[AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I'm going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Josh Reynolds]

Be prepared to drop a lot of coin for LTE.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:27 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jaime Solorza]

Not sure who is shipping LTE products in those bands yet but WISP friend of
mine has an AF2x shooting just under 5 miles working exceptionally well..

On Oct 2, 2017 8:27 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Nathan Anderson]

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I'm going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.



-- Nathan



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?



I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
might be out there.



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

*4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*



*“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Mike Hammett]

He's wanting PtP for the NLOS benefits it provides. 

I've seen PtP LTE products, but I can't remember where. I'd be looking towards 
the cell backhaul guys. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz? 


Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad. 


On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" < nath...@fsr.com > wrote: 





I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence. 

-- Nathan 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz? 


I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees. I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart 

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Tarana Wireless

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike 
Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

He's wanting PtP for the NLOS benefits it provides.

I've seen PtP LTE products, but I can't remember where. I'd be looking towards 
the cell backhaul guys.



-
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________
From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about 1Ž2 mile of trees.  I’m going to 
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might 
be out there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Mathew Howard]

I've never heard of an LTE product that's made specifically for PTP, but if
there are actually such things, then that's a different story.

Typical WISPish LTE gear, like say, Baicells or Telrad has limitations that
are going to make it not very desirable for a single PTP link (or a few PTP
links, for that matter) - no bridge mode, needing an LTE core, and that
kind of thing.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Josh Reynolds]

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Steve Jones]

You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave the
chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre masterbating.
In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise,
>> which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2
>> and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations
>> but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not
>> the problem on this project, just performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
>> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
>> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
>> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
>> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
>> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going
>> to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
>> might be out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>>
>>
>>
>> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
>> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Colin Stanners]

I need to find my Steve quotes file as that definitely belongs in there.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You can masturbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you move the
> chicken in your hand when you screw it doesn't mean you're masturbating.
> In other words use equipment as it is intended.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a
>> design around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise,
>>> which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2
>>> and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations
>>> but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not
>>> the problem on this project, just performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there
>>> for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could
>>> make it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably
>>> be the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
>>> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
>>> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
>>> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going
>>> to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
>>> might be out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street •
>>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players
>>> with the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Adam Moffett]

That's a very colorful metaphor.

LTE might help with tree issues, but it comes with a lot of baggage.  If 
there's a PTP product that simplifies the situation I might actually be 
interested too.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 10:42:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?


You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave 
the chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre 
masterbating.

In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a 
design around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.


On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, 
which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.




I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism 
AC2 and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth 
limitations but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   
Budget is also not the problem on this project, just performance.




Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there 
for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?




Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could 
make it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would 
probably be the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be 
dealing with an actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, 
airfiber is probably the best option, but if there's a low noise 
floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could also be an option 
if noise isn't too bad.




On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.



-- Nathan



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?




I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m 
going to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE 
products that might be out there.




Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040


602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players 
with the best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks.  I just sent them an email.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Tarana Wireless

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike 
Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

He's wanting PtP for the NLOS benefits it provides.

I've seen PtP LTE products, but I can't remember where. I'd be looking towards 
the cell backhaul guys.


-
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________
From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?
Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about 1Ž2 mile of trees.  I'm going to 
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might 
be out there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
* Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, I’m not even sure where to go with this 😊.  LTE is ideally suited for this 
type of NLOS application over 802.11 or any of the other PHY Layers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave the 
chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre masterbating.
In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Josh Reynolds]

So drop everything in LTE but the phy layer.

..





Ok.

On Oct 3, 2017 12:04 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jaime Solorza]

Watched some of the Tarana Wireless videos.  Reminds me of Orthogan videos
and that other company with 5GHz Nlos 800Mbps product that was around
8500.00...i shared pictures and stuff From Tessco show ...two years ago

On Oct 3, 2017 11:04 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, yes, and if there is such a thing I'd be very interested in it as
well... but I suspect that if they do exist they're probably going to be
way out of my price range anyway.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

When you are the only game in town, you pay it.  If it solves my problem, then 
it’s worth it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:33 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Well, yes, and if there is such a thing I'd be very interested in it as well... 
but I suspect that if they do exist they're probably going to be way out of my 
price range anyway.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

The Tanana products take Orthogon’s original technology to the next level.  
Each link has 16 radios in them going in the same direction.  It’s great for 
high-interference and nlos with lots of multi-pathing.  It isn’t great for pure 
blockage like trees in which there is no mult-ipathing.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Watched some of the Tarana Wireless videos.  Reminds me of Orthogan videos and 
that other company with 5GHz Nlos 800Mbps product that was around 8500.00...i 
shared pictures and stuff From Tessco show ...two years ago

On Oct 3, 2017 11:04 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jaime Solorza]

Years ago, when M900 first came out I used them to connect cameras at
school district in places where we had no LAN drops.  The water company had
a line break and while digging to get at line they cut our fiber.  This
link provided phone, data and Internet to district office, elementary and
maintenance department.  I moved an M900 with dual yagis to district office
and got us back on line for a day while fiber got fixed by contractor.  I
set them at 20MHz and connected at little over a hundred.  Never had a
chance to test what real speed was but phones worked and emails went in and
out.  Link was about 2 miles with few trees but not many in path.  Those
are still used for cameras but in 5MHz channels.  Worth a try.

On Oct 3, 2017 4:49 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> The Tanana products take Orthogon’s original technology to the next
> level.  Each link has 16 radios in them going in the same direction.  It’s
> great for high-interference and nlos with lots of multi-pathing.  It isn’t
> great for pure blockage like trees in which there is no mult-ipathing.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Watched some of the Tarana Wireless videos.  Reminds me of Orthogan videos
> and that other company with 5GHz Nlos 800Mbps product that was around
> 8500.00...i shared pictures and stuff From Tessco show ...two years ago
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 11:04 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa C5C
have considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not something
with conversion circuitry involved.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

I don’t think they are going to move on 2.4GHz.  We will be testing the 
Ubiquiti 2.4GHz radios shortly though.

In a PTP, the M900 isn’t bad.  I’ve got plans for 900MHz on the tower anyway, 
Cambium, so I’m thinking I’m going to set up a second Cambium 450 900MHz AP as 
my backup.  I can’t remember though, will the 450 do a 20MHz channel in 900Mhz?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa C5C have 
considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not something with 
conversion circuitry involved.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jerry Head]

5,7,10 and 20 mhz are available on the PMP 450 900.

On 10/4/2017 12:17 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I don’t think they are going to move on 2.4GHz.  We will be testing 
the Ubiquiti 2.4GHz radios shortly though.


In a PTP, the M900 isn’t bad.  I’ve got plans for 900MHz on the tower 
anyway, Cambium, so I’m thinking I’m going to set up a second Cambium 
450 900MHz AP as my backup.  I can’t remember though, will the 450 do 
a 20MHz channel in 900Mhz?


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there 
for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?


I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa 
C5C have considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not 
something with conversion circuitry involved.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m 
going to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE 
products that might be out there.


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37&entry=gmail&source=g>^th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040*


*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>*

*www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*

**

/“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players 
with the best team that wins!”/— Humphrey Bogart