Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...

2014-12-24 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Is that blue and white truck int he background and old Scout?

On Dec 24, 2014 6:50 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hahahaha, I didn’t see that.  I’m going over there this morning.  I’ll
 find out.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Vander
 Dussen via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:21 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...



 What the heck is this?  Is that some type of foot claw animal thing that
 has been ripped from its body?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 18:59
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...



 Try working on it on the ground





 Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5



Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

2014-12-19 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Or they outsourced to name your disgruntled anti-corp, anti-capitalist
hacker group out there.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   By one pipe in, I think that means N. Korea relies on China for its
 connection to the Internet.  But that doesn’t mean the whole country has
 one T1 line to the Internet.  The average person may not have high speed
 Internet, but the military probably does, including its computer school and
 large cyberwarfare unit.

 Also there are reports N. Korea has “cyberwarriors” in other countries at
 its beck and call, kind of like sleeper cells.  Also that this was a
 practice run for attacks against S. Korean and US infrastructure like power
 plants.


 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/19/us-sony-cybersecurity-northkorea-idUSKBN0JX0JW20141219



  *From:* Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 1:09 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

  Interesting theory.� But...

 I feel that internet access in NK is so poor, that it almost defies logic
 that someone from inside NK actually pulled this off.� I heard one
 white-hat guy saying there is only one pipe in; and it's not that big of a
 pipe to begin with.

 I think there is probably someone on the inside of Sony (who may have
 some sort of Korean ties) that was offended by the movie, and did something
 on the down-low to enable Korean buddies to perpetrate this hack.

 I'm also offended that the media is making this some kind of US government
 issue.� The government was not a target of this hack; Sony was.� In
 case anyone didn't notice, I think that Sony is still a Japanese company.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/19/2014 10:28 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:

 Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
 that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the
 gov't and the media industry before.� What if Sony is developing a
 new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.� What
 better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not
 anger theater owners.� 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way,
 because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'� And
 then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea
 who 'Forced them to have to do it this way'� They get to try something
 new without having ANYONE upset with them.� Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.

 Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel'
 as part of the perks?


 On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

  True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to
 want to take on that sort of liability.
 �
  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

  If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
 mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
 hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
 Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data,
 imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a
 9mm, thats alot of liability.

 A leak of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
 suits


 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten
 that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
 �
  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

  How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though?
 Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...

 On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
 credible threat to act like this.

 Tushar


 On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 http://UrlBlockedError.aspx wrote:

  On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
 capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview.� Isn't that
 tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?

 On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com
 http://UrlBlockedError.aspx wrote:

 I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
 sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
 it).� The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
 Wifi connection in china somewhere.� How were they able to transfer 

Re: [AFMUG] Occupational hazard

2014-12-15 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Yeah, you break the wrong one and the whole thing goes out!

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Ha that's great. Now add snow and ice to that and we would probably wait
 to install until spring when lights and ice are off.

 On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 ...like walking in a minefield.  It's like I'm doing an install for the
 Griswalds.




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 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
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 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi



Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-08 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
In TX they have to have a specific sign with specific wording otherwise it
is invalid, although a business is treated much like a home. If they post a
no weapons sign, it is probably in your best interest to either not carry
inside or not patronize the business.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states,
 they serve no legal purpose.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *James Howard via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

 I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea
 typically.  I just had a conversation with the night manager at the local
 grocery store when I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there
 more than I do) and they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store”
 on the doors.  I told him they’re basically announcing to criminals that
 there won’t be anyone in their store with a weapon to defend against a
 robbery, plus they make themselves liable for my safety by not allowing me
 to protect myself.  Anyway, his response was that if they’re robbed they’re
 supposed to hit the panic button and give the robbers anything they want.
 I asked him what they do if the robber decides to start shooting people.
 He says “wait for the police”.  Nice…..



 I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines.  The fact that this
 police chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a
 gun, not doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with.



 Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David
 Clarke.  He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this
 guy said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun
 control.  He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t
 answer to or speak for the people.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via
 Af
 *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available



 If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in
 Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome*
 btw). You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.

 That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for
 trouble. It gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element
 of surprise. It also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to
 commit a crime.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

 It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a
 reason for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a
 different thing.



 Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.
 Deer rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different
 thing...



 And so on.

 50 shades of gray.

 No bright lines in my opinion.



 *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available



 There is a very prominent come and take them sticker on the back of my
 jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker.

