Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Trey Scarborough]

This is a yes and no. It sounds easy, but the truth is you would have to 
bury it under the bottom.  I have done river crossings before and 
Permitting is a nightmare, and then construction if usually difficult as 
well. It normally would require boring underneath it many feet depending 
on the size it could be 20'. I have seen this done in LA before and it 
is impressive they custom built a boat that will cut a trench place the 
cable in.


On 4/27/2017 4:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Dropping armored fiber cable in a lake isn't hard.

But obtaining permits and permission from the Lake Commission, and Utah Army 
Core of Engineers and other regulating bodies (cities) might be the real 
challenge.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake is 
only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have the 
means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious how 
someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how would it 
be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's 
thoughts on it.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Jaime Solorza]

Already had three Modelos...Time to go inside and see what wife made for
supper

On Apr 27, 2017 6:48 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Just one ISP
>
> On 4/27/17 5:37 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Come on, just one drink, you can quit again after just one drink...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!
>>
>> Dan, I recommend lurking on the list!  I haven't worked full time in
>> this business for several years, and I don't think I even have any
>> consulting hours this year so far, but I love lurking.  I enjoy keeping
>> up with techniques and hardware developments.  (My folder of emails to
>> keep for "future reference" has 254 emails in it.)
>>
>> My only problem is that I occasionally get so inspired by what some of
>> the list members are doing that I want to start a new ISP. Fortunately,
>> so far, I've come to my senses in time.  Largely helped by some of my
>> friends and cofounders mumbling something about baseball bats...
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/17 4:11 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>>
>>> The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, sad
>>> but excited for new opportunities.
>>>
>>> I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days,
>>> hence the title.
>>>
>>> I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir
>>> are in a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible.
>>> I�d love to buy you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!
>>>
>>> I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously
>>> gave advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with
>>> Wyoming.com and Cerento.
>>>
>>> Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored
>>> and return to lurk.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Dan Petermann
>>> Sr. RF Engineer
>>> Cerento & Wyoming.com
>>> (until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,59028ede127381971613423!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Cacti templates.

[Steve Utick]

I've got some PMP450 files that I've used in the past that should work
fine.  Some of it is stuff I put together, some is stuff I found.
Available at:  http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-450.zip

Adds everything into cacti, complete with a PMP450 host template that
includes everything in it.


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I did a search of my emails from the list and came up empty. Does anyone
> have some basic Cacti templates for 450i and epmp that I could use. We just
> setup our first Cacti server are starting to setup monitoring.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cambium Cacti templates.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I did a search of my emails from the list and came up empty. Does anyone
have some basic Cacti templates for 450i and epmp that I could use. We just
setup our first Cacti server are starting to setup monitoring. 

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Bruce Robertson]

Just one ISP

On 4/27/17 5:37 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Come on, just one drink, you can quit again after just one drink...

-Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

Dan, I recommend lurking on the list!  I haven't worked full time in
this business for several years, and I don't think I even have any
consulting hours this year so far, but I love lurking.  I enjoy keeping
up with techniques and hardware developments.  (My folder of emails to
keep for "future reference" has 254 emails in it.)

My only problem is that I occasionally get so inspired by what some of
the list members are doing that I want to start a new ISP. Fortunately,
so far, I've come to my senses in time.  Largely helped by some of my
friends and cofounders mumbling something about baseball bats...


On 4/27/17 4:11 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, 
sad but excited for new opportunities.


I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, 
hence the title.


I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You 
sir are in a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way 
possible. I�d love to buy you all the adult beverage of your 
choice, so Salud!


I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so 
generously gave advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day 
associated with Wyoming.com and Cerento.


Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get 
bored and return to lurk.


Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE)










!DSPAM:2,59028ede127381971613423!

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Jaime Solorza]

Good one

On Apr 27, 2017 3:23 PM, "Rob Genovesi"  wrote:

> More sense and more cents.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> When you have more time and money?  :-p
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:39:25 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>>
>> My favorite version:
>>
>> There is always enough time and money to do it right the second time.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:31 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>>
>> I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why
>> didn't you have the time in the first place?"
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> >> Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
>> >> count.
>> >
>> >
>> > Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a
>> > decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that
>> > will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even
>> > dollar count.
>> >
>> > ~Seth
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Chuck McCown]

Come on, just one drink, you can quit again after just one drink...

