subject:"\[AFMUG\] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector\+Sync"

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-11 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

See the 26-Aug-2015 release here:
http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=4

-forrest

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Matt  wrote:

> We use EZ-cat connectors.  Often when plugging in the connector we briefly
> short it out on the metal of RJ45 jack.  It would be nice if the current
> trip would auto reset to.  Really looking forward to this product.  I think
> you should skip WispaAmerica and stay home and work on it. Lol.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> It will most likely have 4 power buses assuming I don't run out of
>> mechanical room - 2 for certain.  Max 12A per bus.  (So you can only power
>> 12 airfibers per bus, sorry...)
>>
>> You will be able to jumper which bus(es) you will use on each port.   And
>> my intent is to set it up so if you jumper more than one bus, it will work
>> in a redundant fashion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Say I have it powering 24 and 48 volt devices.  Will it have dual
>>> inputs, 24 and 48 or will it just have 48 volt input?  Do you need beta
>>> testers?  This will really clean up some of my busy sites.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-11 Thread Matt

We use EZ-cat connectors.  Often when plugging in the connector we briefly
short it out on the metal of RJ45 jack.  It would be nice if the current
trip would auto reset to.  Really looking forward to this product.  I think
you should skip WispaAmerica and stay home and work on it. Lol.


On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> It will most likely have 4 power buses assuming I don't run out of
> mechanical room - 2 for certain.  Max 12A per bus.  (So you can only power
> 12 airfibers per bus, sorry...)
>
> You will be able to jumper which bus(es) you will use on each port.   And
> my intent is to set it up so if you jumper more than one bus, it will work
> in a redundant fashion.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> Say I have it powering 24 and 48 volt devices.  Will it have dual inputs,
>> 24 and 48 or will it just have 48 volt input?  Do you need beta testers?
>> This will really clean up some of my busy sites.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>>> this elephant out of the room
>>>
>>>  So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
>>> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
>>> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>>> addition to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-11 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

It will most likely have 4 power buses assuming I don't run out of
mechanical room - 2 for certain.  Max 12A per bus.  (So you can only power
12 airfibers per bus, sorry...)

You will be able to jumper which bus(es) you will use on each port.   And
my intent is to set it up so if you jumper more than one bus, it will work
in a redundant fashion.



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Say I have it powering 24 and 48 volt devices.  Will it have dual inputs,
> 24 and 48 or will it just have 48 volt input?  Do you need beta testers?
> This will really clean up some of my busy sites.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-10 Thread Matt

Say I have it powering 24 and 48 volt devices.  Will it have dual inputs,
24 and 48 or will it just have 48 volt input?  Do you need beta testers?
This will really clean up some of my busy sites.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Will work just fine.   The 450i was actually the main delay in releasing
the new injectors. As I see George says... the current injectors work
well, and I was waiting until we had some in-field time to proceed with the
additional designs.

-forrest

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Darren Shea <darr...@ecpi.com> wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> How will this play with Cambium’s new PMP450i AP, which is supposed to
> be 802.3at compatible, but also can run with a modified 320/430 pinout?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync
>
>
>
> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>
>
>
> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>
>
>
> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
>
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
>
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>
>
>  So I need some input:
>
>
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
>
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
>
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
>
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
>
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Well, my memory apparently wasn't all that faulty  This is close enough
that unless you're running this in a very hot cabinet they should work.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I believe the max spec for the Lumina HP is about 55 watts. Slightly more
> than an AF24 at 50 watts (@ 50V). Maybe 56V would bring the current down a
> little. Forrest did say 1A max per port, which would be right on the edge
> for the AF24. So there has to be a little wiggle room in there. Hopefully.
>
> On 3/8/2016 10:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Tell me too
> On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt" < 
> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with
>>> a passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
>>> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
>>> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
>>> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
>>> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
>>> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>>>
>>> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
>>> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
>>> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
>>> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
>>> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
>>> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
>>> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt < 
>>> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
 Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
 replace in 6 port chunks too.

 ETA?  Really liking this product.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
> of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
> get this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port
> rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port.
> Per-port control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and
> other things built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of
> it comes down to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
> bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
> I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks 
> of
> 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**,

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

If those are the ones which use standard PoE, they should.

The question being the wattage.   I think some of them are about 55W.   The
magnetics I use are rated 1A total across the magnetic.   But that's at
high temperatures.   If they're just over 1A (aka 48W@48V or 56W@56V, you
should be fine).

