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> I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that > was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said > "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is > there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool > me once... While it is easy to pass judgement on the (invitational) behavior, a lot of time and science (behavioral) and psychology has been spent in trying to explain this. How big of a problem this actually is in every society ? Without passing judgement, have a discussion about the reality of this and many other similar issues, with someone who works or has worked in the Hospital ER ... This goes a lot deeper than just predictor sexual behavior by powerful men.. this is part and parcel of a basket of poor human behavior that is inclusive of Spouse Abuse, Child Molestation, incest, and many other issues. (I saw my 20year old grow up extremely fast, when he worked as a Scribe, covering the Hospital ER..) (He witnessed the best and worst of humanity first hand and some of the stories he shared were almost unbelievable) I am not sure, if one is doing justice by being quick to be dismissive... Just because in yesteryears it was hidden from everyone's view, does not make it Ok or correct. Yes there are whole spectrum of issues in this 'basket' but none of them should be used as a justification. Yes there are challenges created by Society / Peer Pressure and Community behavior that all contribute into making this happen. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:03:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not care > about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet 40 years ago > there seems to be a concerted effort to end their career. Same for > politicians. > > In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was making > them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But I was never > in a position of power or authority. Just some pimply faced kid trying to > get lucky. I cannot imagine the difficulty for the attractive young woman > trying to make her way in acting or business or politics and getting a > boorish dude pushing himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed > for as long as humans have existed. > > I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that > was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said > "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is > there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool > me once... > > -----Original Message- > From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws? > > On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The >> guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly >> happened 40 years ago. >> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? >> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, >> changes of attitudes? >> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the >> offense happened? >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive >> It's available on Netflix. >> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices >> you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get >> to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression >> that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media >> and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a >> good episodeand a good series in general. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> Maybe they could start with China’
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Even that has a whole range of philosophical angles. What are the ages of the parties. What is the age difference. Is there a position of power or influence involved. What kind of groping. Why is 18 or 21 or any age a magical bright line for judging or controlling any kind of behavior? Just hard to apply binary rules to analog humans. A kid that just turned 18 got caught giving his willing 17 year old girlfriend a squeeze on the butt. 6 year old school kid pinching the butt of another 6 year old school kid. 56 year old studio boss feeling up a 16 year old intern. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political The accusations are of groping a minor… From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >From what I heard on the Dustin Hoffman deal, he only said things, didn’t >actually do anything. At least with that one girl. Just said some >inappropriate things to at 17 year old intern. Some of this stuff is not binary. If a woman has a see through top and no bra and plenty of jiggle, who is to blame if the guys notice? The woman? Evolution? So she claims that she felt harassed but the eyes on her boobs. Who gets fired etc etc. I realize this is not the same thing as Harvey chasing young girls round in his hotel room, but it is shades of the same problem. You can go to the extreme examples of anything and say yes, wrong – always wrong. Black and white. But at the other end of the spectrum is a 10 year old boy stealing a kiss from a 10 year old girl. She was cool with it until some of the other kids saw and started talking about it. The the shit hit the fan, full court of inquiry, letters of contrition were written etc etc. I never kissed her again. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political 35 years ago I was playing with legos… An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these days, the accusations are far worse… From: Af on behalf of Steve Jones Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity dev
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so we are good with no time limit on an action, simply a time limit on due process? I take it personally because a very good friend of mine did ten years as a class x felon in prison for aggravated sexual assault of a minor(and the things inside prison that go along with that) The "victim" has since recanted, the evidence was never there in the first place, a judges death mid trial and a new scorched earth judge led to his conviction. Hes still fighting to get it overturned, even with an affidavit recantation on record. So I dont put alot of salt in accusations, very old and politically expedient ones at that On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Perfect example of a strawman. > That's not what Gino said at all. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Steve Jones" > To: "af@afmug.com" > Sent: 12/7/2017 12:43:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an > unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done > it today? > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > >> Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary >> thing. You can’t be half pregnant. >> >> Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or >> right >> >> It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. >> >> From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown < >> ch...@wbmfg.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com" >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The >> guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly >> happened 40 years ago. >> >> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? >> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, >> changes of attitudes? >> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the >> offense happened? >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive >> It's available on Netflix. >> >> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices >> you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get >> to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression >> that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media >> and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good >> episodeand a good series in general. >> >> >> ------ Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> >> Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking >> everyone’s behavior. >> >> *From:* Nate Burke >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> Facebook and Google already have all the data of your >> likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the >> next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to >> interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise >> your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices >> would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. >> As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you >> get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close >> by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. >> >> On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >> Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. >> >> Don't! Stop! >> >> Don't stop! >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. >> There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted >> attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided >> the kid is OK then the playing h
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The accusations are of groping a minor… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >From what I heard on the Dustin Hoffman deal, he only said things, didn’t >actually do anything. At least with that one girl. Just said some >inappropriate things to at 17 year old intern. Some of this stuff is not binary. If a woman has a see through top and no bra and plenty of jiggle, who is to blame if the guys notice? The woman? Evolution? So she claims that she felt harassed but the eyes on her boobs. Who gets fired etc etc. I realize this is not the same thing as Harvey chasing young girls round in his hotel room, but it is shades of the same problem. You can go to the extreme examples of anything and say yes, wrong – always wrong. Black and white. But at the other end of the spectrum is a 10 year old boy stealing a kiss from a 10 year old girl. She was cool with it until some of the other kids saw and started talking about it. The the shit hit the fan, full court of inquiry, letters of contrition were written etc etc. I never kissed her again. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political 35 years ago I was playing with legos… An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these days, the accusations are far worse… From: Af on behalf of Steve Jones Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwante