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

Dan, I recommend lurking on the list!  I haven't worked full time in
this business for several years, and I don't think I even have any
consulting hours this year so far, but I love lurking.  I enjoy keeping
up with techniques and hardware developments.  (My folder of emails to
keep for "future reference" has 254 emails in it.)

My only problem is that I occasionally get so inspired by what some of
the list members are doing that I want to start a new ISP. Fortunately,
so far, I've come to my senses in time.  Largely helped by some of my
friends and cofounders mumbling something about baseball bats...


On 4/27/17 4:11 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, sad 
but excited for new opportunities.


I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence 
the title.


I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir 
are in a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. 
I�d love to buy you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!


I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously 
gave advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with 
Wyoming.com and Cerento.


Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored 
and return to lurk.


Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE)


!DSPAM:2,59027abd101871983614318!

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Jaime Solorza]

I remember reading about divers running fiber in Mississippi River
encountering giant catfish8 ft. deep lake probably have some decent
carp but no Giants..

On Apr 27, 2017 4:01 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or just
> that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring under a
> river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge instead, but
> he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a big deal.
>
> .that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber
>
> Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to bury
>> it 4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.
>>
>> You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber
>>
>> I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The
>> lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really
>> have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me
>> curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be
>> required, how would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just
>> wanted to get people's thoughts on it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Jaime Solorza]

Best of luck and God BlessI am drinking a Modelo in your honor right
now We will leave the light on for ya amigo...

On Apr 27, 2017 6:20 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Dan,

Every now and then, reading an emails such as yours, below gives some of us
Hope...
That one day, we may be able to escape The Coop too !..

Congratulations, run as fast as you can, and don't look back, just in-case
the stickiness of this business draws you back into the abyss.

Best of luck in your next life venture !

:) :) :)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Dan Petermann" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:11:52 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

> The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I’m leaving home, sad but
> excited for new opportunities.
>
> I’ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence
the
> title.
>
> I can’t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir
are in a
> class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I’d love to
buy
> you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!
>
> I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously
gave
> advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com
and
> Cerento.
>
> Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored
and
> return to lurk.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dan Petermann
> Sr. RF Engineer
> Cerento & Wyoming.com
> (until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I’m FREE)

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Chris Fabien]

If you zoom in, it looks like the flange only has lags in 2 of the holes.
Why waste 2 lags, come on man, those are like at least a dime a piece!

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> More sense and more cents.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> When you have more time and money?  :-p
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:39:25 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>>
>> My favorite version:
>>
>> There is always enough time and money to do it right the second time.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:31 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>>
>> I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why
>> didn't you have the time in the first place?"
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> >> Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
>> >> count.
>> >
>> >
>> > Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a
>> > decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that
>> > will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even
>> > dollar count.
>> >
>> > ~Seth
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Dan, 

Every now and then, reading an emails such as yours, below gives some of us 
Hope... 
That one day, we may be able to escape The Coop too !..

Congratulations, run as fast as you can, and don't look back, just in-case the 
stickiness of this business draws you back into the abyss.

Best of luck in your next life venture !

:) :) :) 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Dan Petermann" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:11:52 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

> The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I’m leaving home, sad but
> excited for new opportunities.
> 
> I’ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence the
> title.
> 
> I can’t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir are in 
> a
> class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I’d love to buy
> you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!
> 
> I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously gave
> advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com and
> Cerento.
> 
> Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored and
> return to lurk.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Dan Petermann
> Sr. RF Engineer
> Cerento & Wyoming.com
> (until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I’m FREE)

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Steve Jones]

one does not simply walk away from afmug. blood in blood out esse'
smooth sailing

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Wow, good luck, God Speed and you will be missed.  I think you are an
> AnimalFarm Charter Member if I recall correctly.
>
> -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!
>
> The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, sad
> but excited for new opportunities.
>
> I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence
> the title.
>
> I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir
> are in a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible.
> I�d love to buy you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!
>
> I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously
> gave advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with
> Wyoming.com and Cerento.
>
> Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored
> and return to lurk.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dan Petermann
> Sr. RF Engineer
> Cerento & Wyoming.com
> (until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE)
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Bruce Robertson]

Dan, I recommend lurking on the list!  I haven't worked full time in 
this business for several years, and I don't think I even have any 
consulting hours this year so far, but I love lurking.  I enjoy keeping 
up with techniques and hardware developments.  (My folder of emails to 
keep for "future reference" has 254 emails in it.)


