Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I bet the tree hugger crowd would be labeled terrorists if computers
still used paper today.
On 7/10/2016 11:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Oh yeah. I even learned how to repair those things. Main thing was
using lots and lots of oil.
bp
On 7/10/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
KSR33 terminals. Yep, remember when you would go to a newspaper’s
news room and hear those things hammering away. They had a
characteristic smell.
*From:* Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Do I remember paper tape? The first "computer" I worked on was
actually just a teletype machine that used an acoustically coupled
modem to tie into a mainframe (or something) at the University of
Minnesota in Minneapolis (I started college at the Brainerd State
Community College, which was an extension of the U of M at the time).
We would type our programs into paper tape, then upload them via the
modem connection for execution. When we did graphs, we printed them
out in ASCII format on the teletype. Quaint I guess you would call it.
Later, the physics department got their first real computer, which
was a desk-top thing made by Olivetti. You would program it through
its console, and record the programs on a magnetic card that was
about the size of a Hollerith card. I think it had a maximum program
storage capability in the neighborhood of 120 instructions.
Thankfully, it had a couple dozen registers that you could "borrow"
to store program instructions, and if you were clever, you could
stretch your programs to over 130 instructions. It had two lights on
the front, one red, and one green. The green light would blink every
time it executed an instruction; about one or two instructions per
second (yes, you could watch it as it executed the instructions).
Floating point instructions were much slower; they would take 3 or 4
seconds to execute each instruction. If you had a program fault (like
divide by zero), the red light would come on, and it would halt. If
you knew your program well, you could tell where in your program the
fault was by counting the blinking green light flashes and speed.
The first computer company I worked for did not have a "boot"
function. You had to fat-finger the boot in through the console. It
was a 20 or 25 instruction program that everyone had to memorize. I
also learned to write "diagnostics" by fat fingering in programs
through the console. Interestingly, the machine was a 24-bit machine.
Worked well with either 6-bit "BCD" (pre-ASCII?), or 8-bit ASCII.
Ahhh. the good old days.
bp
On 7/10/2016 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle
switches to read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague
recollection of a 2 step compiler or maybe assembler where not only
was the source code on paper tape, but the intermediate step was
punched onto paper tape and then read back in. Or maybe that’s a
bad dream I had.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which
used a z80 cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break.
Assuming the compiler finished without errors, the link step was
long enough to walk to lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still
not finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound
(floppies are slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100
system to speed things up. I think the cp/m driver for that card
may have been my first z80 assembly code. Cut the time to almost
nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going
for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first
syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours
for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
*From:* David Milholen <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Oh yeah. I even learned how to repair those things. Main thing was using
lots and lots of oil.
bp
On 7/10/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
KSR33 terminals. Yep, remember when you would go to a newspaper’s
news room and hear those things hammering away. They had a
characteristic smell.
*From:* Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Do I remember paper tape? The first "computer" I worked on was
actually just a teletype machine that used an acoustically coupled
modem to tie into a mainframe (or something) at the University of
Minnesota in Minneapolis (I started college at the Brainerd State
Community College, which was an extension of the U of M at the time).
We would type our programs into paper tape, then upload them via the
modem connection for execution. When we did graphs, we printed them
out in ASCII format on the teletype. Quaint I guess you would call it.
Later, the physics department got their first real computer, which was
a desk-top thing made by Olivetti. You would program it through its
console, and record the programs on a magnetic card that was about the
size of a Hollerith card. I think it had a maximum program storage
capability in the neighborhood of 120 instructions. Thankfully, it had
a couple dozen registers that you could "borrow" to store program
instructions, and if you were clever, you could stretch your programs
to over 130 instructions. It had two lights on the front, one red, and
one green. The green light would blink every time it executed an
instruction; about one or two instructions per second (yes, you could
watch it as it executed the instructions). Floating point instructions
were much slower; they would take 3 or 4 seconds to execute each
instruction. If you had a program fault (like divide by zero), the red
light would come on, and it would halt. If you knew your program well,
you could tell where in your program the fault was by counting the
blinking green light flashes and speed.
The first computer company I worked for did not have a "boot"
function. You had to fat-finger the boot in through the console. It
was a 20 or 25 instruction program that everyone had to memorize. I
also learned to write "diagnostics" by fat fingering in programs
through the console. Interestingly, the machine was a 24-bit machine.
Worked well with either 6-bit "BCD" (pre-ASCII?), or 8-bit ASCII.
Ahhh. the good old days.
bp
On 7/10/2016 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle
switches to read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague
recollection of a 2 step compiler or maybe assembler where not only
was the source code on paper tape, but the intermediate step was
punched onto paper tape and then read back in. Or maybe that’s a bad
dream I had.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which
used a z80 cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break.
