Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Joe Falaschi 
We use Planet VDSL in business buildings where it's not economical to run 
ethernet and want to use twisted pair.

We use C9 Networks CMTS systems when we want to ride coax.  They have a DOCSIS 
3.0 system but ours is pretty old and is a 1.0 box.  We've been running it for 
years and it's very reliable.  http://www.c9networks.com/

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent


On Dec 16, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:

> What equipment are you using on the coax?
> 
> On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even if 
>> we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building owns it. 
>> Period. That's the law.
>> 
>> You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually ends up 
>> in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I have many 
>> stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.
>> 
>> On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> Was the existing coax not in use at the time?
>>> 
>>> George Skorup wrote:
 We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually the 
 property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the customers 
 are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low income 
 housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
 
 You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
 
 On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
> 
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> how not to make money?
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>> 
>>Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>> 
>> 
> 
 
 
 
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup 
You could be right. I think the best thing you could do is to get it on 
record with the property management.


On 12/17/2015 11:04 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
"It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for 
any kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more 
central locations, then it is a drop."


The "Cable Inside Wiring rule" 47 C.F.R. 76.800 covers Cable TV drops.
The "Telephony Demarcation Point rule" 47 C.F.R. 68.105(d) covers 
telephone drops.


Nothing covers information service drops and as it stands, they remain 
the property of whomever installed them at least as far as I can 
tell.  One of the reasons we are moving to fiber.  Less ambiguity 
about drop ownership.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, George Skorup > wrote:


It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same
for any kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or
more central locations, then it is a drop.

On 12/16/2015 9:10 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

I know this is the case for video service drops, I.e coax, but
is it also the case for cat5 or fiber drops?



On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop
ownership. Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put
in new drops, the building owns it. Period. That's the law.

You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services.
This usually ends up in a fight with the cable company.
And they lose, every time. I have many stories, but I'm
not going to talk about that on a public list.

On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:

We have done a bunch using the existing coax in
the building. Usually the property owns the drops
to the units. It's nice when all of the customers
are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay
away from low income housing. Leave those for the
telco and cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a
brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay
Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:

Is there really any money in MDU
deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?





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401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup 

Yes

On 12/17/2015 9:06 AM, Jeremy wrote:
So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as 
dish/cable tv?


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't
use MoCA (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same
network (we're also a DISH Network PCO). Netsys would work fine as
well, but it got too expensive.

On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:

What equipment are you using on the coax?

On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop
ownership. Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put
in new drops, the building owns it. Period. That's the law.

You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services.
This usually ends up in a fight with the cable company.
And they lose, every time. I have many stories, but I'm
not going to talk about that on a public list.

On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:

We have done a bunch using the existing coax in
the building. Usually the property owns the drops
to the units. It's nice when all of the customers
are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay
away from low income housing. Leave those for the
telco and cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a
brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay
Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:

Is there really any money in MDU
deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Carl Peterson 
"It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for any
kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more central
locations, then it is a drop."

The "Cable Inside Wiring rule" 47 C.F.R. 76.800 covers Cable TV drops.
The "Telephony Demarcation Point rule" 47 C.F.R. 68.105(d) covers telephone
drops.

Nothing covers information service drops and as it stands, they remain the
property of whomever installed them at least as far as I can tell.  One of
the reasons we are moving to fiber.  Less ambiguity about drop ownership.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for any
> kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more central
> locations, then it is a drop.
>
> On 12/16/2015 9:10 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
>> I know this is the case for video service drops, I.e coax, but is it also
>> the case for cat5 or fiber drops?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even
>>> if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building owns
>>> it. Period. That's the law.
>>>
>>> You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually
>>> ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I
>>> have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

 George Skorup wrote:

> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low
> income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>
> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>
> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> how not to make money?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini 
yup


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> fiber drops?
>
>
> On 12/17/2015 9:31 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less
> headaches
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable
>> tv?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup < 
>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't use
>>> MoCA (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same network (we're also
>>> a DISH Network PCO). Netsys would work fine as well, but it got too
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:
>>>
 What equipment are you using on the coax?

 On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:

> Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership.
> Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building
> owns it. Period. That's the law.
>
> You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually
> ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I
> have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.
>
> On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> Was the existing coax not in use at the time?
>>
>> George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building.
>>> Usually the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of 
>>> the
>>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
>>> low
>>> income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>>
>>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

 Gino Villarini wrote:

> how not to make money?
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net  par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>
> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Keefe John 

fiber drops?

