[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is
something I don't have a lot of background in but I also don't want to end
the process having a system I can't fix so I will need someone that is
willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how
the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week
working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. 

 

My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per
SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to
blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under
control now before we get to large.

 

I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and
butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never
implemented. 

 

Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.

 

Thanks,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net



Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread joseph marsh
Swift fox is another good one  we use it for mainly monitoring and
engineering support

I love the ip address feature

I don't get charged for Mikrotik configuration and they set up my vpn to my
office
On Mar 9, 2015 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system.  Powercode or Visp are
 going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work...

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to
 routed. (More Info)
 Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM


 Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
 uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as
 embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.



 All  APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
 Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
 Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.



 Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But
 we have several different sites that are all very similar.



 The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
 soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured
 in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to
 Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This
 site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof
 box.



 So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
 NAT.



 We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
 speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
 equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with
 the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next
 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.



 Brandon







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
 networktorouted.



 Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track
 CPE and AP bandwidth as is.



 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of
 an issue than it used to be.  Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a
 small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch.  That way
 it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.



 One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.  Static with
 NAT in CPE?  DHCP?  PPPoE?  Do you NAT multiple customers to one public
 IP?  This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to.  Router at
 each tower with block of public IPs?  VLANs to central site with big
 central router?





 *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
 networktorouted.



 not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
 network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be
 a cost effective solution for you as well.



 I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
 under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50
 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have
 all your routers on your desk before you begin



 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.

 A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.



 How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable
 of supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or
 replacing the switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to
 each AP via managed switches would be my preference.



 *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net

 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
 torouted.



 I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This
 is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to
 end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is
 willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how
 the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week
 working over the phone and through a remote desktop app.



 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system.  Powercode or Visp are
going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:


 Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work...

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to
 routed. (More Info)
 Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM


 Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
 uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as
 embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.



 All  APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
 Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
 Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.



 Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But
 we have several different sites that are all very similar.



 The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
 soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured
 in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to
 Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This
 site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof
 box.



 So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
 NAT.



 We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
 speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
 equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with
 the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next
 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.



 Brandon







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
 networktorouted.



 Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE
 and AP bandwidth as is.



 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
 issue than it used to be.  Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
 Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch.  That way it can
 be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.



 One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.  Static with NAT
 in CPE?  DHCP?  PPPoE?  Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?
 This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to.  Router at each
 tower with block of public IPs?  VLANs to central site with big central
 router?





 *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
 networktorouted.



 not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network
 and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
 effective solution for you as well.



 I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
 under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50
 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have
 all your routers on your desk before you begin



 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.

 A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.



 How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable of
 supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or replacing
 the switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP
 via managed switches would be my preference.



 *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net

 *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
 torouted.



 I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This
 is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to
 end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is
 willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how
 the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week
 working over the phone and through a remote desktop app.



 My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use
 per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are
 just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it
 under control now before we get to large.



 I am open to 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I've used WISPMon for years and love it. 

There are routinely about a dozen WISP billing platforms at the WISPA shows. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:51:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to 
routed. (More Info) 


First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to 
be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  par...@cyberbroadband.net  
wrote: 




Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone 


- Reply message - 
From: Brandon Yuchasz  li...@gogebicrange.net  
To:  af@afmug.com  


Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. 
(More Info) 
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM 






Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in 
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it 
is Ill open to robe. 

All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls 
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and 
Ligowave are the most used. 

Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we 
have several different sites that are all very similar. 

The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) 
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a 
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is 
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. 

So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. 

We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds 
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is 
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I 
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t 
keep doing it this way. 

Brandon 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged 
networktorouted. 


Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and 
AP bandwidth as is. 



On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  wrote: 




The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an 
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small 
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be 
converted to routed, often without a truck roll. 



One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in 
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may 
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with 
block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? 








From: That One Guy 

Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged 
networktorouted. 




not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and 
use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost 
effective solution for you as well. 



I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me 
with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a 
great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on 
your desk before you begin 




On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote: 


blockquote





Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. 

A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. 



How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of 
supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the 
switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed 
switches would be my preference. 






From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. 






