Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted
Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted +1! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like. I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted I'm ok with plastic, put a spare in each.. they often get lost anyway.. Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just something about it Some additional thoughts... The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber) What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for most since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector per radio (correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports / etc) Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include some extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 / radio to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used). And if someone is ok with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it up a box of them customer service so they could just grab a handful and ship them out as necessary. Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio feel *cheap* ? -Charles
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted
No idea. -Ty On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit? *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted +1! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets -Feedback Wanted Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like. I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted I'm ok with plastic, put a spare in each.. they often get lost anyway.. Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just something about it Some additional thoughts... The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber) What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for most since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector per radio (correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports / etc) Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include some extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 / radio to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used). And if someone is ok with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it up a box of them customer service so they could just grab a handful and ship them out as necessary. Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio feel *cheap* ? -Charles
[AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more *rugged* Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t *look/feel* as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic [cid:image005.jpg@01CFE4A3.936F49A0] Metal [cid:image006.jpg@01CFE4A3.936F49A0]
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
If it means the difference between being able to pass an RJ45 connector through it or not, I would say plastic all the way. If I had to chose between 2 radio vendors with similar price/performance, that feature would tip me one way or the other. I absolutely despise grommets that wont pass the connector. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more **rugged** Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t **look/feel** as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic Metal
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
Charles, you’re alive? Did you do a Brick Tamland? Did you bring ray guns from the future? Oh, and I don’t think metal glands necessarily require terminating the cable after passing through the gland (something that should be avoided at all costs). If I’m remembering right when we installed some Exalt G2 links, they had a metal gland that you could pass a cable terminated with a shielded plug through. And that’s their entry level radio. I could be remembering wrong though, I don’t have one here to look at. Lots of plastic glands have that problem. We go through it with WiMAX CPE, and I remember doing that with a SAF 24 GHz link. From: Charles Wu via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more *rugged* Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t *look/feel* as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic Metal
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
Can pre-terminated fiber fit through either of them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:02:28 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more * rugged * Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t * look/feel * as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic Metal
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
On 10/10/14, 14:12, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Oh, and I don’t think metal glands necessarily require terminating the cable after passing through the gland (something that should be avoided at all costs). If I’m remembering right when we installed some Exalt G2 links, they had a metal gland that you could pass a cable terminated with a shielded plug through. And that’s their entry level radio. I could be remembering wrong though, I don’t have one here to look at. Yeah the Exalt metal ones you can pass a terminated cable through. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
Grommets that don't let cable pass through are worse than ISIS. Due to the pmp320 using them, I've spent many hours of cumulative time, sometimes in -30 weather, chopping off perfect RJ45s just to re-make them past a small piece of plastic. On Oct 10, 2014 4:02 PM, Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
Like someone said, include a spare, or make spares easy to order, or use a gland that can be ordered from a place like Allied or Mouser. Stuff happens. If nothing else, the rubber insert gets hard with time. Also easier to strip the threads on a plastic gland. Not a big deal unless it’s difficult to obtain replacements. From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Plastic. I don't see that there's a big enough advantage to metal to justify that much of a price difference, especially if an RJ45 won't fit through. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Kade Sullivan via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted If it means the difference between being able to pass an RJ45 connector through it or not, I would say plastic all the way. If I had to chose between 2 radio vendors with similar price/performance, that feature would tip me one way or the other. I absolutely despise grommets that wont pass the connector. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Charles Wu via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more *rugged* Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t *look/feel* as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic Metal