On 12/17/2015 9:31 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less 
headaches


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy > wrote:


So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as
dish/cable tv?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz.
Can't use MoCA (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the
same network (we're also a DISH Network PCO). Netsys would
work fine as well, but it got too expensive.

On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:

What equipment are you using on the coax?

On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase
drop ownership. Even if we (or anyone else for that
matter) put in new drops, the building owns it.
Period. That's the law.

You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate
services. This usually ends up in a fight with the
cable company. And they lose, every time. I have many
stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a
public list.

On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:

We have done a bunch using the existing coax
in the building. Usually the property owns the
drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
customers are in one place. :) I will say this
though, stay away from low income housing.
Leave those for the telco and cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a
brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay
Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>
wrote:

Is there really any money in MDU
deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini 
just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less
headaches

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable
> tv?
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't use
>> MoCA (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same network (we're also
>> a DISH Network PCO). Netsys would work fine as well, but it got too
>> expensive.
>>
>> On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:
>>
>>> What equipment are you using on the coax?
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
 Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership.
 Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building
 owns it. Period. That's the law.

 You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually
 ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I
 have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.

 On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

> Was the existing coax not in use at the time?
>
> George Skorup wrote:
>
>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low
>> income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>
>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>
>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>>
>>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
 how not to make money?

 On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net >
 wrote:

 Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
 doing WiFi or wired to the end user?



>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Jeremy 
So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable tv?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't use MoCA
> (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same network (we're also a
> DISH Network PCO). Netsys would work fine as well, but it got too expensive.
>
> On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:
>
>> What equipment are you using on the coax?
>>
>> On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even
>>> if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building owns
>>> it. Period. That's the law.
>>>
>>> You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually
>>> ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I
>>> have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

 George Skorup wrote:

> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low
> income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>
> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>
> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> how not to make money?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread George Skorup 
Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't use 
MoCA (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same network (we're 
also a DISH Network PCO). Netsys would work fine as well, but it got too 
expensive.


On 12/16/2015 9:21 PM, Keefe John wrote:

What equipment are you using on the coax?

On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. 
Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the 
building owns it. Period. That's the law.


You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually 
ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. 
I have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public 
list.


On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:
We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. 
Usually the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when 
all of the customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, 
stay away from low income housing. Leave those for the telco and 
cable.


You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> 
wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Jay Weekley 

Even just providing WiFi?

Gino Villarini wrote:

mdus are money makers if done right

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


hey.be nice,,,i am officially an old fart now...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Old farts use very little bandwidth. 20 customers.
daily traffic


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

$20 a month for 512k, $30 for 1.5, $40 for 3 mbps, $100
for the modem, no contract.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jon Langeler
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:

What the pricing and sales pitch?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a
DSLAM. 1-450 SM
 and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,,
each paying about 20-30 a month. works great for us.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Isn't that all you have by me? :-p



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*From: *"George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you
make any money on them?


We have done a bunch using the existing coax in
the building. Usually
the property owns the drops to the units. It's
nice when all of the
customers are in one place. :) I will say this
though, stay away from
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and
cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a
brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> how not to make money?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?
If so, are you
>> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>
>>
>





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575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>





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www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>




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Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread George Skorup 
It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for any 
kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more central 
locations, then it is a drop.


On 12/16/2015 9:10 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

I know this is the case for video service drops, I.e coax, but is it also the 
case for cat5 or fiber drops?




On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even if we 
(or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building owns it. 
Period. That's the law.

You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually ends up in 
a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I have many stories, 
but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.


On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:

We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually the 
property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the customers are 
in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low income housing. 
Leave those for the telco and cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.


On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Keefe John 

What equipment are you using on the coax?

On 12/16/2015 7:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. 
Even if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the 
building owns it. Period. That's the law.


You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually 
ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. 
I have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public 
list.


On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:
We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. 
Usually the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all 
of the customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay 
away from low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.


You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Carl Peterson 
I know this is the case for video service drops, I.e coax, but is it also the 
case for cat5 or fiber drops?



> On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even if 
> we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building owns it. 
> Period. That's the law.
> 
> You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually ends up 
> in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I have many 
> stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.
> 
>> On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> Was the existing coax not in use at the time?
>> 
>> George Skorup wrote:
>>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually the 
>>> property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the customers 
>>> are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from low income 
>>> housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>> 
>>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>> 
 On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
 
 Gino Villarini wrote:
> how not to make money?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley  > wrote:
> 
>Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread George Skorup 
Yes, most of the time it is in use. Let me rephrase drop ownership. Even 
if we (or anyone else for that matter) put in new drops, the building 
owns it. Period. That's the law.