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
>> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
>> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
>> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
>> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
>> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
>> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>>
>> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
>> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
>> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
>> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
>> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
>> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
>> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
>>> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
>>> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>>>
>>> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread SmarterBroadband

Yep, we use those for POEs held down with zip ties.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

The great thing about those ventilated shallow rack shelves is that you can 
aggressively ziptie stuff down onto them, to keep it in place even when cables 
are pushed/pulled/wiggled, connected and disconnected.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using where we 
dont have DIN, 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

How about one of these:  
http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS

And a roll of this:  
http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts from our 
existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of a sitemnitor, 
and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker, id be pig in shit 
happy.

If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and you 
could keep the housings

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread George Skorup

The current GigE SyncInjector works without any modifications such as 
pinout. Standard Canopy POE pinout works fine. Feed it 48-56v and plug 
it in. Not enough current to run anything off of the aux port though.


I really wish they would've made the 450i take 20-56VDC. By all 
accounts, it doesn't pull any more power than a 3.6 450AP (about 15-18 
watts). But oh well.


On 3/9/2016 10:25 AM, Darren Shea wrote:


Forrest,

How will this play with Cambium’s new PMP450i AP, which is supposed to 
be 802.3at compatible, but also can run with a modified 320/430 pinout?


Thanks,

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest 
Christian (List Account)

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned. Anything which will work with 
a passive power injector. Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios 
(oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and 
other radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end 
up breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high 
end microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their 
own special injector which does everything under the sun.


ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 
30 days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 
4 port injector released to production.   After that happens, we're 
going to try to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 
port version of the 'din mountable' injector. Assuming that works 
well, we're looking at probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 
12 port and the rackmount unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to 
spin a board.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP, 
Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able 
to replace in 6 port chunks too.


ETA?  Really liking this product.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which 
we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.


Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number 
of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and 
hopefully get this elephant out of the room


 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port 
rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per 
port. Per-port control of power and sync. Probably some redundant 
power and other things built in, but I'm still nailing those details 
down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front panel of the 
enclosure).


PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design 
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know 
I try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market 
will bear.


The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most 
I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 
blocks of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd 
replace 6 at a time).


Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller 
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.


I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for 
$800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it 
make sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead 
of or in addition to this?



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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread Darren Shea

Forrest,

How will this play with Cambium’s new PMP450i AP, which is supposed to be 
802.3at compatible, but also can run with a modified 320/430 pinout?

 

Thanks,

n  Darren

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

 

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a 
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly 
pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which 
try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking compatibility 
as a result - for instance some of the high end microwave radios which don't do 
true PoE but instead rely on their own special injector which does everything 
under the sun.

 

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30 days or 
so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port injector 
released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try to 
simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din 
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at probably 
around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount unit.  But, 
this all can slip if we need to spin a board.

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP, Mimosa 
and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to replace in 6 
port chunks too.

 

ETA?  Really liking this product.

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 

 So I need some input:

 

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

 

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

 

The main questions I have for the list are:

 

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

 

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

 

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

 




 

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown

There are other injectors that will power a SAF.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 9:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

I believe the max spec for the Lumina HP is about 55 watts. Slightly more than 
an AF24 at 50 watts (@ 50V). Maybe 56V would bring the current down a little. 
Forrest did say 1A max per port, which would be right on the edge for the AF24. 
So there has to be a little wiggle room in there. Hopefully.

On 3/8/2016 10:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  Tell me too

  On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina? 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

  Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a 
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly 
pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which 
try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking compatibility 
as a result - for instance some of the high end microwave radios which don't do 
true PoE but instead rely on their own special injector which does everything 
under the sun. 

  ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30 
days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port 
injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try to 
simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din 
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at probably 
around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount unit.  But, 
this all can slip if we need to spin a board.

  On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP, 
Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to 
replace in 6 port chunks too. 

ETA?  Really liking this product.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

  Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.  

  We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer 
which we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

  Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number 
of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get 
this elephant out of the room  

  So I need some input:

  The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port 
rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. 
Per-port control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other 
things built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes 
down to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

  PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design 
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to 
price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

  The main questions I have for the list are:

  Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the 
most I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks 
of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a 
time).   

  Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller 
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

  I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version 
for $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make 
sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in 
addition to this?   

