½ 
Pinging x.x.x.208 with 32 bytes of data: 
Request timed out. 
Request timed out. 
ï¿½ 
Ping statistics for x.x.x.208: 
ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 0, Lost = 2 (100% loss), 
ï¿½ 
C:\Users\netadmin>tracert x.x.x.208 
ï¿½ 
Tracing route to host-x.x.x.208.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.208] 
over a maximum of 30 hops: 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ z.z.z.z 
ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 
Request timed out. 
ï¿½ 3ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ ^C 
ï¿½ 
-- 
ï¿½ 
Iï¿½ve verified there is no firewall that would affect the traffic ï¿½ I even 
put an accept rule in the forward chain for both the source and destination of 
x.x.x.208 and neither increment at all. So the traffic is not even making out 
of the routing flow and into the firewall.. 
ï¿½ 
Any pointers are where to start troubleshooting next? 
!DSPAM:2,57bf295962076342819562! 







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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

2016-08-26 Thread David Milholen


Are these two reflectors edge facing ?



On 8/25/2016 11:54 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

Route reflectors.

On 08/25/2016 07:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Interesting proposition

How to do you manage the ibgp mesh requirement ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Bruce Robertson" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:28:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

I've said it before, and been argued with... this is one of many
reasons why you use iBGP to distribute {customer, dynamic pool,
server subnets, anything} routes, and use OSPF *only* to
distribute router loopback addresses.ï¿½ All your weird OSPF
problems will go away.ï¿½ My apologies if I'm misunderstanding
the problem, but my point still stands.

On 08/25/2016 10:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote:

Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network
since I started to renumber some PPPoE pools.

Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from
x.x.x.192/27 pool). Customer canï¿½t surf and I canï¿½t ping
them from my office:

ï¿½

[office] ï¿½ [Bernie Router] ï¿½ [Braggcity Router] ï¿½ [Ross
Router] ï¿½ [Hayti Router] ï¿½ [customer]

ï¿½

A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I am
not getting any type of ICMP response from the Bernie router
ie no ICMP Host Unreachable/Dest unreachable etc ï¿½ just
blackholes after my office router.

A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at
the Bernie router with no type of response.

ï¿½

Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a valid
route pointing to the Braggcity router. It is also in the
OSPF LSAï¿½s.

--

Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all.

ï¿½

--

Force the original customer to a new ip address of
x.x.x.205/32 and the service starts working again.

ï¿½

--

ï¿½

Now ï¿½ even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32
in the routing table ï¿½ traffic destined to the x.x.x.208/32
IP is still getting blackholed.. I should be getting a
Destination host unreachable from the Bernie router.

ï¿½

This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used
and there is no route to it:

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206

ï¿½

Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

ï¿½

Ping statistics for x.x.x.206:

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

ï¿½

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206

ï¿½

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

ï¿½

ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 7 msï¿½
z.z.z.z

ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½
y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]

ï¿½ 3ï¿½ y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1] ï¿½reports: Destination
host unreachable.

ï¿½

Trace complete.

ï¿½

This is what I see to x.x.x.208 even though it is not being
used and there is no route to it.

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.208

ï¿½

Pinging x.x.x.208 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

ï¿½

Ping statistics for x.x.x.208:

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 0, Lost = 2 (100% loss),

ï¿½

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert x.x.x.208

ï¿½

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.208.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.208]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

ï¿½

ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½
z.z.z.z

ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
*ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Request timed out.

ï¿½ 3ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ ^C

ï¿½

--

ï¿½

Iï¿½ve verified there is no firewall that would affect the
traffic ï¿½ I even put an accept rule in the forward chain
for both the source and destination of x.x.x.208 and neither
increment at all. So the traffic is not even making out of
the routing flow and into the firewall..

ï¿½

Any pointers are where to start troubleshooting next?



!DSPAM:2,57bfa9b9213521526810955! 




--

Re: [AFMUG] Looks like Comcast is taking customer service to a new level

2016-08-26 Thread David Milholen


I just forwarded this to our front office as a mandatory read

Just HOLY COW!



On 8/26/2016 2:00 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Installer-Runs-Over-Kills-Grandfather-in-Atlanta-137744

*Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

ï¿½Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
only a hole in Arizonaï¿½.  -  George Frederick Will




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Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread David Milholen


Was ICQ before that.. I think I still have my 4 digit number LOL



On 8/24/2016 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for 
interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different 
username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without 
configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to 
login logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, 
and histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop 
on the same account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation 
history.


trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it 
connects to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) 
from multiple devices at the same time


They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid 
client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual 
licensing and optional renewal


It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient 
days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my 
unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have 
grown, but is it still a toy software?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




--

Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread David Milholen


Yoda Voice."Strong with the WISP he is."



On 8/24/2016 5:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I didn’t realize Pidgin was an IM client, and thought you were making 
fun of his grammar.  Which was maybe somewhat Yodaspeak but not pidgin.

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

Pidgen now isn't it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 24, 2016 5:57 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client
for interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a
different username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop,
etc without configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita
to remember to login logout everytime you changed locations if you
wanted uniformity, and histories only logged on the server, so if
i popped on my laptop on the same account as my workstation it
wouldnt have the workstation history.
trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it
connects to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc)
from multiple devices at the same time
They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a
paid client with some features, and an in house server with
perpetual licensing and optional renewal
It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb
miscreient days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7
packages to my unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It
seems to have grown, but is it still a toy software?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.



--

Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Damn, I'm a seven digit... 1290217. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "David Milholen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:02:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM? 


Was ICQ before that.. I think I still have my 4 digit number LOL 



On 8/24/2016 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM? 


We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for 
interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration 
the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different username 
on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without configuring a boot on 
the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login logout everytime you 
changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and histories only logged on the 
server, so if i popped on my laptop on the same account as my workstation it 
wouldnt have the workstation history. 


trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it connects to 
your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from multiple devices at 
the same time 


They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid client 
with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing and 
optional renewal 


It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient days it 
was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my unsuspecting 
victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown, but is it still a 
toy software? 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 




--

Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

This makes me want to go look for my number.

I once had a 4 digit slashdot account :(

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Damn, I'm a seven digit...  1290217.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"David Milholen" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 7:02:38 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>
> Was ICQ before that.. I think I still have my 4 digit number LOL
>
>
>
> On 8/24/2016 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>
> We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for
> interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
> the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different
> username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without
> configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login
> logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and
> histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop on the
> same account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation history.
>
> trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it connects
> to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from multiple
> devices at the same time
>
> They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid
> client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing
> and optional renewal
>
> It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient
> days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my
> unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown,
> but is it still a toy software?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
> --
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Damn, it was worth a shot.

My original ICQ account was tied to a @mindspring.com account from their
dialup days. Looks like they've had a database wipe or 15 since then. Heh ;)

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> This makes me want to go look for my number.
>
> I once had a 4 digit slashdot account :(
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Damn, I'm a seven digit...  1290217.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"David Milholen" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 7:02:38 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>>
>> Was ICQ before that.. I think I still have my 4 digit number LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2016 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>>
>> We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for
>> interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
>> the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different
>> username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without
>> configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login
>> logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and
>> histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop on the
>> same account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation history.
>>
>> trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it
>> connects to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from
>> multiple devices at the same time
>>
>> They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid
>> client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing
>> and optional renewal
>>
>> It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient
>> days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my
>> unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown,
>> but is it still a toy software?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is
> done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>
> 602-426-0542
>
> r...@triadwireless.net
>
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only
> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn't take a lot of employees to run fiber once it's installed 
correctly.
The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only a 
hole in Arizona".  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Joe Novak

Is it the fact that they may have under estimated the time and money needed
to build out fiber to so many people?



