Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will
keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.

Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware.
Looks good so far.

On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>
>
>
>
> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>
> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>
>
> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
> environment.
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
> Gotcha.
>
> Adam Moffett wrote:
> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
> > now.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Jay Weekley" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
> >
> >> 11ac?
> >>
> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Original Message --
> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
> >>>
>  We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>  suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>  omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>  offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>  you think?  Unifi?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> >>> http://www.avg.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Rory Conaway]

We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw 18Mbps 
with 100 devices on 3 radios.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times

- Original Message -
From: Layne Sisk
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the environment.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> >
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" >
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
 We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
 suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
 omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
 offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
 you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times

  - Original Message - 
  From: Layne Sisk 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


  We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

  Layne Sisk
  ServerPlus
  801.426.8283, ext 102






  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

  Gotcha.

  Adam Moffett wrote:
  > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
  > now.
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Jay Weekley" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >
  >> 11ac?
  >>
  >> Adam Moffett wrote:
  >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -- Original Message --
  >>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
  >>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
  >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
  >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >>>
   We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
   suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
   omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
   offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
   you think?  Unifi?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ---
  >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
  >>> http://www.avg.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

isn't the latest unifi line ac?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


  Gotcha.

  Adam Moffett wrote:
  > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
  > 802.11ac is totally a thing now.
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Jay Weekley" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >
  >> 11ac?
  >>
  >> Adam Moffett wrote:
  >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -- Original Message --
  >>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
  >>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
  >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
  >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >>>
   We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
   suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
   omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
   offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
   you think?  Unifi?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ---
  >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
  >>> http://www.avg.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you ever have plans to do DWDM or splice long haul fiber you absolutely
need core alignment. V-groove fusion splicers are for last mile only and
for in-premises stuff (like 1310nm LX from basement to 20th floor of an
office building).



On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Core alignment is betterbut the difference isn't much.
>
> If you have to splice into something older than a certain year (I can't
> remember the yearmaybe 2000-something?) then you have to have core
> alignment.  I was told the manufacturing process changed at some point and
> the cladding became consistent enough for cladding alignment to work, but
> before that point it was core alignment or nothing.
>
> I don't know if this is true with core alignment, but with cladding
> alignment any tiny bit of debris can misalign the fibers.  Usually it's a
> little flake of the 250um acrylic stuck to the fiber or in the v-groove.
> It's not a big deal, but it's a thing that might waste a minute or two.
>
> There used to be a huge price difference, but if I was buying one today
> I'd probably go for core alignment too.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rob Genovesi" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/10/2017 1:32:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
> Thanks everyone for the feedback - super helpful!
>>
>> Fujikura has the strong brand name, but seems like people have success
>> with the other brands as well.  I noticed the Fujikura 12s is clad
>> alignment were the other options are core alignment.  From what I've
>> ready core alignment would be preferred?
>>
>> Gotta pull the trigger soon, I'm leaning towards the Oriontek T40.
>> The all-knowing Google turned up some others having good experience
>> with it.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Rory Conaway]

My vote is on the new Ubiquiti mesh.  Cheap and it works solidly.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
 We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
 suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
 omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
 offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
 you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The old archived emails I've found on the toughswitch problem was random
packetloss.   But I remember someone had figured out more details, just
don't remember what they were and haven't found an email which contains the
discussion.  I vaguely think it might have been load or pps related, but
before what you'd think was full load.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Fill up the bridge table and see how it responds, for one.
>
> Not forwarding though, sounds like a chipset bug you'd need to catch.
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 3:39 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Let me phrase this differently:  I am evaluating a new switch platform
> that I am skeptical of.   I want to construct a test that the toughswitch
> would fail (but a properly operating switch should pass) to ensure that
> this platform hasn't made a similar error.
>
> If there are other known bad platforms I would like to include those in
> this test suite as well.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Symptom of Toughswitch is you installed one in the network.  Get rid of
>> it.
>>
>> Use a PowerBox or Netonix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2017 1:18 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet
>>> forwarding problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me about the
>>> details of the symptoms/cause?
>>>
>>> I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.
>>>
>>> I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can
>>> validate that this problem doesn't occur.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, I was thinking I don't often see detailed descriptions of the 
problems in firmware release notes for cheap hardware.  Usually for 
cheap stuff they just say "fixed potential crash" or something similarly 
vague.  I've also seen gibberish due to (I assume) translation issues.  
I'm also betting most people buying a cheap switch aren't taking the 
time to isolate a root cause of a lockup.