 I don't think I'd like that guy.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

 So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.
 Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open
 carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of
 legal age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as
 well but this shows his regard for the law IMO.



 My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the
 streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and
 then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible
 to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can
 bother them.







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *James Howard via Af
 *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available



 We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to
 look up who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the
 police union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being
 backed by Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO).  Oh…. He’s the
 one that was on his cell phone during a meeting.  I didn’t realize that was
 in Milwaukee.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *That One 

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular router

2014-12-05 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
What repeater did you use?

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Inside control room best we got was -83dBm and no LTEinstalled
 outdoors and got -54dBm and LTE...

 Jaime Solorza



Re: [AFMUG] OT Uno mas pregunta

2014-12-01 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Was going to say the same thing Ken. I lived in Argentina for a while too.
I made the mistake of asking someone if they spoke spanish and got a
lecture. But yes the ll is like zsa most famously in the parillas that
everyone wants to take you to.

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Exactly!

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

I only spent dos años en la Argentina and that was a long time ago
 (1965-1967), but when I see “lluvia” I still pronounce it like “usual” or
 “Zsa Zsa Gabor”.


  *From:* Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Uno mas pregunta

  Example: Lluvia

 Eeuveea

 Or

 Juveea

 (Ju like junior)

 In PR we go by Ju



 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Nov 29, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

That is the way I am taking it.
 I  have always said eah ves  (that is a bit exaggerated).  yaw   Like an
 airplane turning without banking.

  *From:* Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:25 PM
 *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Uno mas pregunta

  I'm thinking Y as in Young and Yes.. Like a long E sound. Do I have this
 wrong?

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Nov 29, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Well we would say it more like yaves.  Ya like c'ya and ves like vest

 Jaime Solorza
 On Nov 29, 2014 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  More like J sound


 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So, llaves.

 The double L.

 English J sound or English Y sound?

 We  have a thanksgiving family argument going about  this.




Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up

2014-11-14 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Of course all those things were 50 to almost 100 years ago. NASA is pretty
much a joke these days using old faulty Russian boosters, and we are firing
the best and brightest in our military. I doubt we could go to the moon or
win a global conflict these days. Sad really.
On Nov 13, 2014 7:05 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  USA: WWI  WWII Back-To-Back Champs

  On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

 WWII came out better than most people expected.

 bp
 part-15@SkylineBroadbandService

 On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 What hasn't the government fucked up?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will
 Fuck the Internet Up

 considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand:


 https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+randie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=sbgfe_rd=crei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA



 Juvenile philosophy.

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com






 --
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com




Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was
designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application
needing web based control for relays and such. There are a couple models
with different numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web server for
controlling it all, and they have an API so you could write your own. I
wrote an andoid app called Brew Mate on the android market so I can use my
phone with it. It might be worth looking at before re-inventing the wheel.

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller
 that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a comm
 building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor the
 temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock. The
 products are all lined out for controlling each of those but we need a
 controller that can deal with the IO and be able to be run from a webpage.

 My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience
 with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The
 basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and analog
 IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server backend.

 -Ty



Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail

2014-10-27 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
No thanks, we've already got one.



On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What is the latency of an unladen swallow?

 -Ty

 On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 What do you mean? African or European?

 Jaime Solorza
 On Oct 26, 2014 1:19 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I would agree that, at the moment, OFDM techniques dominate the
 discussion...

 On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Yeahbut, it appears QAM has won?  Yes?
 LTE doesn’t  have much in common with CDMA anymore.

  *From:* Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:43 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail

  Actually...CDMA techniques (PN modulation) re-channel a band based on
 time rather than frequency. In a multi point environment, this allows
 multiple people to share a frequency bandwidth in a not terribly
 inefficient way when all of the simultaneous communication paths are
 considered.

 On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Yeah, isochronous pseudorandom noise mod/demod techniques will pull
 info from sewer.  I think  the deep  space network uses some of those
 techniques.  But PN modulation does not help throughput.  It wastes
 bandwidth.

 Speed/interference immunity/narrow channels – pick one.

  *From:* Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:27 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail

   The holy grail would be the ability to modulate a signal and
 receive it correctly in the face of withering interference.

 The GPS system accomplishes that through the technique of encoding the
 data within pseudo noise.  The only problem being that GPS data is
 relatively static compared to what we deal with.


 bp

 On 10/25/2014 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

  I think folks without deep experience in either 1) operating a WISP
 or 2)without deep experience in electrodynamics and modulation (99.999% of
 the general population) somehow think that Moore’s Law applies to
 wireless.