Assuming the compiler finished without errors, the link step was long
enough to walk to lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not
finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound
(floppies are slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system
to speed things up. I think the cp/m driver for that card may have
been my first z80 assembly code. Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going
for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first
syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours
for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
*From:* David Milholen <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.co
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Even as late as 1977 or 1978, Data General (remember them) sent out new
systems with purchased software delivered on paper tape. Boxes and boxes
of fan-folded paper tape. I remember having a new system where we had to
replace the primary hard drive. Since the new disc was "virgin" we had
to reload the OS, and all the compilers and libraries via the fan-folded
paper tape. Boxes and boxes of them.
Every now and then the paper tape would get a read error, and you would
have to "back up" the paper tape to the previous correctly loaded block
and start again. It required being able to recognize the hole pattern
for the block beginning. Wheee.
bp
On 7/10/2016 8:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I remember Bill Gates writing a scolding letter to the computer
hobbyist world back in something like 76 about everyone passing
around his basic interpreter on copies of paper tape. I think it was
published in Popular Electronics (my fav magazine back then).
We had paper tape at the first phone company I worked for, that is how
the call records were stored.
And the first Ham RTTY rig I ever saw had paper tape capability.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle
switches to read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague
recollection of a 2 step compiler or maybe assembler where not only
was the source code on paper tape, but the intermediate step was
punched onto paper tape and then read back in. Or maybe that’s a bad
dream I had.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which
used a z80 cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break.
Assuming the compiler finished without errors, the link step was long
enough to walk to lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not
finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies
are slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed
things up. I think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my
first z80 assembly code. Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going
for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first
syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours
for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
*From:* David Milholen <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of
technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it
was not all that long ago from my perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
KSR33 terminals. Yep, remember when you would go to a newspaper’s news room
and hear those things hammering away. They had a characteristic smell.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Do I remember paper tape? The first "computer" I worked on was actually just a
teletype machine that used an acoustically coupled modem to tie into a
mainframe (or something) at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis (I
started college at the Brainerd State Community College, which was an extension
of the U of M at the time).
We would type our programs into paper tape, then upload them via the modem
connection for execution. When we did graphs, we printed them out in ASCII
format on the teletype. Quaint I guess you would call it.
Later, the physics department got their first real computer, which was a
desk-top thing made by Olivetti. You would program it through its console, and
record the programs on a magnetic card that was about the size of a Hollerith
card. I think it had a maximum program storage capability in the neighborhood
of 120 instructions. Thankfully, it had a couple dozen registers that you could
"borrow" to store program instructions, and if you were clever, you could
stretch your programs to over 130 instructions. It had two lights on the front,
one red, and one green. The green light would blink every time it executed an
instruction; about one or two instructions per second (yes, you could watch it
as it executed the instructions). Floating point instructions were much slower;
they would take 3 or 4 seconds to execute each instruction. If you had a
program fault (like divide by zero), the red light would come on, and it would
halt. If you knew your program well, you could tell where in your program the
fault was by counting the blinking green light flashes and speed.
The first computer company I worked for did not have a "boot" function. You had
to fat-finger the boot in through the console. It was a 20 or 25 instruction
program that everyone had to memorize. I also learned to write "diagnostics" by
fat fingering in programs through the console. Interestingly, the machine was a
24-bit machine. Worked well with either 6-bit "BCD" (pre-ASCII?), or 8-bit
ASCII.
Ahhh. the good old days.
bp
On 7/10/2016 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle switches
to read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague recollection of a 2 step
compiler or maybe assembler where not only was the source code on paper tape,
but the intermediate step was punched onto paper tape and then read back in.
Or maybe that’s a bad dream I had.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which used a z80
cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break. Assuming the
compiler finished without errors, the link step was long enough to walk to
lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies are
slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed things up. I
think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my first z80 assembly code.
Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for
coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the
printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
From: David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro O
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember Bill Gates writing a scolding letter to the computer hobbyist world
back in something like 76 about everyone passing around his basic interpreter
on copies of paper tape. I think it was published in Popular Electronics (my
fav magazine back then).
We had paper tape at the first phone company I worked for, that is how the call
records were stored.
And the first Ham RTTY rig I ever saw had paper tape capability.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle switches to
read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague recollection of a 2 step
compiler or maybe assembler where not only was the source code on paper tape,
but the intermediate step was punched onto paper tape and then read back in.
Or maybe that’s a bad dream I had.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which used a z80
cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break. Assuming the
compiler finished without errors, the link step was long enough to walk to
lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies are
slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed things up. I
think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my first z80 assembly code.
Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for coffee,
then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the
printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
From: David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I
remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago
from my perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It
auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But
does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04.
It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console
password, etc.