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 
59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

  -- 

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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread George Skorup

I believe the max spec for the Lumina HP is about 55 watts. Slightly 
more than an AF24 at 50 watts (@ 50V). Maybe 56V would bring the current 
down a little. Forrest did say 1A max per port, which would be right on 
the edge for the AF24. So there has to be a little wiggle room in there. 
Hopefully.

On 3/8/2016 10:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Tell me too

On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt" > wrote:

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned. Anything which will
work with a passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:
 Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly pinned power not compatible
with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which try to do
everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking
compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on
their own special injector which does everything under the sun.

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.  
The next 30 days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and

trying to get the new 4 port injector released to production.
  After that happens, we're going to try to simultaneously
work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking
at probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and
the rackmount unit. But, this all can slip if we need to spin
a board.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt
> wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450,
PMP450i, ePMP, Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?
Really like idea of being able to replace in 6 port chunks
too.

ETA?  Really liking this product.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account) > wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally
happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure
manufacturer which we can work with. Domestic. Product
looks decent.  Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here,
such as number of ports, so I can get some enclosures
cut and boards made and hopefully get this elephant
out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a
18 port rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning
jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of power
and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other
things built in, but I'm still nailing those details
down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front
panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get
the design completed I won't know what I can sell this
for - as many of  you know I try to price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking
like about the most I can fit based on front panel
dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd
replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much
any smaller quantities of ports which are divisible by
4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18
port version for $800 is the only version of this I
should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of
or in addition to this?

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

The standard packetflux daisy chain capability is a must. Let us add
existing joints to the assembly brother. And also that blank mount for the
guts of the r port existing, and the packetflux screwdiverz, and popcorn,
and a pony that poops out unicorns
On Mar 8, 2016 5:44 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> What we have at most sites is a SiteMonitor Base and an injector or two of
> some time. A couple old 4 ports, an 8 port, or a 4 port + SyncInjector,
> etc. So a "couple" expansion modules is probably enough in most cases. A
> few newer sites have the 5ch PDUs + 2 relay / 3 switch. One site has the
> temperature controller module.
>
> So, on the rack mount unit, if you could give me an expansion bus to add
> the 2-relay / 3 switch module to monitor the DC UPS, or to add the temp
> control module, etc, that would be awesome. Another idea is a third voltage
> input for watching utility power with a dumb little power supply. It
> wouldn't need to power anything, just monitoring only.
>
> The other thing is shunts. I have some sites with shunts on the DC UPS
> battery negative side so that when I get a utility outage alarm, I can
> confirm that the site is running on battery. I've had numerous situations
> where I get a utility restore alarm, but we're still on battery, because
> the utility voltage is still <100VAC. That's so annoying, but at least with
> the shunts I know what's going on.
>
> On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, just
> ignore this reply or the other one...
>
> My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP MIB
> which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit easier
> management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for those of
> you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided about this
> yet.
>
> I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I
> haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always
>> cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.
>>
>> This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
>> imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
>> consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.
>>
>> I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack
>> mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get rid
>> of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.
>>
>> Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same
>> chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. Unless
>> you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator controller?
>>
>> On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Tell me too
On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
>> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
>> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
>> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
>> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
>> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
>> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>>
>> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
>> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
>> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
>> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
>> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
>> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
>> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
>>> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
>>> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>>>
>>> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

Forest,

Rack mount is preferable in my mind since we use a rack at just about every 
site. Even the most remote sites get a box with a rack inside. That said a half 
size / half price unit would be preferable at our smaller sites over a din 
unit. We would use the larger units at main sites and the smaller units at the 
rest. I could see pulling out the older sync injectors that are daisy chained 
together at all the sites and standardizing on rack mount units. Especially if 
you are going to have a web interface to the monitoring. 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net/> 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

 

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?

 

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a 
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly 
pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which 
try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking compatibility 
as a result - for instance some of the high end microwave radios which don't do 
true PoE but instead rely on their own special injector which does everything 
under the sun.

 

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30 days or 
so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port injector 
released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try to 
simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din 
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at probably 
around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount unit.  But, 
this all can slip if we need to spin a board.

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP, Mimosa 
and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to replace in 6 
port chunks too.

 

ETA?  Really liking this product.

