Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Jaime Solorza]

My favorite is ChuckUFarley

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 3:53 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> LOL
> dont give the bad guys any ideas plz :)
>
>
> On 04/17/2018 12:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Cheap routers plugged in here and there to announce goofy SSIDs could be a
> whole lot of fun/chaos/alarm...
>
> ISIS Unit 1
>
> ANFO Detonator #1
>
> SARAN Release Valve Controller
>
> Hello NSA, just joking around here...
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun
>
> This is about 20 min from us yea it really happened!
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> ODD NEWS
>>
>> Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation
>>
>> Saginaw Township, Mich.
>>
>> • A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named
>> “remote detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the
>> facility by a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was
>> found in the search Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85
>> miles northwest of Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl
>> says the patron brought the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a
>> manager, who evacuated the building and called police. The gym was closed
>> for about three hours as police responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime
>> or threat,” so no charges are expected. He notes people often have odd
>> names for Wi-Fi connections. Planet Fitness says the manager was following
>> company procedure for when there’s suspicion about a safety issue.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Dave]

LOL
dont give the bad guys any ideas plz :)


On 04/17/2018 12:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Cheap routers plugged in here and there to announce goofy SSIDs could 
be a whole lot of fun/chaos/alarm...

ISIS Unit 1
ANFO Detonator #1
SARAN Release Valve Controller
Hello NSA, just joking around here...
*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun
This is about 20 min from us yea it really happened!
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

ODD NEWS
Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation
Saginaw Township, Mich.
• A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one
named “remote detonator,” prompting an evacuation and
precautionary search of the facility by a bomb-sniffing dog. The
Saginaw News reported nothing was found in the search Sunday at
Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85 miles northwest of
Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl says the
patron brought the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a
manager, who evacuated the building and called police. The gym was
closed for about three hours as police responded. Pussehl says
there’s “no crime or threat,” so no charges are expected. He notes
people often have odd names for Wi-Fi connections. Planet Fitness
says the manager was following company procedure for when there’s
suspicion about a safety issue.



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chuck McCown]

Cheap routers plugged in here and there to announce goofy SSIDs could be a 
whole lot of fun/chaos/alarm...

ISIS Unit 1

ANFO Detonator #1

SARAN Release Valve Controller

Hello NSA, just joking around here...

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

This is about 20 min from us yea it really happened!

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  ODD NEWS

  Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation

  Saginaw Township, Mich.

  • A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named 
“remote detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the 
facility by a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was found in 
the search Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85 miles 
northwest of Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl says the 
patron brought the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a manager, who 
evacuated the building and called police. The gym was closed for about three 
hours as police responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime or threat,” so no 
charges are expected. He notes people often have odd names for Wi-Fi 
connections. Planet Fitness says the manager was following company procedure 
for when there’s suspicion about a safety issue.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chris Fabien]

This is about 20 min from us yea it really happened!

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> ODD NEWS
>
> Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation
>
> Saginaw Township, Mich.
>
> • A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named
> “remote detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the
> facility by a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was
> found in the search Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85
> miles northwest of Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl
> says the patron brought the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a
> manager, who evacuated the building and called police. The gym was closed
> for about three hours as police responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime
> or threat,” so no charges are expected. He notes people often have odd
> names for Wi-Fi connections. Planet Fitness says the manager was following
> company procedure for when there’s suspicion about a safety issue.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chuck McCown]

ODD NEWS

Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation

Saginaw Township, Mich.

• A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named “remote 
detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the facility by 
a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was found in the search 
Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85 miles northwest of 
Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl says the patron brought 
the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a manager, who evacuated the 
building and called police. The gym was closed for about three hours as police 
responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime or threat,” so no charges are 
expected. He notes people often have odd names for Wi-Fi connections. Planet 
Fitness says the manager was following company procedure for when there’s 
suspicion about a safety issue.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Jaime Solorza]

What a maroon!!! Nyak Nyak

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 16, 2018 6:44 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> OMG! that is hilarious!
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018, 7:33 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/snk3C4m44SY
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Lewis Bergman]

OMG! that is hilarious!

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018, 7:33 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/snk3C4m44SY
>

[AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chuck McCown]

https://youtu.be/snk3C4m44SY

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, get Ken back in here.  He has an uncommon clarity of thought which 
is sorely missed.


And the hippo squaw thing is easier when you read the whole joke.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 12/12/2017 12:00:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist


i dont understand it
but im offended
not that its racist or anything, just that ken wont come back even 
though its lent

tell him if he will bring his ball back i will be good

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> 
wrote:
I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in 
designing odd shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night 
in fact! I love the play on words.