My only problem is that I occasionally get so inspired by what some of 
the list members are doing that I want to start a new ISP. Fortunately, 
so far, I've come to my senses in time.  Largely helped by some of my 
friends and cofounders mumbling something about baseball bats...



On 4/27/17 4:11 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, sad but 
excited for new opportunities.

I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence the 
title.

I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir are in 
a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I�d love to 
buy you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!

I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously gave 
advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com and 
Cerento.

Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored and 
return to lurk.

Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE)


!DSPAM:2,59027abd101871983614318!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Chuck McCown]

Wow, good luck, God Speed and you will be missed.  I think you are an 
AnimalFarm Charter Member if I recall correctly.


-Original Message- 
From: Dan Petermann

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I�m leaving home, sad but 
excited for new opportunities.


I�ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence the 
title.


I can�t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir are 
in a class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I�d love 
to buy you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!


I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously gave 
advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com and 
Cerento.


Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored and 
return to lurk.


Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I�m FREE) 

[AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Dan Petermann]

The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I’m leaving home, sad but 
excited for new opportunities.

I’ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence the 
title. 

I can’t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir are in a 
class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I’d love to buy 
you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!

I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously gave 
advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com and 
Cerento.

Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored and 
return to lurk.

Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I’m FREE)

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Adam Moffett]

You mean my associate talking about going under a river?  That's inside 
of a city.and not petroleum.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/27/2017 6:10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber


lmao, hes on crack
ask the Dakota Access folks about going under a body of water

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

All Navigable waters of the US.

Big deal about repealing a former administrations work that made this 
rule apply to seasonal streams too.

Which extended it to animal watering ponds in the midwest etc etc.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or
just that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring 
under

a river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge
instead, but he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a 
big

deal.

.that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to 
bury it 4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.


You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The 
lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't 
really have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it 
made me curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable 
would be required, how would it be permitted, is this a common 
practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's thoughts on it.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Chuck McCown]

It is done all the time, but if an indian tribe is involved there are 
complications.

I don’t think Utah Lake would be an issue.  I had a permit for the Great Salt 
Lake at onetime but we didn’t build it.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

lmao, hes on crack
ask the Dakota Access folks about going under a body of water

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  All Navigable waters of the US.

  Big deal about repealing a former administrations work that made this rule 
apply to seasonal streams too.
  Which extended it to animal watering ponds in the midwest etc etc.

  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:01 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

  Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or
  just that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring under
  a river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge
  instead, but he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a big
  deal.

  .that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber


Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to bury it 
4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.

You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake 
is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have the 
means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious how 
someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how would it 
be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's 
thoughts on it.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Steve Jones]

lmao, hes on crack
ask the Dakota Access folks about going under a body of water

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> All Navigable waters of the US.
>
> Big deal about repealing a former administrations work that made this rule
> apply to seasonal streams too.
> Which extended it to animal watering ponds in the midwest etc etc.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber
>
> Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or
> just that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring under
> a river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge
> instead, but he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a big
> deal.
>
> .that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber
>
> Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to bury
>> it 4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.
>>
>> You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber
>>
>> I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The
>> lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really
>> have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me
>> curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be
>> required, how would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just
>> wanted to get people's thoughts on it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Chuck McCown]

All Navigable waters of the US.

Big deal about repealing a former administrations work that made this rule 
apply to seasonal streams too.

Which extended it to animal watering ponds in the midwest etc etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or
just that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring under
a river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge
instead, but he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a big
deal.

.that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to bury it 
4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.


You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake 
is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have 
the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious 
how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how 
would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get 
people's thoughts on it.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Adam Moffett]

Zip tie sinkers on it every 3 feet.