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 

 So I need some input:

 

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

 

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

 

The main questions I have for the list are:

 

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

 

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

 

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

 




 

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Matt

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>
> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
>> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
>> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>>
>> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>>> this elephant out of the room
>>>
>>>  So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
>>> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
>>> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>>> addition to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread George Skorup

What we have at most sites is a SiteMonitor Base and an injector or two 
of some time. A couple old 4 ports, an 8 port, or a 4 port + 
SyncInjector, etc. So a "couple" expansion modules is probably enough in 
most cases. A few newer sites have the 5ch PDUs + 2 relay / 3 switch. 
One site has the temperature controller module.


So, on the rack mount unit, if you could give me an expansion bus to add 
the 2-relay / 3 switch module to monitor the DC UPS, or to add the temp 
control module, etc, that would be awesome. Another idea is a third 
voltage input for watching utility power with a dumb little power 
supply. It wouldn't need to power anything, just monitoring only.


The other thing is shunts. I have some sites with shunts on the DC UPS 
battery negative side so that when I get a utility outage alarm, I can 
confirm that the site is running on battery. I've had numerous 
situations where I get a utility restore alarm, but we're still on 
battery, because the utility voltage is still <100VAC. That's so 
annoying, but at least with the shunts I know what's going on.


On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, 
just ignore this reply or the other one...


My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP 
MIB which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit 
easier management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for 
those of you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided 
about this yet.


I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I 
haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is
always cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be
fine with me.

This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.

I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this
rack mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will
let me get rid of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So
I'm in.

Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in
the same chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely
be needed. Unless you're designing this more like the stand-alone
generator controller?

On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer
which we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price
is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as
number of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made
and hopefully get this elephant out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port
rackmount power injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable
per port. Per-port control of power and sync. Probably some
redundant power and other things built in, but I'm still nailing
those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front
panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you
know I try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the
market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the
most I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds
to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace
it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port
version for $800 is the only version of this I should make or
carry, or does it make sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port
version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

 







--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Eric Kuhnke

The great thing about those ventilated shallow rack shelves is that you can
aggressively ziptie stuff down onto them, to keep it in place even when
cables are pushed/pulled/wiggled, connected and disconnected.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
> where we dont have DIN,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>>
>> And a roll of this:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>>> id be pig in shit happy.
>>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>>> you could keep the housings
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
(oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
special injector which does everything under the sun.

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:

> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>
> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

I could buy them from amazon, bundle them, and sell them to you with a nice
markup for me  ;)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
> where we dont have DIN,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>>
>> And a roll of this:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>>> id be pig in shit happy.
>>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>>> you could keep the housings
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

unless theres exposed components that could easily be damaged, would there
need to be a cover? These are intended to be in an an enclosure?  If you
could get these pressed in such a way that the housin would hold the APC
blanks for the WB cards, I think at this point we all have 2.3 billion of
those things laying around

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, just
ignore this reply or the other one...

My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP MIB
which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit easier
management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for those of
you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided about this
yet.

I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I
haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always
> cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.
>
> This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
> imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
> consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.
>
> I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack mount
> for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get rid of all
> the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.
>
> Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same
> chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. Unless
> you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator controller?
>
> On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com |  
> http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Matt

Leave them open.  If it really bothers someone there is wide black tape.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
where we dont have DIN,



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> How about one of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>
> And a roll of this:
> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>> id be pig in shit happy.
>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>> you could keep the housings
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>>> this elephant out of the room
>>>
>>>  So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
>>> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
>>> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>>> addition to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown

1)You get what you pay for, and part of what you are paying for is customer 
service.  See if UBNT will jump on here and interact with a customer like 
Forest does.
2)Never hurts to buy USA made equipment.
3)Commodity stuff that arrives on a container will NEVER be the same 
quality as small lots individually hand tested by the people that have designed 
and built them.
4)Almost everyone on here is a small business.  Nice to support small 
businesses.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:52 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

It's hard for me to compete with the ubnt and netonix products, mainly because 
of volume differences.   There are also some key design and customer RMA 
philosophy differences which increase costs - I really don't feel like it's 
right to cut corners which significantly decrease reliability, and then refuse 
to warranty products because the design was damaged by static, or a short, or 
similar - all of which should be survivable.   High-current lightning strikes?  
Maybe not... 

Like you pointed out though I think I'm in the right price range, especially If 
I can do a better job of describing the differences here.   I also am working 
hard on getting that price down.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com> wrote:

  18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site. I 
could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs were 
connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.



  On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete with 
the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+ ports. 
But it does lack several features you provide.



