Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
1.8 miles is a little long. Depends on your rain zone but you would likely need 2’ antennas and the F or FX model to get 4 9s. T and TL are half duplex. F and FX are full. 600T is a short range half duplex version. Link calc: http://www.siklu.com/tools/EtherHaul_LBC/ On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any idea > the difference between the 5 different model variations? > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote: > Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and > they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up in the > 80GHz stuff soon. > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: > > > Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I recently > > installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and therefore a > > bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my experience. > > > > Matthew Jenkins > > SmarterBroadband > > m...@sbbinc.net > > 530.272.4000 > > > > On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm > >> assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? > >> > >> TJ > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Not exactly. Given one endpoint, the link directly next to it has
anazimuth ~30ft down at the same distance. Yes, FD.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/14/2014 01:30 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions.
Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200
MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation?
On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set of freqs, then on
"link 2" you swap the TX/RX freqs.
We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24
GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp
between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed
off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site.
On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
1 Gig both ways?
You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik
router to bond the connections.
This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about
1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate
airfiber 24's can you?
TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions. Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200 MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation? On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" wrote: > That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set of freqs, then on "link > 2" you swap the TX/RX freqs. > > We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com > On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: > > No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz > bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the > same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 > degrees at another third site. > On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" wrote: > >> 1 Gig both ways? >> >> >> >> You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond >> the connections. >> >> >> >> This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af >> *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? >> >> >> >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm >> assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? >> >> >> >> TJ >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
We have about 5 feet of horizontal separation on a flat roof. Data rates
are max, ~3 mile shot.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/14/2014 12:25 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:
Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to
make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx
interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction?
Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000
On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set of freqs, then on
"link 2" you swap the TX/RX freqs.
We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24
GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp
between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed
off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site.
On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
1 Gig both ways?
You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router
to bond the connections.
This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1
mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber
24's can you?
TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set of freqs, then on "link 2" you swap the TX/RX freqs. We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set of freqs, then on "link
2" you swap the TX/RX freqs.
We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz
bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between
the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at
least 10 degrees at another third site.
On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
1 Gig both ways?
You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router
to bond the connections.
This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1
mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber
24's can you?
TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
SAF integra 2+0 link in 18 or 23ghz will do 948mbps aggregate without compression. Compression can get you to 1gbps with the right kind of data. We just installed the first two 2+0 integra links in the world last week and they are running great! 2 cents Sean On Monday, October 13, 2014, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm > assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? > > TJ > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
You can use the sikli 80 GHz FDD product with 60cm diameter 52dBi gain antennas. Will work at 1.8 miles much more reliably than the regular siklu 30cm with 42 antenna gain on each end. The siklu 80 GHz radio is max tx power +7 while the more expensive products are capable of +19. On Oct 13, 2014 4:14 PM, "TJ Trout via Af" wrote: > Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any > idea the difference between the 5 different model variations? > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af > wrote: > >> Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s >> and they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up >> in the 80GHz stuff soon. >> >> On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: >> >> > Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I >> recently installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and >> therefore a bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my >> experience. >> > >> > Matthew Jenkins >> > SmarterBroadband >> > m...@sbbinc.net >> > 530.272.4000 >> > >> > On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: >> >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? >> I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? >> >> >> >> TJ >> > >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson via Af" wrote: > 1 Gig both ways? > > > > You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond > the connections. > > > > This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af > *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? > > > > What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm > assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? > > > > TJ > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Call siklu, have them run the path. They can give you an accurate answer. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet Original message From: TJ Trout via Af Date: 10/13/2014 4:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any idea the difference between the 5 different model variations? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote: Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up in the 80GHz stuff soon. On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: > Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I recently > installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and therefore a bit > nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my experience. > > Matthew Jenkins > SmarterBroadband > m...@sbbinc.net > 530.272.4000 > > On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm >> assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? >> >> TJ >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
1 Gig both ways? You *could* theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them <1.0Gbps with redundancy. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any idea the difference between the 5 different model variations? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote: > Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and > they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up in > the 80GHz stuff soon. > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: > > > Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I > recently installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and > therefore a bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my > experience. > > > > Matthew Jenkins > > SmarterBroadband > > m...@sbbinc.net > > 530.272.4000 > > > > On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? > I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? > >> > >> TJ > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up in the 80GHz stuff soon. On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: > Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I recently > installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and therefore a bit > nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my experience. > > Matthew Jenkins > SmarterBroadband > m...@sbbinc.net > 530.272.4000 > > On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: >> What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm >> assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? >> >> TJ >
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I recently installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and therefore a bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my experience. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
[AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