 The only way to scale this this stuff in a way approximating Moore’s
 Law is to just keep adding cell/ap sites.

 I read a book back in 1990 that outlined this problem for the nascent
 cell phone industry.  The book is still spot on.

   *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 11:41 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail


 Or looky, looky, AC PTMP MU-MIMO.  Imagine what that would do for
 White Space.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
 *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:22 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail



 Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can
 see the elephant.. OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!!



 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far
 from 2005 with wireless.



 Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios.

 But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more
 signal to noise requirements.



 But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new
 features to their fullest in a radio dense environment.



 When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized
 I had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a
 half mile range.



 This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work.



 The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors.



 I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density
 wireless provider domains.

 They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this
 competitively.







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 via Af
 *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail



 Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch...

 Jaime Solorza

 On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, Jayson Baker via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Anyone else get this email?



 Anyone know what it is?





 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do 
 not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925









Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment

2014-10-24 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Maybe, but of course this was between 11 and 5 years ago.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Hass, Douglas A. via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:



  Cameron--When you owned your WISP, you dodged a bullet.  Your installers
 were quite likely employees, not contractors.  J



 Quick note for everyone on this list: if you have ANYONE that you’re
 paying on a contract basis to do work for your business (cash, 1099, etc.)
 and NOT as an employee, hit me up off list.  You’re quite likely betting
 your company’s future existence on it.  Some rolls of the dice come out
 o.k., as with Cameron’s situation.  Many times they don’t.  If you get a
 claim, you could lose your WISP.  Wage and hour mistakes are that serious.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum via
 Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment



 When I owned a wisp my installers were contractors so I made them bring
 their own tools. I figured they'd take better care if them. Then, while
 changing a radio on a customers house I found a Dewalt cordless drill on
 top of the chimney.  I asked the owner if it was his, and he said no. I
 asked my installer the next day. Turns out he left it there almost a year
 earlier. Go figure.

 On Oct 23, 2014 10:14 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I lost a ladder (pretty sure i left it behind a house after a loong full
 day install) I replaced it, had I not, I would have expected my employer to
 fire me.



 I fried a 500 dollar switch because I pulled an old radio off a tower but
 never disconnected the POE, it shorted out. I offered to pay but the boss
 wrote it off, I didnt turn in the equivalent amount of overtime to offset
 the cost. I was not happy I wasnt held accountable.



 I lost a surveillance camera, so I had them order a replacement and deduct
 it from my pay, after it arrived, I found the first one on the shelf in the
 van where I looked three times, I now have a camera, I should have been
 fired at this point, three substantial items in under 5 years.



 I had a #10 wrench slide off a roof into the snow never to be seen again,
 I didnt like that wrench anyway so i went to the hardware store and bough a
 ratchet wrench on the bosses dime.



 There is expected loss, the occasional hand tool, broken drill bits, zip
 ties, etc. but pretty much anything over 50 bucks, unless its a pretty
 valid reason should be the employees responsibility. You owners pay us to
 do a job, as with any job the things you provide cost you real money, youre
 not paying us to spend that money needlessly, when we waste your money we
 are accountable for the consequences, either financial or job applications.
 Not holding us accountable creates a dangerous dynamic in a workplace. You
 let us slide on a 300 dollar ladder, how careful will we be with a 2500
 dollar trencher or 5k radio?





 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Well I extremely appreciate the specific FLSA laws on this matter and the
 creative ways of dealing with the solution (for those employees who are not
 our brothers).  Thanks Josh and Travis.



 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I'm not going to screw him over or anything. He offered to pay for the
 ladder on his own, just the way we were raised.

 You break it, you bought it.





  - Original Message -

 *From:* Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:51 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment



 He said it was his brother right ?  Who cares!  Your brother is your
 blood.  Sh!t happens

 Sent from my iPhone


 On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Federal labor law says you can't hold employees financial responsible
 for broken/lost tools. (from my understanding)

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

 On 10/23/2014 04:22 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:

  How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment?

 This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out of
 the truck, no where to be found.

 He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how
 everyone else handles this.

 I've never run into it yet.

