[AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.

What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

How about a little context? Westminster muni dark fiber

Of all the gubment cheese way of doing things I hate this the least.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:24 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>
> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry, Bill, all,

I was traveling last week, and just saw this one…

You may have read that this information is reported on the ePMP2000 system.  
The reason is that that system is a bit limited in the combination of 
sub-sectors that can be created.

On 450m, however, there are no “fixed” sub-sectors, and the beam steering 
capabilities are nearly infinite as far as where these sub-sectors are created 
in relation to the azimuth.  That said, a good way to tell how well your sector 
is performing is to run the “Link Test with Multiple VCs”.  This will flood the 
sector will traffic and report back a chart that shows how often SMs are able 
to be grouped together for transmission, as well as give a total potential 
throughput.

This is assuming that all SMs require data to be sent to them all the time, 
which may not be the case in actual operation, so your “real” results may not 
be the same.

There are some forum posts that discuss this, and make for better understanding 
of what we report and how you can use these statistics to optimize the 
performance.  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP450M-Grouping-Question/td-p/61580/highlight/true/page/2

Also, please try out the 15.1.1 beta load that was released Friday.  See the 
release notes.  We added more statistics that will hopefully help make it 
easier to better optimize the system.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"


It would also help finding out if any of the sub-sectors are getting 
overloaded; and which subscribers are contributing.

bp




On 6/24/2017 7:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

That tells us what it should be, it doesn't help us with what is.

bp




On 6/24/2017 7:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
I don't know the technical answer Bill, but I know that you can get a very good 
idea of the loading using LinkPlanner.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's essential to know if you want to know if you're filling the entire 
coverage area or not, and if you have a too-high population of subs in any 
particular area. It would also indicate whether your sector is properly aimed.



bp




On 6/24/2017 6:50 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Why would you want to know this information anyway?

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Maybe a different way to say this is which beam? Since subs can be on any o 7 
"beams", it would be nice to know which subscriber is on which beam. Well, not 
exactly nice; more of a necessity.

If we can't see it now, perhaps it's on the roadmap?

-bp


On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I thought I had read somewhere about a way to determine which subsector a 
subscriber is in, but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming or something?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



--
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[fiberrun]

I think you got the numbers wrong. The article says 40% of the buildout will 
pass 2600 serviceable addresses, not that they will spend $21M to pass those 
2600 addresses. The city has 18k residents plus 30k more in the burbs. 

Jared
 
 

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

How about a little context? Westminster muni dark 
fiber[https://insidetowers.com/westminster-future-proofs-dark-fiber-network/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List&utm_campaign=217214801e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-217214801e-91496749&goal=0_af16c4fc22-217214801e-91496749]
Of all the gubment cheese way of doing things I hate this the least.
 

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:24 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com]> wrote:
Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer. 
 
What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Dennis Burgess]

We offer hosted email, migration etc.  Visit our page for more information or 
e-mail me off-list ☺


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Harold Bledsoe]

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
performance.  ;-)

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change
and is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what
you can already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering
> they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm
> thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just
> realistic after seeing their last efforts.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...
>
> Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a
> very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The
> conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement
> like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would
> allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed
> Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx
> sub $100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost.
> (Hm now that got everyone attention).
>
> They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in
> bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...
>
> It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there,
> some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more
> questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ...
> yes they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very
> near future if one considers the development of what is coming down the
> pikes and the possible disruptive pricing.
>
>
> So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon
> Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it
> would be a good proposition for them and their investors.
>
> Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering
> 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent
> ROI, knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and
> others, including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed
> Wireless is definitely getting raised
>
> Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require
> re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for
> sure.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
> >
> > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
> > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
> > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
> > guaranteed to fail in the long run.
> >
> > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
> > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
> > think they're talking about the second thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
> >
> >>Context, context context...
> >>
> >>everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is
> >>mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here
> >>is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who
> >>simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end
> >>goal
> >>
> >>Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to
> >>answer your question, using a traditional single radio concept, the
> >>answer would be NO... however if you think of 'multi-radio' units,
> >>then the equation can change drastically
> >>
> >>For those who want to understand this concept better, take a look at
> >>what Xirrus did/does for high density Wifi deployment, granted they
> >>get a premium for their stuff, but their "AP" are multi-radio units,
> >>2/4/8/16 with some combination of 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz... so fast forward
> >>technology, think of a multi-radio AP, using multiple 2.4ghz, 5Ghz and
> >>60ghz radios, and now see how far this concept can 

[AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Jay Weekley]

It's time for security cameras at some of our sites.  I'm looking for 
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send captures 
by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Mike Hammett]

UniFi Video 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:03:21 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations 

It's time for security cameras at some of our sites. I'm looking for 
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send captures 
by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any recommendations? 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Jay Weekley]

Do you have a model you like?