The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Do I remember paper tape? The first "computer" I worked on was actually
just a teletype machine that used an acoustically coupled modem to tie
into a mainframe (or something) at the University of Minnesota in
Minneapolis (I started college at the Brainerd State Community College,
which was an extension of the U of M at the time).
We would type our programs into paper tape, then upload them via the
modem connection for execution. When we did graphs, we printed them out
in ASCII format on the teletype. Quaint I guess you would call it.
Later, the physics department got their first real computer, which was a
desk-top thing made by Olivetti. You would program it through its
console, and record the programs on a magnetic card that was about the
size of a Hollerith card. I think it had a maximum program storage
capability in the neighborhood of 120 instructions. Thankfully, it had a
couple dozen registers that you could "borrow" to store program
instructions, and if you were clever, you could stretch your programs to
over 130 instructions. It had two lights on the front, one red, and one
green. The green light would blink every time it executed an
instruction; about one or two instructions per second (yes, you could
watch it as it executed the instructions). Floating point instructions
were much slower; they would take 3 or 4 seconds to execute each
instruction. If you had a program fault (like divide by zero), the red
light would come on, and it would halt. If you knew your program well,
you could tell where in your program the fault was by counting the
blinking green light flashes and speed.
The first computer company I worked for did not have a "boot" function.
You had to fat-finger the boot in through the console. It was a 20 or 25
instruction program that everyone had to memorize. I also learned to
write "diagnostics" by fat fingering in programs through the console.
Interestingly, the machine was a 24-bit machine. Worked well with either
6-bit "BCD" (pre-ASCII?), or 8-bit ASCII.
Ahhh. the good old days.
bp
On 7/10/2016 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle
switches to read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague
recollection of a 2 step compiler or maybe assembler where not only
was the source code on paper tape, but the intermediate step was
punched onto paper tape and then read back in. Or maybe that’s a bad
dream I had.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which
used a z80 cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break.
Assuming the compiler finished without errors, the link step was long
enough to walk to lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not
finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies
are slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed
things up. I think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my
first z80 assembly code. Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going
for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first
syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours
for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
*From:* David Milholen <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Remember paper tape? I remember entering the boot code from toggle switches to
read the OS from paper tape. And I have a vague recollection of a 2 step
compiler or maybe assembler where not only was the source code on paper tape,
but the intermediate step was punched onto paper tape and then read back in.
Or maybe that’s a bad dream I had.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:59 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which used a z80
cp/m system for motion control.
The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break. Assuming the
compiler finished without errors, the link step was long enough to walk to
lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not finish.
At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies are
slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed things up. I
think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my first z80 assembly code.
Cut the time to almost nothing..
Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks.
On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for coffee,
then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the
printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
From: David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I
remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago
from my perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It
auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But
does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04.
It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console
password, etc.
The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
in 1971, I was a twinkle in daddies eye On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Well, it wasn’t a “real” program. It was on a mainframe at the Oregon > Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) it was a moon lander problem. You > had to calculate a rocket engine burn to make the lander touch down within > a certain range of velocities. More of an algorithm or formula. I was in > grade school. And I didn’t get it right. In 1971 I built an analog > computer. That was more fun. > > *From:* David Milholen > *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 6:15 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > > Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) > > > > On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > But that is not very long... > I wrote my first program in something like 1968. > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I > remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long > ago from my perspective. > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It > auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But > does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. > > It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console > password, etc. > > The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > > > > -- > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Some of my really early work was helping to program a system which used a z80 cp/m system for motion control. The compile step was long enough for a coffee or soda break. Assuming the compiler finished without errors, the link step was long enough to walk to lunch, get lunch, and come back. And still not finish. At some point we figured out that the process was disk bound (floppies are slow). So we built a ram disk card for the s100 system to speed things up. I think the cp/m driver for that card may have been my first z80 assembly code. Cut the time to almost nothing.. Sadly, that ended our forced lunch breaks. On Jul 9, 2016 11:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for > coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error. > > I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the > printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400). > > *From:* David Milholen > *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > > Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) > > > > On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > But that is not very long... > I wrote my first program in something like 1968. > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I > remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long > ago from my perspective. > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It > auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But > does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. > > It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console > password, etc. > > The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > > > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I used the TRS-80 to calculate the curve (coordinates) for the first parabolic
antenna I made. 12’ C band earth station for TVRO. Probably around 1978 or
1979.
From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 11:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
First Fortran program: 1973 least squares fit platform: IBM 360 First
program, assy 1972 least squares fit... _Still_ have a TRS-80 stuck away in a
box somewhere... Never really did anything on it as I got a Mac a little
while later... I was using a Northstar before then for anything serious...
On 7/9/16 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for coffee,
then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error.
I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the
printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400).
From: David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :)
On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But that is not very long...
I wrote my first program in something like 1968.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I
remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago
from my perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It
auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But
does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04.