-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 4:41:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure 
reminder?



Fill up the bridge table and see how it responds, for one.

Not forwarding though, sounds like a chipset bug you'd need to catch.

On Aug 14, 2017 3:39 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
Let me phrase this differently:  I am evaluating a new switch platform 
that I am skeptical of.   I want to construct a test that the 
toughswitch would fail (but a properly operating switch should pass) 
to ensure that this platform hasn't made a similar error.


If there are other known bad platforms I would like to include those 
in this test suite as well.




On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:
Symptom of Toughswitch is you installed one in the network.  Get rid 
of it.


Use a PowerBox or Netonix.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 14, 2017 1:18 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet 
forwarding problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me 
about the details of the symptoms/cause?


I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.

I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can 
validate that this problem doesn't occur.


--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

  
  






--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Layne Sisk]

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
 We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
 suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
 omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
 offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
 you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Josh Reynolds]

Fill up the bridge table and see how it responds, for one.

Not forwarding though, sounds like a chipset bug you'd need to catch.

On Aug 14, 2017 3:39 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

Let me phrase this differently:  I am evaluating a new switch platform that
I am skeptical of.   I want to construct a test that the toughswitch would
fail (but a properly operating switch should pass) to ensure that this
platform hasn't made a similar error.

If there are other known bad platforms I would like to include those in
this test suite as well.



On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Symptom of Toughswitch is you installed one in the network.  Get rid of it.
>
> Use a PowerBox or Netonix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 1:18 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet
>> forwarding problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me about the
>> details of the symptoms/cause?
>>
>> I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.
>>
>> I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can validate
>> that this problem doesn't occur.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Let me phrase this differently:  I am evaluating a new switch platform that
I am skeptical of.   I want to construct a test that the toughswitch would
fail (but a properly operating switch should pass) to ensure that this
platform hasn't made a similar error.

If there are other known bad platforms I would like to include those in
this test suite as well.



On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Symptom of Toughswitch is you installed one in the network.  Get rid of it.
>
> Use a PowerBox or Netonix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 1:18 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet
>> forwarding problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me about the
>> details of the symptoms/cause?
>>
>> I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.
>>
>> I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can validate
>> that this problem doesn't occur.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Josh Luthman]

Symptom of Toughswitch is you installed one in the network.  Get rid of it.

Use a PowerBox or Netonix.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 14, 2017 1:18 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet
> forwarding problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me about the
> details of the symptoms/cause?
>
> I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.
>
> I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can validate
> that this problem doesn't occur.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Chuck McCown]

55G I hope.  Depends on what they will require for winds there and the size of 
the dish (and the height of the trees...)

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

With tower? Sounds like you'll be cutting it close.

On Aug 14, 2017 1:41 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Trying to bring in the whole system, with a 50’ tower at one end for under 
$10K.


  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

  $3,000 roughly without licensing or coordination, using their 35dBi dishes. 
That covers both radios and high and low duplexers.

  On Aug 14, 2017 1:22 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

About $6 or 7k.  600mb 
Nothing much is cheaper



On Aug 14, 2017 12:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them 
have perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
  So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.  

  I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out 
there in a similar category.  

  Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for 
everything.  I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
  I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it, 
so hoping to save some money there.  

  What is an AF11 system selling for all in?

  Any other suggestions for radio?

Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Josh Reynolds]

With tower? Sounds like you'll be cutting it close.

On Aug 14, 2017 1:41 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Trying to bring in the whole system, with a 50’ tower at one end for under
> $10K.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps
>
> $3,000 roughly without licensing or coordination, using their 35dBi
> dishes. That covers both radios and high and low duplexers.
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 1:22 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
>> About $6 or 7k.  600mb
>> Nothing much is cheaper
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2017 12:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them
>>> have perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
>>> So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.
>>>
>>> I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out
>>> there in a similar category.
>>>
>>> Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for
>>> everything.  I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
>>> I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it,
>>> so hoping to save some money there.
>>>
>>> What is an AF11 system selling for all in?
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions for radio?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Chuck McCown]

Trying to bring in the whole system, with a 50’ tower at one end for under $10K.


From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

$3,000 roughly without licensing or coordination, using their 35dBi dishes. 
That covers both radios and high and low duplexers.

On Aug 14, 2017 1:22 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

  About $6 or 7k.  600mb 
  Nothing much is cheaper



  On Aug 14, 2017 12:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them 
have perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.  