-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/27/2017 5:28:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

This should make it across.  I dare you to just try it and let us know 
if it works and how long it lasts :)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corning-R-Single-Mode-Optical-Fiber-ITU-T-G-652-D-26567-Meters-/122465952161?hash=item1c838a21a1:g:Lk8AAOSwkShY-nhw

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Carl Peterson 
 wrote:
You could just run a bunch of bare 250um with some slightly modified 
sinkers on it.  Space out the runs so too many lines didn't get hit at 
one time.  Hook all the lines to trill switches at each end and then 
add a few new lines after too many of them went down.  The hard part 
would be the landing points...  When people pulled it up with a lure 
ore something, they would just think it was old fishing line.


Yes, I am joking, but given some land on either side of the lake, I'd 
do it for giggles just to see if it worked and how long it lasted.


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The 
lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't 
really have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it 
made me curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable 
would be required, how would it be permitted, is this a common 
practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's thoughts on it.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield




--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 





--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Adam Moffett]

Does Army Corp of Engineers have jurisdiction on any body of water or 
just that one?  I was recently talking to someone about HD Boring under 
a river.  He ended going through an existing conduit on a bridge 
instead, but he seemed to think going under the river wouldn't be a big 
deal.


.that was obviously not 12 miles wide.  More like 1200'.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/27/2017 5:22:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to 
bury it 4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.


You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The 
lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't 
really have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it 
made me curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would 
be required, how would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? 
I just wanted to get people's thoughts on it.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Carl Peterson]

This should make it across.  I dare you to just try it and let us know if
it works and how long it lasts :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corning-R-Single-Mode-Optical-Fiber-ITU-T-G-652-D-26567-Meters-/122465952161?hash=item1c838a21a1:g:Lk8AAOSwkShY-nhw

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> You could just run a bunch of bare 250um with some slightly modified
> sinkers on it.  Space out the runs so too many lines didn't get hit at one
> time.  Hook all the lines to trill switches at each end and then add a few
> new lines after too many of them went down.  The hard part would be the
> landing points...  When people pulled it up with a lure ore something, they
> would just think it was old fishing line.
>
> Yes, I am joking, but given some land on either side of the lake, I'd do
> it for giggles just to see if it worked and how long it lasted.
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The
>> lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really
>> have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me
>> curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be
>> required, how would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just
>> wanted to get people's thoughts on it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Rob Genovesi]

More sense and more cents.


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> When you have more time and money?  :-p
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:39:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>
> My favorite version:
>
> There is always enough time and money to do it right the second time.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>
> I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why
> didn't you have the time in the first place?"
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
> >> count.
> >
> >
> > Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a
> > decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that
> > will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even
> > dollar count.
> >
> > ~Seth
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Chuck McCown]

Army corp of engineers has jurisdiction.  You will probably have to bury it 
4 feet deep.  They use jet plows for these underwater jobs.


You need armored cable.  Normal FO cable will float.

-Original Message- 
From: Brett A Mansfield

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake 
is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have 
the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious 
how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how 
would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get 
people's thoughts on it.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Carl Peterson]

You could just run a bunch of bare 250um with some slightly modified
sinkers on it.  Space out the runs so too many lines didn't get hit at one
time.  Hook all the lines to trill switches at each end and then add a few
new lines after too many of them went down.  The hard part would be the
landing points...  When people pulled it up with a lure ore something, they
would just think it was old fishing line.

Yes, I am joking, but given some land on either side of the lake, I'd do it
for giggles just to see if it worked and how long it lasted.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake
> is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have
> the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious
> how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how
> would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get
> people's thoughts on it.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield




-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Sterling Jacobson]

Dropping armored fiber cable in a lake isn't hard.

But obtaining permits and permission from the Lake Commission, and Utah Army 
Core of Engineers and other regulating bodies (cities) might be the real 
challenge.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Underwater fiber

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake is 
only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have the 
means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious how 
someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how would it 
be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's 
thoughts on it.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

[AFMUG] Underwater fiber

[Brett A Mansfield]

I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake is 
only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah).  I don't really have the 
means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious how 
someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how would it 
be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's 
thoughts on it.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Chuck McCown]

Here is my prediction:
Jimmy is going to trial because he knows he can make Chuck flip out at all 
the electronics in the courtroom.