Mike Hammett wrote:

UniFi Video



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:03:21 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

It's time for security cameras at some of our sites.  I'm looking for
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send captures
by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any 
recommendations?



 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

[Ken Patrick]

We announced our fund raise today. Thanks for all the support from the list

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/26/a-new-wireless-tower-network-grows-in-africa-as-yc-alum-tizeti-raises-2-1-million/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2017/06/26/nigerian-tech-startup-tizeti-secures-2-1m-to-bring-affordable-wireless-internet-to-africa/#bda54a27abaf






On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM Ken Ananyi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please find job description for Large WISP based in Lagos, Nigeria.
> We have been covered in Techcrunch
> 
> and Muniwireless
> 
> .
> We also have openings for Operations folks with  less experience than
> below.
>
>
>
> *Chief Technology Officer – CTO*
>
> TIZETI Inc. is looking for a Chief Technical Officer to work in Lagos,
> Nigeria
>
>
> *ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES*
>
> · Monitoring new technologies and assessing their potential to
> become new products or services, Overseeing the selection of projects to
> insure that they have the potential to add value to the company, Explain
> company products and future plans to the trade media
>
> · Participating in government and industry groups
>
> · Integrating technology-based activities into the corporate
> strategy
>
> · Make decisions about which technologies are most likely to
> generate the highest rate of return
>
> · Deal with strategic decisions about the future direction of the
> company
>
> · Developing new products based on new technology
>
> · Improve our core Unlimited Internet Service offering
>
> · Must be able to communicate clearly and effectively with people
> from all types of backgrounds.
>
> *Requirements*
>
> This is an executive-level, highly responsible position directing TIZETI
> Inc. activities of communications, computer operations, systems management,
> and network administration and programming functions.
>
> · Minimum 7 years’ experience in the Wireless ISP or Telecom
> field and role in Senior Management.
>
> · Experience with Cisco Networking equipment
>
> · Experience with Ubiquiti and Cambium based Wireless Network
>
> · Experience running licensed and Mitigating interference in
> Unlicensed Frequencies wireless networks
>
> · Experience with MicroWave and mmWave networks
>
> · Working Knowledge of Linux
>
> · Knowledge of PHP is an Asset
>
> · Willing to work out of Lagos, Nigeria
>
>
>
> *APPLICATION PROCESS*
>
> Please send resume and cover letter to car...@tizeti.com
>  or reply
> to me.
>
>
>
> *About TIZETI*
>
> TIZETI Inc. dba Wifi.com.ng is the Wireless “ISP for Africa”. We are
> backed by Y Combinator and are leveraging the large wireless capacity
> available with Wi-fi and plummeting cost of solar panels to create a low
> capex/opex network of owned & operated towers to offer disruptive,
> customer-friendly pricing for unlimited internet. Our coverage is in Lagos,
> Nigeria and we are expanding to the South South Region as well as other
> cities in West Africa.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Rory Conaway]

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering they 
already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking 
it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic after 
seeing their last efforts.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a very 
interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The conversation got 
everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement like.. We are working 
on a goal of network design and products which would allow us to build and 
deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so 
good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring 
service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that got everyone 
attention).

They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there, some 
money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more questions 
and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes they are 
correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near future if one 
considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible 
disruptive pricing.


So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors.

Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised

Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
>
> "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
> composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
> "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
> guaranteed to fail in the long run.
>
> However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
> installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
> think they're talking about the second thing.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>>Context, context context...
>>
>>everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is
>>mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here
>>is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who
>>simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end
>>goal
>>
>>Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to
>>answer your question, using a traditional single radio concept, the
>>answer would be NO... however if you think of 'multi-radio' units,
>>then the equation can change drastically
>>
>>For those who want to u

[AFMUG] windows firewall manager

[Steve Jones]

Im trying to get webroxy set up for serverplus on a windows 10 box. Im a
windows guy, but i never dick around much with the firewall. I tried to
strip all the rules and just add a default drop and then an allow for them
with IP ACL. but it doesnt appear you can order the rules.
Is there a firewall manager thats simplae and I can order rules and do ACLs
on windows? i will have this behind a mikrotik with ACL and limited rules,
but with putting a public IP on the machine itself, I would like to be sure
the box isnt churning out botnet commandlets

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Chuck McCown]

I can do a home for about $3500

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.  