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
> > I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
> > area(s).
> >
> >
> >
> > That number they report is meaningless.
> >
> >
> >
> > I bet their take in Provo is very high.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
> > installed correctly.
> >
> > The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
> is
> > done and now they maintain.
> >
> >
> >
> > I call BS on this article.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-
> to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
> >
> >
> >
> > Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> >
> > 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> >
> > 602-426-0542
> >
> > r...@triadwireless.net
> >
> > www.triadwireless.net
> >
> >
> >
> > “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
> only
> > a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

In certain markets, yes. In other markets once in the initial build
out is done, they don't need nearly the number of staff / contractors
to manage and or roll out everything.

Their "per area" method is actually really well designed in terms of
maximizing resources to hit an area as fast as possible. They invest a
large amount of capital for installs to maximize MRR out the gate.
Once deployed to an area, surrounding areas generate massive interest
via word of mouth and press, then they start in a new area. All of
their ISP/OSP workers and installers are covering a few to a dozen
blocks at a time, for anywhere from a few weeks to a few months
depending on the size.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
> Is it the fact that they may have under estimated the time and money needed
> to build out fiber to so many people?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>> > I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> > area(s).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > That number they report is meaningless.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> > installed correctly.
>> >
>> > The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> > is
>> > done and now they maintain.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I call BS on this article.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>> >
>> > 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>> >
>> > 602-426-0542
>> >
>> > r...@triadwireless.net
>> >
>> > www.triadwireless.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> > only
>> > a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Adam Moffett

"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
contributor."


All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I 
think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy 
as they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.


Which part is BS?


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
area(s).




That number they report is meaningless.



I bet their take in Provo is very high.



Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
installed correctly.


The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the 
job is done and now they maintain.




I call BS on this article.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information



https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

http://www.triadwireless.net/



“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Gino Villarini

there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165

https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/

https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
> contributor."
>
> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>
> Which part is BS?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
> is done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-
> to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *http://www.triadwireless.net/ *
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Gino Villarini

As beautiful at it might be, fiber its not the panacea .. a hybrid network
approach is more plausible, especially now with new pmp gigabit gear become
available

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-
> hit-snags-1471193165
>
> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=
> QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-
> stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>
> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-
> as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
>> contributor."
>>
>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
>> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
>> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>
>> Which part is BS?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
>> Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *http://www.triadwireless.net/ *
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looks like Comcast is taking customer service to a new level

2016-08-26 Thread Bill Prince

Somewhat ironic name for the poor victim; Dewey Skidmore (sounds like 
"Do we skid more?").



bp


On 8/26/2016 5:01 AM, David Milholen wrote:


I just forwarded this to our front office as a mandatory read

Just HOLY COW!



On 8/26/2016 2:00 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Installer-Runs-Over-Kills-Grandfather-in-Atlanta-137744

ï¿½

*Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*ï¿½*

ï¿½Baseball, it is said, is only a game.ï¿½ True.ï¿½ And the Grand 
Canyon is only a hole in Arizonaï¿½.ï¿½ -ï¿½ George Frederick Will


ï¿½



--

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Bill Prince


Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?

/"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of 
laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing 
infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses 
fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/


bp


On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165

https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/

https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the
primary contributor."
All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.
I think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't
as easy as they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with
reality.
Which part is BS?
-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a
given area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once
it’s installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than
the job is done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*http://www.triadwireless.net/*

**

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand
Canyon is only a hole in Arizona”.  - George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

2016-08-26 Thread Bruce Robertson

Never!  I can't think of a single need for such a thing.  No reason you 
can't use private address space.


On 08/26/2016 04:58 AM, David Milholen wrote:


Are these two reflectors edge facing ?



On 8/25/2016 11:54 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

Route reflectors.

On 08/25/2016 07:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Interesting proposition

How to do you manage the ibgp mesh requirement ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Bruce Robertson" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:28:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

I've said it before, and been argued with... this is one of many
reasons why you use iBGP to distribute {customer, dynamic pool,
server subnets, anything} routes, and use OSPF *only* to
distribute router loopback addresses.ï¿½ All your weird OSPF
problems will go away.ï¿½ My apologies if I'm misunderstanding
the problem, but my point still stands.

On 08/25/2016 10:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote:

Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network
since I started to renumber some PPPoE pools.

Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from
x.x.x.192/27 pool). Customer canï¿½t surf and I canï¿½t ping
them from my office:

ï¿½

[office] ï¿½ [Bernie Router] ï¿½ [Braggcity Router] ï¿½
[Ross Router] ï¿½ [Hayti Router] ï¿½ [customer]

ï¿½

A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I
am not getting any type of ICMP response from the Bernie
router ie no ICMP Host Unreachable/Dest unreachable etc ï¿½
just blackholes after my office router.

A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at
the Bernie router with no type of response.

ï¿½

Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a
valid route pointing to the Braggcity router. It is also in
the OSPF LSAï¿½s.

--

Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all.

ï¿½

--

Force the original customer to a new ip address of
x.x.x.205/32 and the service starts working again.

ï¿½

--

ï¿½

Now ï¿½ even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32
in the routing table ï¿½ traffic destined to the
x.x.x.208/32 IP is still getting blackholed.. I should be
getting a Destination host unreachable from the Bernie router.

ï¿½

This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used
and there is no route to it:

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206

ï¿½

Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

ï¿½

Ping statistics for x.x.x.206:

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

ï¿½

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206

ï¿½

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

ï¿½

ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 7 msï¿½
z.z.z.z

ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½
y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]

ï¿½ 3ï¿½ y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1] ï¿½reports: Destination
host unreachable.

ï¿½

Trace complete.

ï¿½

This is what I see to x.x.x.208 even though it is not being
used and there is no route to it.

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.208

ï¿½

Pinging x.x.x.208 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

ï¿½

Ping statistics for x.x.x.208:

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 0, Lost = 2 (100% loss),

ï¿½

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert x.x.x.208

ï¿½

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.208.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.208]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

ï¿½

ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½
z.z.z.z

ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
*ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Request timed out.

ï¿½ 3ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ ^C

ï¿½

--

ï¿½

Iï¿½ve verified there is no firewall that would affect the
traffic ï¿½ I even put an accept rule in the forward chain
for both the source and destination of x.x.x.208 and neither
increment at all. So the traffic is not even making out of
the routing flow and into the firewall..

ï¿½

Any pointers are where to start troubles

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Gino Villarini

probably they meant gigabit antennas.  Webpass is a big player in MDU
gigaibit internet

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>
> *"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying
> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure.
> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic
> antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."*
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-
> hit-snags-1471193165
>
> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=
> QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-
> stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>
> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-
> as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
>> contributor."
>>
>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
>> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
>> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>
>> Which part is BS?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
>> Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *http://www.triadwireless.net/ *
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Nate Burke

A complex system of mirrors that beam the laser in all directions, you 
just have to hold up the end of the fiber cable to pick it up. It's like 
how you can pull the Cable out of the SFP and it'll still work for like 
an inch.  Same concept, bigger lasers.  They provide safety glasses to 
everyone within the coverage area anytime they go outside.


On 8/26/2016 10:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?

/"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of 
laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing 
infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that 
uses fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/


bp


On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165

https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/

https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the
primary contributor."
All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they
thought. I think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out
it wasn't as easy as they thought, and that plans don't survive
contact with reality.
Which part is BS?
-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a
given area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesnï¿½t take a lot of employees to run fiber once
itï¿½s installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than
the job is done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



*Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*http://www.triadwireless.net/*

**

ï¿½Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand
Canyon is only a hole in Arizonaï¿½.  - George Frederick Will

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2016-08-26 Thread Rick Harnish

 

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[AFMUG] Canopy SNMP AP

2016-08-26 Thread Matt

Is there a command to send the AP to obtain the management IP address
of a connected SM?

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy SNMP AP

2016-08-26 Thread Bill Prince

The LUID is the number used for the last octet in the private management 
address.


Unless you are talking about the remote configuration interface, which 
is set (or not set) in the SM?



bp


On 8/26/2016 9:00 AM, Matt wrote:

Is there a command to send the AP to obtain the management IP address
of a connected SM?