It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console
password, etc.
The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
First Fortran program: 1973 least squares fit platform: IBM 360 First program, assy 1972 least squares fit... _Still_ have a TRS-80 stuck away in a box somewhere... Never really did anything on it as I got a Mac a little while later... I was using a Northstar before then for anything serious... On 7/9/16 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error. I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80. *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400). *From:* David Milholen <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------ *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> --
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
How about compiling a fortran program on an Apple IIe and going for coffee, then a half hour later coming back to see your first syntax error. I had a TRS-80 too. And the Timex Sinclair Z80. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400). From: David Milholen Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP --
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Well, it wasn’t a “real” program. It was on a mainframe at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) it was a moon lander problem. You had to calculate a rocket engine burn to make the lander touch down within a certain range of velocities. More of an algorithm or formula. I was in grade school. And I didn’t get it right. In 1971 I built an analog computer. That was more fun. From: David Milholen Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP --
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I remember submitting punchcard decks and waiting a couple hours for the printout off the mainframe (CDC 6400). From: David Milholen Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP --
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Got me by a few years in 1979 was my first :) On 7/9/2016 12:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Chuck McCown" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -------- *From: *"Chuck McCown" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> --
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I was trying not to go there, but... My parents were 10 in 1968. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:13:19 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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I /liked/ Fedora Core enough that I never looked back, lol. Just recently upgraded to Fedora 24 on my laptop. Zero issues. On 07/08/2016 09:49 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/8/16 6:27 PM, George Skorup wrote: I've used RedHat-based shit for like.. ever. Call me a Lunix distro racist, even RedHat supremacist if you like. Now get off my lawn. I learned on Red Hat, but the last one I used in production was 9. Disliked Fedora Core enough to redo everything in Debian and never looked back. ~Seth !DSPAM:2,57808244200088893010805!
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But that is not very long... I wrote my first program in something like 1968. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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On 7/8/16 6:27 PM, George Skorup wrote: I've used RedHat-based shit for like.. ever. Call me a Lunix distro racist, even RedHat supremacist if you like. Now get off my lawn. I learned on Red Hat, but the last one I used in production was 9. Disliked Fedora Core enough to redo everything in Debian and never looked back. ~Seth
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Spiffy! I really like the sound of not having to screw around setting it up... I'll definitely be giving it a try soon. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It > auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But > does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise > > It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. > > It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console > password, etc. > > The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > >
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hah. I used CentOS until 7, moved to Debian. That said, I'll use whatever distro the guide I'm reading is based on. I don't have time to figure out differences. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:27:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I've used RedHat-based shit for like.. ever. Call me a Lunix distro racist, even RedHat supremacist if you like. Now get off my lawn. On 7/8/2016 8:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Debian is better. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:16:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Dear Cambium, y u no CentOS bro? On 7/8/2016 8:10 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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I've used RedHat-based shit for like.. ever. Call me a Lunix distro
racist, even RedHat supremacist if you like. Now get off my lawn.
On 7/8/2016 8:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Debian is better. :-p
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Dear Cambium, y u no CentOS bro?
On 7/8/2016 8:10 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based?
-- Nathan
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
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*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools
package so it updates when I update the rest of the system.
You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of
Google's for you.
It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt.
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*Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04.
It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs,
console password, etc.
The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement.
#shittypasswords
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I've been running VMs for ten years. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:17:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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cat /etc/debian_version says Jessie. All of the packages say ubuntu0.14.04. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nathan Anderson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:10:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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Debian is better. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:16:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Dear Cambium, y u no CentOS bro? On 7/8/2016 8:10 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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I for one would be ecstatic at an apt-based platform, as that is what I prefer to use for my own installs that I manage. -- Nathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Dear Cambium, y u no CentOS bro? On 7/8/2016 8:10 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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It is astounding to be witness to such an acceleration of technology. I remember when VMs were scary experimental. And it was not all that long ago from my perspective. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Dear Cambium, y u no CentOS bro? On 7/8/2016 8:10 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
You run it as a VM on your platform of choice, though mine is VMWare. It auto sets up the whole environment, OS and all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:07:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
So the OVA is Debian or Ubuntu-based? -- Nathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
Oh, it comes with VMTools compiled. I would use the open-vm-tools package so it updates when I update the rest of the system. You can specify your own DNS servers, but it still appends two of Google's for you. It has packages installed that aren't required, per apt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:04:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise
I am not much of a VM or linux guy, so please forgive my ignorance. But does this mean you have to run it on an Ubuntu machine? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro On-Premise It's very easy to install, comes as an OVA built on Ubuntu 14.04. It has a nice TUI for the console to do things like changing IPs, console password, etc. The web UI has an 8 - 16 character password requirement. #shittypasswords - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
