Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[David M]

Heck yeah ripped one of those out back on '03..

Looked like a hold my beer watch this moment LOL



On 5/30/2018 2:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
lynksees router in a rubbermaid container and lots of rtv.  Zip tie to 
power pole.

*From:* Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270…


Dennis

*From:*Af  *On Behalf Of *castarritt
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his 
tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
to the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  
He wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us 
charge every client that wants service separately. Also, this isn't a 
campground; his shortest lease term will be monthly.


While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted 
to.  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One 
potential complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g 
PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired 
service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 
100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within sight of 
our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.


We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet 
ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
suggestions.


Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 
sectors.  We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the 
cnPilot E501S looks interesting.


Thank you,

Chris Starritt

Western Broadband

supp...@ecpi.com

512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

You haven't been to a lot of campgrounds have you? There is always that guy
that poops everywhere. I'm not sure the rules, you may have to provide
toilets

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 3:53 PM  wrote:

> No poop.  I would give each pad a sewer connection.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> Lake Shelbyville is run by the corpse of engineers, managed by park
> services, really nice joint if you're in Illinois. Unlike private run ones,
> the poop is off the bathroom walls by noon.
> You like cleaning poop chuck? Cause that's also how you get to clean poop.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018, 10:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those
>> are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest
>> service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive
>> price-wise.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> > We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
>> > all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
>> > some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).
>> >
>> > Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
>> > but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.
>> >
>> > There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[chuck]

No poop.  I would give each pad a sewer connection.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

Lake Shelbyville is run by the corpse of engineers, managed by park services, 
really nice joint if you're in Illinois. Unlike private run ones, the poop is 
off the bathroom walls by noon.  
You like cleaning poop chuck? Cause that's also how you get to clean poop.

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 10:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those 
  are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest 
  service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive 
  price-wise.


  bp
  

  On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
  > We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
  > all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
  > some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).
  >
  > Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
  > but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.
  >
  > There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there
  >

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

Lake Shelbyville is run by the corpse of engineers, managed by park
services, really nice joint if you're in Illinois. Unlike private run ones,
the poop is off the bathroom walls by noon.
You like cleaning poop chuck? Cause that's also how you get to clean poop.

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 10:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those
> are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest
> service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive
> price-wise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
> > all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
> > some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).
> >
> > Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
> > but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.
> >
> > There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Bill Prince]

Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those 
are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest 
service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive 
price-wise.



bp


On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).

Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.

There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Bill Prince]

What he said.

We have paid between $15 and $60 depending. Since we have Senior passes, 
we get free entrance to national parks and get a 50% discount on camping 
in national parks. We also have a less generous deal with CA state parks.


Private campgrounds can be hit or miss depending on facilities, privacy, 
etc.



bp


On 5/31/2018 8:45 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
do you like liability and property damage? cause thats how you get 
liability and property damage


fees range from 5-25 for rustic no power/water/etc to 150/night 
depending on the park. but 30-50 is average with power and water


On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:40 AM, <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


What does a traveler expect to pay to park in one of these
places?  I have about 10 acres next to I-80 with water, power and
sewer already installed.  I could lay down some gravel and put up
a sign.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
industrial vending machine selling routers.
Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each
site post for future use, whether fiber or copper
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum 
wrote:

You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable
modems and wifi routers. But you could always rent them one,
or set up each ONT with a small wifi router already and give
them a choice.
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

Probably zero.


On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:

How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run
cat5/6 connections could be problematic.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum
 wrote:

Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put
a small box for the ONT on the same pole as the
electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
cable so they can drag it through a window and
call it a day. Rent them a cheap router if they
want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
running as a low powered AP and alternate
frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners
 wrote:

Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI...
customers buy "signal boosters" that run their
own DHCP server, or they see a very strong
signal to their booster and complain that
their service sucks (don't understand that the
signal from the booster to your network is
low). And there's interference from mobile
hotspots etc

I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines
everywhere with outdoor-grade ethernet
connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
protector on each line as it returns to your
switch). You can try offering some service
over wifi but tell customers that if they want
reliable speeds they need to hardwire.
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt
 wrote:

We were approached by a current subscriber
who is building an RV park with around
~100 pads, and he wants us to offer
service to his tenants.  This isn't the
typical situation where we would sell
service to the RV park, and they handle
distributing it to their customers.  He
wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself,
and will instead let us charge every
client that wants service separately.
Also, this isn't a campground; his
shortest lease term will be monthly.

While the park is under construction, he
is willing to let us lay conduit, so we
could provide wired service to each pad if
we wanted to. Alternatively, we could just
setup a bunch of wi-fi

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Larry Smith]

We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).

Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing 
but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.