What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

[Chuck McCown]

Make sure you get that prince a circuit so he can ditch his fax machine.  

From: Ken Patrick 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Mikrotik Users ; Ubiquiti Users Group ; af@afmug.com ; kend...@tizeti.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

We announced our fund raise today. Thanks for all the support from the list

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/26/a-new-wireless-tower-network-grows-in-africa-as-yc-alum-tizeti-raises-2-1-million/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2017/06/26/nigerian-tech-startup-tizeti-secures-2-1m-to-bring-affordable-wireless-internet-to-africa/#bda54a27abaf






On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM Ken Ananyi  wrote:

  Hi, 

  Please find job description for Large WISP based in Lagos, Nigeria.
  We have been covered in Techcrunch and Muniwireless.
  We also have openings for Operations folks with  less experience than below.



  Chief Technology Officer – CTO

  TIZETI Inc. is looking for a Chief Technical Officer to work in Lagos, Nigeria



  ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES

  · Monitoring new technologies and assessing their potential to become 
new products or services, Overseeing the selection of projects to insure that 
they have the potential to add value to the company, Explain company products 
and future plans to the trade media

  · Participating in government and industry groups 

  · Integrating technology-based activities into the corporate strategy 

  · Make decisions about which technologies are most likely to generate 
the highest rate of return

  · Deal with strategic decisions about the future direction of the 
company

  · Developing new products based on new technology 

  · Improve our core Unlimited Internet Service offering

  · Must be able to communicate clearly and effectively with people 
from all types of backgrounds.

  Requirements

  This is an executive-level, highly responsible position directing TIZETI Inc. 
activities of communications, computer operations, systems management, and 
network administration and programming functions.

  · Minimum 7 years’ experience in the Wireless ISP or Telecom field 
and role in Senior Management.

  · Experience with Cisco Networking equipment

  · Experience with Ubiquiti and Cambium based Wireless Network

  · Experience running licensed and Mitigating interference in 
Unlicensed Frequencies wireless networks

  · Experience with MicroWave and mmWave networks

  · Working Knowledge of Linux

  · Knowledge of PHP is an Asset

  · Willing to work out of Lagos, Nigeria 



  APPLICATION PROCESS

  Please send resume and cover letter to 
mailto:car...@tizeti.com?subject=Application%20for%20CTO%20Position or reply to 
me.



  About TIZETI

  TIZETI Inc. dba Wifi.com.ng is the Wireless “ISP for Africa”. We are backed 
by Y Combinator and are leveraging the large wireless capacity available with 
Wi-fi and plummeting cost of solar panels to create a low capex/opex network of 
owned & operated towers to offer disruptive, customer-friendly pricing for 
unlimited internet. Our coverage is in Lagos, Nigeria and we are expanding to 
the South South Region as well as other cities in West Africa.

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

 

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)

 

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

  Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a 
very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The 
conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement 
like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would 
allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed 
Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub 
$100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm 
now that got everyone attention).

  They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

  It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there, 
some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more 
questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes 
they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near 
future if one considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and 
the possible disruptive pricing.


  So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors.

  Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised

  Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  - Original Message -
  > From: "Adam Moffett" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
  >
  > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
  > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
  > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
  > guaranteed to fail in the long run.
  >
  > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
  > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
  > think they're talking about the second thing.
  >
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
  >
  >>Context, context context...
  >>
  >>everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is
  >>mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here
  >>is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who
  >>simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end
  >>goal
  >>
  >>Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to
  >>answer your question, using a traditional single ra

Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

[Rory Conaway]

We were going to do work there until the exchange rate went nuts.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

Make sure you get that prince a circuit so he can ditch his fax machine.

From: Ken Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Mikrotik Users ; Ubiquiti Users Group ; af@afmug.com ; 
kend...@tizeti.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

We announced our fund raise today. Thanks for all the support from the list

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/26/a-new-wireless-tower-network-grows-in-africa-as-yc-alum-tizeti-raises-2-1-million/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2017/06/26/nigerian-tech-startup-tizeti-secures-2-1m-to-bring-affordable-wireless-internet-to-africa/#bda54a27abaf






On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM Ken Ananyi 
mailto:patr...@tizeti.com>> wrote:
Hi,

Please find job description for Large WISP based in Lagos, Nigeria.
We have been covered in 
Techcrunch
 and 
Muniwireless.
We also have openings for Operations folks with  less experience than below.