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy SNMP AP

2016-08-26 Thread Gerard Dupont III

This will show all of the connected ESN's.
snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.3

The last number in the returned oid is the LUID

This will show all of the management IP's based on LUID.
snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.69

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Matt  wrote:
> Is there a command to send the AP to obtain the management IP address
> of a connected SM?

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 8/26/16 08:47, Bill Prince wrote:

Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?

/"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of
laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing
infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses
fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/




Wireless is often a dirty word.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Robert Andrews

The folks running this for Google ran the first cable isp.  I doubt they 
have any lack of understanding of the issues of running an ISP or 
initial uptake in new markets.   This is probably trimming excess staff 
and consolidating investment rates to more reasonable levels.  Also 
serves to give them more "pull" (pun intended) with cities they are 
interested in entering.  When someone wants you and cant have you they 
are willing to do more to get you...


On 08/26/2016 07:46 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
contributor."
All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought. I
think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy
as they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
Which part is BS?
-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
job is done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]
*On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*http://www.triadwireless.net/*

**

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Robert Andrews

Must be based upon AirFiber technology...  One step beyond air and 
mirrors technology...


On 08/26/2016 08:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?

/"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of
laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing
infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses
fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/

bp


On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165

https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/

https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the
primary contributor."
All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.
I think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't
as easy as they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with
reality.
Which part is BS?
-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a
given area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once
it’s installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than
the job is done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*http://www.triadwireless.net/*

**

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand
Canyon is only a hole in Arizona”.  - George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

I have cones. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:27:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 




Impressive use of orange cones. I hate it though when people park next to each 
other on opposite sides of the street. And is that the downside to the smaller 
cargo vans, you need 3 of them? 





From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 


there are numerous reports about this on the press lately : 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165 


https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
 


https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
 


https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
 



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
contributor." 

All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought. I think 
almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as they 
thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality. 

Which part is BS? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 





I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given area(s). 

That number they report is meaningless. 

I bet their take in Provo is very high. 

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s installed 
correctly. 
The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
done and now they maintain. 

I call BS on this article. 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
http://www.triadwireless.net/ 

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a 
hole in Arizona”. - George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Hate* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:27:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 




Impressive use of orange cones. I hate it though when people park next to each 
other on opposite sides of the street. And is that the downside to the smaller 
cargo vans, you need 3 of them? 





From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 


there are numerous reports about this on the press lately : 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165 


https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
 


https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
 


https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
 



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
contributor." 

All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought. I think 
almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as they 
thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality. 

Which part is BS? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 





I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given area(s). 

That number they report is meaningless. 

I bet their take in Provo is very high. 

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s installed 
correctly. 
The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
done and now they maintain. 

I call BS on this article. 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
http://www.triadwireless.net/ 

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a 
hole in Arizona”. - George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Sterling Jacobson

What facts?

The facts they state are layoffs due to speculation of number of customers 
being lower than target.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

"The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
contributor."

All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I think 
almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as they 
thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.

Which part is BS?

-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s installed 
correctly.
The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
http://www.triadwireless.net/

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only a 
hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy SNMP AP

2016-08-26 Thread Matt

> This will show all of the connected ESN's.
> snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.3
>
> The last number in the returned oid is the LUID
>
> This will show all of the management IP's based on LUID.
> snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.69


Works perfect.  Thanks.


>> Is there a command to send the AP to obtain the management IP address
>> of a connected SM?

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Rory Conaway

I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we are 
doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard lesson 
in what you have to do to get people to switch.

You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 4Mbps 
DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and you can be 
the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 50% to switch.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the 
> job is done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>
> 602-426-0542
>
> r...@triadwireless.net
>
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

but you're not selling fiber, you're not Google and I bet there aren't droves 
of people willing to fellate you for your service. That's what Google Fiber has 
going for it. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:31:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

I wouldn't believe that for a minute. I've got a couple areas that we are doing 
marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard lesson in 
what you have to do to get people to switch. 

You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 4Mbps 
DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and you can be 
the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 50% to 
switch. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas. 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote: 
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
> area(s). 
> 
> 
> 
> That number they report is meaningless. 
> 
> 
> 
> I bet their take in Provo is very high. 
> 
> 
> 
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
> installed correctly. 
> 
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the 
> job is done and now they maintain. 
> 
> 
> 
> I call BS on this article. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A 
> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750 
> 
> 
> 
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
> 
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
> 
> 602-426-0542 
> 
> r...@triadwireless.net 
> 
> www.triadwireless.net 
> 
> 
> 
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is 
> only a hole in Arizona”. - George Frederick Will 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I think it’s definitely market dependent.

I have MDU areas which are more transient and possibly lower income that the 
take rate hovers around 50 percent.

Then I have affluent neighborhoods where the take rate is near 80% like stated 
below.

Each neighborhood is different even within our city.

It is very interesting.

I use our database of people that have already signed up for a neighborhood to 
help prioritize our build.

It would be wise to do marketing research to see what would happen in any given 
area.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

but you're not selling fiber, you're not Google and I bet there aren't droves 
of people willing to fellate you for your service. That's what Google Fiber has 
going for it.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:31:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we are 
doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard lesson 
in what you have to do to get people to switch.

You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 4Mbps 
DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and you can be 
the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 50% to switch.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
> job is done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>
> 602-426-0542
>
> r...@triadwireless.net
>
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 8/26/16 09:33, Mike Hammett wrote:

but you're not selling fiber, you're not Google and I bet there aren't
droves of people willing to fellate you for your service. That's what
Google Fiber has going for it.




They don't even need to be selling fiber, the Google name is enough.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Carlos Alcantar

Do you guys think it was possible that there 5 million subs in 5 years was a 
bit of an over reach?  I personally don't know a single utility 
(com/power/gas/water) that has turned up 5 million physical subscribers in 5 
years.  Cities are not built overnight.  Now doing it in a roll up manner might 
be possible.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com

From: Af  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:47:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I think it’s definitely market dependent.

I have MDU areas which are more transient and possibly lower income that the 
take rate hovers around 50 percent.

Then I have affluent neighborhoods where the take rate is near 80% like stated 
below.

Each neighborhood is different even within our city.

It is very interesting.

I use our database of people that have already signed up for a neighborhood to 
help prioritize our build.

It would be wise to do marketing research to see what would happen in any given 
area.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

but you're not selling fiber, you're not Google and I bet there aren't droves 
of people willing to fellate you for your service. That's what Google Fiber has 
going for it.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]

From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:31:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we are 
doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard lesson 
in what you have to do to get people to switch.

You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 4Mbps 
DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and you can be 
the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 50% to switch.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
> job is done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>
> 602-426-0542
>
> r...@triadwireless.net
>
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Christopher Tyler

Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even though 
they are all up and accessible.
Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell them to 
fix their server.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Running minimum versions?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> though they are all up and accessible.
> Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> them to fix their server.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Christopher Tyler

Everything running latest.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

Running minimum versions?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> though they are all up and accessible.
> Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> them to fix their server.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

>
>
> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
>
>
> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
> 
>
>
>
> WHEN & WHERE
>
> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>
> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>
> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX
> 75001
>
> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>
>
>
> WHY ATTEND?
>
> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
> future of wireless broadband
>
> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as
> he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>
> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>
> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> 
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
with others?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Everything running latest.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> Running minimum versions?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > though they are all up and accessible.
> > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > them to fix their server.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

No I'm staying home for this one.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> WHEN & WHERE
>>
>> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>>
>> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>>
>> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison,
>> TX 75001
>>
>> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>>
>>
>>
>> WHY ATTEND?
>>
>> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
>> future of wireless broadband
>>
>> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as
>> he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>>
>> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>>
>> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick Harnish*
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>
>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>
>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>
>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Rick Harnish

Would you like that Steve?  

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

  Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas 
September 20th

 

Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> > wrote:

 

Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!

 

   

 

 

 Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX

 

WHEN & WHERE

*  Tuesday, September 20, 2016

*  9:30 am to 1:30 pm

*  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX 75001

*  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided. 

