Re: [AFMUG] something ain't right

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

so - disreguard - cambium actually got back to me before this message even 
posted to the list.
good job cambium!

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:12 PM
  Subject: something ain't right



  we just hooked up two new pmp450i (eh, they were from ebay) - but one came up 
as a 3 gig subscriber module.
  the radios both look like 900 mhz access points

  the weird radio came up as mac 0a-00-3e-45-19-89 

  i have no idea how we did not catch this before it went to the tower

  Can someone tell me how to confirm what kind of device this is?  Is there 
some kind of weird issue known that might
  cause this?

  Thank you,
  Jay Fuller
  Cyber Broadband Inc

Re: [AFMUG] 8 hours no lunch

[Jaime Solorza]

Thankslots of planning goes into these enclosures before we execute.  I
have shown you bare back board to completed non landed panel.. I will share
in the field connections ...there are videos on line to help with building
these.   I have learned allot from Vernon...I have seen him eat engineers
for lunch when it comes to control systems..

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 15, 2018 5:53 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

I like porn far more than is healthy...


On 3/14/18 1:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Tested and certifiedyay us
>
> Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Making epmp connect faster/ site survey

[Steve Jones]

Im going to be asking alot of installer questions for a while btw, these
nitwits werent bothering to learn the gear.

Epmp, is it just slow? I set a low minimum snr, 4, low minimum rssi, 90. I
pare the scan list sometimes clear down to one channel.

I use monitor wireless til in connects, then tools,, align.

But monitor wireless sits on scanning forever, so questionable shots or
foggy days its a pita. Ive gotten to where i bring up google earth, put a
pin where im testing from on the property and draw lines to any potential
access point so i have landmarks but its just slow.

Is there something im missing here?

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 8 hours no lunch

[Jaime Solorza]

Yo o mi trabajo? No soy chico facile

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 6:46 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> que lindo !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:37:55 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: 8 hours no lunch
>
> test
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jaime Solorza 
> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 5:23 PM
> Subject: 8 hours no lunch
> To: Animal Farm 
>
>
> Tested and certifiedyay us
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 320 SM Power Supply

[George Skorup]

The 320 CPE is Gemtek OEM. It's 802.3af. It's only the 320 and 430 APs 
that were the stupid split-pair power scheme, passive 48VDC only.


On 3/15/2018 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

i don't think it's in compliance with those standards.

i believe it uses the same power scheme as the PMP430 AP which is 
48Vdc split pair.


here's a link to the cambium support site that has all the manuals and 
spec sheets: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp320/


-sean



On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Justin Marshall > wrote:


Hi,

Does anyone know which POE standard the 320 SM is in compliance
with? 802.3af/ad/at/etc?

Thanks,

Justin

Re: [AFMUG] The things in Slack...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

ok, i posted this like 2 pm yesterday

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The things in Slack...



  i'd select young hot college townsmaybefor 1000 alex? lol

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] The things in Slack...


Someone posted a link to this, "https://www.thewisp.com/pages/bjs";

The page header is, "WISP Training Video for BJ's".


Apparently I haven't been installing in the right neighborhoods. 




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Expenses

[Mathew Howard]

I like the way you think... he did ask for creative options, after all!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 7:42 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I guess it depends on who does the surgery.
>
> If you can get your local plumber or car mechanic to do it, then I am sure
> you can expense it !
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:52:43 PM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Expenses
>
> > So I got to thinking about something today.
> >
> > Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense.
> >
> > What about a surgery?  Being the principle owner of a small shop I have
> to be
> > able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of something) the
> business
> > won’t run - is there a way to expense that?
> >
> > Just like I can expense PPE, or switches?
> >
> > Or a health savings account?  What creative options do I have?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Expenses

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes. But after it had healed from an off the job injury. 

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 21:02, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> Did you hurt it on the job?
> 
> Keefe
> 
> 
>> On 3/14/2018 4:52 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> So I got to thinking about something today.
>> 
>> Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense.
>> 
>> What about a surgery?  Being the principle owner of a small shop I have to 
>> be able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of something) the 
>> business won’t run - is there a way to expense that?
>> 
>> Just like I can expense PPE, or switches?
>> 
>> Or a health savings account?  What creative options do I have?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Expenses

[Matt Hoppes]

Actually. I’m looking at having a fellow down by you do it :). Maybe I’ll stop 
in and say hi during recovery. 

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 20:42, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> I guess it depends on who does the surgery.
> 
> If you can get your local plumber or car mechanic to do it, then I am sure 
> you can expense it ! 
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:52:43 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Expenses
> 
>> So I got to thinking about something today.
>> 
>> Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense.
>> 
>> What about a surgery?  Being the principle owner of a small shop I have to be
>> able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of something) the 
>> business
>> won’t run - is there a way to expense that?
>> 
>> Just like I can expense PPE, or switches?
>> 
>> Or a health savings account?  What creative options do I have?

[AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R0 chip not supported!

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Hi All,

I’ve never seen this before…but it looks like I have a broken AP…any way to fix 
without a climb??

450 AP 2.4Ghz

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Expenses

[Travis Johnson]

Ask your accountant. Every state has different laws, etc.

Personal medical expenses can be deducted from your personal taxes if 
they are over a certain amount. Pay yourself dividends or draws from the 
company to cover the expense, and then write it off on your personal return.


Travis


On 3/15/2018 6:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If you are self insured you can expense medical expenses.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Expenses

So I got to thinking about something today.

Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense.

What about a surgery?  Being the principle owner of a small shop I 
have to be able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of 
something) the business won’t run - is there a way to expense that?