Chief Technology Officer – CTO
TIZETI Inc. is looking for a Chief Technical Officer to work in Lagos, Nigeria

ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES

• Monitoring new technologies and assessing their potential to become 
new products or services, Overseeing the selection of projects to insure that 
they have the potential to add value to the company, Explain company products 
and future plans to the trade media

• Participating in government and industry groups

• Integrating technology-based activities into the corporate strategy

• Make decisions about which technologies are most likely to generate 
the highest rate of return

• Deal with strategic decisions about the future direction of the 
company

• Developing new products based on new technology

• Improve our core Unlimited Internet Service offering

• Must be able to communicate clearly and effectively with people from 
all types of backgrounds.
Requirements
This is an executive-level, highly responsible position directing TIZETI Inc. 
activities of communications, computer operations, systems management, and 
network administration and programming functions.

• Minimum 7 years’ experience in the Wireless ISP or Telecom field and 
role in Senior Management.

• Experience with Cisco Networking equipment

• Experience with Ubiquiti and Cambium based Wireless Network

• Experience running licensed and Mitigating interference in Unlicensed 
Frequencies wireless networks

• Experience with MicroWave and mmWave networks

• Working Knowledge of Linux

• Knowledge of PHP is an Asset

• Willing to work out of Lagos, Nigeria

APPLICATION PROCESS
Please send resume and cover letter to 
mailto:car...@tizeti.com?subject=Application%20for%20CTO%20Position or reply to 
me.

About TIZETI
TIZETI Inc. dba Wifi.com.ng is the Wireless “ISP for 
Africa”. We are backed by Y Combinator and are leveraging the large wireless 
capacity available with Wi-fi and plummeting cost of solar panels to create a 
low capex/opex network of owned & operated towers to offer disruptive, 
customer-friendly pricing for unlimited internet. Our coverage is in Lagos, 
Nigeria and we are expanding to the South South Region as well as other cities 
in West Africa.

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D
 

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains. 
I remain a 60 GHz luddite. 




From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 



I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it. Just not the way they are planning on to 
do it and the costs involved. It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you need. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance. ;-) 



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments. Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right? 


On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing. Considering they 
already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking 
it's not a winning profit model. Not being cynical, just realistic after seeing 
their last efforts. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ... 

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a very 
interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The conversation got 
everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement like.. We are working 
on a goal of network design and products which would allow us to build and 
deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so 
good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring 
service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that got everyone 
attention). 

They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us... 

It was a great discussion, there were a couple of handful of folks there, some 
money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more questions 
and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes they are 
correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near future if one 
considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible 
disruptive pricing. 


So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors. 

Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised 

Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 

> That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail. 
> 
> "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true. A mesh topology 
> composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea. 
> "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is 
> guaranteed to fail in the long run. 
> 
> However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an 
> installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to 
> think they're talking about the second thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message -- 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
> To: 

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Roger Timmerman]

We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home connected
all-in expenses.

Roger

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I can do a home for about $3500
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>
> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>
> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Im testing it…

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:
They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering they 
already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking 
it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic after 
seeing their last efforts.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a very 
interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The conversation got 
everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement like.. We are working 
on a goal of network design and products which would allow us to build and 
deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so 
good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring 
service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that got everyone 
attention).

They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there, some 
money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more questions 
and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes they are 
correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near future if one 
considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible 
disruptive pricing.


So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors.

Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised

Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
>
> "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
> composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
> "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
> guaranteed to fail in the long run.
>
> However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
> installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
> think they're talking about the second thing.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>>Context, context context...
>>
>>everyone has a differen

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers.  

Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?



As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

  Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a 
very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The 
conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement 
like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would 
allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed 
Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub 
$100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm 
now that got everyone attention).

  They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

  It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there, 
some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more 
questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes 
they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near 
future if one considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and 
the possible disruptive pricing.


  So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors.

  Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised

  Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  - Original Message -
  > From: "Adam Moffett" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
  >
  > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
  > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
  > "Mesh" meaning wifi with

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Chuck McCown]

I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.  

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home connected 
all-in expenses. 

Roger

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I can do a home for about $3500

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

  Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.  