 

WHY ATTEND?

*  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the future 
of wireless broadband

*  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as he 
speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates 

*  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer

*  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443  

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com  

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news  

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Christopher Tyler

The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's now 
showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to change for some 
reason.
The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have been in 
that state for the last 20 minutes.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
with others?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Everything running latest.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> Running minimum versions?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > though they are all up and accessible.
> > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > them to fix their server.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

holy cow, my icq account is still there, man it would be awesome if it had
archived the chat histories, ICQ was the best place to harass people and
pull tail

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Damn, it was worth a shot.
>
> My original ICQ account was tied to a @mindspring.com account from their
> dialup days. Looks like they've had a database wipe or 15 since then. Heh ;)
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> This makes me want to go look for my number.
>>
>> I once had a 4 digit slashdot account :(
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Damn, I'm a seven digit...  1290217.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"David Milholen" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 7:02:38 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>>>
>>> Was ICQ before that.. I think I still have my 4 digit number LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/24/2016 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> I used it a lot about 12 years ago. Not so much anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>> 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14:09 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>>>
>>> We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for
>>> interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
>>> the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different
>>> username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without
>>> configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login
>>> logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and
>>> histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop on the
>>> same account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation history.
>>>
>>> trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it
>>> connects to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from
>>> multiple devices at the same time
>>>
>>> They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid
>>> client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing
>>> and optional renewal
>>>
>>> It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient
>>> days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my
>>> unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown,
>>> but is it still a toy software?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Adam Moffett


Inside joke?

Is there a reason he would be you up Josh?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/26/2016 1:22:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas 
September 20th



No I'm staying home for this one.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
 wrote:



Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!








Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX



WHEN & WHERE

·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016

·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm

·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, 
Addison, TX 75001


·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.



WHY ATTEND?

·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss 
the future of wireless broadband


·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, 
as he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates


·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer

·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements



Respectfully,



Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Im not saying I promote violence...but I promote violence

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> Would you like that Steve?
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 1:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas
> September 20th
>
>
>
> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>
> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
> 
>
>
>
> WHEN & WHERE
>
> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>
> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>
> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX
> 75001
>
> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>
>
>
> WHY ATTEND?
>
> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
> future of wireless broadband
>
> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as
> he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>
> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>
> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Probably have to go to the forum for any assistance, that's where I'd go
for this.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's
> now showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to change
> for some reason.
> The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have
> been in that state for the last 20 minutes.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
> with others?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Everything running latest.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> >
> > Running minimum versions?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > > though they are all up and accessible.
> > > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > > them to fix their server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Tyler
> > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > 417.851.1107
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Not until Scottie tells him to.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Inside joke?
>
> Is there a reason he would be you up Josh?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/26/2016 1:22:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas
> September 20th
>
>
> No I'm staying home for this one.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEN & WHERE
>>>
>>> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>>>
>>> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>>>
>>> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison,
>>> TX 75001
>>>
>>> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHY ATTEND?
>>>
>>> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss
>>> the future of wireless broadband
>>>
>>> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter,
>>> as he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>>>
>>> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>>>
>>> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick Harnish*
>>>
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>>
>>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>>
>>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>>
>>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>>
>>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

2016-08-26 Thread Christopher Tyler

Cool, thanks for the info.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

Probably have to go to the forum for any assistance, that's where I'd go
for this.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's
> now showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to change
> for some reason.
> The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have
> been in that state for the last 20 minutes.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
> with others?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Everything running latest.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> >
> > Running minimum versions?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > > though they are all up and accessible.
> > > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > > them to fix their server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Tyler
> > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > 417.851.1107
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] COMMERCIAL: anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Thanks for the feedback, I did like that they gave me an actual price
without having to give them a ton of contact info to get harassed with

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Charles Boening 
wrote:

> We run an in-house Trillian server.  It’s integrated with AD and we use
> GPO for client deployment.  I must say it works really well.
>
>
>
> It does integrate with the public Trillian servers and public users can
> add your private server as well.  This is nice for us as we have several
> customers and vendors that use Trillian as well.
>
>
>
> We ran an Openfire server for many years before switching.  I just
> couldn’t find a client that we really liked that wasn’t overly bloated and
> slow.
>
>
>
> When we first deployed we uncovered a couple minor bugs related to how
> URLs are shared between public and private servers.  The Trillian team was
> all over it and provided a new build in a reasonable amount of time.  They
> are very responsive and easy to communicate with.
>
>
>
> Just my $0.02.  J
>
>
>
> __
>
>
>
> *Charles Boening*
>
> *Network Manager*
>
> 800-858-2399 | Office
>
> charl...@calore.net
>
>
>
> www.cot.net | Find us on Facebook
> 
>
> __
>
> *Cal-Ore*  | *Real. Local. Trusted. Professional.*
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* COMMERCIAL:[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>
>
>
> We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for
> interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
>
> the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different
> username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without
> configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login
> logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and
> histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop on the
> same account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation history.
>
>
>
> trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it connects
> to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from multiple
> devices at the same time
>
>
>
> They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid
> client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing
> and optional renewal
>
>
>
> It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient
> days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my
> unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown,
> but is it still a toy software?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] COMMERCIAL: anyone using trillian IM?

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Spend a day checking out slack. Seriously, it's quite nice - and free
for the main feature set. If there's a feature they have that you
don't want to pay for, check out Ryver.com.


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback, I did like that they gave me an actual price
> without having to give them a ton of contact info to get harassed with
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Charles Boening 
> wrote:
>>
>> We run an in-house Trillian server.  It’s integrated with AD and we use
>> GPO for client deployment.  I must say it works really well.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does integrate with the public Trillian servers and public users can
>> add your private server as well.  This is nice for us as we have several
>> customers and vendors that use Trillian as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> We ran an Openfire server for many years before switching.  I just
>> couldn’t find a client that we really liked that wasn’t overly bloated and
>> slow.
>>
>>
>>
>> When we first deployed we uncovered a couple minor bugs related to how
>> URLs are shared between public and private servers.  The Trillian team was
>> all over it and provided a new build in a reasonable amount of time.  They
>> are very responsive and easy to communicate with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my $0.02.  J
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Boening
>>
>> Network Manager
>>
>> 800-858-2399 | Office
>>
>> charl...@calore.net
>>
>>
>>
>> www.cot.net | Find us on Facebook
>>
>> __
>>
>> Cal-Ore  | Real. Local. Trusted. Professional.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: COMMERCIAL:[AFMUG] anyone using trillian IM?
>>
>>
>>
>> We run an openfire server and have always used the spak im client for
>> interoffice communication between TS, CS and and administration
>>
>> the problem is we never knew who was where and it required a different
>> username on each device, workstation, mobile, laptop, etc without
>> configuring a boot on the openfire server, just a pita to remember to login
>> logout everytime you changed locations if you wanted uniformity, and
>> histories only logged on the server, so if i popped on my laptop on the same
>> account as my workstation it wouldnt have the workstation history.
>>
>>
>>
>> trillian solves this as you connect to the trillian server and it connects
>> to your inhouse im server (or yahoo aol or facebook, etc) from multiple
>> devices at the same time
>>
>>
>>
>> They have a free client with their server with ads or whatever, a paid
>> client with some features, and an in house server with perpetual licensing
>> and optional renewal
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to meet the need, however, im my previous interweb miscreient
>> days it was trillian and ICQ i used to deliver sub7 packages to my
>> unsuspecting victims, ie, it was a toy software. It seems to have grown, but
>> is it still a toy software?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

We saw 90% GPON take rates in some subdivisions to replace CenturyLink
or MediaCom, and we were a factor to several factors more expensive.

