Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Mike Hammett 
I've got 4 on a laptop, 8 on two desktops, 8 on a laptop and 32 on a desktop. 
Runs great. The laptop with 4 is just used for putting things onto my TV. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:35:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall 


Single best upgrade to any system is increasing RAM to as much as you can. My 
Win10 machines have between 8 and 12 GB. Depending on what you typically do, 
either would be adequate. I surely wouldn't go below 8 GB. I find ~~ 6GB is a 
typical commit level. 
bp
 
On 12/13/2016 8:13 AM, Jeremy wrote: 



How much RAM do you have? My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth. It 
takes like 2GB just to run. 


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 



I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog since 
the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times when 
I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to 
sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before 
showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it has 
sucked so far. 


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 



Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s almost 
starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;) 


 







On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 


Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it 
stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia 


On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
wrote: 






I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard 
drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to the 
new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. Then all 
I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing 
to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're already there. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 





holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few years 
old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that went 
through the free upgrade. 
i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb 
this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant for 
keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap 
touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft sign 
in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet 
Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft 


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Mike Hammett 
Every Windows 10 install I have is quite snappy. I'd suspect something with the 
upgrade. Upgrades are generally never good. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:48:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall 


I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog since 
the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times when 
I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to 
sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before 
showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it has 
sucked so far. 


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 



Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s almost 
starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;) 


 







On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 


Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it 
stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia 


On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
wrote: 




I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard 
drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to the 
new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. Then all 
I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing 
to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're already there. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 





holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few years 
old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that went 
through the free upgrade. 
i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb 
this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant for 
keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap 
touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft sign 
in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet 
Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Cameron Crum 
It only hibernates when unplugged or if you close the lid while powered on.
Still a major pain to wait that long. It actually boots from off faster
than coming out of hibernation.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I used to do that until SSDs. The IOPs on rotation was too high for
> indexing and would impact performance. It doesn't impact things nearly as
> much on flash based storage, so I now leave it on.
>
> On Dec 13, 2016 11:16 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I've been disabling the indexing service since they first added it (98?
>> XP?).  I never saw the point of slowing down the system at all times in
>> order to speed up a search feature that I only use occasionally.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 12/13/2016 12:14:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>>
>>
>> I used to have to kill indexing all the time on whatever we had before 10
>> (7 or 8 I guess).  Not a problem with 10.  I think it must monitor
>> resources and slow or stop indexing when other more important things are
>> happening.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>>
>> It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the
>> issues about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with
>> hibernation and everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. Just
>> haven't had much time to mess with it.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi
>>> devices.  I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.
>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/w
>>> indows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html
>>>
>>> They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were
>>> connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so
>>> your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3
>>> minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start
>>> stalling, first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or
>>> restart requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on
>>> battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though,
>>> not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run
>>> smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
>>> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
>>> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
>>> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
>>> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
>>> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
>>> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> there>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope
>>> it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I used to do that until SSDs. The IOPs on rotation was too high for
indexing and would impact performance. It doesn't impact things nearly as
much on flash based storage, so I now leave it on.

On Dec 13, 2016 11:16 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I've been disabling the indexing service since they first added it (98?
> XP?).  I never saw the point of slowing down the system at all times in
> order to speed up a search feature that I only use occasionally.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/13/2016 12:14:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
> I used to have to kill indexing all the time on whatever we had before 10
> (7 or 8 I guess).  Not a problem with 10.  I think it must monitor
> resources and slow or stop indexing when other more important things are
> happening.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
> It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the issues
> about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with hibernation and
> everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. Just haven't had
> much time to mess with it.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi devices.
>> I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/
>> windows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html
>>
>> They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were
>> connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so
>> your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3
>> minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start
>> stalling, first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or
>> restart requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on
>> battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though,
>> not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell
>> though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>>
>>
>>
>> How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run
>> smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
>> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
>> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
>> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
>> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
>> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
>> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> > there>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope
>> it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China
>> probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
>> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
>> drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
>> drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
>> viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
>> because they're already there.
>>
>> Thank

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
hybernation and laptops is always awful, if it doesnt hibernate quick
enough whent he lids closed it ends up staying on cooking in the laptop bag

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I agree, any more it is on or off except for one office computer that will
> come out of sleep mode with a key press.  It has a power button that is
> really hard to get to under the desk so I just leave it on.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
> I do not use hibernation.  Haven't like - ever
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
> Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so
> your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3
> minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.
>
>
>
> The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling,
> first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart
> requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on
> battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though,
> not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell
> though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
>
> How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run
> smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>
>
>
>  there>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it
> stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably
> pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
> drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
> drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
> viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
> because they're already there.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
> that went through the free upgrade.
>
> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
>
> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
> for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
> cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
> microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
>
> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
I agree, any more it is on or off except for one office computer that will come 
out of sleep mode with a key press.  It has a power button that is really hard 
to get to under the desk so I just leave it on.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall


I do not use hibernation.  Haven't like - ever

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

  Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so your 
problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3 minutes to 
come out of hibernation isn’t normal.