There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Thu May 31 2018 10:40, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> What does a traveler expect to pay to park in one of these places?  I have
> about 10 acres next to I-80 with water, power and sewer already installed. 
> I could lay down some gravel and put up a sign.
>
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> industrial vending machine selling routers.
> Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post
> for future use, whether fiber or copper
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>   You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
> wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
> small wifi router already and give them a choice.
>
>   On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie
>  wrote:
>
> Probably zero.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>
>   How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>
>   From: Jason McKemie
>       Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
>   I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6
> connections could be problematic.
>
>   On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for
> the ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of
> ethernet cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent
> them a cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners
>  wrote:
>
>   Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>
>
>   I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
> they need to hardwire.
>
>
>   On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt
>  wrote:
>
> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an
> RV park with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his
> tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to
> the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants
> to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every
> client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his
> shortest lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us
> lay conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better
> control over spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor
> ethernet ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open
> to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have
> any equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was
> looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors. 
> We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S
> looks interesting.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

do you like liability and property damage? cause thats how you get
liability and property damage

fees range from 5-25 for rustic no power/water/etc to 150/night depending
on the park. but 30-50 is average with power and water

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:40 AM,  wrote:

> What does a traveler expect to pay to park in one of these places?  I have
> about 10 acres next to I-80 with water, power and sewer already installed.
> I could lay down some gravel and put up a sign.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> industrial vending machine selling routers.
> Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post
> for future use, whether fiber or copper
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
>> wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
>> small wifi router already and give them a choice.
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Probably zero.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>>>
>>>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>>>> could be problematic.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
>>>>> ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>>>>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>>>>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>>>>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>>>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong 
>>>>>> signal
>>>>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>>>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>>>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>>>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>>>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try 
>>>>>> offering
>>>>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable 
>>>>>> speeds
>>>>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV
>>>>>>> park with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his
>>>>>>> tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He 
>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>> to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every
>>>>>>> client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; 
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> shortest lease term will be monthly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a 
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>>>>>>> routers
>>>>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control
>>>>>>> over spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet
>>>>>>> ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to
>>>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>>>>> Western Broadband
>>>>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[chuck]

What does a traveler expect to pay to park in one of these places?  I have 
about 10 acres next to I-80 with water, power and sewer already installed.  I 
could lay down some gravel and put up a sign.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

industrial vending machine selling routers.  
Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post for 
future use, whether fiber or copper

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and wifi 
routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a small 
wifi router already and give them a choice.

  On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Probably zero. 


On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:

  How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

  I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections 
could be problematic.

  On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:

Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the 
ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet 
cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a cheap 
router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something running as a low 
powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.  




On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners  
wrote:

  Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal 
boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal to 
their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand that the 
signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's interference from 
mobile hotspots etc


  I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with 
outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge protector on 
each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering some service over 
wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds they need to hardwire.


  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  
wrote:

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV 
park with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  
This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, 
and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid 
providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants 
service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term 
will be monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  
Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential 
complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple 
hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more reliable 
for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't 
control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of 
nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control 
over spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports 
that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions. 

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at 
either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't 
used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.



Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

industrial vending machine selling routers.
Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post
for future use, whether fiber or copper

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
> wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
> small wifi router already and give them a choice.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably zero.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>>
>>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>>> could be problematic.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
>>>> ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>>>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>>>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>>>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>>>
>>>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable 
>>>>> speeds
>>>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every 
>>>>>> client
>>>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his 
>>>>>> shortest
>>>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>>>>>> routers
>>>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
>>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>>>> Western Broadband
>>>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
small wifi router already and give them a choice.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Probably zero.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>
>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>> could be problematic.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
>>> ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>>
>>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his 
>>>>> shortest
>>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>>>>> routers
>>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>>>>> looks
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>>> Western Broadband
>>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Bill Prince]

We usually just use our phones and/or a small laptop. All on WiFi. Cell 
service is usually spotty or non-existent where we camp.



bp


On 5/31/2018 7:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Jason McKemie]

Probably zero.

On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:

> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
> could be problematic.
>
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>
>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>
>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>> Western Broadband
>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[chuck]

How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections could be 
problematic.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT on 
the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet cable so 
they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a cheap router 
if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something running as a low 
powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.  




  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal boosters" 
that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal to their 
booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand that the signal 
from the booster to your network is low). And there's interference from mobile 
hotspots etc


I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with outdoor-grade 
ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge protector on each line as 
it returns to your switch). You can try offering some service over wifi but 
tell customers that if they want reliable speeds they need to hardwire.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

  We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This 
isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and 
they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing 
wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

  While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  
Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential 
complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple 
hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more reliable 
for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't 
control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of 
nightmares.

  We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that 
the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions. 

  Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at 
either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't 
used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.