CenturyLink and MediaCom service here are terrible, to the point that
it goes out when it rains because the amps flood.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we are 
> doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard 
> lesson in what you have to do to get people to switch.
>
> You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 
> 4Mbps DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and 
> you can be the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 
> 50% to switch.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have 
> heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original 
> free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
> wrote:
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
>> job is done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
>> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>
>> 602-426-0542
>>
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Bill Prince

Unless the main competitor is Comcast. Many people will take equal or 
even lower Mbps to get away from them.



bp


On 8/26/2016 9:31 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we are 
doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard lesson 
in what you have to do to get people to switch.

You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is 4Mbps 
DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and you can be 
the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to get 50% to switch.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).



That number they report is meaningless.



I bet their take in Provo is very high.



Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
job is done and now they maintain.



I call BS on this article.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information



https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I LOLed

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> A complex system of mirrors that beam the laser in all directions, you
> just have to hold up the end of the fiber cable to pick it up.ï¿½ It's like
> how you can pull the Cable out of the SFP and it'll still work for like an
> inch.ï¿½ Same concept, bigger lasers.ï¿½ They provide safety glasses to
> everyone within the coverage area anytime they go outside.ï¿½
>
> On 8/26/2016 10:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>
> *"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying
> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure.
> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic
> antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."*
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-
> hit-snags-1471193165
>
> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=
> QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-
> stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>
> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-
> as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
>> contributor."
>> ï¿½
>> All the facts really say is that it'sï¿½not as easy as they thought.ï¿½ I
>> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
>> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>> ï¿½
>> Which part is BS?
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>> ï¿½
>>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Also, it just doesnï¿½t take a lot of employees to run fiber once itï¿½s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is done and now they maintain.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
>> Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> * r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> * http://www.triadwireless.net/
>> *
>>
>> *ï¿½*
>>
>> ï¿½Baseball, it is said, is only a game.ï¿½ True.ï¿½ And the Grand Canyon
>> is only a hole in Arizonaï¿½.ï¿½ -ï¿½ George Frederick Will
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Jason McKemie

That is area dependent though.  Yes, their customer service is atrocious,
but their network is solid enough that you rarely have to speak with anyone
- at least around here.  They would be tough to compete with.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Unless the main competitor is Comcast. Many people will take equal or even
> lower Mbps to get away from them.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/26/2016 9:31 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't believe that for a minute.  I've got a couple areas that we
>> are doing marketing testing in, much smaller sample, and I'm getting a hard
>> lesson in what you have to do to get people to switch.
>>
>> You can be the fastest by a factor of 10, the only option in the area is
>> 4Mbps DSL and that's when it works and definitely not at 7pm at night, and
>> you can be the cheapest and it still takes a massive marketing effort to
>> get 50% to switch.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have
>> heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original
>> free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>>> area(s).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>>> installed correctly.
>>>
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the
>>> job is done and now they maintain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-A
>>> fter-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>>
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>>
>>> 602-426-0542
>>>
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

I predict that "fiber" will soon be added to the list of words people use 
wrongly.  Like WiFi, broadband, satellite.  It will probably become 
synonymous with gigabit.  And since people say WiFi when they mean Internet, 
and satellite when they mean antenna, people will probably say things like 
"I got new WiFi, now I have a fiber satellite".  Oh, and people say modem 
when they mean router, which Google Fiber avoided by giving you a "Network 
Box".



-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

On 8/26/16 08:47, Bill Prince wrote:

Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?

/"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of
laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing
infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses
fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/




Wireless is often a dirty word.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Jason McKemie

I'm trying to stop myself from correcting people when they do this.  I
usually just act confused for a bit and then "oh, you mean *insert correct
term here*".

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I predict that "fiber" will soon be added to the list of words people use
> wrongly.  Like WiFi, broadband, satellite.  It will probably become
> synonymous with gigabit.  And since people say WiFi when they mean
> Internet, and satellite when they mean antenna, people will probably say
> things like "I got new WiFi, now I have a fiber satellite".  Oh, and people
> say modem when they mean router, which Google Fiber avoided by giving you a
> "Network Box".
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> On 8/26/16 08:47, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>>
>> /"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of
>> laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing
>> infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses
>> fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/
>>
>>
>
> Wireless is often a dirty word.
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Jaime Solorza

I want a fiber satellite

On Aug 26, 2016 12:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I predict that "fiber" will soon be added to the list of words people use
> wrongly.  Like WiFi, broadband, satellite.  It will probably become
> synonymous with gigabit.  And since people say WiFi when they mean
> Internet, and satellite when they mean antenna, people will probably say
> things like "I got new WiFi, now I have a fiber satellite".  Oh, and people
> say modem when they mean router, which Google Fiber avoided by giving you a
> "Network Box".
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> On 8/26/16 08:47, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>>
>> /"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of
>> laying cable through using less expensive technology and existing
>> infrastructure. Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses
>> fiber optic antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."/
>>
>>
>
> Wireless is often a dirty word.
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Dan Petermann

They probably mean fiber to the antenna, which is technically wrong also. I 
suppose its easier to say than "fiber to remote radio unit with an antenna 
attached” (FtRRUwaAA).



On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
> 
> "Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying 
> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure. 
> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic antennas 
> to facilitate high-speed internet."
> bp
> 
> 
> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>> 
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165
>> 
>> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>> 
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>> 
>> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
>> contributor."
>>  
>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I think 
>> almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as they 
>> thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>  
>> Which part is BS?
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>  
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
>>> area(s).
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
>>> installed correctly.
>>> 
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
>>> done and now they maintain.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.triadwireless.net/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only 
>>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Gino Villarini

wireless fiber is the new term been used!

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> They probably mean fiber to the antenna, which is technically wrong also.
> I suppose its easier to say than "fiber to remote radio unit with an
> antenna attached” (FtRRUwaAA).
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>
> *"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying
> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure.
> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic
> antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."*
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-
> hit-snags-1471193165
>
> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=
> QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-
> stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>
> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-
> as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
>> contributor."
>>
>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
>> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
>> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>
>> Which part is BS?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
>> Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *http://www.triadwireless.net/ *
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Eric Kuhnke

the sales and marketing team from one of the very earliest 80 GHz, 1 Gbps
bridge products (Gigabeam) tried that...

wifiber

https://www.google.com/search?q=gigabeam+wifiber&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b


Gigabeam long ago went bankrupt and is defunct.



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

> wireless fiber is the new term been used!
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
>
>> They probably mean fiber to the antenna, which is technically wrong also.
>> I suppose its easier to say than "fiber to remote radio unit with an
>> antenna attached” (FtRRUwaAA).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>>
>> *"Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying
>> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure.
>> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic
>> antennas to facilitate high-speed internet."*
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>>
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit
>> -snags-1471193165
>>
>> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google
>> -fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stall
>> s-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>>
>> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-a
>> s-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
>>> contributor."
>>>
>>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
>>> think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
>>> they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>>
>>> Which part is BS?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>>> area(s).
>>>
>>>
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>>> installed correctly.
>>>
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>>> is done and now they maintain.
>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-C
>>> ut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>> *http://www.triadwireless.net/ *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>>> only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Chuck McCown

85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job 
is

done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
only

a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Mathew Howard

He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> WHEN & WHERE
>>
>> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>>
>> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>>
>> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison,
>> TX 75001
>>
>> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>>
>>
>>
>> WHY ATTEND?
>>
>> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
>> future of wireless broadband
>>
>> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as
>> he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>>
>> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>>
>> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick Harnish*
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>
>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>
>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>
>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Ceragon FibeAir is doing okay... :P

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> the sales and marketing team from one of the very earliest 80 GHz, 1 Gbps
> bridge products (Gigabeam) tried that...
>
> wifiber
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=gigabeam+wifiber&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
>
>
> Gigabeam long ago went bankrupt and is defunct.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>>
>> wireless fiber is the new term been used!
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
>>>
>>> They probably mean fiber to the antenna, which is technically wrong also.
>>> I suppose its easier to say than "fiber to remote radio unit with an antenna
>>> attached” (FtRRUwaAA).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
>>>
>>> "Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying
>>> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure.
>>> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic antennas
>>> to facilitate high-speed internet."
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:

 "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary
 contributor."