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Perfect example of a strawman. That's not what Gino said at all. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 12/7/2017 12:43:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive> It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From:Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To:Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL -------- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chick
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>From what I heard on the Dustin Hoffman deal, he only said things, didn’t >actually do anything. At least with that one girl. Just said some >inappropriate things to at 17 year old intern. Some of this stuff is not binary. If a woman has a see through top and no bra and plenty of jiggle, who is to blame if the guys notice? The woman? Evolution? So she claims that she felt harassed but the eyes on her boobs. Who gets fired etc etc. I realize this is not the same thing as Harvey chasing young girls round in his hotel room, but it is shades of the same problem. You can go to the extreme examples of anything and say yes, wrong – always wrong. Black and white. But at the other end of the spectrum is a 10 year old boy stealing a kiss from a 10 year old girl. She was cool with it until some of the other kids saw and started talking about it. The the shit hit the fan, full court of inquiry, letters of contrition were written etc etc. I never kissed her again. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political 35 years ago I was playing with legos… An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these days, the accusations are far worse… From: Af on behalf of Steve Jones Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal?
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35 years ago I was playing with legos… An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these days, the accusations are far worse… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episode....and a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much a
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So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary > thing. You can’t be half pregnant. > > Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or > right > > It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. > > From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown > > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The > guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly > happened 40 years ago. > > Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? > Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, > changes of attitudes? > Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the > offense happened? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive > It's available on Netflix. > > Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices > you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get > to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression > that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media > and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good > episodeand a good series in general. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > > Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking > everyone’s behavior. > > *From:* Nate Burke > *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Facebook and Google already have all the data of your > likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the > next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to > interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise > your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices > would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. > As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you > get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close > by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. > > On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. > > Don't! Stop! > > Don't stop! > > > > bp > > > > On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. > There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted > attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided > the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so > forth. > > Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date > risking becoming a criminal? > > Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. > > NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney > and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact > same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The > woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by > Buscemi. > > How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be > pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have > disappeared. End of story. > > Jaime Solorza > > On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so >> much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner >> >> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> Al Franken = injured chicken LOL >>
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Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL ________ From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were
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What I want to know is why ron jeremy isnt stepping down after the allegations against him I wont be suprised if franken commits suicide btw On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:24 AM, wrote: > I am wondering if this is going to lead to a resurgence in "the old boys > club" with a vengeance. > > I have seen young women get fired for cause only to make an unfounded > claim - after the fact - of sexual harassment. > Makes it harder to want to hire the next young woman. > > -Original Message- From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:13 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. This is the > beginning/middle of the McCarthy era all over again, but as with all > things in the modern social media age, greatly sped up. Will we get to > congressional hearings? Doesn't seem to require it to get the "job" > done... > > On 12/7/17 9:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >> An actor turned politician just threw his political career away to >> further a scorched earth agenda. Zero due process, all to bypass the >> protections given to us by our founding fathers in an attempt to get a >> political one up for "the party" >> >> We will never know the extent of guilt because due process was bypassed >> >> Constituents were screwed >> >> This is a bad bad path we are on >> >> There is nothing to stop a competitor from popping and and saying any one >> of you male small business owners did something 25 years ago, the precedent >> is there to destroy your company before the words "i didnt do it" even pass >> your lips >> >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:03 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >> wrote: >> >> But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not >> care about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet >> 40 years ago there seems to be a concerted effort to end their >> career. Same for politicians. >> >> In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was >> making them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. >> But I was never in a position of power or authority. Just some >> pimply faced kid trying to get lucky. I cannot imagine the >> difficulty for the attractive young woman trying to make her way in >> acting or business or politics and getting a boorish dude pushing >> himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed for as long >> as humans have existed. >> >> I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys >> that was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on >> many). She said "every time I would spend the night at his house he >> would rape me". OK, is there a problem in simply not sleeping over >> where you always get raped. Fool me once... >> >> -Original Message- From: Robert >> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws? >> >> On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other >> day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff >> that supposedly happened 40 years ago. >> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? >> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, >> learning, changes of attitudes? >> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which >> the offense happened? >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive> >> It's available on Netflix. >> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The >> prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a >> condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police >> treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, >> just a fact of the presence of social medi
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
I am wondering if this is going to lead to a resurgence in "the old boys
club" with a vengeance.