   

  The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling, 
first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart 
requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on battery.  I 
suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though, not Windows 10.  
I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

   

  How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  
It takes like 2GB just to run.

   

  On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog 
since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times 
when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. 
Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire 
drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but 
man it has sucked so far. 

 

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s 
almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)

   

   

   

On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

 

Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope 
it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia

 

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

  I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the 
new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old 
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new 
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. 
No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.

  Thank you,

  Brett A Mansfield


  On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats 
a few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine 
that went through the free upgrade.

i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly 
elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt 
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

I do not use hibernation.  Haven't like - ever

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall


  Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so your 
problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3 minutes to 
come out of hibernation isn’t normal.

   

  The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling, 
first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart 
requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on battery.  I 
suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though, not Windows 10.  
I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

   

  How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  
It takes like 2GB just to run.

   

  On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog 
since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times 
when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. 
Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire 
drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but 
man it has sucked so far. 

 

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s 
almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)

   

   

   

On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

 

Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope 
it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia

 

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

  I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the 
new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old 
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new 
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. 
No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.

  Thank you,

  Brett A Mansfield


  On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats 
a few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine 
that went through the free upgrade.

i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly 
elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt 
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

just built a new system.  my old system had 8 gig and ran fine (but my video 
card was not good)
new system has 64 gig ram

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall


  Single best upgrade to any system is increasing RAM to as much as you can. My 
Win10 machines have between 8 and 12 GB. Depending on what you typically do, 
either would be adequate. I surely wouldn't go below 8 GB. I find ~~ 6GB is a 
typical commit level.


bp


On 12/13/2016 8:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  
It takes like 2GB just to run.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog 
since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times 
when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. 
Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire 
drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but 
man it has sucked so far. 


  On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  
wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s 
almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;) 


 


  On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


  Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and 
hope it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China 
probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia


  On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and 
the new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old 
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new 
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. 
No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


  holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu 
thats a few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 
machine that went through the free upgrade. 
  i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
  this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly 
elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt 
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
  Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft



  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
an upgrade is problematic, I wish on my primary laptop i had just done a
clean 10 install, but too many legacy apps i dont even know where to get
installers for. Mine does the 100% disk usage, and forticlient doesnt play
well. But its like 6 years old, very beat up i7 with 6gb ram and it still
runs pretty well for the abuse i put it through both in physical damage (on
my third keyboard) and the volume of applications i run on it, not to
mention multiple chrome instances with tons of open tabs

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've been disabling the indexing service since they first added it (98?
> XP?).  I never saw the point of slowing down the system at all times in
> order to speed up a search feature that I only use occasionally.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/13/2016 12:14:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
> I used to have to kill indexing all the time on whatever we had before 10
> (7 or 8 I guess).  Not a problem with 10.  I think it must monitor
> resources and slow or stop indexing when other more important things are
> happening.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
> It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the issues
> about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with hibernation and
> everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. Just haven't had
> much time to mess with it.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi devices.
>> I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/
>> windows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html
>>
>> They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were
>> connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so
>> your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3
>> minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start
>> stalling, first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or
>> restart requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on
>> battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though,
>> not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell
>> though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>>
>>
>>
>> How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run
>> smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
>> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
>> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
>> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
>> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
>> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
>> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> > there>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope
>> it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China
>> probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
>> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
>> driv

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Adam Moffett 
I've been disabling the indexing service since they first added it (98?  
XP?).  I never saw the point of slowing down the system at all times in 
order to speed up a search feature that I only use occasionally.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/13/2016 12:14:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

I used to have to kill indexing all the time on whatever we had before 
10 (7 or 8 I guess).  Not a problem with 10.  I think it must monitor 
resources and slow or stop indexing when other more important things 
are happening.


From:Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:08 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the 
issues about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with 
hibernation and everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. 
Just haven't had much time to mess with it.



On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:
The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi 
devices.  I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.  
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html


They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were 
connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.




On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, 
so your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but 
still, 3 minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.