I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out 
there in a similar category.  

Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for 
everything.  I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it, so 
hoping to save some money there.  

What is an AF11 system selling for all in?

Any other suggestions for radio?

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Jay Weekley]

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
802.11ac is totally a thing now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
you think?  Unifi?



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Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
802.11ac is totally a thing now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni 
to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you 
think?  Unifi?



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Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave Repair

[David Sovereen]

18 GHz High Band Compact +

Dave

==
 MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
 David Sovereen
 989-837-3790 x 151
 2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
 http://www.mercury.net 
 

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> Which radio model? If older (Horizon duo era) SWG may have an equivalent 
> radio to sell you as they received lots of DW stock.
> 
> On Aug 14, 2017 10:22 AM, "David Sovereen"  > wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> We sent a radio to Dragonwave for repair.  They’ve come back to say it is not 
> repairable.  Here’s there message:
> —-
> 
> Please note that we have received your unit(s) with the Serial number(s) : 
> C1N14DFD0004 
> 
> We have been able to determine that we are unable to repair this/these 
> unit(s), due to water damage to internal components. The water leak occurred 
> through the inside of the connectors likely due to poor installation/handling 
> or water protection. This is not a manufacturing issue. 
> 
> Please note that at this time it will be necessary for you to buy a 
> replacement unit if you require one. 
> 
> Please advise if you would like us to return this unit to you or if you would 
> like us to dispose of it here.
> 
> Should you wish to have it disposed of at DragonWave, please indicate so via 
> an email.
> —-
> 
> Knowing that the internal components suffered water damage, does anyone here, 
> or do any vendors on this list, think they would be able to fix it, such that 
> I should pay to have them ship it back to us?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave
> 
> ==
>  MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
>  David Sovereen
>  989-837-3790 x 151 
>  2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
>  http://www.mercury.net 
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Josh Reynolds]

$3,000 roughly without licensing or coordination, using their 35dBi dishes.
That covers both radios and high and low duplexers.

On Aug 14, 2017 1:22 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> About $6 or 7k.  600mb
> Nothing much is cheaper
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 12:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them
>> have perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
>> So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.
>>
>> I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out
>> there in a similar category.
>>
>> Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for
>> everything.  I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
>> I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it,
>> so hoping to save some money there.
>>
>> What is an AF11 system selling for all in?
>>
>> Any other suggestions for radio?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Dennis Burgess]

Personally, I would do WAPs at each locatin, you can use SXTs or nanobeams, 
depending on your speed requirements, AC would be required why I love WAPs.  
CAPSMAN at the main office and you are good :) Just my suggestion.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions.  
Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each 
client access point.  I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in 
both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you think?  
Unifi?

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Jay Weekley]

11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni 
to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you 
think?  Unifi?



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Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Adam Moffett]

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to 
a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you think?  
Unifi?

Re: [AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Adair Winter]

About $6 or 7k.  600mb
Nothing much is cheaper


On Aug 14, 2017 12:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them
> have perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
> So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.
>
> I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out
> there in a similar category.
>
> Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for
> everything.  I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
> I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it,
> so hoping to save some money there.
>
> What is an AF11 system selling for all in?
>
> Any other suggestions for radio?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Layne Sisk]

Check out the Thurs and Fri portions of the agenda this year:  
http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/Programs/WP17_Agenda

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

They aren't doing that anymore.  The fiber stuff is now integrated into the 
rest of the show program.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Aug 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Layne Sisk 
> wrote:
Have you been to fiber weekend for WISPA?

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

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[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, cables, 
and what-not; which trade show should I go to?

NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave Repair

[Colin Stanners]

Which radio model? If older (Horizon duo era) SWG may have an equivalent
radio to sell you as they received lots of DW stock.