  What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

If Gino gives it a thumbs up, that I will believe.  Hardest rain I ever 
experienced was coming out of Gino’s office one day.  The street got 2 feet 
deep in about 10 minutes.  Worried my spark plugs would short out.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

Im testing it… 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?





  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

 

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)

 

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

  Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a 
very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The 
conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement 
like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would 
allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed 
Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub 
$100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm 
now that got everyone attention).

  They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

  It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there, 
some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more 
questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes 
they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near 
future if one considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and 
the possible disruptive pricing.


  So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors.

  Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI, 
knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others, 
including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is 
definitely getting raised

  Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require 
re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for 
sure.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  - Original Message -
  > From: "Adam Moffett" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
  >
  > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
  > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
  > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
  > guaranteed to fail in the long run.
  >
  > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
  > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
  > think they're talking 

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

I did skim it. I guess you could read it either way but you are likely
right. Still seems a bit high. I am only familiar with one other Muni dark
fiber project in Ohio and they are having a difficult time trying to recoup
their cost and leave enough margin for a provider to take it the last step
profitably. Who knows; maybe this will work.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.
>
> *From:* Roger Timmerman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>
> We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home
> connected all-in expenses.
>
> Roger
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I can do a home for about $3500
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>
>> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
>> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
>> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>>
>> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Mike Hammett]

You don't have to wonder. It's simply math. 

The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full 
modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60 GHz 
is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per hour rain 
without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the Salt Lake City 
Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect to receive 4" per 
hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB post to see how often 
you get how much rain at whatever location is more appropriate for you. For 
Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured on a 5 minute interval every 
year, so a much less reliable link for me than you, all else equal. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




Any drop is going to cause a headache. If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers. 

Time will tell. I will not be an early adopter. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D
 

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains. 
I remain a 60 GHz luddite. 




From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 



I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it. Just not the way they are planning on to 
do it and the costs involved. It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you need. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance. ;-) 



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments. Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right? 


On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing. Considering they 
already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking 
it's not a winning profit model. Not being cynical, just realistic after seeing 
their last efforts. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ... 

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a very 
interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The conversation got 
everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement like.. We are working 
on a goal of network design and products which would allow us to build and 
deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so 
good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring 
service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that got everyone 
attention). 

They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us... 

It was a great discussion, there were a couple of handful of folks there, some 
money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more questions 
and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes they are 
correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near future if one 
considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible 
disruptive pricing. 


So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon 
Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it would 
be a good proposition for them and their investors. 

Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering 
100-150meg for residential subscri

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Lewis Bergman]

I need to go see Gino's office.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If Gino gives it a thumbs up, that I will believe.  Hardest rain I ever
> experienced was coming out of Gino’s office one day.  The street got 2 feet
> deep in about 10 minutes.  Worried my spark plugs would short out.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> Im testing it…
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:05 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy
> rains.  I remain a 60 GHz luddite.
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
> I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning
> on to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that
> you need.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
>
> As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
> performance.  ;-)
>
>
>
> There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will
> change and is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look
> at what you can already do with Galactus right?
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering
> they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm
> thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just
> realistic after seeing their last efforts.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...
>
> Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a
> very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The
> conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement
> like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would
> allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed
> Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx
> sub $100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost.
> (Hm now that got everyone attention).
>
> They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in
> bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...
>
> It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there,
> some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more
> questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ...
> yes they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very
> near future if one considers the development of what is coming down the
> pikes and the possible disruptive pricing.
>
>
> So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon
> Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it
> would be a good proposition for them and their investors.
>
> Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering
> 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent
> ROI, knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and
> others, including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed
> Wireless is definitely getting raised
>
> Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require
> re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for
> sure.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
> >
> > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
> > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
> > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

Simply math, lots of wrecked spacecraft on the surface of Mars due to simply 
math.  Simply math does not model everything in this case.  If it was simply 
math Vivint would be eating everyone’s lunch by now.  

This year we received 4” of rain per hour for several times.  Not long duration 
but long enough to piss off customers that would have gone down.  How about 
snow and snow accumulation on antennas etc?  

Let the early adopters prove or disprove it.  Not me.  You use your own money 
first.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

You don't have to wonder. It's simply math.

The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full 
modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60 GHz 
is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per hour rain 
without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the Salt Lake City 
Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect to receive 4" per 
hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB post to see how often 
you get how much rain at whatever location is more appropriate for you. For 
Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured on a 5 minute interval every 
year, so a much less reliable link for me than you, all else equal.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers.  

Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?



As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

  There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

  Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a 
very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The 
conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement 
like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would 
allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed 
Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub 
$100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm 
now that got everyone attention).

  They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing 
costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

  It was a great discussi

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Mike Hammett]

I did use my own money. Works great. :-) Well, on a shorter path. Again, only 
math being the difference. 

60 GHz gear is far from new. The only new thing is the price point, multipoint 
and performance. 

I did say full modulation rate. There's another 10 or so dB (so another 
2"/hour) before the link drops. 

The problem with the NOAA site is indeed only down to a five minute average. 
What site is closest to you? What does it report? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:39:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




Simply math, lots of wrecked spacecraft on the surface of Mars due to simply 
math. Simply math does not model everything in this case. If it was simply math 
Vivint would be eating everyone’s lunch by now. 

This year we received 4” of rain per hour for several times. Not long duration 
but long enough to piss off customers that would have gone down. How about snow 
and snow accumulation on antennas etc? 

Let the early adopters prove or disprove it. Not me. You use your own money 
first. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:25 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


You don't have to wonder. It's simply math. 

The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full 
modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60 GHz 
is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per hour rain 
without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the Salt Lake City 
Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect to receive 4" per 
hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB post to see how often 
you get how much rain at whatever location is more appropriate for you. For 
Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured on a 5 minute interval every 
year, so a much less reliable link for me than you, all else equal. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




Any drop is going to cause a headache. If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers. 

Time will tell. I will not be an early adopter. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D
 

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 




I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains. 
I remain a 60 GHz luddite. 




From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 



I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it. Just not the way they are planning on to 
do it and the costs involved. It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you need. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 


As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance. ;-) 



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments. Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right? 


On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing. Considering they 
already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking 
it's not a winning profit model. Not being cynical, just realistic after seeing 
their last efforts. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ... 

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmeric

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

Let’s pick this up again in one year.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I did use my own money. Works great.  :-)  Well, on a shorter path. Again, only 
math being the difference.

60 GHz gear is far from new. The only new thing is the price point, multipoint 
and performance.

I did say full modulation rate. There's another 10 or so dB (so another 
2"/hour) before the link drops.

The problem with the NOAA site is indeed only down to a five minute average. 
What site is closest to you? What does it report?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:39:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


Simply math, lots of wrecked spacecraft on the surface of Mars due to simply 
math.  Simply math does not model everything in this case.  If it was simply 
math Vivint would be eating everyone’s lunch by now.  

This year we received 4” of rain per hour for several times.  Not long duration 
but long enough to piss off customers that would have gone down.  How about 
snow and snow accumulation on antennas etc?  

Let the early adopters prove or disprove it.  Not me.  You use your own money 
first.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

You don't have to wonder. It's simply math.

The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full 
modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60 GHz 
is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per hour rain 
without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the Salt Lake City 
Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect to receive 4" per 
hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB post to see how often 
you get how much rain at whatever location is more appropriate for you. For 
Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured on a 5 minute interval every 
year, so a much less reliable link for me than you, all else equal.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers.  

Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?



As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I did use my own money. Works great.  :-)  Well, on a shorter path. Again, only 
math being the difference.

60 GHz gear is far from new. The only new thing is the price point, multipoint 
and performance.

I did say full modulation rate. There's another 10 or so dB (so another 
2"/hour) before the link drops.

The problem with the NOAA site is indeed only down to a five minute average. 
What site is closest to you? What does it report?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:39:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


Simply math, lots of wrecked spacecraft on the surface of Mars due to simply 
math.  Simply math does not model everything in this case.  If it was simply 
math Vivint would be eating everyone’s lunch by now.  

This year we received 4” of rain per hour for several times.  Not long duration 
but long enough to piss off customers that would have gone down.  How about 
snow and snow accumulation on antennas etc?  

Let the early adopters prove or disprove it.  Not me.  You use your own money 
first.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

You don't have to wonder. It's simply math.

The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full 
modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60 GHz 
is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per hour rain 
without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the Salt Lake City 
Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect to receive 4" per 
hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB post to see how often 
you get how much rain at whatever location is more appropriate for you. For 
Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured on a 5 minute interval every 
year, so a much less reliable link for me than you, all else equal.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish 
network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for my 
customers.  

Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D

There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available 
(Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link should be 
dropping for how much rain.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy rains.  
I remain a 60 GHz luddite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning on 
to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you 
need.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?



