Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
It's been discussed multiple times, so maybe not? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jason McKemie" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:16:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost I must not be on the members list anymore, I can't recall seeing anything on this. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They specifically stated they didn't want it for macro use when this band first came up. The discussion has been on the members list, but it was months ago when the proposed rules first came out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:05:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Sorry, is the discussion over on a specific list, or am I just forgetting? My memory span tends to be short compared to FCC timeframe. Can you expand on why you don’t expect to see this in use significantly outside of venues? I understand that reasoning for 5 GHz, not sure why carriers would not be interested in 30 MHz of additional spectrum everywhere, even if dynamically assigned by a SAS. Especially if they can get priority access which kind of smells like exclusive license and low interference. OK, looking here: http://www.commlawblog.com/tags/35503650-mhz/ I see that PALs would be limited to 30 MHz and 5 years, and as you say, 50 MHz would stay unlicensed. It also says the SAS would dictate power limits which would presumably be lower near census tract boundaries similar to EBS. That would seem to encourage acquiring PALs adjacent to your area so that you can run full power. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Each entity can only get 3 licenses, 50 MHz has to remain unlicensed. Ken, I know you've seen the WISPA discussions on this. I don't expect to see this significantly in use outside of venues... small cell stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:26:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions on spectrum auctions. Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, frequency, geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the time. If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: > http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the >general or priority tiers? > >Does the FCC even know yet? > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
I must not be on the members list anymore, I can't recall seeing anything on this. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > They specifically stated they didn't want it for macro use when this band > first came up. > > The discussion has been on the members list, but it was months ago when > the proposed rules first came out. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:05:15 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost > > Sorry, is the discussion over on a specific list, or am I just > forgetting? My memory span tends to be short compared to FCC timeframe. > > Can you expand on why you don’t expect to see this in use significantly > outside of venues? I understand that reasoning for 5 GHz, not sure why > carriers would not be interested in 30 MHz of additional spectrum > everywhere, even if dynamically assigned by a SAS. Especially if they can > get priority access which kind of smells like exclusive license and low > interference. > > OK, looking here: > http://www.commlawblog.com/tags/35503650-mhz/ > I see that PALs would be limited to 30 MHz and 5 years, and as you say, 50 > MHz would stay unlicensed. It also says the SAS would dictate power limits > which would presumably be lower near census tract boundaries similar to > EBS. That would seem to encourage acquiring PALs adjacent to your area so > that you can run full power. > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost > > Each entity can only get 3 licenses, 50 MHz has to remain unlicensed. > > Ken, I know you've seen the WISPA discussions on this. > > I don't expect to see this significantly in use outside of venues... > small cell stuff. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:26:50 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost > > That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on > putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and > warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general > access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything > in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every > license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions > on spectrum auctions. > > Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a > little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, > frequency, > geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And > whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the > time. > If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage > bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Gino Villarini > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost > > Its going to auction > > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > www.aeronetpr.com > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > > >http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > > > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > > > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the > >general or priority tiers? > > > >Does the FCC even know yet? > > > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license? > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
They specifically stated they didn't want it for macro use when this band first came up. The discussion has been on the members list, but it was months ago when the proposed rules first came out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:05:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Sorry, is the discussion over on a specific list, or am I just forgetting? My memory span tends to be short compared to FCC timeframe. Can you expand on why you don’t expect to see this in use significantly outside of venues? I understand that reasoning for 5 GHz, not sure why carriers would not be interested in 30 MHz of additional spectrum everywhere, even if dynamically assigned by a SAS. Especially if they can get priority access which kind of smells like exclusive license and low interference. OK, looking here: http://www.commlawblog.com/tags/35503650-mhz/ I see that PALs would be limited to 30 MHz and 5 years, and as you say, 50 MHz would stay unlicensed. It also says the SAS would dictate power limits which would presumably be lower near census tract boundaries similar to EBS. That would seem to encourage acquiring PALs adjacent to your area so that you can run full power. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Each entity can only get 3 licenses, 50 MHz has to remain unlicensed. Ken, I know you've seen the WISPA discussions on this. I don't expect to see this significantly in use outside of venues... small cell stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:26:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions on spectrum auctions. Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, frequency, geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the time. If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: >http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the >general or priority tiers? > >Does the FCC even know yet? > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