  Thank you,

  Chris Starritt
  Western Broadband
  supp...@ecpi.com
  512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Josh Baird]

I would agree.  Using CAT5/CAT6 like this seems like it could be a
nightmare (lightning, etc).

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
> could be problematic.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
 with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
 This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
 park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
 avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
 that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
 lease term will be monthly.

 While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
 conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
 Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
 complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
 hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
 reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
 we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
 stuff of nightmares.

 We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
 spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
 that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

 Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
 equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
 at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
 haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
 interesting.


 Thank you,

 Chris Starritt
 Western Broadband
 supp...@ecpi.com
 512-257-1077

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Jason McKemie]

I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
could be problematic.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>
>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>> they need to hardwire.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>>
>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>
>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>
>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Chris Starritt
>>> Western Broadband
>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>> 512-257-1077
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Aren't they running power for RVs to each space, especially if these are
long term rentals?

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> ONT+NID takes space, also where do you get power for the ONT? Using 120V
> on the same pole is an option but I'd prefer not rely directly on
> (sometimes questionable) 120V power in such places, or putting a
> PoE-powered ONT.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
 with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
 This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
 park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
 avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
 that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
 lease term will be monthly.

 While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
 conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
 Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
 complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
 hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
 reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
 we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
 stuff of nightmares.

 We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
 spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
 that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

 Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
 equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
 at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
 haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
 interesting.


 Thank you,

 Chris Starritt
 Western Broadband
 supp...@ecpi.com
 512-257-1077

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Colin Stanners]

ONT+NID takes space, also where do you get power for the ONT? Using 120V on
the same pole is an option but I'd prefer not rely directly on (sometimes
questionable) 120V power in such places, or putting a PoE-powered ONT.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>
>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>> they need to hardwire.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>>
>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>
>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>
>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Chris Starritt
>>> Western Broadband
>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>> 512-257-1077
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.




On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>
> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
> they need to hardwire.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>
>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>> lease term will be monthly.
>>
>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>> stuff of nightmares.
>>
>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>
>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>> interesting.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris Starritt
>> Western Broadband
>> supp...@ecpi.com
>> 512-257-1077
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Colin Stanners]

Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal boosters"
that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal to their
booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand that the
signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's interference
from mobile hotspots etc

I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with outdoor-grade
ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge protector on each line
as it returns to your switch). You can try offering some service over wifi
but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds they need to hardwire.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
> around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
> isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
> they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
> providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
> wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
> lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
> so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
> recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
> doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
> any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[chuck]

lynksees router in a rubbermaid container and lots of rtv.  Zip tie to power 
pole.

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270… 

 

Dennis

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

 

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

 

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

 

Thank you,

 

Chris Starritt

Western Broadband

supp...@ecpi.com

512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

we have a campground running conduit from the tower where they get our
service to the middle of a campsite cluster to a pole theyre putting in. We
know we will put fiber in the conduit, thats as far as we have gotten. We
have the option to monetize, but instead are letting the campground mother
just handle tokens. looking at cambium if cnmaestro has an old lady
friendly interface for this side (just generate a token for x days and be
done, they said they probably wont monetize either) about all we will do is
put our *provided by logo on the splash page

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
> around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
> isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
> they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
> providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
> wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
> lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
> so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
> recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
> doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
> any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Dennis Burgess]

Also note, that Ethernet is not complicated, Hotspot it and go from there.  
Don’t forget to sell cards for internet access.  I.e. you put a small vending 
machine there that sells them 1 day or 7 days etc access.

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com<mailto:supp...@ecpi.com>
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Adam Moffett]

RV's are aluminum cans.  My experience with wifi to campers and RV's has 
not been positive.  Outdoor coverage is easy, getting it reliably into 
all the RV's is less easy.


If you don't run wires now while you can, then you'll regret it later 
IMO.  Ideally do both, there will be people who don't have a router and 
only have WiFi devices as options, and there will be people who really 
need it to work 100% of the time because they'll want to work out of the 
RV park, and for them you'll wish you had a wired option.


Somebody is presumably trenching for water and electric to these pads, 
so maybe you can lay a conduit next to the water lines while the trench 
is open.

-Adam



On 5/30/2018 2:07 PM, castarritt wrote:
We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his 
tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
to the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  
He wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us 
charge every client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a 
campground; his shortest lease term will be monthly.


While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted 
to.  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One 
potential complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g 
PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired 
service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 
100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within sight of 
our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.


We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet 
ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
suggestions.


Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 
sectors.  We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but 
the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.



Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com 
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Dennis Burgess]

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270…

Dennis

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com<mailto:supp...@ecpi.com>
512-257-1077

[AFMUG] RV park network design

[castarritt]

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
lease term will be monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.


Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com
512-257-1077