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it 
fun last night.

Can you figure out the riddle?

From:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To:Ken Hohhof
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money 
talks


I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the 
squaw on the hippo.


First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, 
acted like I was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and 
prompting he never got there.


Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  
CS degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.


Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  
I was surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous 
as the stuff I had to do.


Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.

Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.

3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!

From:Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
To:'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money 
talks


Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but 
nothing else has changed in almost 50 years.




BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 
8-10.  We had paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study 
Group).  I don’t remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended 
on the teachers, whether they knew the material and taught it well in 
the classroom including the practical applications that Feynman wrote 
about.  Teachers were more highly valued in that period than now, and 
I think I had some really good science and math teachers especially 
in high school.  The “new math” approach I think was the first 
attempt at teaching college type math to all high school students 
rather than assuming most students would never need algebra, trig, or 
Venn diagrams.




When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to 
center around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t 
teach fundamentals, and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with 
a graphing calculator.  I think it’s the same approach as teaching 
the way to find the diagonal of a right triangle is to cut one out of 
paper and measure it.  I remember a bad joke in high school that 
ended with “the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the 
squaws on the other two hides”.  Who today would even know what that 
refers to?






From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com>
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money 
talks




Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook 
selection process:




http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm 
<http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm>






From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM

To: 'Chuck McCown'

Subject: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks



Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money 
recruiting doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at 
medical conferences.




Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and 
software, raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley-teachers-tech.html 
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley-teachers-tech.html>




And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools 
concerning a big contract for HP laptops:


http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html 
<http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html>




My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent 
in almost any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed 
Tech”.  So we end up with kindergartners having iPads and 
Chromebooks, all the textbooks being online, and teachers usin

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[James Howard]

Were you offended on behalf of the hippopotamus or the squaw?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

i dont understand it
but im offended
not that its racist or anything, just that ken wont come back even though its 
lent
tell him if he will bring his ball back i will be good

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Crum 
<cc...@wispmon.com<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in designing odd 
shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night in fact! I love the play 
on words.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun last 
night.
Can you figure out the riddle?

From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Ken Hohhof
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw on the 
hippo.

First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted like I 
was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he never got 
there.

Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS 
degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.

Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I was 
surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the stuff I 
had to do.

Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.

Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.

3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing else 
has changed in almost 50 years.

BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.  We had 
paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I don’t 
remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers, whether 
they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom including the 
practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers were more highly 
valued in that period than now, and I think I had some really good science and 
math teachers especially in high school.  The “new math” approach I think was 
the first attempt at teaching college type math to all high school students 
rather than assuming most students would never need algebra, trig, or Venn 
diagrams.

When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to center 
around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach fundamentals, 
and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing calculator.  I 
think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the diagonal of a 
right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I remember a bad 
joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to 
the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.  Who today would even know what 
that refers to?


From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com<mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>>
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection 
process:

http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm


From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money recruiting 
doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical conferences.

Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and software, 
raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley-teachers-tech.html

And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning a big 
contract for HP laptops:
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html

My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in almost 
any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So we end up 
with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the textbooks being 
online, and teachers using classroom management software, and wondering how 
much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all great stuff, but it seems 
to show that lobbying and buying influence are not restricted to Washington.  
Silicon Valley goes after the educators the same way Big Pharma goes after the 
d

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[Steve Jones]

i dont understand it
but im offended
not that its racist or anything, just that ken wont come back even though
its lent
tell him if he will bring his ball back i will be good