I have seen young women get fired for cause only to make an unfounded
claim - after the fact - of sexual harassment.
Makes it harder to want to hire the next young woman.
-Original Message-
From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. This is the
beginning/middle of the McCarthy era all over again, but as with all
things in the modern social media age, greatly sped up. Will we get to
congressional hearings? Doesn't seem to require it to get the "job"
done...
On 12/7/17 9:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
An actor turned politician just threw his political career away to further
a scorched earth agenda. Zero due process, all to bypass the protections
given to us by our founding fathers in an attempt to get a political one
up for "the party"
We will never know the extent of guilt because due process was bypassed
Constituents were screwed
This is a bad bad path we are on
There is nothing to stop a competitor from popping and and saying any one
of you male small business owners did something 25 years ago, the
precedent is there to destroy your company before the words "i didnt do
it" even pass your lips
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:03 AM, <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not
care about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet
40 years ago there seems to be a concerted effort to end their
career. Same for politicians.
In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was
making them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But
I was never in a position of power or authority. Just some
pimply faced kid trying to get lucky. I cannot imagine the
difficulty for the attractive young woman trying to make her way in
acting or business or politics and getting a boorish dude pushing
himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed for as long
as humans have existed.
I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys
that was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on
many). She said "every time I would spend the night at his house he
would rape me". OK, is there a problem in simply not sleeping over
where you always get raped. Fool me once...
-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws?
On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other
day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff
that supposedly happened 40 years ago.
Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up,
learning, changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which
the offense happened?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive>
It's available on Netflix.
Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The
prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a
condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police
treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law,
just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous
access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good
episodeand a good series in general.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score
essentially ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems
like the n
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. This is the
beginning/middle of the McCarthy era all over again, but as with all
things in the modern social media age, greatly sped up. Will we get to
congressional hearings? Doesn't seem to require it to get the "job"
done...
On 12/7/17 9:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
An actor turned politician just threw his political career away to
further a scorched earth agenda. Zero due process, all to bypass the
protections given to us by our founding fathers in an attempt to get a
political one up for "the party"
We will never know the extent of guilt because due process was bypassed
Constituents were screwed
This is a bad bad path we are on
There is nothing to stop a competitor from popping and and saying any
one of you male small business owners did something 25 years ago, the
precedent is there to destroy your company before the words "i didnt do
it" even pass your lips
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:03 AM, <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not
care about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet
40 years ago there seems to be a concerted effort to end their
career. Same for politicians.
In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was
making them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection.
But I was never in a position of power or authority. Just some
pimply faced kid trying to get lucky. I cannot imagine the
difficulty for the attractive young woman trying to make her way in
acting or business or politics and getting a boorish dude pushing
himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed for as long
as humans have existed.
I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys
that was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on
many). She said "every time I would spend the night at his house he
would rape me". OK, is there a problem in simply not sleeping over
where you always get raped. Fool me once...
-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws?
On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other
day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff
that supposedly happened 40 years ago.
Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up,
learning, changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which
the offense happened?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive>
It's available on Netflix.
Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything.
The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a
condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police
treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law,
just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous
access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good
episodeand a good series in general.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score
essentially ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of).
Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility
matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential
date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances
would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices
would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential
matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
society is now one that thinks its ok to show up to a barbecue and be provided your vegan/vegetarian meal, its now considered rude of the host not to cowtow to the one off, than it is for the guest of a guest to make alternate arrangements On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:08 AM, wrote: > I am sure that Bill Cosby is probably going to be found guilty of > something in court. He certainly seemed to be a guy that enjoyed his > Jell-O and probably did some bad stuff. > > But a comment from my wife made me think a bit: Back in the 1970s, party > at the playboy mansion, attractive young woman, dressed to attract, doing > drugs, drinking and partying the the fancy people. They really expected > that nobody would hit on them? They really expected the guys to “control > their thoughts”? They really expected that sex didn’t happen there? > Seriously? > > Like getting asked to a barbecue but you are only expected to smell the > food? > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:53 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > The tech and I were talking about this today. If under the current > "everything is sexual assault" mentality were in play back when loose women > and questionable antics. How many would be "rapists" and guilty of "sexual > assault" > Ever notice how poor or non powerful guys rarely have 30 year old > accusations? Theres a reason for that. > > Ill admit, in grade school, I did "tune in tokyo" and played kissing tag > (this is now considered rape) > In highschool I had lots of sex with intoxicated girls > when I was 18, I literally was raped by a woman 30 years older than me > (date rape by todays standards) > We played slap ass at parties, wet tshirt contests, streaking, etc (all > sexual assault by todays standard) > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Robert wrote: > >> Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years... >> >> On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >>> But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get >>> along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing >>> most folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are >>> compatible. >>> *From:* Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> >>> Check to see if you're compatible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>> Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator >>> >>> bp >>> >>> >>> On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially >>>> ranking everyone’s behavior. >>>> *From:* Nate Burke >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>>> Facebook and Google already have all the data of your >>>> likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the >>>> next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to >>>> interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise >>>> your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices >>>> would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. >>>> As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you >>>> get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close >>>> by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. >>>> >>>> On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across >>>>> verbally. >>>>> >>>>> Don't! Stop! >>>>> >>>>> Don't stop! >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a >>>>>> predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. >>>>>> Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the >>>>>> girl >>>>>> decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into >>>>>> no=yes >>>>>> and
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Yeah, and you are required to school your thoughts, manually control your
eyes, not notice, arrgh.
I am the first to notice, look and enjoy but now I feel like a criminal when
it happens.
Sometimes the young women might want to consider the old women know a thing
or two:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/entertainment/angela-lansbury-sexual-harassment-comments-trnd/index.html
-Original Message-
From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Dial in the way back machine...
1978... Nuclear Engineering firm. Best looking woman in the company.
Not every day but at least once per month, shows up in a see-through
blouse and no bra... Yes she had every engineer around her little
finger.
Times change.
Same sort of thing went on at Netscape in 1995. Women would show up
and figure that they could move their agenda with some good moves.
And then guys figure that the game was on.
It was 10x worse at the VC companies in the same era...
On 12/7/17 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The tech and I were talking about this today. If under the current
"everything is sexual assault" mentality were in play back when loose
women and questionable antics. How many would be "rapists" and guilty of
"sexual assault"
Ever notice how poor or non powerful guys rarely have 30 year old
accusations? Theres a reason for that.
Ill admit, in grade school, I did "tune in tokyo" and played kissing tag
(this is now considered rape)
In highschool I had lots of sex with intoxicated girls
when I was 18, I literally was raped by a woman 30 years older than me
(date rape by todays standards)
We played slap ass at parties, wet tshirt contests, streaking, etc (all
sexual assault by todays standard)
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years...
On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to
get along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have
been convincing most folks that we like each other for 35
years. Pretty sure we are compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator>
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score
essentially ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems
like the next logical step would be a compatibility
matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential
date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your
advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity
devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all
potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a
Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by
to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might
come across verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be
classified as a predator. There is the prey and the
predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.
Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the
playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so
forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss
at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered
sexual predation.
