[AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Adam Moffett via Af
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy 
to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the 
internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of 
grumpy old fart.


Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread canopy--- via Af
Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy to
 think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet
 are we?
 I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of
 grumpy old fart.



Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Matt Jenkins via Af

Provide company logo sweatshirts and jackets?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/25/2014 08:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I 
crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting 
the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind 
of grumpy old fart.







Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Jeremy via Af
I think it depends on your customers.  Here in Utah, camo attire would be
completely appropriate.  Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company
logo on it.  I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that
color.  We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve.  I
also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital
full-color print logo on those.  In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with
the logo embroidered on it.  I think branding is important.  If camo is
your brand then go for it!  If not, buy them some clothes.  I have been
more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full
color digital prints.  They always seem to end up looking washed out and
not nearly as bold as I would like them.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on
 them.

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy
 to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the
 internet are we?
 I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of
 grumpy old fart.





Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
However... the goal is to not frighten the little old lady/young mother.  

Actually, the goal is to make all customers feel very comfortable and trusting. 
 

Not suggesting a pair of young men with white shirts, ties and name tags, but 
there is a good reason to look presentable.  

Camo will make some uneasy.  

From: Jeremy via Af 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

I think it depends on your customers.  Here in Utah, camo attire would be 
completely appropriate.  Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo 
on it.  I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color.  
We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve.  I also 
purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print 
logo on those.  In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered 
on it.  I think branding is important.  If camo is your brand then go for it!  
If not, buy them some clothes.  I have been more satisfied with the finished 
product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints.  They always 
seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them.

  On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy to 
think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are 
we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of 
grumpy old fart.




Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Adam Moffett via Af


We may be doing that.

Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on 
them.


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I
crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not
hunting the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some
kind of grumpy old fart.






Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Bill Prince via Af
Both are probably true.  Our marketing department has to approve all 
survey/install attire.  Survey attire is not the same as install attire, 
but I don't believe that a camo hoodie would be approved for either one.


bp

On 9/25/2014 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I 
crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting 
the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind 
of grumpy old fart.






Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread That One Guy via Af
I bitch about my boss alot, but he is good about our attire, he gives a
christmas bonus that can be used to buy extra winter gear and he provides
polos, sweatshirts, zippered hoodies, and tshirts from Lands End, theyre
freaking durable

He has looked into logod coats before but figures if its so cold you need
one or coveralls you should wear what works best for you, besides when its
that cold out, the customers normally arent outside looking at your attire
logo

The main thing that matters is the condition of the attire, a camo hoodie
if its appropriate for the weather and theres a logod shirt under it is
good so long as its clean and not full of holes. installer/techs shouldnt
look homeless. Now if youre talking indoor work, or network services work,
thats a different story, camo is not professional and doesnt belong indoors

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I think it depends on your customers.  Here in Utah, camo attire would be
 completely appropriate.  Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company
 logo on it.  I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that
 color.  We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve.  I
 also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital
 full-color print logo on those.  In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with
 the logo embroidered on it.  I think branding is important.  If camo is
 your brand then go for it!  If not, buy them some clothes.  I have been
 more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full
 color digital prints.  They always seem to end up looking washed out and
 not nearly as bold as I would like them.

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on
 them.

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy
 to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the
 internet are we?
 I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of
 grumpy old fart.






-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Adam Moffett via Af


I dunnoNew York State sells something like a million hunting 
licenses per year.  I don't imagine those million or so people are all 
wearing camo to work. I think I've got to put on my boss pants and tell 
him to get a different sweatshirt.


I think it depends on your customers.  Here in Utah, camo attire would 
be completely appropriate.  Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our 
company logo on it.  I chose a bold color and purchased all of the 
clothing in that color.  We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, 
and short sleeve.  I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and 
did the digital full-color print logo on those.  In the winter I wear 
a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it.  I think branding is 
important.  If camo is your brand then go for it!  If not, buy them 
some clothes.  I have been more satisfied with the finished product 
using screenprinting versus full color digital prints.  They always 
seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would 
like them.