 All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I
 think almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as
 they thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.

 Which part is BS?


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information


 I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
 area(s).



 That number they report is meaningless.



 I bet their take in Provo is very high.



 Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
 installed correctly.

 The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
 is done and now they maintain.



 I call BS on this article.




 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information




 https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



 Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

 602-426-0542

 r...@triadwireless.net

 http://www.triadwireless.net/



 “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
 only a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

You need to be Google for that.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is
>> done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
>> Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>
>> 602-426-0542
>>
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only
>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

2016-08-26 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

So just for the sake of a technical discussion... 

In your opinion, what is the merit of such a config (osfp + ibgp) ? 

It can be argued that such a config, 
a) Still depends on OSPF functioning. 
b) Layer an additional dynamic protocol on top of it (ibgp) 
c) Requires additional Routers (route reflectors). 

If the merit of such an approach is to manage manage OSFP behavior in a more 
granular fashion, Why not use the those features as they are available in OSPF 
/ Best Practices... 
(OSFP best practices, suggest that, don't advertise connected or static routes, 
setup all interfaces as passive, and control prefix advertisements via the 
network section of OSPF). 

OSPF also tends to be the most common denominator (protocol) across different 
mfg. Bgp being the 2nd. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jesse DuPont" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:03:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

> Right, PTP and loopback prefixes are distributed with OSPF (and possibly
> management subnets for radios) and "access" network prefixes (customer-facing)
> are distributed via iBGP.
> I have two of my routers configured as BGP route reflectors and all other
> routers peer with only these two; this solves the full mesh and provides
> redundancy.

> Jesse DuPont

> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC

> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com / celeritynetworksllc

> Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband
> On 8/25/16 8:40 PM, David Milholen wrote:

>> He may have meant only have the ptp and loopback addresses listed in networks

>> On 8/25/2016 9:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>>> I've heard this concept a few times now. I'm not sure how only using OSPF 
>>> for
>>> the loopbacks works.

>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>> The Brothers WISP

>>> From: "Bruce Robertson" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:28:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

>>> I've said it before, and been argued with... this is one of many reasons 
>>> why you
>>> use iBGP to distribute {customer, dynamic pool, server subnets, anything}
>>> routes, and use OSPF *only* to distribute router loopback addresses.ï¿½ All
>>> your weird OSPF problems will go away.ï¿½ My apologies if I'm 
>>> misunderstanding
>>> the problem, but my point still stands.

>>> On 08/25/2016 10:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote:

 Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network since I 
 started to
 renumber some PPPoE pools.

 Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from x.x.x.192/27 
 pool).
 Customer canï¿½t surf and I canï¿½t ping them from my office:

 ï¿½

 [office] ï¿½ [Bernie Router] ï¿½ [Braggcity Router] ï¿½ [Ross Router] ï¿½ 
 [Hayti
 Router] ï¿½ [customer]

 ï¿½

 A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I am not getting 
 any
 type of ICMP response from the Bernie router ie no ICMP Host 
 Unreachable/Dest
 unreachable etc ï¿½ just blackholes after my office router.

 A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at the Bernie 
 router
 with no type of response.

 ï¿½

 Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a valid route 
 pointing to
 the Braggcity router. It is also in the OSPF LSAï¿½s.

 --

 Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all.

 ï¿½

 --

 Force the original customer to a new ip address of x.x.x.205/32 and the 
 service
 starts working again.

 ï¿½

 --

 ï¿½

 Now ï¿½ even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32 in the routing 
 table
 ï¿½ traffic destined to the x.x.x.208/32 IP is still getting blackholed.. I
 should be getting a Destination host unreachable from the Bernie router.

 ï¿½

 This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used and there is no
 route to it:

 C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206

 ï¿½

 Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data:

 Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

 Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

 ï¿½

 Ping statistics for x.x.x.206:

 ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

 ï¿½

 C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206

 ï¿½

 Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206]

 over a maximum of 30 hops:

 ï¿½

 ï¿½ 1ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 7 msï¿½ z.z.z.z

 ï¿½ 2ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 6 msï¿½ 
 y.bpsnetworks.com
 [y.y.y.1]

 ï¿½ 3ï¿½ y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1] ï¿½reports: Destination host 
 unreachable.

 ï¿½

 Trace complete.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Many small FTTH operators are seeing it. Chuck Hogg has also reported
several areas in his market where he sees that. I believe he reported
100% for a few as well, many months back.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> You need to be Google for that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>>> area(s).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>>> installed correctly.
>>>
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>>> is
>>> done and now they maintain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>>
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>>
>>> 602-426-0542
>>>
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>>> only
>>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Rick Harnish

I imagine if we got Ronda Rousey to the Roadshow it would be an excellent draw. 
 

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

  Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:13 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas 
September 20th

 

He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P

 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> > wrote:

 

Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!

 

   

 

 

 Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX

 

WHEN & WHERE

*  Tuesday, September 20, 2016

*  9:30 am to 1:30 pm

*  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX 75001

*  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided. 

 

WHY ATTEND?

*  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the future 
of wireless broadband

*  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as he 
speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates 

*  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer

*  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443  

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com  

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news  

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

She's too busy "having babies" with Travis Brown and will probably
never fight again after her previous beating.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> I imagine if we got Ronda Rousey to the Roadshow it would be an excellent
> draw.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:13 PM
> To: af 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas
> September 20th
>
>
>
> He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
>
> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
>
>
>
> WHEN & WHERE
>
> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>
> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>
> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX
> 75001
>
> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>
>
>
> WHY ATTEND?
>
> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
> future of wireless broadband
>
> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as he
> speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>
> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>
> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas September 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

Have we heard a single thing about his previous employer since he left?  Are 
they still trucking along as before just without someone to shout about it 
here, or did they fall off the edge of the earth?

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas 
September 20th

He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!

Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX

WHEN & WHERE

·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016

·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm

·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX 
75001

·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided. 

WHY ATTEND?

·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the 
future of wireless broadband

·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as he 
speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates 

·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer

·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Chuck McCown

No,   you don’t

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

You need to be Google for that.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

  I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
  have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
  original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is
done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only
a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

2016-08-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick

You are invited to our ePMP 2000 roadshow next Tuesday!  It runs from 9AM to
around 2PM and includes lunch.  One of my customer that attended the first
show near DC said that before attending he wasn't interested in ePMP and is
now serious about moving in that direction!   

This one near St. Louis and there are ones in September in Fort Lauderdale
and in Austin, TX.

You can sign up here:
http://events.converge-tech.com/

It's at:

Embassy Suites St. Louis Airport
11237 Long Eagle Drive
Bridgeton MO 63044

It's a great opportunity to get hands on the gear and to get your questions
answered!
I'd really appreciate your support.  We are partnering with Cambium to do
these events and if they are to continue long term, we need attendees.
Anyone on your team can attend!


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in DallasSeptember 20th

2016-08-26 Thread Chuck McCown

I might even come if she will be there...

From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in DallasSeptember 
20th

I imagine if we got Ronda Rousey to the Roadshow it would be an excellent draw. 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:13 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas 
September 20th

He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Will Patrick be beating anyone up?

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!

Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX

WHEN & WHERE

·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016

·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm

·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX 
75001

·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided. 

WHY ATTEND?

·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the 
future of wireless broadband

·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as he 
speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates 

·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer

·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

I always said if Google Fiber wanted to prove something, they should wire 
Detroit.  Looks like someone else did it:


https://rocketfiber.com/

Oh, and they're claiming 10 gig?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%2310GintheD


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).



That number they report is meaningless.



I bet their take in Provo is very high.



Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job 
is

done and now they maintain.



I call BS on this article.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information



https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
only

a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

I dunno about that hashtag... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:24:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

I always said if Google Fiber wanted to prove something, they should wire 
Detroit. Looks like someone else did it: 

https://rocketfiber.com/ 

Oh, and they're claiming 10 gig? 

https://twitter.com/search?q=%2310GintheD 


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

85% is certainly realistic from my experience. 

