Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Cameron Crum 
Sounds like an opportunity to become a licensed repair and maintenance
facility ;)

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been
> reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the
> real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:
>
> http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/
>
> I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3.
> They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for
> $80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a $35,000
> - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car companies will
> have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3 years, and people
> would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the same. :)
>
> The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they are
> going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their books.
> Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.
>
> I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone,
> ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself has
> to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it running.
> Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business the next
> year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth $10,000 overnight.
> :(
>
> Travis
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Jason McKemie 
Mass production on the model 3 is what will make the difference - it's not
really accurate to compare it to the model S. The production capacity they
have at their plant is nothing to scoff at either.

On Sunday, April 3, 2016, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been
> reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the
> real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:
>
> http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/
>
> I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3.
> They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for
> $80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a $35,000
> - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car companies will
> have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3 years, and people
> would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the same. :)
>
> The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they are
> going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their books.
> Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.
>
> I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone,
> ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself has
> to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it running.
> Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business the next
> year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth $10,000 overnight.
> :(
>
> Travis
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Ken Hohhof 
You’ve got to give Musk credit for building actual THINGS, rather than apps and 
social media websites and games.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TSLA


How many dot com companies are profitable again?  Oh...right 

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- Reply message -
From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] TSLA
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 2016 4:11 PM


Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been reading 
up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the real numbers 
that even Tesla isn't talking about:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3. They 
already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for $80,000... 
there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a $35,000 - $40,000 car. 
The other issue is that all the major car companies will have their own fully 
electric cars out in the next 2-3 years, and people would rather own a BMW or 
Mercedes if the price is the same. :)

The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they are going 
to make it work with all the debt they already have on their books. Hopefully 
this doesn't become another Enron company.

I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone, ever... 
but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself has to keep 
putting his own money into the company just to keep it running. Imagine buying 
a $40,000 car and having them go out of business the next year... no warranty, 
no service... the car becomes worth $10,000 overnight. :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Nate Burke 
I was wondering who had been paying the rent on that warehouse for the 
last 20 years.  Or is it like one of those abandoned factories, and 
nobody happened to find it?


On 4/3/2016 6:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So it can join the DeLorean?  Isn't there a company going to make 
those again?  Minus the Doc Brown mods.



-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TSLA

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been
reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the
real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3.
They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for
$80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a
$35,000 - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car
companies will have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3
years, and people would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the
same. :)

The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they
are going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their
books. Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.

I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone,
ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself
has to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it
running. Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business
the next year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth
$10,000 overnight. :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Ken Hohhof 
So it can join the DeLorean?  Isn't there a company going to make those 
again?  Minus the Doc Brown mods.



-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TSLA

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been
reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the
real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3.
They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for
$80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a
$35,000 - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car
companies will have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3
years, and people would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the
same. :)

The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they
are going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their
books. Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.

I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone,
ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself
has to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it
running. Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business
the next year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth
$10,000 overnight. :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Nate Burke 
I thought I heard somewhere that Elon was hours away from closing Tesla 
because he ran out of money, then he won the SpaceX contract and was 
able to funnel that money into Tesla to keep it afloat.


On 4/3/2016 5:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


How many dot com companies are profitable again?  Oh...right

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] TSLA
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 2016 4:11 PM

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been reading 
up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the real numbers 
that even Tesla isn't talking about:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3. They 
already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for $80,000... 
there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a $35,000 - $40,000 car. 
The other issue is that all the major car companies will have their own fully 
electric cars out in the next 2-3 years, and people would rather own a BMW or 
Mercedes if the price is the same. :)

The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they are going 
to make it work with all the debt they already have on their books. Hopefully 
this doesn't become another Enron company.

I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone, ever... 
but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself has to keep 
putting his own money into the company just to keep it running. Imagine buying 
a $40,000 car and having them go out of business the next year... no warranty, 
no service... the car becomes worth $10,000 overnight. :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 
How many dot com companies are profitable again?  Oh...right 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] TSLA
Date: Sun, Apr 3, 2016 4:11 PM

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been reading 
up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the real numbers 
that even Tesla isn't talking about:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3. They 
already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for $80,000... 
there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a $35,000 - $40,000 car. 
The other issue is that all the major car companies will have their own fully 
electric cars out in the next 2-3 years, and people would rather own a BMW or 
Mercedes if the price is the same. :)

The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they are going 
to make it work with all the debt they already have on their books. Hopefully 
this doesn't become another Enron company.

I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone, ever... 
but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself has to keep 
putting his own money into the company just to keep it running. Imagine buying 
a $40,000 car and having them go out of business the next year... no warranty, 
no service... the car becomes worth $10,000 overnight. :(

Travis

[AFMUG] TSLA

2016-04-03 Thread Travis Johnson 

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been 
reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the 
real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:


http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3. 
They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for 
$80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a 
$35,000 - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car 
companies will have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3 
years, and people would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the 
same. :)


The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they 
are going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their 
books. Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.


I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone, 
ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself 
has to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it 
running. Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business 
the next year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth 
$10,000 overnight. :(


Travis