I think Chuck will fold when presented with this possibility.

Sorry, don't know of any WISPs in ABQ.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

On 4/27/17 09:51, Bill Prince wrote:

Better call him...




I hear he skipped town for some reason. 

Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/27/17 09:51, Bill Prince wrote:

Better call him...




I hear he skipped town for some reason.

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Mike Hammett]

When you have more time and money? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:39:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town 

My favorite version: 

There is always enough time and money to do it right the second time. 

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town 

I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why 
didn't you have the time in the first place?" 


bp 
 

On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 
> On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote: 
>> Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar 
>> count. 
> 
> 
> Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a 
> decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that 
> will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even 
> dollar count. 
> 
> ~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Mike Hammett]

John Brown 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Harold Bledsoe"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:44:30 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Albuquerque 

Who is operating here? Can you hit me off list? 


Thanks, 
Hal 
-- 


Harold Bledsoe 

Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Bill Prince]

Better call him...


bp


On 4/27/2017 9:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Saul Goodman
*From:* Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:44 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Albuquerque
Who is operating here? Can you hit me off list?
Thanks,
Hal
--

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Chuck McCown]

Saul Goodman

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:44 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Albuquerque

Who is operating here? Can you hit me off list? 

Thanks,
Hal
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

[AFMUG] Albuquerque

[Harold Bledsoe]

Who is operating here? Can you hit me off list?

Thanks,
Hal
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Chuck McCown]

My favorite version:

There is always enough time and money to do it right the second time.  

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town 

I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why 
didn't you have the time in the first place?"



bp


On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:

Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
count.



Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a 
decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that 
will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even 
dollar count.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Bill Prince]

I'm reminded of the old saw: "If you have the time to do it over, why 
didn't you have the time in the first place?"



bp


On 4/27/2017 9:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:

Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
count.



Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a 
decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that 
will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even 
dollar count.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:

Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
count.



Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a 
decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that 
will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even dollar 
count.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Mark Radabaugh]

My suggestion was going to be that the bucket is upside down.

Always frustrated me that Cambium (well - Canopy anyway) started with the 
upside down cup design that never had a water issue.   Which they have since 
completely forgotten.   

Mark



> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> You looked in the bucket, right?  Need photos.  Sometimes people forget to 
> put the lid back on too... (I would think it but never do it like most of us. 
> )  That bucket is gonna get full of water one way or the other if it does not 
> have a drain hole. 
>  
> From: Sean Heskett <>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:42 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>  
> Seems legit to me...
> 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] policy routing via ospf

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think it’s a route mark?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] policy routing via ospf

ive been beating this horse, I get told its easily doable, but I have yet to 
achieve it

If I have two routers, both handing out default route to ospf network

What specifically would my mikrotik filter look like in router A and Router B 
if I want ospf to have 192.168.0.0/24 to prefer the path 
to router A and 192.168.1.0/24 to prefer the path to 
router B no matter where on the ospf network they reside

Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Jaime Solorza]

New Mexico has strict LV rules...I think you must be at least a journey man
electrician.

On Apr 27, 2017 9:09 AM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
wrote:

Dan,

Someone mentioned on the FISPA list that the new 2017 electrical code is
getting stricter on all LV stuff.  Maybe sky is falling stuff, but I didn't
pay to much attention to it.  FL is still on the 2011 book and will be
adopting the 2014 book 12/17.  I know MA has already adopted the 2017.  Any
WISPs in MA on the list?

http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
http://talkingpointz.com/time-to-get-an-electricians-license/
http://www.electricalcodecoalition.org/state-adoptions.aspx




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http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

*Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html




*-- Thursday, April 27, 2017, 10:26:53 AM, you wrote: *

The best advice I can give you is to know *where* in the book the
information is. Its an open book test and if you are a fast reader, knowing
how the book is put together is the key.



On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:


How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about
getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).

Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick”
path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that
sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal 😊

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification


Dan,

Someone mentioned on the FISPA list that the new 2017 electrical code is getting stricter on all LV stuff.  Maybe sky is falling stuff, but I didn't pay to much attention to it.  FL is still on the 2011 book and will be adopting the 2014 book 12/17.  I know MA has already adopted the 2017.  Any WISPs in MA on the list?





http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
http://talkingpointz.com/time-to-get-an-electricians-license/






http://www.electricalcodecoalition.org/state-adoptions.aspx












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 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Thursday, April 27, 2017, 10:26:53 AM, you wrote:





The best advice I can give you is to know where in the book the information is. Its an open book test and if you are a fast reader, knowing how the book is put together is the key.



On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:





How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).
 
Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick” path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal ��
 
Paul
 
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Jon Langeler]

It looks balanced to me :-)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> Better than some I've seen, although water is coming straight down that cable 
> into the bucket. Also, is the bucket screwed down or otherwise weighted? That 
> thing is going to blow all over the place in high winds. Otherwise, a white 
> bucket is not the worst outdoor enclosure ever. Probably cooler than a lot of 
> steel cabinets, but a temp solution at best. 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> You looked in the bucket, right?  Need photos.  Sometimes people forget to 
>> put the lid back on too... (I would think it but never do it like most of 
>> us. )  That bucket is gonna get full of water one way or the other if it 
>> does not have a drain hole. 
>>  
>> From: Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:42 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] New competition in town
>>  
>> Seems legit to me...
>> 
>> 
>>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.marcraft.com/Low_Voltage.html

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> The best advice I can give you is to know *where* in the book the
> information is. Its an open book test and if you are a fast reader, knowing
> how the book is put together is the key.
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about
> getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).
>
> Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick”
> path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that
> sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal 😊
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

[Chuck McCown]

They make us do this two level T profile cut.  Those seem to stand up if the 
roadbase under it is the right stuff and compacted properly.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

I guess it wouldn't matter to you but once you cut asphalt whomever is 
responsible to repair that street will have to tend to those spots every year. 
It never is the same once cut.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  In some areas in others soft dirt.  You never know.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
  Lot of rock where you are I'd imagine.


  - Josh

  On Apr 26, 2017 9:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Everyone with a boring machine around  here is booked up solid.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

I've been contracting it out for half that. Kinda makes running a drill 
yourself less attractive.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I let contracts and collect competitive bids for this all the time.  I 
have not seen HDD below $13.50 in the past 3 years around here.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

  The ARRA funded project by me was $7/foot for installation and I thought 
that was high.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:41:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"


  Looks a bit low to me.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"




  - Josh

  On Apr 26, 2017 8:24 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

You really ought to consider directional drilling.  Really cuts down on 
clean up and road repair.  Contractors will do it for about $15/foot.  Or just 
go rent one from Ditch Witch for a week or so.  They will even do some of it 
for you for free during the demo phase in hopes you will buy the machine.  

Yeah, they blow it it... into existing conduit.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

We are finalizing plans to put fiber throughout a business park and 
there 9 locations where we are planning on crossing private “roads” to connect 
the builldings with conduit (aerial not an option).  Its asphalt in 8 of the 9 
spots, and the plan was to cut the asphalt (pretty sure our ditchwitch will go 
right through it) go down about 36” fill it in and have the local “asphalt 
dude” seal it up.



I met with the “superintendent” for the park and he said “Why don’t you 
just blow the conduit in?”  I laughed at first but he insisted it’s a “thing”.  
Says AT&T does it all the time.   My only thought is directional boring, and he 
insisted No, that they “blow it in”.   Of course I assume directional boring 
costs (sub contracting) would cost be a lot more than just cutting through the 
asphalt, thus my plan.



I don’t want to chase my tail so am seeking enlightenment.   



“blowing in conduit”  ???



Paul 😊



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!

[Jay Weekley]

Life is tough isn't it?

Chuck McCown wrote:
I did and lunch today will extra special.  My wife agreed, these 
things are danged good.  Now she is going to make a batch and I get to 
be the blind taste tester.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:39 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!
Not pity... Chuck shares so much knowledge I felt he needed a good 
tamale 
On Apr 26, 2017 7:31 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:


Next career change for Jaime:  Packaged food czar.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I am putting a package of ingredients together for you
guysLater in week...I am actually working still
On Apr 26, 2017 7:18 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Eating good tonight!  A good friend sent me some tamales
in a tamale throw-down and man are they good. Going to
compare to the ones my sweedish gringa mamacita makes. Not
sure she can best these.
(Thansk Jamie!)