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I 
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the 
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas. 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote: 
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
> area(s). 
> 
> 
> 
> That number they report is meaningless. 
> 
> 
> 
> I bet their take in Provo is very high. 
> 
> 
> 
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
> installed correctly. 
> 
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job 
> is 
> done and now they maintain. 
> 
> 
> 
> I call BS on this article. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
> 
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
> 
> 602-426-0542 
> 
> r...@triadwireless.net 
> 
> www.triadwireless.net 
> 
> 
> 
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is 
> only 
> a hole in Arizona”. - George Frederick Will 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

2016-08-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Gah!  I'm sorry it got all chopped up!  It looked fine on my puter!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:
> 
> You are invited to our ePMP 2000 roadshow next Tuesday!  It runs from 9AM to
> around 2PM and includes lunch.  One of my customer that attended the first
> show near DC said that before attending he wasn't interested in ePMP and is
> now serious about moving in that direction!   
> 
> This one near St. Louis and there are ones in September in Fort Lauderdale
> and in Austin, TX.
> 
> You can sign up here:
> http://events.converge-tech.com/
> 
> It's at:
> 
> Embassy Suites St. Louis Airport
> 11237 Long Eagle Drive
> Bridgeton MO 63044
> 
> It's a great opportunity to get hands on the gear and to get your questions
> answered!
> I'd really appreciate your support.  We are partnering with Cambium to do
> these events and if they are to continue long term, we need attendees.
> Anyone on your team can attend!
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Yeah, they announced this awhile back. It's the Quicken Loans guys.

http://www.quickenloanscareers.com/family-of-companies/rocket-fiber/

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I always said if Google Fiber wanted to prove something, they should wire
> Detroit.  Looks like someone else did it:
>
> https://rocketfiber.com/
>
> Oh, and they're claiming 10 gig?
>
> https://twitter.com/search?q=%2310GintheD
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:13 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>> area(s).
>>
>>
>>
>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>> installed correctly.
>>
>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>> is
>> done and now they maintain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I call BS on this article.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>
>> 602-426-0542
>>
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>> only
>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT I want one

2016-08-26 Thread Chuck McCown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0CiJjTGJE

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Fine to me?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Gah!  I'm sorry it got all chopped up!  It looked fine on my puter!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:
>
> You are invited to our ePMP 2000 roadshow next Tuesday!  It runs from 9AM
> to
> around 2PM and includes lunch.  One of my customer that attended the first
> show near DC said that before attending he wasn't interested in ePMP and is
> now serious about moving in that direction!
>
> This one near St. Louis and there are ones in September in Fort Lauderdale
> and in Austin, TX.
>
> You can sign up here:
> http://events.converge-tech.com/
>
> It's at:
>
> Embassy Suites St. Louis Airport
> 11237 Long Eagle Drive
> Bridgeton MO 63044
>
> It's a great opportunity to get hands on the gear and to get your questions
> answered!
> I'd really appreciate your support.  We are partnering with Cambium to do
> these events and if they are to continue long term, we need attendees.
> Anyone on your team can attend!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

2016-08-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick

It was all chopped up on my phone…looks ok on my computer…go figure.

 

 

Regards,

 

Jeff

 

 

Jeff Broadwick

Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

 

Fine to me?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
wrote:

Gah!  I'm sorry it got all chopped up!  It looked fine on my puter!

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:

You are invited to our ePMP 2000 roadshow next Tuesday!  It runs from 9AM to
around 2PM and includes lunch.  One of my customer that attended the first
show near DC said that before attending he wasn't interested in ePMP and is
now serious about moving in that direction!   

This one near St. Louis and there are ones in September in Fort Lauderdale
and in Austin, TX.

You can sign up here:
http://events.converge-tech.com/

It's at:

Embassy Suites St. Louis Airport
11237 Long Eagle Drive
Bridgeton MO 63044

It's a great opportunity to get hands on the gear and to get your questions
answered!
I'd really appreciate your support.  We are partnering with Cambium to do
these events and if they are to continue long term, we need attendees.
Anyone on your team can attend!


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] OT I want one

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

That's super cool.  I wonder how fast you can move before it retracts.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0CiJjTGJE
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Oh I guess it is messed up on my phone, lots of extra breaks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:

> It was all chopped up on my phone…looks ok on my computer…go figure.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 3:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 Roadshow in STL Next Tuesday!
>
>
>
> Fine to me?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Gah!  I'm sorry it got all chopped up!  It looked fine on my puter!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:
>
> You are invited to our ePMP 2000 roadshow next Tuesday!  It runs from 9AM
> to
> around 2PM and includes lunch.  One of my customer that attended the first
> show near DC said that before attending he wasn't interested in ePMP and is
> now serious about moving in that direction!
>
> This one near St. Louis and there are ones in September in Fort Lauderdale
> and in Austin, TX.
>
> You can sign up here:
> http://events.converge-tech.com/
>
> It's at:
>
> Embassy Suites St. Louis Airport
> 11237 Long Eagle Drive
> Bridgeton MO 63044
>
> It's a great opportunity to get hands on the gear and to get your questions
> answered!
> I'd really appreciate your support.  We are partnering with Cambium to do
> these events and if they are to continue long term, we need attendees.
> Anyone on your team can attend!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)

The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider, 
because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

You need to be Google for that.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

  I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
  have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
  original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).

That number they report is meaningless.

I bet their take in Provo is very high.

Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is
done and now they maintain.

I call BS on this article.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only
a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Where do you live?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)
>
> The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider,
> because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> You need to be Google for that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>>> area(s).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>>> installed correctly.
>>>
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>>> is
>>> done and now they maintain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>>
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>>
>>> 602-426-0542
>>>
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>>> only
>>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 8/26/16 11:58, Gino Villarini wrote:

wireless fiber is the new term been used!



Google approved fiber optic antenna

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2016-08-26 Thread Yent, Timothy M

I still have the following items for sale.

1  Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   Make offer
1  Allot NetEnforcer Bypass  Make offer

Tim
Mercury Network

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett

I let Ken have all the dumb ones. I take the smart ones. He has more customers 
than me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 

Where do you live? 

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote: 
> Half my customers can’t even spell Google. (No, don’t go to goggle.com) 
> 
> The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider, 
> because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet. 
> 
> 
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 
> 
> You need to be Google for that. 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote: 
>> 
>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience. 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds 
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 
>> 
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I 
>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the 
>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas. 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
>>> area(s). 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That number they report is meaningless. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
>>> installed correctly. 
>>> 
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job 
>>> is 
>>> done and now they maintain. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I call BS on this article. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM 
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542 
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net 
>>> 
>>> www.triadwireless.net 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is 
>>> only 
>>> a hole in Arizona”. - George Frederick Will 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

LOL

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I let Ken have all the dumb ones. I take the smart ones. He has more customers 
than me.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

Where do you live?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)
>
> The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider,
> because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> You need to be Google for that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
>>> area(s).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
>>> installed correctly.
>>>
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
>>> is
>>> done and now they maintain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>>
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>>
>>> 602-426-0542
>>>
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
>>> only
>>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Hohhof


Not where I live, but where my WISP is.

Which is somewhere people live if (a) they can't afford anywhere else, or 
(b) they were born there and never moved.  In other words, rural America.  A 
place where I have to explain why our antenna doesn't pick up any TV 
channels.  Where people still run Windows ME and Vista, and don't know what 
a web browser is because they only check email and play solitaire.  Where 
there is no shame in having an aol.com email address (and checking it once a 
month).  Where I have a customer who uses her Internet solely to stream a 
Christian TV channel and if it is off the air thinks her Internet is down 
and if we ask her to check and see if she can bring up the Google website, 
has no idea what we are talking about.  Google?  Website?



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

Where do you live?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)

The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider,
because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

You need to be Google for that.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:


I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
area(s).



That number they report is meaningless.



I bet their take in Provo is very high.



Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
is
done and now they maintain.