NPR had a go
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
An actor turned politician just threw his political career away to further a scorched earth agenda. Zero due process, all to bypass the protections given to us by our founding fathers in an attempt to get a political one up for "the party" We will never know the extent of guilt because due process was bypassed Constituents were screwed This is a bad bad path we are on There is nothing to stop a competitor from popping and and saying any one of you male small business owners did something 25 years ago, the precedent is there to destroy your company before the words "i didnt do it" even pass your lips On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:03 AM, wrote: > But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not care > about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet 40 years > ago there seems to be a concerted effort to end their career. Same for > politicians. > > In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was making > them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But I was > never in a position of power or authority. Just some pimply faced kid > trying to get lucky. I cannot imagine the difficulty for the attractive > young woman trying to make her way in acting or business or politics and > getting a boorish dude pushing himself on her. It is a tough problem that > has existed for as long as humans have existed. > > I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that > was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said > "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is > there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. > Fool me once... > > -Original Message- From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws? > > On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The >> guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly >> happened 40 years ago. >> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? >> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, >> changes of attitudes? >> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the >> offense happened? >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive >> It's available on Netflix. >> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices >> you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get >> to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression >> that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media >> and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good >> episodeand a good series in general. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >>> Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially >>> ranking everyone’s behavior. >>> *From:* Nate Burke >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> Facebook and Google already have all the data of your >>> likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the >>> next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to >>> interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise >>> your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices >>> would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. >>> As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you >>> get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close >>> by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. >>> >>> On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across >>>> verbally. >>>> >>>> Don't! Stop! >>>> >>>> Don't stop! >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
I am sure that Bill Cosby is probably going to be found guilty of something in
court. He certainly seemed to be a guy that enjoyed his Jell-O and probably
did some bad stuff.
But a comment from my wife made me think a bit: Back in the 1970s, party at
the playboy mansion, attractive young woman, dressed to attract, doing drugs,
drinking and partying the the fancy people. They really expected that nobody
would hit on them? They really expected the guys to “control their thoughts”?
They really expected that sex didn’t happen there? Seriously?
Like getting asked to a barbecue but you are only expected to smell the food?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
The tech and I were talking about this today. If under the current "everything
is sexual assault" mentality were in play back when loose women and
questionable antics. How many would be "rapists" and guilty of "sexual assault"
Ever notice how poor or non powerful guys rarely have 30 year old accusations?
Theres a reason for that.
Ill admit, in grade school, I did "tune in tokyo" and played kissing tag (this
is now considered rape)
In highschool I had lots of sex with intoxicated girls
when I was 18, I literally was raped by a woman 30 years older than me (date
rape by todays standards)
We played slap ass at parties, wet tshirt contests, streaking, etc (all sexual
assault by todays standard)
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Robert wrote:
Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years...
On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get along?
My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing most folks
that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking
everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next
logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact
with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances
would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go
into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name
badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will
start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for
potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.
There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the
kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the
exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The
woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile
would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones"
wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Dial in the way back machine...
1978... Nuclear Engineering firm. Best looking woman in the company.
Not every day but at least once per month, shows up in a see-through
blouse and no bra... Yes she had every engineer around her little
finger.
Times change.
Same sort of thing went on at Netscape in 1995. Women would show up
and figure that they could move their agenda with some good moves.
And then guys figure that the game was on.
It was 10x worse at the VC companies in the same era...
On 12/7/17 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The tech and I were talking about this today. If under the current
"everything is sexual assault" mentality were in play back when loose
women and questionable antics. How many would be "rapists" and guilty of
"sexual assault"
Ever notice how poor or non powerful guys rarely have 30 year old
accusations? Theres a reason for that.
Ill admit, in grade school, I did "tune in tokyo" and played kissing tag
(this is now considered rape)
In highschool I had lots of sex with intoxicated girls
when I was 18, I literally was raped by a woman 30 years older than me
(date rape by todays standards)
We played slap ass at parties, wet tshirt contests, streaking, etc (all
sexual assault by todays standard)
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years...
On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to
get along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have
been convincing most folks that we like each other for 35
years. Pretty sure we are compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator>
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score
essentially ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of).
Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility
matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential
date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your
advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity
devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all
potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a
Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by
to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might
come across verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be
classified as a predator. There is the prey and the
predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.
Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the
playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so
forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss
at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered
sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a
party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on
her at different times. Both use the exact same
words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact
same words. The woman is mesmerized by the
attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime S
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not care about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet 40 years ago there seems to be a concerted effort to end their career. Same for politicians. In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was making them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But I was never in a position of power or authority. Just some pimply faced kid trying to get lucky. I cannot imagine the difficulty for the attractive young woman trying to make her way in acting or business or politics and getting a boorish dude pushing himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed for as long as humans have existed. I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool me once... -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws? On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. *From:* Nate Burke *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:2
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
The tech and I were talking about this today. If under the current "everything is sexual assault" mentality were in play back when loose women and questionable antics. How many would be "rapists" and guilty of "sexual assault" Ever notice how poor or non powerful guys rarely have 30 year old accusations? Theres a reason for that. Ill admit, in grade school, I did "tune in tokyo" and played kissing tag (this is now considered rape) In highschool I had lots of sex with intoxicated girls when I was 18, I literally was raped by a woman 30 years older than me (date rape by todays standards) We played slap ass at parties, wet tshirt contests, streaking, etc (all sexual assault by todays standard) On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Robert wrote: > Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years... > > On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get >> along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing >> most folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are >> compatible. >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> Check to see if you're compatible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >> Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator >> >> bp >> >> >> On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >>> Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially >>> ranking everyone’s behavior. >>> *From:* Nate Burke >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> Facebook and Google already have all the data of your >>> likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the >>> next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to >>> interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise >>> your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices >>> would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. >>> As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you >>> get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close >>> by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. >>> >>> On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across >>>> verbally. >>>> >>>> Don't! Stop! >>>> >>>> Don't stop! >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. >>>>> There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted >>>>> attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided >>>>> the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so >>>>> forth. >>>>> Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a >>>>> date risking becoming a criminal? >>>>> Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. >>>>> NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney >>>>> and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact >>>>> same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The >>>>> woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by >>>>> Buscemi. >>>>> How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? >>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>>>> All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should >>>>> be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would >>>>> have disappeared. End of story. >>>>> >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and >>>>> not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner >>
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws?
On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The
guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly
happened 40 years ago.
Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning,
changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the
offense happened?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
It's available on Netflix.
Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices
you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you
get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the
impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of
social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook
distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially
ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like
the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only
allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90%
compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore
unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it
will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the
lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a
predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter
degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted
touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing
hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the
exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by
George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama
pedophile would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory
farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC.
They were allowed to run around in a very large room.
Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He
had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move.
I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatev
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Yeah, but I have had a grin on my face the whole time!
-Original Message-
From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years...
On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get along?
My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing most
folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are
compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking
everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the
next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed
to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility.
Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity
devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches
nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or
red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby
alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing
behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.
There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl
decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into
no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney
and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the
exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same
words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels
harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should
be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile
would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones"
wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory
farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They
were allowed to run around in a very large room.
Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He
had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I
don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink
was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Like most spouses, she has you hornswaggled for 35 years...
On 12/7/17 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get
along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been
convincing most folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure
we are compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially
ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like
the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only
allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90%
compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore
unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it
will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the
lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a
predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter
degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted
touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing
hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the
exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by
George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama
pedophile would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory
farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC.
They were allowed to run around in a very large room.
Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He
had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move.
I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink
was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
A lot of people hang on that strongly, but at some point you just can't get hung up on that stuff. I dunno... 10 years? 20 years? I'm 35 and probably 50% of my current viewpoint on things has changed since I was in high school. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:38:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were re
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy
doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40
years ago.
Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning,
changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense
happened?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
It's available on Netflix.
Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you
pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have
and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not
codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous
access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a
good series in general.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking
everyone’s behavior.
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs
(even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a
compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date
if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and
therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would
either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential
harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.
There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the
kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date
risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney
and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same
words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should
be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have
disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so
much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
--
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He
raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around
in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands.
He had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide)
that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from
food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for
market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would
just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the
conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chicken
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
The movie the circle had a little of that in there, like a director cut plot line On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > The trouble with Meyers Briggs is that it is a snapshot, and people can > (and do) change. Plus, the way people react to each other is not part of > the test. > > https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568365431/what-can-a- > personality-test-tell-us-about-who-we-are > > bp > > > > On 12/7/2017 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get > along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing > most folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are > compatible. > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > > Check to see if you're compatible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator > > bp > > > > On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking > everyone’s behavior. > > *From:* Nate Burke > *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Facebook and Google already have all the data of your > likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the > next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to > interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise > your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices > would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. > As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you > get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close > by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. > > On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. > > Don't! Stop! > > Don't stop! > > > > bp > > > > On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. > There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted > attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided > the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so > forth. > > Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date > risking becoming a criminal? > > Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. > > NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney > and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact > same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The > woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by > Buscemi. > > How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be > pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have > disappeared. End of story. > > Jaime Solorza > > On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so >> much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner >> >> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> Al Franken = injured chicken LOL >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> >>> >>> One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised >>> fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in >>> a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. >>> He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. >>> There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that >>> snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from >>> food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready >>> for market. >>> >>> Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would >>> just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall >>> how they got water (this was 50 years ago). >>> >>> If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the >>> conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other >>> chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to >>> death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them >>> in. >>> >>> I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes. >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
The trouble with Meyers Briggs is that it is a snapshot, and people can
(and do) change. Plus, the way people react to each other is not part of
the test.