On Aug 14, 2017 10:22 AM, "David Sovereen" 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> We sent a radio to Dragonwave for repair.  They’ve come back to say it is
> not repairable.  Here’s there message:
> —-
>
> Please note that we have received your unit(s) with the Serial number(s) :
> C1N14DFD0004
>
> We have been able to determine that we are unable to repair this/these
> unit(s), due to water damage to internal components. The water leak
> occurred through the inside of the connectors likely due to poor
> installation/handling or water protection. This is not a manufacturing
> issue.
>
> Please note that at this time it will be necessary for you to buy a
> replacement unit if you require one.
>
> Please advise if you would like us to return this unit to you or if you
> would like us to dispose of it here.
>
> Should you wish to have it disposed of at DragonWave, please indicate so
> via an email.
> —-
>
> Knowing that the internal components suffered water damage, does anyone
> here, or do any vendors on this list, think they would be able to fix it,
> such that I should pay to have them ship it back to us?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> ==
>  MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
>  David Sovereen
>  989-837-3790 x 151 <(989)%20837-3790>
>  2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
>  http://www.mercury.net
>
>
>

[AFMUG] 100-500 Mbps

[Chuck McCown]

I need to extend backbone to a handful (9) of DSL remotes.  Most of them have 
perhaps 15 customers each.  This is a micro-pop type of application.
So 100-250 Mbps is probably plenty of BW for now.  

I was considering AF11 for this but there are several other radios out there in 
a similar category.  

Most of the distance average 5 miles.  Hoping to use 2’ dishes for everything.  
I think I will be doing 9 remote sites.
I think you can get one license and add locations and frequencies to it, so 
hoping to save some money there.  

What is an AF11 system selling for all in?

Any other suggestions for radio?

[AFMUG] Dragonwave Repair

[David Sovereen]

Hi guys,

We sent a radio to Dragonwave for repair.  They’ve come back to say it is not 
repairable.  Here’s there message:
—-

Please note that we have received your unit(s) with the Serial number(s) : 
C1N14DFD0004 

We have been able to determine that we are unable to repair this/these unit(s), 
due to water damage to internal components. The water leak occurred through the 
inside of the connectors likely due to poor installation/handling or water 
protection. This is not a manufacturing issue. 

Please note that at this time it will be necessary for you to buy a replacement 
unit if you require one. 

Please advise if you would like us to return this unit to you or if you would 
like us to dispose of it here.

Should you wish to have it disposed of at DragonWave, please indicate so via an 
email.
—-

Knowing that the internal components suffered water damage, does anyone here, 
or do any vendors on this list, think they would be able to fix it, such that I 
should pay to have them ship it back to us?

Thanks,

Dave

==
 MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
 David Sovereen
 989-837-3790 x 151
 2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
 http://www.mercury.net 
 

[AFMUG] Toughswitch/low cost ethernet forwarding failure reminder?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Could someone who is familiar with the problem with a the packet forwarding
problems that were seen with a toughswitch remind me about the details of
the symptoms/cause?

I also remember similar problems with certain other switches.

I am evaluating a couple of switches and want to make sure I can validate
that this problem doesn't occur.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Jason McKemie]

The AF fiber edition was very good. I was lucky enough to make it to one of
those.

On Monday, August 14, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh.well back then I wasn't in a position to go and I am now.
> You should consider my special needs and make a new trade show just for me.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 8/14/2017 11:26:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>
> Have done it before.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 9:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>
> How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
> You know you want to Chuck.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>
>
> If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters,
> cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?
>
> NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They aren't doing that anymore.  The fiber stuff is now integrated into the 
rest of the show program.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Layne Sisk  wrote:
> 
> Have you been to fiber weekend for WISPA? 
>  
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>  
> How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
> You know you want to Chuck.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>  
> If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, cables, 
> and what-not; which trade show should I go to?
>  
> NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Adam Moffett]

Oh.well back then I wasn't in a position to go and I am now.
You should consider my special needs and make a new trade show just for 
me.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 11:26:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows


Have done it before.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:23 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the 
time?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Jay Weekley]

There are lots of nice operators that may let you tour their facilities 
as well.


Adam Moffett wrote:

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?



 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Layne Sisk]

Have you been to fiber weekend for WISPA?

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, cables, 
and what-not; which trade show should I go to?

NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Chuck McCown]

Have done it before.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

  If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, cables, 
and what-not; which trade show should I go to? 

  NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Adam Moffett]

How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
You know you want to Chuck.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Adam Moffett]

Thanks for the suggestion.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 11:02:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

Never been to this trade show/conference but I imagine there will be a 
lot of fiber.


https://www.bicsi.org/fall/2017/default.aspx

Adam Moffett wrote:
If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the 
time?



 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Jay Weekley]

Never been to this trade show/conference but I imagine there will be a 
lot of fiber.


https://www.bicsi.org/fall/2017/default.aspx

Adam Moffett wrote:
If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?


 
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[AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Adam Moffett]

If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, 
cables, and what-not; which trade show should I go to?


NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?