As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future 
performance.  ;-)



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change and 
is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what you can 
already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering 
they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm 
thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just realistic 
after seeing their last efforts.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

We are using it / have test setup etc.. 

Rain Fade performance is pretty close to 24ghz (we are using the 64ghz 
channel).. short links doing well. Having 5ghz backup is nice. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:05:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy 
> rains. I
> remain a 60 GHz luddite.
> From: Rory Conaway
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it. Just not the way they are planning on 
> to
> do it and the costs involved. It’s just one tool in the toolbox that you need.

> Rory

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
> performance. ;-)

> There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change 
> and
> is already changing suburban and urban deployments. Just look at what you can
> already do with Galactus right?

> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote:

>> They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing. Considering 
>> they
>> already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm thinking
>> it's not a winning profit model. Not being cynical, just realistic after 
>> seeing
>> their last efforts.

>> Rory

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

>> There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

>> Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a 
>> very
>> interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The conversation 
>> got
>> everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement like.. We are 
>> working
>> on a goal of network design and products which would allow us to build and
>> deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so
>> good), and we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring
>> service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that got 
>> everyone
>> attention).

>> They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in bringing
>> costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...

>> It was a great discussion, there were a couple of handful of folks there, 
>> some
>> money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more 
>> questions
>> and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... yes they 
>> are
>> correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very near future if 
>> one
>> considers the development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible
>> disruptive pricing.

>> So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon
>> Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it 
>> would
>> be a good proposition for them and their investors.

>> Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering
>> 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent ROI,
>> knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and others,
>> including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed Wireless is
>> definitely getting raised

>> Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require
>> re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for
>> sure.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

>> > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.

>> > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true. A mesh topology
>> > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
>> > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
>> > guaranteed to fail in the long run.

>> > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
>> > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
>> > think they're ta

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Robert Andrews]

Highest rain I ever saw was next door to you in Colorado.  Storm dropped 
so much rain so fast that we were driving up an overpass approach and 
the water started to come over the hood of the Honda aura we were 
driving..   This was up the side of a 5% grade!  Just the water off the 
overpass.   I was certain that we were going to stall out from water 
ingestion, but that Honda just kept going...  I was hard to see through 
the 4+ inches of water on the windshield...


On 06/26/2017 08:14 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If Gino gives it a thumbs up, that I will believe.  Hardest rain I ever
experienced was coming out of Gino’s office one day.  The street got 2
feet deep in about 10 minutes.  Worried my spark plugs would short out.

*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

Im testing it…

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy
rains.  I remain a 60 GHz luddite.

*From:* Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?


I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are
planning on to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the
toolbox that you need.



Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?



As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
performance.  ;-)



There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will
change and is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just
look at what you can already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.
Considering they already went through $50 or $60M and only have
20,000 customers, I'm thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not
being cynical, just realistic after seeing their last efforts.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...

Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there
was a very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D
guys. The conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow
made a statement like.. We are working on a goal of network design
and products which would allow us to build and deliver Gigabit
service to each Home, via fixed Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and
we believe we can do this at approx sub $100 / month recurring
service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. (Hm now that
got everyone attention).

They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in
bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of
us...

It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks
there, some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a
little bit more questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I
found myself saying ... yes they are correct, this is doable with
(not right now) but in the very near future if one considers the
development of what is coming down the pikes and the possible
disruptive pricing.


So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular
Silicon Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal,
then yes, it would be a good proposition for them and their investors.

Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear,
delivering 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has
a pretty decent ROI, knowing a little bit about what else is in the
works with Mimosa and others, including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for
what can be done with Fixed Wireless is definitely getting raised

Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will
require re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network
build-outs, that is for sure.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: a

[AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K locations | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-expands-rural-fixed-wireless-web-service-to-70k-locations?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTURabVlqQTBOR0ZtTlRJMSIsInQiOiJCb2NoWVBTRlNMUW1jeVgzeEh0VGtscnVLc1hPTmtaSWM3S3dCeCsrZmRFbGF0enBxdXNrTHFXYW9wTWEyXC82bnk3a1BDNG9tN0F5blVXdVBsK0NGZmo2eDdCK0ZDaDZWTUVEUmtzSm1EYktvYWNESUxzUE9XZmZvMW5iSXJlM0YifQ%3D%3D&mrkid=27472010&utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K locations | FierceWireless

[James Howard]

The service includes 160 GB of data per month, with additional data available 
at $10 per GB up to a maximum of $200 a month. Customers must have an 
AT&T-provided outdoor antenna and the carrier's indoor residential gateway, and 
additional buckets of 50 GB of data are available for $10 each up to a maximum 
of $200 a month.