I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is 
something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the 
process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to 
both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process 
works in 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Last I heard powercode wassnt really interested in less than 250 subs or so.  
At least that was their min license...(which I think makes it difficult to get 
started with them )

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. 
(More Info)
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:51 AM
First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system.  Powercode or Visp are going to 
be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net 
wrote:

Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. 
(More Info)
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM


Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in 
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it 
is Ill open to robe. All  APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the 
PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and 
standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site 
because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different 
sites that are all very similar.  The site I would like to do first is Tower 
one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my 
equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck 
tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs 
and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together 
in a weatherproof box.  So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went 
then way of NAT.     We have no real monitoring for customers date use, 
we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. 
So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite 
happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in 
the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon   From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged 
networktorouted.. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able 
to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.  On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken 
Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers 
made this much less of an issue than it used to be.  Even at micropops that I 
bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. 
 That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One 
question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.  Static with NAT in CPE?  
DHCP?  PPPoE?  Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?  This may 
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to.  Router at each tower with 
block of public IPs?  VLANs to central site with big central router?  From: 
That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to 
hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use 
VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective 
solution for you as well.  I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the 
budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell 
you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure 
you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 
10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:Everyone seems to have lived 
through this evolution at some point.A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.   
How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable of 
supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or replacing the 
switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via 
managed switches would be my preference.   From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, 
March 09, 2015 9:10 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help 
converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting 
our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of 
background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t 
fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at 
the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am 
hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. 
(More Info)
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in 
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it 
is Ill open to robe. All  APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the 
PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and 
standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site 
because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different 
sites that are all very similar.  The site I would like to do first is Tower 
one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my 
equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck 
tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs 
and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together 
in a weatherproof box.  So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went 
then way of NAT.     We have no real monitoring for customers date use, 
we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. 
So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite 
happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in 
the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon   From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged 
networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able 
to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.  On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken 
Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers 
made this much less of an issue than it used to be.  Even at micropops that I 
bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. 
 That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One 
question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.  Static with NAT in CPE?  
DHCP?  PPPoE?  Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?  This may 
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to.  Router at each tower with 
block of public IPs?  VLANs to central site with big central router?  From: 
That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to 
hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use 
VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective 
solution for you as well.  I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the 
budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell 
you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure 
you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 
10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:Everyone seems to have lived 
through this evolution at some point.A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.   
How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable of 
supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or replacing the 
switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via 
managed switches would be my preference.   From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, 
March 09, 2015 9:10 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help 
converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting 
our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of 
background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t 
fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at 
the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am 
hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote 
desktop app.  My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see 
bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. 
We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get 
it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on 
routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after 
trying and failing to get it to work never implemented.  Contact me off list 
bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks,Brandon YuchaszGogebicRange.net
-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in 
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it 
is Ill open to robe.

 

All  APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls 
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and 
Ligowave are the most used.

 

Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we 
have several different sites that are all very similar. 

 

The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) 
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a 
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is 
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. 

 

So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. 
   

 

We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds 
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is 
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I 
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t 
keep doing it this way.

 

Brandon

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

 

Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and 
AP bandwidth as is. 

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an 
issue than it used to be.  Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small 
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch.  That way it can be 
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.

 

One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.  Static with NAT in 
CPE?  DHCP?  PPPoE?  Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?  This may 
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to.  Router at each tower with 
block of public IPs?  VLANs to central site with big central router?

 

 

From: That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  

Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

 

not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and 
use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost 
effective solution for you as well. 

 

I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me 
with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a 
great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on 
your desk before you begin

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.

A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.  

 

How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable of 
supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or replacing the 
switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via 
managed switches would be my preference.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net  

Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

 

I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is 
something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the 
process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to 
both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process 
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the 
phone and through a remote desktop app. 

 

My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, 
per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind 
right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now 
before we get to large.

 

I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and 
butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never 
implemented. 

 

Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.

 

Thanks,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net





 

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 



Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.

2015-03-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott

Hey Brandon,

I would be happy to help you out. Feel free to ping me off-list.

ryan

On 3/9/15 8:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. 
This is something I don�t have a lot of background in but I also don�t 
want to end the process having a system I can�t fix so I will need 
someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same 
time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am 
hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a 
remote desktop app.


My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth 
use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. 
We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I 
need to get it under control now before we get to large.


I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik 
and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work 
never implemented.


Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net 
mailto:bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.


Thanks,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net



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