Just like I can expense PPE, or switches?

Or a health savings account?  What creative options do I have?

Re: [AFMUG] Down tilt for 450i

[Philip Rankin]

Depends on haat.




On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900
> MHz 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to
> 7 miles away? It has zero electrical down tilt
>
-- 
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Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] Expenses

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, that may be, but the medical advice here is excellent... as long as
you know a good plumber...

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Tax advice from a mailing list is worth every penny you paid for it.   If
> you want to get creative with the tax code, hire a tax accountant.   Just
> remember that when the IRS comes calling, it’s not the accountant that ends
> up paying.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > So I got to thinking about something today.
> >
> > Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense.
> >
> > What about a surgery?  Being the principle owner of a small shop I have
> to be able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of something)
> the business won’t run - is there a way to expense that?
> >
> > Just like I can expense PPE, or switches?
> >
> > Or a health savings account?  What creative options do I have?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Mathew Howard]

As I see it, the only time it might be a problem, is if I'm using a field
laptop that lives in the truck and doesn't get updated very often... but as
long as the basic functions work with old browsers, it really shouldn't be
a big deal.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:38 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Don't worry about the 5-10% of people running old browsers. It's easy to
> tell customers to use a modern browser to gain full functionality. It's
> easy and free to upgrade browsers.
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit of a survey here
>>
>> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
>> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
>> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>>
>> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various
>> tools out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers
>> on the internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the
>> browsers gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With
>> autoupdates being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent
>> auto-updating web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about
>> 'the rest'.
>>
>> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
>> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
>> if I could get away without it.
>>
>> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
>> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
>> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
>> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
>> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
>> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Down tilt for 450i

[Colin Stanners]

Are you setting up all of your 900mhz 450I to be dual-pol instead of
dual-slant? That simplifies procuring antennas but is not to Cambium
standard. It depends how flat the ground around you is, but at that
distance the downtilt will usually be zero.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900 MHz
> 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to 7 miles
> away? It has zero electrical down tilt
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Down tilt for 450i

[Sean Heskett]

Most likely zero...but here’s how we do it.

Hang the AP and aim it where you think it should be aimed and leave the
doentilt at zero (unless you have a huge height difference like a 1000’
feet or more) then Install 2-4 SMs, or have your installers hang out with
an SM connected to the AP scattered around where you think you want
coverage, then move the AP to get the best signal at those SMs.

You can use all the calculators you want but this method works every time.
We have to do this because typically our tower is on top of a mountain and
there is a 3000’+ height difference between AP and SM.

-2cents

-sean


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:45 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900
> MHz 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to
> 7 miles away? It has zero electrical down tilt
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Re: [AFMUG] Cross posting

[justsumname .]

testing 1 2 3

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[AFMUG] Mimosa confirms the USA is weird

[Eric Kuhnke]

So... I'm Canadian and mix metric and us units all the time. But isn't it
weird to have a combination of metric and US in one piece of hardware?

http://backhaul.help.mimosa.co/backhaul-install-b24-installation-mounting-alignment

10mm *and *a 5/16"?

This will drive Europeans nuts.

At least with a radiowaves 1' or 2' dish you know it is all SAE and to
forget the metric tools...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Down tilt for 450i

[David M]

+1 billion on that.



On 3/15/2018 11:33 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

I’d put it into LinkPlanner.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Mar 14, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

Actually, we'll probably only want to cover 5 miles at most.

Jay Weekley wrote:

We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900
MHz 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to
7 miles away? It has zero electrical down tilt
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Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, that would be perfect.  Actually what I want to use is a java applet
for part of the interface and webassembly for part.   I think that all
browsers stopped supporting java applets before they added webassembly.
 So you'll have to install both an ancient browser from around 2015 and a
modern browser in the last year to fully use the interface.

In relation to the more serious question about Edge, yep, as of version 16
(released in October of last year)...

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We have to maintain so many versions of web browsers ro access all the
> gear we touch, i dont think its a big deal. Edge has turned out to be a
> good browser so far. Is this included?
>
> Know what you should do is make it require a new browser but toss in some
> really old java stuff. Everybody loves dicking with java security.
>
> On Mar 14, 2018 6:49 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit of a survey here
>>
>> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
>> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
>> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>>
>> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various
>> tools out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers
>> on the internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the
>> browsers gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With
>> autoupdates being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent
>> auto-updating web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about
>> 'the rest'.
>>
>> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
>> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
>> if I could get away without it.
>>
>> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
>> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
>> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
>> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
>> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
>> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Down tilt for 450i

[Mathew Howard]

I'd tip it down a few degrees and call it a day... just like I do with any
other sector.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> I’d put it into LinkPlanner.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> > On Mar 14, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, we'll probably only want to cover 5 miles at most.
> >
> > Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900
> >> MHz 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to
> >> 7 miles away? It has zero electrical down tilt
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Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[chuck]

As long as netscape still works I am good.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

Use modern technologies.  Your customer base is tech savvy enough and should 
not be using old browsers and if they are then too bad.

2 cents

-sean


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:49 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  A bit of a survey here 

  A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be much 
easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively new web 
browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.

  One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various tools 
out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers on the 
internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the browsers gained 
support for this feature early to mid last year.   With autoupdates being the 
rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent auto-updating web browser 
should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about 'the rest'.

  Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of complexity 
(specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do if I could get 
away without it. 

  To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products won't 
require these functions.  A specific example of something that might require 
this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at various 
technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of webassembly code 
in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other than editing a 
script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.

  Thoughts?

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com