So can it be a total of $200 per month or do you get 160GB plus $10 per GB up 
to $200 at which point you can buy each additional 50GB for $10 each up to 20 
more of those?  Or do you pay up to $200 for the outdoor antenna and up to $200 
for the indoor residential gateway?

Not very clear in the article.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K locations 
| FierceWireless

http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-expands-rural-fixed-wireless-web-service-to-70k-locations?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTURabVlqQTBOR0ZtTlRJMSIsInQiOiJCb2NoWVBTRlNMUW1jeVgzeEh0VGtscnVLc1hPTmtaSWM3S3dCeCsrZmRFbGF0enBxdXNrTHFXYW9wTWEyXC82bnk3a1BDNG9tN0F5blVXdVBsK0NGZmo2eDdCK0ZDaDZWTUVEUmtzSm1EYktvYWNESUxzUE9XZmZvMW5iSXJlM0YifQ%3D%3D&mrkid=27472010&utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Dave]

funny,
We were just talking about that this morning.
Someone took a baseball bat to our outside meters I guess trying to turn 
off the Tower lights



On 06/26/2017 09:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
It's time for security cameras at some of our sites. I'm looking for 
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send 
captures by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any 
recommendations?


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Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Dave]

Love the SSBOX for surge :)


On 06/26/2017 01:02 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I am installing these as we speak... extra long range IR and xWDR.. 
Hikvision WB80Z.   CCTV HD TVI...with varifocal lens...will share 
video once I am done...100.00 each..


Jaime Solorza

On Jun 26, 2017 8:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


UniFi Video



-
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Midwest Internet Exchange 


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*From: *"Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:03:21 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

It's time for security cameras at some of our sites. I'm looking for
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send
captures
by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any
recommendations?



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Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Jay Weekley]

Hope they were using an aluminum bat.

Dave wrote:

funny,
We were just talking about that this morning.
Someone took a baseball bat to our outside meters I guess trying to 
turn off the Tower lights



On 06/26/2017 09:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
It's time for security cameras at some of our sites.  I'm looking for 
good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send 
captures by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any 
recommendations?


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Re: [AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to70K locations | FierceWireless

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I haven't found where you can sign up

  - Original Message - 
  From: James Howard 
  To: 'af@afmug.com' 
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to70K 
locations | FierceWireless


  The service includes 160 GB of data per month, with additional data available 
at $10 per GB up to a maximum of $200 a month. Customers must have an 
AT&T-provided outdoor antenna and the carrier's indoor residential gateway, and 
additional buckets of 50 GB of data are available for $10 each up to a maximum 
of $200 a month.

   

   

  So can it be a total of $200 per month or do you get 160GB plus $10 per GB up 
to $200 at which point you can buy each additional 50GB for $10 each up to 20 
more of those?  Or do you pay up to $200 for the outdoor antenna and up to $200 
for the indoor residential gateway?

   

  Not very clear in the article.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:16 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] AT&T expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K 
locations | FierceWireless

   

  
http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-expands-rural-fixed-wireless-web-service-to-70k-locations?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTURabVlqQTBOR0ZtTlRJMSIsInQiOiJCb2NoWVBTRlNMUW1jeVgzeEh0VGtscnVLc1hPTmtaSWM3S3dCeCsrZmRFbGF0enBxdXNrTHFXYW9wTWEyXC82bnk3a1BDNG9tN0F5blVXdVBsK0NGZmo2eDdCK0ZDaDZWTUVEUmtzSm1EYktvYWNESUxzUE9XZmZvMW5iSXJlM0YifQ%3D%3D&mrkid=27472010&utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Jaime Solorza]

Protects connectors...

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 26, 2017 2:16 PM, "Dave"  wrote:

> Love the SSBOX for surge :)
>
>
> On 06/26/2017 01:02 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I am installing these as we speak... extra long range IR and xWDR..
> Hikvision WB80Z.   CCTV HD TVI...with varifocal lens...will share video
> once I am done...100.00 each..
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> Jaime Solorza
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> On Jun 26, 2017 8:04 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
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>> UniFi Video
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>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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>> The Brothers WISP 
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>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:03:21 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations
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>> It's time for security cameras at some of our sites.  I'm looking for
>> good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send captures
>> by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any
>> recommendations?
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