I call BS on this article.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information




https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
only
a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Eric Kuhnke

So what you're saying is, the ratio of moonshine stills to teeth is about
2:1 ?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not where I live, but where my WISP is.
>
> Which is somewhere people live if (a) they can't afford anywhere else, or
> (b) they were born there and never moved.  In other words, rural America.
> A place where I have to explain why our antenna doesn't pick up any TV
> channels.  Where people still run Windows ME and Vista, and don't know what
> a web browser is because they only check email and play solitaire.  Where
> there is no shame in having an aol.com email address (and checking it
> once a month).  Where I have a customer who uses her Internet solely to
> stream a Christian TV channel and if it is off the air thinks her Internet
> is down and if we ask her to check and see if she can bring up the Google
> website, has no idea what we are talking about.  Google?  Website?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> Where do you live?
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)
>>
>> The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider,
>> because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> You need to be Google for that.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>

 I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
 area(s).



 That number they report is meaningless.



 I bet their take in Provo is very high.



 Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
 installed correctly.

 The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
 is
 done and now they maintain.



 I call BS on this article.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information




 https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-
 Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



 Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

 602-426-0542

 r...@triadwireless.net

 www.triadwireless.net



 “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
 only
 a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will





>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Damn. I was born and raised in Kentucky, and what you just described
sounds backwoods to ME. :|

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Not where I live, but where my WISP is.
>
> Which is somewhere people live if (a) they can't afford anywhere else, or
> (b) they were born there and never moved.  In other words, rural America.  A
> place where I have to explain why our antenna doesn't pick up any TV
> channels.  Where people still run Windows ME and Vista, and don't know what
> a web browser is because they only check email and play solitaire.  Where
> there is no shame in having an aol.com email address (and checking it once a
> month).  Where I have a customer who uses her Internet solely to stream a
> Christian TV channel and if it is off the air thinks her Internet is down
> and if we ask her to check and see if she can bring up the Google website,
> has no idea what we are talking about.  Google?  Website?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
> Where do you live?
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to goggle.com)
>>
>> The other half think they already have Google for their Internet provider,
>> because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>
>> You need to be Google for that.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 85% is certainly realistic from my experience.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>>
>>> I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I
>>> have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the
>>> original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in these areas.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:


 I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given
 area(s).



 That number they report is meaningless.



 I bet their take in Provo is very high.



 Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s
 installed correctly.

 The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job
 is
 done and now they maintain.



 I call BS on this article.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information





 https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750



 Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

 602-426-0542

 r...@triadwireless.net

 www.triadwireless.net



 “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is
 only
 a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will




>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I want one

2016-08-26 Thread Cameron Crum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnFdYt4yZw


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's super cool.  I wonder how fast you can move before it retracts.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0CiJjTGJE
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Jon Bruce


Paddle faster, I hear banjos ...

On 8/26/2016 3:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So what you're saying is, the ratio of moonshine stills to teeth is 
about 2:1 ?


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Not where I live, but where my WISP is.

Which is somewhere people live if (a) they can't afford anywhere
else, or (b) they were born there and never moved. In other words,
rural America.  A place where I have to explain why our antenna
doesn't pick up any TV channels. Where people still run Windows ME
and Vista, and don't know what a web browser is because they only
check email and play solitaire.  Where there is no shame in having
an aol.com  email address (and checking it once a
month).  Where I have a customer who uses her Internet solely to
stream a Christian TV channel and if it is off the air thinks her
Internet is down and if we ask her to check and see if she can
bring up the Google website, has no idea what we are talking
about.  Google? Website?


-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:38 PM

To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

Where do you live?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Half my customers can’t even spell Google.  (No, don’t go to
goggle.com )

The other half think they already have Google for their
Internet provider,
because that’s what the screen says after they click on Internet.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

You need to be Google for that.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for
Kansas City. I
have heard they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and
that the
original free/low-cost tier is a very small percentage in
these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
wrote:


I would like to know what their take rate is in
percentage for a given
area(s).



That number they report is meaningless.



I bet their take in Provo is very high.



Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run
fiber once it’s
installed correctly.

The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything
other than the job
is
done and now they maintain.



I call BS on this article.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information





https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750





Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net 

www.triadwireless.net 



“Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the
Grand Canyon is
only
a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will

Re: [AFMUG] OET announces methodology for determining protected contours for grandfathered 3.650-3700 MHz Band Licenses

2016-08-26 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 8/26/16 12:57, Rick Harnish wrote:

The Public Notice is attached.  I havenï¿½t read it yet.




Basically people that didn't register their CPEs will be in for a shock.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in DallasSeptember 20th

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I second that

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I might even come if she will be there...
>
> *From:* Rick Harnish 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 1:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in
> DallasSeptember 20th
>
>
> I imagine if we got Ronda Rousey to the Roadshow it would be an excellent
> draw.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Join Us! Baicells Technologies Roadshow in Dallas
> September 20th
>
>
>
> He didn't beat anyone up at the last one... I was kind of disappointed :P
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Will Patrick be beating anyone up?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Our Dallas road show is approximately 25 days away - register today!
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>
> Baicells Road Show - Dallas, TX
> 
>
>
>
> WHEN & WHERE
>
> ·  Tuesday, September 20, 2016
>
> ·  9:30 am to 1:30 pm
>
> ·  Addison Conference & Theatre Center: 15650 Addison Rd, Addison, TX
> 75001
>
> ·  Coffee, light breakfast refreshments, and full lunch provided.
>
>
>
> WHY ATTEND?
>
> ·  Learn about Baicells products from our executives and discuss the
> future of wireless broadband
>
> ·  Engage with our guest speaker, Steve Coran from Lerman Senter, as
> he speaks about the CBRS 3.55-3.7 GHz band updates
>
> ·  Hear firsthand how our Wave 2 trials went this summer
>
> ·  Provide operator insight into future product enhancements
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OET announces methodology for determining protected contours for grandfathered 3.650-3700 MHz Band Licenses

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

good, they should be


The good thing about this in the long run is the douchebags who didnt
spring the 200 bucks for the license or bother with doing the nonsensical
time wasting registrations like professionals had to will get shut down
overnight hopefully bankrupting them

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/26/16 12:57, Rick Harnish wrote:
>
>> The Public Notice is attached.  I havenï¿½t read it yet.
>>
>>
>
> Basically people that didn't register their CPEs will be in for a shock.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OET announces methodology for determining protected contours for grandfathered 3.650-3700 MHz Band Licenses

2016-08-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

BTW, I apologize for sullying up any of you professionals image by lumping
myself in with you, it doesnt happen often

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> good, they should be
>
>
> The good thing about this in the long run is the douchebags who didnt
> spring the 200 bucks for the license or bother with doing the nonsensical
> time wasting registrations like professionals had to will get shut down
> overnight hopefully bankrupting them
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/16 12:57, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>
>>> The Public Notice is attached.  I havenï¿½t read it yet.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Basically people that didn't register their CPEs will be in for a shock.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

2016-08-26 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Nice.

Except I don't see any speed test to prove 10Gbps on that link.

I also have 10Gbps on my network for some customers, and can show it:

https://www.facebook.com/avative/photos/a.1641368059430239.1073741830.1531269983773381/1737376996496011/?type=3&theater

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I always said if Google Fiber wanted to prove something, they should wire 
Detroit.  Looks like someone else did it:

https://rocketfiber.com/

Oh, and they're claiming 10 gig?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%2310GintheD


-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

85% is certainly realistic from my experience.

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I personally know one of their original engineers for Kansas City. I have heard 
they have many areas with 85%+ take rate, and that the original free/low-cost 
tier is a very small percentage in these areas.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:
> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
> area(s).
>
>
>
> That number they report is meaningless.
>
>
>
> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>
>
>
> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
> installed correctly.
>
> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the 
> job is done and now they maintain.
>
>
>
> I call BS on this article.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>
>
>
> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>
> 602-426-0542
>
> r...@triadwireless.net
>
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is 
> only
> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>
>
>
>

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