Sorry, is the discussion over on a specific list, or am I just forgetting? My memory span tends to be short compared to FCC timeframe. Can you expand on why you don’t expect to see this in use significantly outside of venues? I understand that reasoning for 5 GHz, not sure why carriers would not be interested in 30 MHz of additional spectrum everywhere, even if dynamically assigned by a SAS. Especially if they can get priority access which kind of smells like exclusive license and low interference. OK, looking here: http://www.commlawblog.com/tags/35503650-mhz/ I see that PALs would be limited to 30 MHz and 5 years, and as you say, 50 MHz would stay unlicensed. It also says the SAS would dictate power limits which would presumably be lower near census tract boundaries similar to EBS. That would seem to encourage acquiring PALs adjacent to your area so that you can run full power. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Each entity can only get 3 licenses, 50 MHz has to remain unlicensed. Ken, I know you've seen the WISPA discussions on this. I don't expect to see this significantly in use outside of venues... small cell stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:26:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions on spectrum auctions. Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, frequency, geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the time. If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: >http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the >general or priority tiers? > >Does the FCC even know yet? > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
That Is not the way I remember it Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 2:24 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost I hit enter too quickly. If all licenses are gobbled up, but no one is actually using them at the moment, you have the whole band. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
Well the latest NPRM says half of the band will be for general access. I *think* what I'm seeing is the other half would be PAL, but you could use it for general access if nobody buys the PAL. I could be wrong. As far as auctions: "Exclusive spectrum rights for Priority Access subject to licensing by auction in the event of mutually exclusive applications" Maybe you could get lucky and be the only one to apply for a certain census block. No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
Each entity can only get 3 licenses, 50 MHz has to remain unlicensed. Ken, I know you've seen the WISPA discussions on this. I don't expect to see this significantly in use outside of venues... small cell stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:26:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions on spectrum auctions. Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, frequency, geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the time. If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: >http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the >general or priority tiers? > >Does the FCC even know yet? > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
That's kind of disappointing. Do you know what mechanisms they plan on putting in place to keep the big carriers from just snapping it all up and warehousing it? I guess that would still mean we could use it as general access as long as they are just squatting on it and not deploying anything in our census tracts, but I have to suspect the cost to outbid us on every license would not be a show stopper for companies used to bidding billions on spectrum auctions. Making the PALs specific to census tract and year might discourage it a little. It says licensees will be able to aggregate across time, frequency, geography, I wonder how many years out they will let you bid on. And whether current licensee gets first right of refusal on extending the time. If everything gets re-auctioned in a year or two, that might discourage bidding on spectrum if you don't intend to use it. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
With the database requirements and getting equipment ready to comply, wake me when its ready please ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost I hit enter too quickly. If all licenses are gobbled up, but no one is actually using them at the moment, you have the whole band. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
I hit enter too quickly. If all licenses are gobbled up, but no one is actually using them at the moment, you have the whole band. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
The spectrum is dynamic. You don't get a set 10 MHz, you just get 10 MHz somewhere. That 10 MHz may change as time goes on. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
No idea, but I hope the cost per year per census tract for a PAL will be low enough to afford but high enough to discourage squatting. I also wonder how they will deal with geographically adjacent licenses, obviously radio waves don't stop at the edge of a census tract. I assume if someone has a PAL but the database doesn't see any active APs, then general access licensees would be able to temporarily use that 10 MHz of spectrum in that census tract. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the general or priority tiers? Does the FCC even know yet? Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
Re: [AFMUG] CBRS license cost
Its going to auction Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 1:41 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: >http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-148 > >I'm going to need some of that extra 100mhz in the near future. > >Does anyone happen to know what the license cost will be for either the >general or priority tiers? > >Does the FCC even know yet? > >Better yetwhen will we be able to buy a license?
