Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Trey Scarborough]

Probably will work with cat3

On 8/2/2016 9:38 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Belden 1588A.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable
and only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?




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Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

I have hundreds to do, but they are temporary.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

If this is a one-off project, why not just measure what you need and go to a 
home store that carries indoor/outdoor telephone cable by the foot?  Even if it 
was ancient quad wire (I hope they don’t still sell that), it shouldn’t matter 
if the only other thing in that conduit is fiber, since there should be no AC 
induction or crosstalk.  But you should be able to get 2 or 3 pair telephone 
wire that is at least Cat3 or maybe Cat5, and smaller diameter than typical 
Cat5 4 pair UTP.

I always assume conduit will fill with water, in which case I want filled cable 
with a nick resistant jacket, but it sounds like you just want a temporary 
solution (and maybe then a wire for locating the fiber in the future).


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Outdoors in conduit.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Does it need to be OSP, or is this indoors? Maybe cross-connect cable without a 
jacket (like this: 
http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Cat3-Telephone-Wire-Cable/XCONNECT1PRBL?gclid=CPyorOr-os4CFZFufgodrl0F2Q)?


bp


On 8/2/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

  From: Justin Wilson 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

  Sounds like you need cat-3? 

  If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very 
small patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


  Justin Wilson
  j...@mtin.net

  ---
  http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and 
only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Ken Hohhof]

If this is a one-off project, why not just measure what you need and go to a 
home store that carries indoor/outdoor telephone cable by the foot?  Even if it 
was ancient quad wire (I hope they don’t still sell that), it shouldn’t matter 
if the only other thing in that conduit is fiber, since there should be no AC 
induction or crosstalk.  But you should be able to get 2 or 3 pair telephone 
wire that is at least Cat3 or maybe Cat5, and smaller diameter than typical 
Cat5 4 pair UTP.

I always assume conduit will fill with water, in which case I want filled cable 
with a nick resistant jacket, but it sounds like you just want a temporary 
solution (and maybe then a wire for locating the fiber in the future).


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Outdoors in conduit.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Does it need to be OSP, or is this indoors? Maybe cross-connect cable without a 
jacket (like this: 
http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Cat3-Telephone-Wire-Cable/XCONNECT1PRBL?gclid=CPyorOr-os4CFZFufgodrl0F2Q)?


bp


On 8/2/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

  From: Justin Wilson 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

  Sounds like you need cat-3? 

  If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very 
small patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


  Justin Wilson
  j...@mtin.net

  ---
  http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and 
only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

Outdoors in conduit.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Does it need to be OSP, or is this indoors? Maybe cross-connect cable without a 
jacket (like this: 
http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Cat3-Telephone-Wire-Cable/XCONNECT1PRBL?gclid=CPyorOr-os4CFZFufgodrl0F2Q)?


bp


On 8/2/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

  From: Justin Wilson 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

  Sounds like you need cat-3? 

  If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very 
small patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


  Justin Wilson
  j...@mtin.net

  ---
  http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and 
only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, it is replacing a drop from a handhole to a house.  Using the old drop to 
pull in a fiber and something copper to keep the POTS line going until we can 
cut in the fiber.  Jumper wire would probably work.  No shield.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

If you only need 1 pair and it doesn’t have to be jacketed, most electrical 
supply places like Graybar have CO crossconnect wire in Cat3.  You can also get 
Cat5 like this:
https://www.siemon.com/e-catalog/ECAT_GI_page.aspx?GI_ID=mpc_category-5e-cross-connect-wire

When I used to do a lot of work in MTUs, I never had to buy crossconnect wire, 
the AT&T techs would leave spools behind in the phone closets and they would 
sometimes mysteriously disappear.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

From: Justin Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Sounds like you need cat-3? 

If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very small 
patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Bill Prince]

Does it need to be OSP, or is this indoors? Maybe cross-connect cable 
without a jacket (like this: 
http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Cat3-Telephone-Wire-Cable/XCONNECT1PRBL?gclid=CPyorOr-os4CFZFufgodrl0F2Q)?


bp


On 8/2/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even 
jumper wire.

*From:* Justin Wilson <mailto:li...@mtin.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5
Sounds like you need cat-3?
If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make 
very small patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable 
and only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Ken Hohhof]

If you only need 1 pair and it doesn’t have to be jacketed, most electrical 
supply places like Graybar have CO crossconnect wire in Cat3.  You can also get 
Cat5 like this:
https://www.siemon.com/e-catalog/ECAT_GI_page.aspx?GI_ID=mpc_category-5e-cross-connect-wire

When I used to do a lot of work in MTUs, I never had to buy crossconnect wire, 
the AT&T techs would leave spools behind in the phone closets and they would 
sometimes mysteriously disappear.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

From: Justin Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Sounds like you need cat-3? 

If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very small 
patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I am thinking perhaps cat3.  It will have DSL on it.  Maybe even jumper 
wire.  

From: Justin Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Sounds like you need cat-3? 

If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very small 
patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Justin Wilson]

Sounds like you need cat-3?

If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very small 
patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
> 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks, that ought to work, but not much in cost savings.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:38 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

Belden 1588A.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Belden 1588A.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and
> only 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

[AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Chuck McCown]

I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?