The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start 
stalling, first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a 
shutdown or restart requires using the power button.  Mostly happens 
when using WiFi on battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or 
application problem though, not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the 
BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.








From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall



How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run 
smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.




On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  
wrote:


I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a 
dog since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation 
and many times when I click the start button to launch a program it 
doesn't even respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like 
it has to reindex the entire drive before showing me the files. It's 
only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.




On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  
wrote:


Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - 
it’s almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has 
been for years ;)




going there>




On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:




Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and 
hope it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock 
solid. China probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia




On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:


I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and 
the new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just 
move the old drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 
will install all the new drivers. Then all I have to do (if 
necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing to 
transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.


Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu 
thats a few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its 
a windows 8 machine that went through the free upgrade.


i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its 
fairly elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the 
native drivers wouldnt make cheap touchpads work, little to no 
tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft sign in and it was 
already activated on the hardware ID, sweet


Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
I used to have to kill indexing all the time on whatever we had before 10 (7 or 
8 I guess).  Not a problem with 10.  I think it must monitor resources and slow 
or stop indexing when other more important things are happening.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the issues 
about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with hibernation and 
everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. Just haven't had much 
time to mess with it.  


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi devices.  I 
had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.  
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html

  They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were 
connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.  




  On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so 
your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3 
minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.



The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling, 
first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart 
requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on battery.  I 
suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though, not Windows 10.  
I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall



How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  
It takes like 2GB just to run.



On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog 
since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times 
when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. 
Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire 
drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but 
man it has sucked so far. 



  On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  
wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s 
almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)



 



  On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:



  Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and 
hope it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China 
probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia



  On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and 
the new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old 
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new 
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. 
No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu 
thats a few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 
machine that went through the free upgrade.

  i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

  this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly 
elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt 
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

  Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Cameron Crum 
It is an older (2nd gen I7) with 8GB ram. I've seen forums with the issues
about the file indexing. I'm betting that is the issue with hibernation and
everything. There is a fix, but it is rather involved. Just haven't had
much time to mess with it.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi devices.
> I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue.
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/windows-10-
> anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html
>
> They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were
> connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.
>
>
>
> On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so
> your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3
> minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.
>
>
>
> The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling,
> first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart
> requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on
> battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though,
> not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell
> though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
>
>
>
> How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run
> smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>
>
>
>  there>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it
> stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably
> pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
> drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
> drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
> viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
> because they're already there.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
> that went through the free upgrade.
>
> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
>
> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
> for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
> cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
> microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
>
> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Nate Burke 
The WIndows10 update from last Tuesday (Dec, 6) broke some wifi 
devices.  I had people calling in over the weekend with that issue. 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3148845/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html


They had to manually run ipconfig /renew to get online, as they were 
connecting to the WIFI, but not requesting an IP address.




On 12/13/2016 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, 
so your problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but 
still, 3 minutes to come out of hibernation isn’t normal.


The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start 
stalling, first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a 
shutdown or restart requires using the power button. Mostly happens 
when using WiFi on battery.  I suspect it’s a driver, hardware or 
application problem though, not Windows 10.  I’ve applied all the BIOS 
and driver updates from Dell though.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run 
smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:


I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a
dog since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of
hibernation and many times when I click the start button to launch
a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to sort a directory by
date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before showing
me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it
has sucked so far.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at
all - it’s almost starting to become as reliable and solid as
Mac has been for years ;)



On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off
cortana and hope it stays off and don't install another
av, it seems rock solid. China probably pwns it, but at
least it's not Russia

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients
computer and the new hard drive isn't much better than
the old one, i can just move the old drive to the new
computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the
new drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is
activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing to
transfer all the clients data and settings because
they're already there.

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop
from best bu thats a few years old. so of course
the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
that went through the free upgrade.

i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10
install usb

this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever
done. its fairly elegant for keyboard only
install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab
arrowing on base install, skip microsoft sign in
and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to
go Microsoft

-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
Cold boot is about 10 seconds (I have a solid state hard drive).  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so your 
problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3 minutes to 
come out of hibernation isn’t normal.

 

The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling, 
first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart 
requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on battery.  I 
suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though, not Windows 10.  
I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

 

How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  It 
takes like 2GB just to run.

 

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog since 
the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times when 
I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to 
sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before 
showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it has 
sucked so far. 

   

  On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s 
almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)

 

 

 

  On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

   

  Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope 
it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia

   

  On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the 
new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old 
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new 
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. 
No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
already there.