 �









 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


  *Douglas A. Hass*
 Associate
 312.786.6502
 d...@franczek.com

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 http://www.franczek.com/20thAnniversary/*

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Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS

2014-10-24 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Wispmon Qualify Pro does this as well. It's what it was made for. However,
the clutter data in any of these are only categories, and not very good
ones at that. It seems they've all standardized on the small subset of
categories used in RM. There are much more detailed clutter databases with
hundreds of categories in them, but they are not used in this industry
mostly due to cost and it's just not what people are used to.  It is up
to the end user to define the elevation per category. Obviously, this
would be an average height of trees, etc, in those categories. There is no
clutter height database as it would need to change so often it would not be
practical. Qualify Pro allows you to move your mouse along the profile and
shows the same position on the map, so that you can see from an aerial or
sat view, exactly what it is causing the obstruction. IF you know your
area, you can probably be within about 85% certainty of the potential for
obstruction using this method.

All of these tools, Qualify Pro, Heywhatsthat, RM, google earth,
towercoverage, etc. are great for making an educated guess, but if there is
any doubt, you should go check it out yourself before making a large
investment in equipment.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I got called out to a longtime customer location yesterday, a huge pole
 building was going up right in the path.  Funny thing, I look on Google
 Earth today and the new building still isn’t there.

 Until recently there were whole windfarms missing from Google Earth
 because the imagery was 6-8 years old, some of it was black  white.  Most
 of our area is May 2013 now.  I’ve had people plant new trees that get to
 be 35-40 feet tall that won’t show up in clutter data or Google Earth.

 Trust but verify.


  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 7:31 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS

  There are a million places to do LOS and even LOS with clutter, but none
 of them will tell you if the clutter is actually accurate.

 I haven't found anything that beats Radio Mobile with Google Earth to see
 if there's anything that *might* be in the way when it gets near 0.7
 fresnel. Path it out in RM, export to GE. Use RM to find where the fresnel
 gets close, then use GE to see if there's trees or whatever there.



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
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 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *From: *Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:20:20 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS

 Why doesn't everyone know about heywhatsthat.com? Their Path Profiler
 tool is used everyday in our office and I use the Panorama tool for quick
 and easy viewsheds. Great stuff and free.

 -Ty
 On Oct 23, 2014 6:21 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I use Terrain Navigator Pro.

 It isn't perfect, but it is pretty good. The elevation data around here
 is close, but not perfect. Places where there aren't people aren't terribly
 accurate, but it uses USGS elevation data, has the option for a line of
 sight, options to change the elevation above ground level at each point.

 The newer versions account for curvature of the Earth, but I'm using an
 antiquated version on XP.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:21 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS


 Path profile software with clutter data, and bear in mind that ‘I can see
 it’ and ‘RF Line-Of-Sight’ are two very separate things.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS



 Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with
 a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a
 mirror or laser?





Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment

2014-10-23 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
When I owned a wisp my installers were contractors so I made them bring
their own tools. I figured they'd take better care if them. Then, while
changing a radio on a customers house I found a Dewalt cordless drill on
top of the chimney.  I asked the owner if it was his, and he said no. I
asked my installer the next day. Turns out he left it there almost a year
earlier. Go figure.
On Oct 23, 2014 10:14 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I lost a ladder (pretty sure i left it behind a house after a loong full
 day install) I replaced it, had I not, I would have expected my employer to
 fire me.

 I fried a 500 dollar switch because I pulled an old radio off a tower but
 never disconnected the POE, it shorted out. I offered to pay but the boss
 wrote it off, I didnt turn in the equivalent amount of overtime to offset
 the cost. I was not happy I wasnt held accountable.

 I lost a surveillance camera, so I had them order a replacement and deduct
 it from my pay, after it arrived, I found the first one on the shelf in the
 van where I looked three times, I now have a camera, I should have been
 fired at this point, three substantial items in under 5 years.

 I had a #10 wrench slide off a roof into the snow never to be seen again,
 I didnt like that wrench anyway so i went to the hardware store and bough a
 ratchet wrench on the bosses dime.

 There is expected loss, the occasional hand tool, broken drill bits, zip
 ties, etc. but pretty much anything over 50 bucks, unless its a pretty
 valid reason should be the employees responsibility. You owners pay us to
 do a job, as with any job the things you provide cost you real money, youre
 not paying us to spend that money needlessly, when we waste your money we
 are accountable for the consequences, either financial or job applications.
 Not holding us accountable creates a dangerous dynamic in a workplace. You
 let us slide on a 300 dollar ladder, how careful will we be with a 2500
 dollar trencher or 5k radio?