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568365431/what-can-a-personality-test-tell-us-about-who-we-are
bp
On 12/7/2017 8:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get
along? My wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been
convincing most folks that we like each other for 35 years. Pretty
sure we are compatible.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially
ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like
the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only
allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90%
compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore
unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it
will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the
lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a
predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter
degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.
Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get
games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of
a date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the
exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by
George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama
pedophile would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones"
wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened
and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory
farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC.
They were allowed to run around in a very large room.
Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had
lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3
inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never
farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or
8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move.
I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something
caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single
spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short
order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red
ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episodeand a good series in general. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From:Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From:Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To:Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
But does being similar on a Meyers/Briggs mean you are going to get along? My
wife and I are in opposite corners and we have been convincing most folks that
we like each other for 35 years. Pretty sure we are compatible.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking
everyone’s behavior.
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs
(even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a
compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date
if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and
therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would
either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential
harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.
There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the
kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date
risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney
and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same
words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should
be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have
disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so
much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
--
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He
raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around
in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands.
He had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide)
that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from
food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for
market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would
just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the
conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens
would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot
of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Check to see if you're compatible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially
ranking everyone’s behavior.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like
the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only
allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90%
compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore
unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and
see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge
would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it
will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the
lookout for potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a
predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter
degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted
touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing
hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the
exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by
George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama
pedophile would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm.
He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were
allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of
them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of
buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move.
I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was
enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the
next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed
to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility.
Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted.
Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all
potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would
either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for
potential harassing behavior.
On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.
Don't! Stop!
Don't stop!
bp
On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a
predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter
degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.
Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get
games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
date risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact
same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and
feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama
pedophile would have disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm.
He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were
allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them
per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings
with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I
don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was
enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
I let a buddy fall off the roof of a second story building due to a comma once. He said don’t let go. (I had grabbed his hand as he started sliding). I interpreted it as “don’t, let go”. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL *From: *"Chuck McCown" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
That should have been “hitting on”...
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:44 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is
the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention,
unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK
then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date
risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and
Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same
words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be
pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have
disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much
as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised
fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a
very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had
lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that
snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food.
I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just
park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the
conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens
would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot
of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is
the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention,
unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK
then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date
risking becoming a criminal?
Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and
Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same
words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.
How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be
pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have
disappeared. End of story.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much
as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised
fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a
very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had
lots of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that
snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food.
I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just
park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the
conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens
would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot
of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