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com


 



 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!

[Chuck McCown]

I did and lunch today will extra special.  My wife agreed, these things are 
danged good.  Now she is going to make a batch and I get to be the blind taste 
tester.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!

Not pity... Chuck shares so much knowledge I felt he needed a good tamale 

On Apr 26, 2017 7:31 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:

  Next career change for Jaime:  Packaged food czar.

  On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

I am putting a package of ingredients together for you guysLater in 
week...I am actually working still

On Apr 26, 2017 7:18 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:


  Eating good tonight!  A good friend sent me some tamales in a tamale 
throw-down and man are they good.  Going to compare to the ones my sweedish 
gringa mamacita makes.  Not sure she can best these.  

  (Thansk Jamie!)




  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!

[Jaime Solorza]

my youngest daughter is in Chicago today and heading to some resort in
Wisconsin.I told her to avoid Mexican food restaurants in
arearecommended she try some different places not common down here.
She said, maybe...she eats "healthy" stuff on her cross fit training diet
planboring!

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Not pity... Chuck shares so much knowledge I felt he needed a good tamale
> 
>
> On Apr 26, 2017 7:31 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Next career change for Jaime:  Packaged food czar.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I am putting a package of ingredients together for you guysLater in
>>> week...I am actually working still
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2017 7:18 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>

 Eating good tonight!  A good friend sent me some tamales in a tamale
 throw-down and man are they good.  Going to compare to the ones my sweedish
 gringa mamacita makes.  Not sure she can best these.

 (Thansk Jamie!)

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Jay Weekley]

Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar 
count.


Josh Reynolds wrote:
That really doesn't look any different from most start up wisps I've 
seen who are self funding and operating with basically 0 budget.


... Which is how I suspect at least some on this list came up. Moreso 
in the Mikrotik and Ubiquiti segments probably.


- Josh

On Apr 26, 2017 11:42 PM, "Sean Heskett" > wrote:


Seems legit to me...


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Dan Petermann]

The best advice I can give you is to know where in the book the information is. 
Its an open book test and if you are a fast reader, knowing how the book is put 
together is the key.



On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about 
> getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).
>  
> Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick” 
> path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that 
> sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal 😊
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good Eats!

[Josh Reynolds]

Maybe once he gets big he can have a sit down with the sausage king of
Chicago.

- Josh

On Apr 26, 2017 8:30 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Next career change for Jaime:  Packaged food czar.
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I am putting a package of ingredients together for you guysLater in
>> week...I am actually working still
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2017 7:18 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Eating good tonight!  A good friend sent me some tamales in a tamale
>>> throw-down and man are they good.  Going to compare to the ones my sweedish
>>> gringa mamacita makes.  Not sure she can best these.
>>>
>>> (Thansk Jamie!)
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Josh Reynolds]

Doesn't each state have their own thing? Many don't even have a LV "thing"
that is recognized.

- Josh

On Apr 26, 2017 9:00 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about
> getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).
>
>
>
> Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick”
> path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that
> sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal 😊
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SWOS RB260GS New 2.0 units VLAN broken?

[Colin Stanners]

I opened up a new version RB260GS, it's a fully different MCU chip inside,
changed from Taifatech TF470 to STM32F107.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> So, there is a hardware revision of sorts on the label, "CSS106-5G-1S"
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully they would notate the hardware change with a "rb260gs v2" if it
>> was something major.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>>
>>> With a big version number change I suspect there have been hardware
>>> changes, downgrading could turn a unit into a doorstop.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Just got an order of them in, they have a new version? I haven't
 checked them out yet. Are you able to downgrade?


 On Thursday, April 13, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

> Anyone get in the new RB260GS hardware versions with software 2.0 yet?
>
> I've got a few and management VLAN for the IP seems to be broken.
>
> I put in a VLAN for management on the last page and save and I cannot
> access/ping the device on VLAN uplink through SFP port.
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Paul Stewart]

LOL ….

A number of years back we had some contracted tower crews working in very harsh 
conditions …. it was almost -40C, winds steady at about 25MPH and visibility at 
less then 50ft …. 4 guys went up the tower at daylight and were up on the tower 
until nightfall… three days in a row.

