Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-06 Thread Jason McKemie
That's "up to" pricing? Will be interesting to see what speeds people are
actually getting once they get loaded down.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>
> Travis
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why
not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>
> Travis
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why
not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>
> Travis
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy
streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics,
its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my
house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me
over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan,
something like 50 bucks, I dont know.
I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my
modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on
average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time
would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he
didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb
over and over.

I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92.
They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that
means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.

One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its
provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot
of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was
investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay
per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you
periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on
pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in
a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for
somone as pretty as me


On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why
> not?!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
>> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
>> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
>> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-07 Thread D. Ryan Spott
The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. 

Seeing these speeds is the norm. 

ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm  
> wrote:
> 
> I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy 
> streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its 
> like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from 
> across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap 
> so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 
> 50 bucks, I dont know.
> I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. 
> I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, 
> maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see 
> less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to 
> me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over.
> 
> I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. 
> They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that 
> means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.
> 
> One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its 
> provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of 
> overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating 
> it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they 
> must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan 
> channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but 
> youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to 
> prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as 
> me
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why 
>> not?!
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> 
>>> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. So 
>>> now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... 
>>> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this 
>>> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>>> 
>>> Travis
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-07 Thread Chuck McCown
It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and then 
send you tv over IPTV.
Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out there 10 
years from now, it will be done this way.  
The money is in the data, not the TV.  

From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. 

Seeing these speeds is the norm. 

ryan


-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:


  I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy 
streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its 
like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from 
across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so 
I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 
bucks, I dont know. 
  I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. 
I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe 
more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less 
than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but 
he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over.

  I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. 
They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that 
means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.

  One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its 
provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of 
overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, 
even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must 
have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you 
can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim 
of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free 
tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me


  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why 
not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

  Hey,

  So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. 
So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... 
then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this 
package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.

  Travis






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sling TV seems to think the opposite.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sling-tv-ceo-is-not-afraid-of-apple-2015-6

I suspect the cable companies are already viewing their business as broadband, 
and would happily give up dealing with all the content owners constantly 
wanting more money, and just be the big dumb pipe.

Kind of like threatening gas stations that you will take away their lucrative 
fuel business, leaving them to just sell milk, beer, cigarettes, snacks and 
lottery tickets.  Oops, turns out you don’t make money on gas, all the profits 
come from the mini mart.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and then 
send you tv over IPTV.
Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out there 10 
years from now, it will be done this way.  
The money is in the data, not the TV.  

From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. 

Seeing these speeds is the norm. 

ryan


-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:


  I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy 
streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its 
like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from 
across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so 
I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 
bucks, I dont know. 
  I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. 
I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe 
more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less 
than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but 
he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over.

  I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. 
They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that 
means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.

  One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its 
provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of 
overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, 
even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must 
have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you 
can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim 
of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free 
tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me


  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why 
not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

  Hey,

  So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. 
So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... 
then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this 
package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.

  Travis






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
ha, yeah, but without the gas you are competing with the grocery stores
lower prices on your inflated retail

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Sling TV seems to think the opposite.
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sling-tv-ceo-is-not-afraid-of-apple-2015-6
>
> I suspect the cable companies are already viewing their business as
> broadband, and would happily give up dealing with all the content owners
> constantly wanting more money, and just be the big dumb pipe.
>
> Kind of like threatening gas stations that you will take away their
> lucrative fuel business, leaving them to just sell milk, beer, cigarettes,
> snacks and lottery tickets.  Oops, turns out you don’t make money on gas,
> all the profits come from the mini mart.
>
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
>
>   It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and
> then send you tv over IPTV.
> Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out
> there 10 years from now, it will be done this way.
> The money is in the data, not the TV.
>
>  *From:* D. Ryan Spott 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
>
>  The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders.
>
> Seeing these speeds is the norm.
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
>
>  I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy
> streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics,
> its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my
> house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me
> over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan,
> something like 50 bucks, I dont know.
> I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my
> modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on
> average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time
> would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he
> didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb
> over and over.
>
> I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92.
> They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that
> means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.
>
> One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its
> provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot
> of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was
> investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay
> per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you
> periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on
> pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in
> a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for
> somone as pretty as me
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why
>> not?!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
>>> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
>>> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
>>> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-08 Thread D. Ryan Spott

Xfinity/Comcast already does this for channel 41+

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video Bigband networks (now 
part of Arris) started this a while ago.


The bandwidth available to the cable MSOs is pretty amazing.

ryan

On 7/7/15 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data 
and then send you tv over IPTV.
Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out 
there 10 years from now, it will be done this way.

The money is in the data, not the TV.
*From:* D. Ryan Spott <mailto:rsp...@ngc457.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders.
Seeing these speeds is the norm.
ryan

--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are 
heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with 
electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are 
connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law 
moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was 
cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know.
I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my 
modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on 
average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no 
time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, 
that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he 
told me, 80mb over and over.
I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like 
a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont 
know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.
One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I 
assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your 
line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of 
digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, 
the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital 
channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch 
whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim 
of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for 
some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS
3... Why not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson" mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hey,

So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds
to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for
$33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month
for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet,
but that's pretty impressive for the price.

Travis



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047



Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

2015-07-09 Thread Chris Fabien
Yes it is, think what you could do with 800mhz of very clean spectrum all
to yourself for each neighborhood.
On Jul 8, 2015 11:24 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:

>  Xfinity/Comcast already does this for channel 41+
>
> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video Bigband networks (now
> part of Arris) started this a while ago.
>
> The bandwidth available to the cable MSOs is pretty amazing.
>
> ryan
>
> On 7/7/15 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>  It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and
> then send you tv over IPTV.
> Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out
> there 10 years from now, it will be done this way.
> The money is in the data, not the TV.
>
>  *From:* D. Ryan Spott 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
>
>  The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders.
>
> Seeing these speeds is the norm.
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
>
>   I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy
> streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics,
> its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my
> house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me
> over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan,
> something like 50 bucks, I dont know.
> I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my
> modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on
> average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time
> would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he
> didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb
> over and over.
>
> I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92.
> They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that
> means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.
>
> One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its
> provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot
> of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was
> investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay
> per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you
> periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on
> pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in
> a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for
> somone as pretty as me
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why
>> not?!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps.
>>> So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year...
>>> then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this
>>> package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047
>
>