If that's the case, then so is the OCPIWH. bp On 12/6/2017 6:20 PM, Craig House wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL *From: *"Chuck McCown" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so > much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House > wrote: > >> Al Franken = injured chicken LOL >> >> -- >> *From: *"Chuck McCown" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political >> >> >> One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised >> fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in >> a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. >> He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. >> There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that >> snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from >> food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready >> for market. >> >> Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just >> park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall >> how they got water (this was 50 years ago). >> >> If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the >> conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other >> chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to >> death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them >> in. >> >> I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes. >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House wrote: > Al Franken = injured chicken LOL > > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political > > > One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised > fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in > a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. > He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. > There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that > snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from > food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready > for market. > > Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just > park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall > how they got water (this was 50 years ago). > > If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the > conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other > chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to > death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them > in. > > I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes. > >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Ahhh, this explains buffets.. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Al Franken = injured chicken LOL From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
Al Franken = injured chicken LOL - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
:) On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > You suck. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Sunday, November 12, 2017 3:13:30 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. > > I have a big problem with these "political teams". Far right, far > left. Demonizing one over the other depending on the team. > > Both sides have good ideas, both sides have bad ideas. > > We're Americans. We should be debating ideas and have honest > discussions about their merits and what they will cost us. We > shouldn't be demonizing people or instantly dismissing them because of > political lean or even a perceived political lean. That's what happens > in war, and that's what leads to war crimes. When you label them, you > dismiss and dehumanize. > > I'm really sick of this, but I don't see it getting better soon. > People have allowed themselves to become polarized to the detriment of > our nation. > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is > still > > Lent. > > > > But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. > > I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. > > > > (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf > attachments > > on this list.) > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
You suck. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 3:13:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. I have a big problem with these "political teams". Far right, far left. Demonizing one over the other depending on the team. Both sides have good ideas, both sides have bad ideas. We're Americans. We should be debating ideas and have honest discussions about their merits and what they will cost us. We shouldn't be demonizing people or instantly dismissing them because of political lean or even a perceived political lean. That's what happens in war, and that's what leads to war crimes. When you label them, you dismiss and dehumanize. I'm really sick of this, but I don't see it getting better soon. People have allowed themselves to become polarized to the detriment of our nation. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still > Lent. > > But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. > I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. > > (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf attachments > on this list.) >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
I have a big problem with these "political teams". Far right, far left. Demonizing one over the other depending on the team. Both sides have good ideas, both sides have bad ideas. We're Americans. We should be debating ideas and have honest discussions about their merits and what they will cost us. We shouldn't be demonizing people or instantly dismissing them because of political lean or even a perceived political lean. That's what happens in war, and that's what leads to war crimes. When you label them, you dismiss and dehumanize. I'm really sick of this, but I don't see it getting better soon. People have allowed themselves to become polarized to the detriment of our nation. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still > Lent. > > But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. > I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. > > (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf attachments > on this list.) >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
Cooperate and graduate. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. I'm a libertarian and my wife is a democratic socialist. It's been jokingly said that we should just not vote because our votes will cancel each other anyway. Even she doesn't buy into all the crap. There were points in her sociology class where she gave the correct answer even though it logically made no sense. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/9/2017 11:50:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. My youngest daughter is coming out of a social justice warrior phase she has been in for the past few years. She is 21 and now has a very steady boyfriend that I hope she marries. I have been lectured by her about some of the issues in this article. I understand the kids becoming idealistic. Not the faculty. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the middle class. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still Lent. But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf attachments on this list.)
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
I am a Tecate drinker y que? On Nov 9, 2017 11:01 AM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I'm a libertarian and my wife is a democratic socialist. It's been > jokingly said that we should just not vote because our votes will cancel > each other anyway. > > Even she doesn't buy into all the crap. There were points in her > sociology class where she gave the correct answer even though it logically > made no sense. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/9/2017 11:50:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. > > My youngest daughter is coming out of a social justice warrior phase she > has been in for the past few years. She is 21 and now has a very steady > boyfriend that I hope she marries. I have been lectured by her about some > of the issues in this article. > > I understand the kids becoming idealistic. Not the faculty. > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. > > I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free > speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. > Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the > middle class. > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is >> still Lent. >> >> But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. >> I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. >> >> (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf >> attachments on this list.) >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
I'm a libertarian and my wife is a democratic socialist. It's been jokingly said that we should just not vote because our votes will cancel each other anyway. Even she doesn't buy into all the crap. There were points in her sociology class where she gave the correct answer even though it logically made no sense. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/9/2017 11:50:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. My youngest daughter is coming out of a social justice warrior phase she has been in for the past few years. She is 21 and now has a very steady boyfriend that I hope she marries. I have been lectured by her about some of the issues in this article. I understand the kids becoming idealistic. Not the faculty. From:Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:45 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the middle class. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still Lent. But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf attachments on this list.)
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
Idealism is one thing, but attempting to suppress the speech of someone just because you disagree with them is about as "un-american" as it gets. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: > My youngest daughter is coming out of a social justice warrior phase she > has been in for the past few years. She is 21 and now has a very steady > boyfriend that I hope she marries. I have been lectured by her about some > of the issues in this article. > > I understand the kids becoming idealistic. Not the faculty. > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. > > I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free > speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. > Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the > middle class. > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is >> still Lent. >> >> But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. >> I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. >> >> (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf >> attachments on this list.) >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
My youngest daughter is coming out of a social justice warrior phase she has been in for the past few years. She is 21 and now has a very steady boyfriend that I hope she marries. I have been lectured by her about some of the issues in this article. I understand the kids becoming idealistic. Not the faculty. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political. I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the middle class. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still Lent. But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf attachments on this list.)
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political.
I don't think there is much in the way of politics there, stifling free speech is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on. Polarization is another huge issue, centrists are going the way of the middle class. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, Chuck McCown wrote: > Not trying to start any kind of argument here, and as I recall it is still > Lent. > > But this is one of the best articles I have read for a long time. > I wanted it to be hi rez as possible. Thus the rotation. > > (There is a pdf attachment. Sometimes some of you don’t get pdf > attachments on this list.) > >