The first day they recommended that nobody go to the east of the tower where 
there was a treeline and of course anyone on the ground to ensure they had 
their hard hats on at all times etc… lots of tools, parts etc going up and down 
the tower and accidents happen.  I didn’t quite understand the reference to not 
heading to the east of the tower (which was of course the direction of the 
wind)…. after early afternoon came around, some of us were sitting around the 
base of the tower when suddenly it “clicked”… “umm, the guys are not coming 
down at all - what happens after they have had some drinks to stay hydrated and 
… well…. they gotta go?”  - answer was pretty simple … “don’t be to the east of 
the tower”…. I laughed… the day went on, nightfall came around and the guys 
returned to the bottom exhausted….

The second day, I noticed that a bucket of tools were being sent up in the 
morning as expected along with other parts/tools etc … but then I noticed the 
same thing as the day before… an empty bucket except for two things in it …. 
toilet paper wrapped in plastic and the daily newspaper …. at that point I sure 
as shit didn’t ask (yes pun intended) ….. ;)

Paul


> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Harold Bledsoe  wrote:
> 
> One thing I learned fast growing up helping my dad build build houses 
> is...never open the bucket.  ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM Jon Langeler  > wrote:
> Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume.
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> > Seems legit to me...
> > 
> > 
> >

[AFMUG] Where can we download your alignment utility? Signal received! Cassini probe shoots through Saturn's rings

[Jaime Solorza]

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F04%2F27%2Fhealth%2Fnasa-cassini-saturn-ring-dive%2F#pt0-176571

Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

[Lewis Bergman]

I guess it wouldn't matter to you but once you cut asphalt whomever is
responsible to repair that street will have to tend to those spots every
year. It never is the same once cut.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> In some areas in others soft dirt.  You never know.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
> Lot of rock where you are I'd imagine.
>
> - Josh
>
> On Apr 26, 2017 9:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Everyone with a boring machine around  here is booked up solid.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>>
>> I've been contracting it out for half that. Kinda makes running a drill
>> yourself less attractive.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I let contracts and collect competitive bids for this all the time.  I
>>> have not seen HDD below $13.50 in the past 3 years around here.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>>>
>>> The ARRA funded project by me was $7/foot for installation and I thought
>>> that was high.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:41:38 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>>>
>>> Looks a bit low to me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:39 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Josh
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2017 8:24 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 You really ought to consider directional drilling.  Really cuts down on
 clean up and road repair.  Contractors will do it for about $15/foot.  Or
 just go rent one from Ditch Witch for a week or so.  They will even do some
 of it for you for free during the demo phase in hopes you will buy the
 machine.

 Yeah, they blow it it... into existing conduit.

 *From:* Paul McCall
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:54 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"


 We are finalizing plans to put fiber throughout a business park and
 there 9 locations where we are planning on crossing private “roads” to
 connect the builldings with conduit (aerial not an option).  Its asphalt in
 8 of the 9 spots, and the plan was to cut the asphalt (pretty sure our
 ditchwitch will go right through it) go down about 36” fill it in and have
 the local “asphalt dude” seal it up.



 I met with the “superintendent” for the park and he said “Why don’t you
 just blow the conduit in?”  I laughed at first but he insisted it’s a
 “thing”.  Says AT&T does it all the time.   My only thought is directional
 boring, and he insisted No, that they “blow it in”.   Of course I assume
 directional boring costs (sub contracting) would cost be a lot more than
 just cutting through the asphalt, thus my plan.



 I don’t want to chase my tail so am seeking enlightenment.



 *“blowing in conduit”  ???*



 Paul 😊



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com





>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Lewis Bergman]

I can only assume he offers unlimited 1G internet for $5 a month.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:36 AM Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> One thing I learned fast growing up helping my dad build build houses
> is...never open the bucket.  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume.
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> >
>> > Seems legit to me...
>> > 
>> > 
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Harold Bledsoe]

One thing I learned fast growing up helping my dad build build houses
is...never open the bucket.  ;-)

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > Seems legit to me...
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Jon Langeler]

Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> Seems legit to me...
> 
> 
>