Re: [AFMUG] outbound spam filtering company

2015-08-11 Thread Graham McMillan
I've used Mailchannels at several different companies, with one installation 
that does over 60 million outbound emails per month. I've run my own mail 
relays and know the pain of trying to prevent a few bad apples from ruining 
your sending reputation for the good senders. After using Mailchannels I don't 
think I'll ever waste time running my own outbound relays anymore. The amount 
of work required is not worth it anymore and I'd rather be spending time on 
other things.

The best part of Mailchannels is that it segments reputation by the individual 
sender email/domain instead of by IP/server. So one bad sender won't affect 
mail delivery for another sender that is sending legitimate mail. I don't know 
all of the behind-the-scenes technical details, but my understanding is that 
they segment relays so you get a different pool of IPs based on your historical 
reputation; good senders will get the A+ relays and questionable senders with 
frequent complaints will be pooled with other bad actors until proven 
otherwise. They also have access to a lot of aggregated data about spammers and 
patterns that I'm sure helps them stop malicious behavior quicker than 
something you'd be running yourself.

On top of that, they've put a lot of work into creating some solid reporting 
and web based tools to get more visibility into where mail is coming from and 
what might need closer inspection.

If you want to chat more about it, feel free to drop me an email. I'll be the 
first to say that I was skeptical about outsourcing this part of our 
infrastructure, but now that I've been using it for over a year in several 
different capacities, I regret not switching earlier given the time wasted 
running relays, rotating IPs, pleading with blacklisting companies to remove 
us, etc.

[AFMUG] outbound spam filtering company

2015-08-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

I saw this company mentioned in a Krebs On Security article.

http://www.mailchannels.com/

Probably not too many of us do enough hosting business that we have to worry 
about signing up a spammer who trashes the reputation of our IP blocks.  I 
do get a few unsolicited requests per year from people wanting to pay big 
bucks for hosting and specifying they want a big block of virgin IP 
addresses.  What could go wrong?


Even so, we all have trouble with blacklisting from time to time.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked into this company or have knowledge 
about them (or similar services)?


Certainly inbound spam filtering is not perfect, I wonder how outbound 
filtering can be?  How would it know that my farm co-op customer is just 
sending out crop news blasts to their members?  I guess there is additional 
info like SMTP rejection codes, blacklists and honeypots and feedback loops. 
But can they really promise you will never get blacklisted?  Maybe if you 
relay through them, their mailservers are trusted by the big guys.  Like I 
assume the big guys all whitelist each other so that GMail, AOL, Yahoo, 
Hotmail, etc. don't filter or blacklist each other.