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a 
few years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine 
that went through the free upgrade.

  i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

  this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly 
elegant for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt 
make cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

  Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft


   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Mine is very quick, even a cold bootup is something like 10 seconds, so your 
problem seems strange.  I have a fairly new i7 laptop, but still, 3 minutes to 
come out of hibernation isn’t normal.

 

The problem I’m having is that periodically processes will start stalling, 
first thing to go is network connectivity, and then a shutdown or restart 
requires using the power button.  Mostly happens when using WiFi on battery.  I 
suspect it’s a driver, hardware or application problem though, not Windows 10.  
I’ve applied all the BIOS and driver updates from Dell though.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

 

How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.  It 
takes like 2GB just to run.

 

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com> > wrote:

I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog since 
the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many times when 
I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to 
sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before 
showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it has 
sucked so far. 

 

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s almost 
starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)

 

 

 

On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it 
stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia

 

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard 
drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to the 
new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. Then all 
I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing 
to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're already there.

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few years 
old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that went 
through the free upgrade.

i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb

this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant for 
keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap 
touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft sign 
in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet

Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Bill Prince 
Single best upgrade to any system is increasing RAM to as much as you 
can. My Win10 machines have between 8 and 12 GB. Depending on what you 
typically do, either would be adequate. I surely wouldn't go below 8 GB. 
I find ~~ 6GB is a typical commit level.


bp


On 12/13/2016 8:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:
How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run 
smooth.  It takes like 2GB just to run.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum > wrote:


I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a
dog since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of
hibernation and many times when I click the start button to launch
a program it doesn't even respond. Trying to sort a directory by
date seems like it has to reindex the entire drive before showing
me the files. It's only a laptop I use occasionally, but man it
has sucked so far.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at
all - it’s almost starting to become as reliable and solid as
Mac has been for years ;)




On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off
cortana and hope it stays off and don't install another av,
it seems rock solid. China probably pwns it, but at least
it's not Russia

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients
computer and the new hard drive isn't much better than
the old one, i can just move the old drive to the new
computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate
Windows 10 and viola. No more needing to transfer all the
clients data and settings because they're already there.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from
best bu thats a few years old. so of course the hard
drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that went
through the free upgrade.
i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done.
its fairly elegant for keyboard only install, like they
knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap touchpads
work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the
hardware ID, sweet
Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go
Microsoft

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Jeremy 
How much RAM do you have?  My Win10 machines all have 16GB and run smooth.
It takes like 2GB just to run.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
> since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
> times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
> respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
> the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
> occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
>> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>>
>> > there>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope
>> it stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China
>> probably pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
>> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
>> drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
>> drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
>> viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
>> because they're already there.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
>> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
>> that went through the free upgrade.
>> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
>> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
>> for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
>> cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
>> microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
>> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-13 Thread Cameron Crum 
I wish I could go back. Maybe it's my machine, but it has become a dog
since the upgrade. It takes 3 minutes to come out of hibernation and many
times when I click the start button to launch a program it doesn't even
respond. Trying to sort a directory by date seems like it has to reindex
the entire drive before showing me the files. It's only a laptop I use
occasionally, but man it has sucked so far.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s
> almost starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)
>
>  there>
>
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it
> stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably
> pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
>
> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
> hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
> drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
> drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
> viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
> because they're already there.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
> that went through the free upgrade.
> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
> for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
> cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
> microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-11 Thread Paul Stewart 
Yup .. Microsoft is getting better … Win10 isn’t that bad at all - it’s almost 
starting to become as reliable and solid as Mac has been for years ;)

 

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it 
> stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably 
> pwns it, but at least it's not Russia
> 
> On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"  > wrote:
> I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard 
> drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to 
> the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. 
> Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No 
> more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're 
> already there.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  > wrote:
> 
>> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few 
>> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine 
>> that went through the free upgrade.
>> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
>> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant 
>> for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make 
>> cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip 
>> microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
>> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-11 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
Windows 10 is turning out to be pretty solid. shut off cortana and hope it
stays off and don't install another av, it seems rock solid. China probably
pwns it, but at least it's not Russia

On Dec 10, 2016 11:29 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
wrote:

I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new
hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old
drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new
drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and
viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings
because they're already there.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
that went through the free upgrade.
i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-10 Thread Brett A Mansfield 
I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard 
drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to the 
new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. Then all 
I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing 
to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're already there.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few 
> years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that 
> went through the free upgrade.
> i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
> this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant for 
> keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap 
> touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft 
> sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
> Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall

2016-12-10 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few
years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine
that went through the free upgrade.
i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb
this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant
for keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make
cheap touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip
microsoft sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet
Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.