 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Well I extremely appreciate the specific FLSA laws on this matter and the
 creative ways of dealing with the solution (for those employees who are not
 our brothers).  Thanks Josh and Travis.

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I'm not going to screw him over or anything. He offered to pay for the
 ladder on his own, just the way we were raised.

 You break it, you bought it.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment

 He said it was his brother right ?  Who cares!  Your brother is your
 blood.  Sh!t happens

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Federal labor law says you can't hold employees financial responsible
 for broken/lost tools. (from my understanding)

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
 On 10/23/2014 04:22 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:

 How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment?

 This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out
 of the truck, no where to be found.

 He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how
 everyone else handles this.

 I've never run into it yet.
 �






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 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really

2014-10-22 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Those are the special kind of hose clamps. Kind of like your arm
holding down the mattress on top of the car while driving down the road.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6aG-IJ2SA

 Watch closely when AF5 attached to railing...crossed hose clamps.
 Guess they have no strong winds other that what I hear on the video.

 Chuck's mounts would work great here

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390



Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime

2014-10-09 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Ken,

Careful when talking about Cubanos...I had a very interesting experience
with that word while living in Buenos Aires. In the all to common traffic
jams, guys will walk between the cars selling Cubanos. They are like
waffle cones rolled up with dolce de leche inside. One day I was was in a
truck with two Argentines and two Mexican guys and decided to try some
Cubanos. I honestly can't remember the Argentine word for the filling,
but whatever they called it, the mexican guys did not understand.  So, the
Mexican guys took a bite and after exclaiming ahh, es cajeta, The
Argnetine guys'  heads whipped around, eyes wide open glancing down at
their cubano wondering why theirs did not have this same filling. So now
that everyone in the car was thoroughly confused, I had to ask what all the
confusion was about. It turns out that in Argentina, cajeta is a rather
lude term refering toe the taste of a womabetter not go there. Anyway,
it was really fun getting to know the difference between the two dialects.
Just shows, you have to be careful...might end up insulting someone. ;)

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I also walk every evening as religiously as I can and hike on weekends.
 I want to see my 11 (1 in oven) grandkids graduate college.
 When I can't climb anymore, I want to teach history.

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard,
 otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds.  I would say he doesn’t dare retire,
 but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”.  My doctor
 tells me to look at the ensalada menu.

  *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime

   Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez...

  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime

  ummh Vitortas  best Tortas in the world!!  Sorry compadres Gino,
 Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I
 have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!!   Shredded beef, mayo, cheese
 (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese...,
 or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five
 bucks u can gave two and a drink!!!

 Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the
 bread,   Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos.   damn ...i am
 hungry now.

  Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   emparedado

 New word for me.  I always have used sándwich.

 Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?







Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver

2014-10-07 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Probably didn't sign the nda about the nda.



On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Spoke with engineer from Syscom that they have been trying to get units
 for testing in lab with traffic generators and intentional interference. No
 luck.  Syscom sells thousands of Ubiquiti and Cambium radios a month.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Oct 7, 2014 8:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive.

 So seems like another marketing driven company.










Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl

2014-10-01 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
Can it be disabled?

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Apparently Miktotik employs something called ARP poisoning as a default.
 Just letting anyone know that might run into this.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:29 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl



 We are on the inside with our laptops on static IP addresses.  It kills
 the laptop from talking to the AP directly.  Just trying to figure out how
 that’s happening.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:38 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl



 I believe you will have to manipulate the firewall and walled garden



 On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 When we turn on the hotspot, AirControl goes offline and all the APs are
 on a different subnet.  We can’t even log into the APs.  Haven’t checked
 with WireShark yet but just wondering if this is simply a setting or some
 function of the software?



 Rory Conaway
 Triad Wireless
 4226 S. 37th Street
 Phoenix, Az.  85040
 602-426-0542
 r...@triadwireless.net
 www.triadwireless.net







Re: [AFMUG] OT: FCC GPS format

2014-09-17 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
If you remove the dashes they will recognize it.

Cameron

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Any idea who we should talk to at Google to get them to recognize the
 FCC-formatted GPS coordinates for Google maps searches? Example:
 38-05-59.8 N , 113-00-51.7 W

 Of course we could ask the FCC to change to a more accepted format, but I
 think the other way may be easier.


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