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in designing
> odd shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night in fact! I love
> the play on words.
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun
>> last night.
>> Can you figure out the riddle?
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
>> *To:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money
>> talks
>>
>> I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw
>> on the hippo.
>>
>> First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted
>> like I was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he
>> never got there.
>>
>> Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS
>> degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.
>>
>> Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I
>> was surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the
>> stuff I had to do.
>>
>> Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.
>>
>> Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.
>>
>> 3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
>> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
>> *Subject:* RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money
>> talks
>>
>>
>> Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing
>> else has changed in almost 50 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.
>> We had paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I
>> don’t remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers,
>> whether they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom
>> including the practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers
>> were more highly valued in that period than now, and I think I had some
>> really good science and math teachers especially in high school.  The “new
>> math” approach I think was the first attempt at teaching college type math
>> to all high school students rather than assuming most students would never
>> need algebra, trig, or Venn diagrams.
>>
>>
>>
>> When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to
>> center around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach
>> fundamentals, and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing
>> calculator.  I think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the
>> diagonal of a right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I
>> remember a bad joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the
>> hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.
>> Who today would even know what that refers to?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money
>> talks
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection
>> process:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>
>> *Subject:* OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>>
>>
>>
>> Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money
>> recruiting doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical
>> conferences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and
>> software, raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley
>> -teachers-tech.html
>>
>>
>>
>> And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning
>> a big contract for HP laptops:
>>
>> http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/
>> baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html
>>
>>
>>
>> My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in
>> almost any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So
>> we end up with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the
>> textbooks being online, and teachers using classroom management software,
>> and wondering how much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all
>> great stuff, but it seems to show that lobbying and buying influence are
>> not restricted to Washington.  Silicon Valley goes after the educators the
>> same way Big Pharma goes after the doctors.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[Cameron Crum]

I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in designing
odd shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night in fact! I love
the play on words.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:

> Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun
> last night.
> Can you figure out the riddle?
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
> *To:* Ken Hohhof
> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
> I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw on
> the hippo.
>
> First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted
> like I was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he
> never got there.
>
> Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS
> degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.
>
> Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I
> was surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the
> stuff I had to do.
>
> Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.
>
> Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.
>
> 3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
> *Subject:* RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
> Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing
> else has changed in almost 50 years.
>
>
>
> BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.  We
> had paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I
> don’t remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers,
> whether they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom
> including the practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers
> were more highly valued in that period than now, and I think I had some
> really good science and math teachers especially in high school.  The “new
> math” approach I think was the first attempt at teaching college type math
> to all high school students rather than assuming most students would never
> need algebra, trig, or Venn diagrams.
>
>
>
> When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to
> center around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach
> fundamentals, and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing
> calculator.  I think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the
> diagonal of a right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I
> remember a bad joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the
> hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.
> Who today would even know what that refers to?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
> *To:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
>
> Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection
> process:
>
>
>
> http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM
>
> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
>
> *Subject:* OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
>
> Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money
> recruiting doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical
> conferences.
>
>
>
> Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and
> software, raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-
> valley-teachers-tech.html
>
>
>
> And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning
> a big contract for HP laptops:
>
> http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/
> 11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html
>
>
>
> My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in
> almost any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So
> we end up with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the
> textbooks being online, and teachers using classroom management software,
> and wondering how much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all
> great stuff, but it seems to show that lobbying and buying influence are
> not restricted to Washington.  Silicon Valley goes after the educators the
> same way Big Pharma goes after the doctors.
>

[AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[chuck]

Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun last 
night.  
Can you figure out the riddle?

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Ken Hohhof 
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw on the 
hippo.  

First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted like I 
was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he never got 
there.

Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS 
degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.

Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I was 
surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the stuff I 
had to do.  

Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.  

Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.

3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown' 
Subject: RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing else 
has changed in almost 50 years.

 

BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.  We had 
paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I don’t 
remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers, whether 
they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom including the 
practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers were more highly 
valued in that period than now, and I think I had some really good science and 
math teachers especially in high school.  The “new math” approach I think was 
the first attempt at teaching college type math to all high school students 
rather than assuming most students would never need algebra, trig, or Venn 
diagrams.

 

When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to center 
around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach fundamentals, 
and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing calculator.  I 
think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the diagonal of a 
right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I remember a bad 
joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to 
the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.  Who today would even know what 
that refers to?

 

 

From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Ken Hohhof 
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

 

Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection 
process:

 

http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM

To: 'Chuck McCown' 

Subject: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

 

Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money recruiting 
doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical conferences.

 

Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and software, 
raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley-teachers-tech.html

 

And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning a big 
contract for HP laptops:

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html

 

My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in almost 
any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So we end up 
with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the textbooks being 
online, and teachers using classroom management software, and wondering how 
much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all great stuff, but it seems 
to show that lobbying and buying influence are not restricted to Washington.  
Silicon Valley goes after the educators the same way Big Pharma goes after the 
doctors.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun note Fw: Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT

[Josh Luthman]