  The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95



  So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about 
double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.



  I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported more 
voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power options 
that both of those devices lacked.



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
  To: af <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync



  Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 



  We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.



  Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of 
ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  



  So I need some input:



  The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).



  PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.



  The main questions I have for the list are:



  Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   



  Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities 
of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   



  I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 
is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to 
sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to 
this?   








  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

  
   







-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

It's hard for me to compete with the ubnt and netonix products, mainly
because of volume differences.   There are also some key design and
customer RMA philosophy differences which increase costs - I really don't
feel like it's right to cut corners which significantly decrease
reliability, and then refuse to warranty products because the design was
damaged by static, or a short, or similar - all of which should be
survivable.   High-current lightning strikes?  Maybe not...

Like you pointed out though I think I'm in the right price range,
especially If I can do a better job of describing the differences here.   I
also am working hard on getting that price down.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com> wrote:

> 18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site.
> I could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs
> were connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.
>
>
>
> On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete
> with the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+
> ports. But it does lack several features you provide.
>
>
>
> The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95
>
>
>
> So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about
> double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.
>
>
>
> I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported
> more voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power
> options that both of those devices lacked.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync
>
>
>
> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
>
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
>
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>
>
>  So I need some input:
>
>
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
>
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
>
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
>
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
>
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread George Skorup

Popcorn!

On 3/8/2016 2:46 PM, Jeremy wrote:

A blank cover plate?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:

I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes
what to do with the empty holes?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin > wrote:

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand
to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure
manufacturer which we can
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as
number of ports,
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
get this
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port
rackmount power
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port.
Per-port control of
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things
built in, but
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
to space on the
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design
completed I won't
know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to
price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about
the most I can fit
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks
of 6 ports (if
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any
smaller quantities of
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port
version for $800 is
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it
make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

<

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Which involves bending, cutting, providing a mounting method, and so on.
It's amazing how much a little piece of metal will cost.

But yeah, that's what I'm thinking if I go down that path.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> A blank cover plate?
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
>> do with the empty holes?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>>
>>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>>> capacity.
>>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can
>>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports,
>>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>>> elephant out of the room
>>>
>>> So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power
>>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of
>>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>>> but
>>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>>> the
>>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>>> I won't
>>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price
>>> things at a
>>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit
>>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>>> (if
>>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of
>>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is
>>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense
>>> to sell
>>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>>> this?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>
>>> <
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Jeremy

A blank cover plate?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to do
with the empty holes?



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
> capacity.
> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>
> Roland
>
> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can
> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports,
> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
> elephant out of the room
>
> So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power
> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control
> of
> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
> but
> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
> the
> front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I
> won't
> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
> at a
> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can
> fit
> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
> (if
> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of
> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is
> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
> sell
> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
> this?
>
> --
>
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

How about one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS

And a roll of this:
http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
> id be pig in shit happy.
> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
> you could keep the housings
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Peter Kranz

18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site. I 
could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs were 
connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.

 

On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete with 
the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+ ports. 
But it does lack several features you provide.

 

The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95

 

So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about 
double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.

 

I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported more 
voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power options 
that both of those devices lacked.

 

Peter Kranz
 <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

 

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 

 So I need some input:

 

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

 

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

 

The main questions I have for the list are:

 

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

 

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

 

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

 




 

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Paul McCall

+1

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roland Houin
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:16 PM
To: afmug
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things 
at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can fit 
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if 
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread George Skorup

I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always 
cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.


This really comes down to being able to power just about anything 
imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power 
consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.


I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack 
mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get 
rid of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.


Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same 
chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. 
Unless you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator 
controller?


On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which 
we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.


Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number 
of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and 
hopefully get this elephant out of the room


 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port 
rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per 
port. Per-port control of power and sync. Probably some redundant 
power and other things built in, but I'm still nailing those details 
down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front panel of the 
enclosure).


PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design 
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know 
I try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market 
will bear.


The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most 
I can fit based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 
blocks of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd 
replace 6 at a time).


Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller 
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.


I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for 
$800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it 
make sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead 
of or in addition to this?




--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Roland Houin

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports,
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I won't
know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can fit
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

<

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts from
our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of a
sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker, id
be pig in shit happy.
If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
you could keep the housings

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

2016-03-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
this elephant out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800
is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense
to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
addition to this?



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

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