You can put diplexers on the drops to isolate services. This usually 
ends up in a fight with the cable company. And they lose, every time. I 
have many stories, but I'm not going to talk about that on a public list.


On 12/16/2015 5:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:
We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually 
the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the 
customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.


You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I know a few guys that do solely MDU's.

They appear to just buy the line/bandwidth coming in to the place at wholesale, 
then using fixed line mostly Ethernet or VDSL to each unit.

It's just math I guess, if there are enough units paying to cover the cost of 
bandwidth and support and some on the top, why not?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:25 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you doing 
WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Jay Weekley 

Was the existing coax not in use at the time?

George Skorup wrote:
We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually 
the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the 
customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.


You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Gino Villarini 
mdus are money makers if done right

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> hey.be nice,,,i am officially an old fart now...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Old farts use very little bandwidth. 20 customers.
>> [image: daily traffic]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> $20 a month for 512k, $30 for 1.5, $40 for 3 mbps, $100 for the modem,
>>> no contract.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jon Langeler >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What the pricing and sales pitch?
>>>>
>>>> Jon Langeler
>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
>>>>  and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about
>>>> 20-30 a month. works great for us.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on
>>>>> them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
>>>>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
>>>>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
>>>>> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>>> >> how not to make money?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>>>>> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>>>> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Jaime Solorza 
hey.be nice,,,i am officially an old fart now...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Old farts use very little bandwidth. 20 customers.
> [image: daily traffic]
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> $20 a month for 512k, $30 for 1.5, $40 for 3 mbps, $100 for the modem, no
>> contract.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What the pricing and sales pitch?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>
>>> We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
>>>  and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about
>>> 20-30 a month. works great for us.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
>>>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
>>>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
>>>> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>>>
>>>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>>> >
>>>> > Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>> >> how not to make money?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>>>> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>>> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Sam Lambie 
Old farts use very little bandwidth. 20 customers.
[image: daily traffic]


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> $20 a month for 512k, $30 for 1.5, $40 for 3 mbps, $100 for the modem, no
> contract.
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> What the pricing and sales pitch?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>> We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
>>  and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about
>> 20-30 a month. works great for us.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?
>>>
>>>
>>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
>>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
>>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
>>> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>>
>>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>>> >
>>> > Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> >> how not to make money?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>>> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>>> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Sam Lambie 
$20 a month for 512k, $30 for 1.5, $40 for 3 mbps, $100 for the modem, no
contract.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> What the pricing and sales pitch?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
>  and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about
> 20-30 a month. works great for us.
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> --
>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?
>>
>>
>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
>> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>>
>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>>
>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>> >
>> > Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> how not to make money?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Jon Langeler 
What the pricing and sales pitch?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
>  and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about 20-30 a 
> month. works great for us.
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> 
>> 
>> From: "George Skorup" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?
>> 
>> 
>> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually 
>> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the 
>> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
>> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>> 
>> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>> 
>> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>> >
>> > Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> how not to make money?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
>> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread George Skorup 
Don't get me wrong, we like to help the less fortunate, but when they 
can't pay their bills...


On 12/16/2015 2:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> how not to make money?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there really any money in MDU deployments? If so, are you
>> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Sam Lambie 
We actually do MDU to low income senior housing via a DSLAM. 1-450 SM
 and about 20 customers. 512k-3mbps service plans,, each paying about 20-30
a month. works great for us.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Isn't that all you have by me?  :-p
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?
>
>
> We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually
> the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the
> customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from
> low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.
>
> You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.
>
> On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > MDUs are an example of how not to make money?
> >
> > Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> how not to make money?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley
> >> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
> >> doing WiFi or wired to the end user?
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Isn't that all you have by me? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:50:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them? 

We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually 
the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the 
customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable. 

You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building. 

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: 
> MDUs are an example of how not to make money? 
> 
> Gino Villarini wrote: 
>> how not to make money? 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: 
>> 
>> Is there really any money in MDU deployments? If so, are you 
>> doing WiFi or wired to the end user? 
>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread George Skorup 
We have done a bunch using the existing coax in the building. Usually 
the property owns the drops to the units. It's nice when all of the 
customers are in one place. :) I will say this though, stay away from 
low income housing. Leave those for the telco and cable.


You will be disappointed trying wireless in a brick building.

On 12/16/2015 2:20 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Jay Weekley 

MDUs are an example of how not to make money?

Gino Villarini wrote:

how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you
doing WiFi or wired to the end user?

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-16 Thread Gino Villarini 
how not to make money?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Is there really any money in MDU deployments?   If so, are you doing WiFi
> or wired to the end user?
>