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your
logo on them.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. 
Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're

not hunting the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being
some kind of grumpy old fart.







Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af

Sorry, it's more detailed than that:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs16.pdf

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:32 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
If a company sweatshirt or jacket is required for wear (or any 
uniform), you must provide them.


USDoL code.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 07:40 AM, canopy--- via Af wrote:
Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo 
on them.


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am
I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not
hunting the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some
kind of grumpy old fart.








Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread That One Guy via Af
If you buy solid uniforms from somewhere like Lands End, the long term cost
is pretty low. I have polos that are 5 years old that I can still wear on
site work and installs. They have faded some, but they show very few stains
and dont tear easily.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I worked for places that provided the first set and then you had to buy
 replacements (from them).� Not saying I would do that, but I'm wondering
 if they were doing it wrong.

  If a company sweatshirt or jacket is required for wear (or any uniform),
 you must provide them.

 USDoL code.

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 09/25/2014 07:40 AM, canopy--- via Af wrote:

 Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on
 them.

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy
 to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the
 internet are we?
 I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of
 grumpy old fart.







-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Keefe John via Af

We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel.

We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd 
jacket.  Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and 
tennis shoes or boots.  Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is 
allowed.  You want your employees to look like professionals not duck 
dynasty.


Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or 
anything else unprofessional.  You never know when a customer might stop 
by and you always want to look your best.


Keefe

On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I 
crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting 
the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind 
of grumpy old fart.




Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
seal blubber causes paranoia

From: Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

Gonna flip this on it's head...

Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a 
local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do 
business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their 
entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truck with 
uniform standards and tons of paperwork.

Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote:

  We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. 

  We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd 
jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and 
tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� 
You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. 

  Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or 
anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by 
and you always want to look your best. 

  Keefe 

  On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: 

I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy 
to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet 
are we? 
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of 
grumpy old fart. 






Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread David via Af

We have those here LOL

On 09/25/2014 02:02 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

Gonna flip this on it's head...

Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that 
isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here 
would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck 
that they've known their entire lives than working out of some fancy 
whole-logo-wrapped truckwith uniform standards and tons of paperwork.


Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote:
We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional 
apparel.


We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a 
logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the 
logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, 
dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look like 
professionals not duck dynasty.


Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, 
or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer 
might stop by and you always want to look your best.


Keefe

On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I 
crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not 
hunting the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some 
kind of grumpy old fart.










Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread D. Ryan Spott via Af

This is true.

ryan (a normally bearded guy)


On 9/25/14 3:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

If you don't have a beard in Alaska, you are untrusted.

(Even the women!)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 11:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

Gonna flip this on it's head...

Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that 
isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here 
would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked 
truck that they've known their entire lives than working out of some 
fancy whole-logo-wrapped truckwith uniform standards and tons of 
paperwork.


Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote:
We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional 
apparel.


We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a 
logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the 
logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, 
ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look 
like professionals not duck dynasty.


Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, 
sandals, or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a 
customer might stop by and you always want to look your best.


Keefe

On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am 
I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not 
hunting the internet are we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some 
kind of grumpy old fart.










--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net



Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

2014-09-25 Thread James Howard via Af
You don't trust women without beards?

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan 
Spott via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

This is true.

ryan (a normally bearded guy)

On 9/25/14 3:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
If you don't have a beard in Alaska, you are untrusted.

(Even the women!)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 09/25/2014 11:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:
What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.netmailto:m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

Gonna flip this on it's head...

Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a 
local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do 
business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their 
entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truckwith 
uniform standards and tons of paperwork.

Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com 
http://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote:

We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel.

We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd 
jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and 
tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� 
You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty.

Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or 
anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by 
and you always want to look your best.

Keefe

On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to 
think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are 
we?
I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy 
old fart.







--

D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc

broadband | telco | colo | community

PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284

360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.netmailto:rsp...@irongoat.net


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