No one is there to repair it...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> People's phones doesn't just stop working because employees are on
> strike... LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 4/13/2016 9:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> �
> �
> *From:* Henry Dudley 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* chuck 
> *Subject:* Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT
> �
>
> �
>
> [image: logo]
>
> April 13, 2016
>
> Hi All,
>
> Our Main Phone line (732-240-6895) is out - VERIZON IS ON STRIKE
>
> Please call us at:
>
> 732-286-4677 our 2nd line OR
>
> 732-995-8086 cell
>
> Henry Dudley
>
> hdud...@dudleylab.com
>
> �
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun note Fw: Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT

[Travis Johnson]

People's phones doesn't just stop working because employees are on 
strike... LOL


Travis


On 4/13/2016 9:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

*From:* Henry Dudley 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* chuck 
*Subject:* Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT
  
logo

April 13, 2016
Hi All,

Our Main Phone line (732-240-6895) is out - VERIZON IS ON STRIKE
Please call us at:
732-286-4677 our 2nd line OR
732-995-8086 cell
Henry Dudley
hdud...@dudleylab.com
  

[AFMUG] OT Fun note Fw: Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT

[Chuck McCown]

From: Henry Dudley 
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:48 AM
To: chuck 
Subject: Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT

 April 13, 2016Hi All,

Our Main Phone line (732-240-6895) is out - VERIZON IS ON STRIKEPlease call 
us at:732-286-4677 our 2nd line OR732-995-8086 cellHenry 
dudleyhdud...@dudleylab.com 

[AFMUG] OT fun

[Chuck McCown]

What did the psychiatrist wear under her dress?

Freudian Slip

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT fun

 

What did the psychiatrist wear under her dress?

 

Freudian Slip

 

[AFMUG] OT fun -Capitol Steps

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/Radio-1507.mp3

at 49:53 is the sketch where they switch the first letter of two words of a 
phrase.   These guys have been doing this for years.  Well worth listening to.  
I like the whole show, but if you want the best, slide it over to 49:53 and 
listen to that sketch.

Here are a few lines from the sketch:

Scribble down some notes == nibble down some scroats...

Bugging your phone == phugging your bone

American way of life == American lay of wife.  

It must  be very difficult to memorize and deliver.  My favorite part of their 
sketches.  New every year.  The election year show is the best.  Normally they 
come to Salt Lake City during the election and I always try to go and see them. 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[That One Guy]

People are stupid. People will always be stupid. They just live longer

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I recently listened to a rant about the dangers of wireless while
 terminating a cable inside a home that lead out to the customers shiny new
 radio.  I figured I'd just shut up and say nothing, lest they cancel or
 something.  They were very concerned about the smart meter which now had
 said shiny radio about 10 feet above it.

 Seem to be coming across this mentality more and more as of late.

 -Steve D

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month.  They
 were adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house.  I
 explained to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower
 above their house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi
 frequencies going throughout their house.  They looked at me the way that I
 was looking at them (like they had three heads).  As it turns out, they
 just didn't want their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there aren't
 too many WISPs in the area...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/







-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[Jason McKemie]

This.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 People are stupid. People will always be stupid. They just live longer

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I recently listened to a rant about the dangers of wireless while
 terminating a cable inside a home that lead out to the customers shiny new
 radio.  I figured I'd just shut up and say nothing, lest they cancel or
 something.  They were very concerned about the smart meter which now had
 said shiny radio about 10 feet above it.

 Seem to be coming across this mentality more and more as of late.

 -Steve D

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month.  They
 were adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house.  I
 explained to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower
 above their house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi
 frequencies going throughout their house.  They looked at me the way that I
 was looking at them (like they had three heads).  As it turns out, they
 just didn't want their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there
 aren't too many WISPs in the area...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/







 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[Bill Prince]

Yah.  I've read about this a couple years ago.  Guess there aren't too 
many WISPs in the area...


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[Jeremy]

I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month.  They were
adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house.  I explained
to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower above their
house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi frequencies going
throughout their house.  They looked at me the way that I was looking at
them (like they had three heads).  As it turns out, they just didn't want
their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there aren't
 too many WISPs in the area...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

[Steve D]

I recently listened to a rant about the dangers of wireless while
terminating a cable inside a home that lead out to the customers shiny new
radio.  I figured I'd just shut up and say nothing, lest they cancel or
something.  They were very concerned about the smart meter which now had
said shiny radio about 10 feet above it.

Seem to be coming across this mentality more and more as of late.

-Steve D

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month.  They were
 adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house.  I explained
 to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower above their
 house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi frequencies going
 throughout their house.  They looked at me the way that I was looking at
 them (like they had three heads).  As it turns out, they just didn't want
 their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there aren't
 too many WISPs in the area...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/