Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Lewis Bergman]

I like ° myself

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 8:59 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not me, I use °
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> Most people use * instead of the degrees as it's easier to type.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:26:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
>
> I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but
> there was none.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> 90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?
>
> Dimensions are here
> http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna
>> does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with
>> that?
>>
>> Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation
>> pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Chuck McCown]

Not me, I use °

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

Most people use * instead of the degrees as it's easier to type.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:26:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna


I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but there was 
none.



bp


On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 

  Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna 
does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with 
that?

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation 
pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Bill Prince]

I just use my handy dandy ° key.


bp


On 8/10/2016 4:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Most people use * instead of the degrees as it's easier to type.



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*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:26:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but 
there was none.



bp


On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here

http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam
forming antenna does not mention gain, nor does it mention
beamwidth.  What's the deal with that?
Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of
radiation pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a
good place to start.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Bill Prince]

As long as we can maintain one time standard...

bp


On 8/9/2016 8:59 AM, George Skorup wrote:

More reliable timing trumps my hate for Russia.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Mike Hammett]

Most people use * instead of the degrees as it's easier to type. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:26:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 


I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but there was 
none. 

bp
 
On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 


Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna does 
not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth. What's the deal with that? 

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation 
pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Bill Prince]

I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but 
there was none.



bp


On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming
antenna does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth. 
What's the deal with that?

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of
radiation pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good
place to start.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Joe Falaschi]

Oh yea, we were having GPS issues as well the 1000 that the 2000 fixed, thanks 
for reminding me George.

Mike, we have the BSA deployed in Lake In The Hills and Carpentersville 
Illinois.  I’ll send you a private email tomorrow when I have more time.  But, 
in short I’d say deploy them if you need to get higher modulations on your 
uplink.  We were having difficulty doing 5Mbps uplinks before 2000.

Joe


> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Joe's network is the case study Cambium has put out.
> 
> Do you have ones without the receive antenna in the more suburban parts of 
> your network? Okay without or does it need it? I'm looking to add some 
> sectors to that Oswego tower that we shared and contemplating the base setup 
> or going all out. If you don't remember, the interference at that site is -70 
> to -75.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Joe Falaschi" mailto:listm...@wi.net>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:49:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> 
> We have maybe about 8 EPMP 2000 radios deployed.  I think only three have the 
> beam steer antenna on them.  All new deployments that would have been 1000 
> are now 2000 because of the filtering and the ability to bolt on the beam 
> steer antenna if needed later.  Between elevation and azimuth, I think the 
> system can choose from 1 out of 256 ways to form a beam at each time slot.  I 
> could have that wrong but I remember it being a larger number than I was 
> expecting.
> 
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Mike Hammett  <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> Worst case you deploy the ePMP 2000 radio on the new sector and then you add 
> the receive beamforming antenna when you're ready to take a drink. The better 
> antenna and radio is ~$100 more than the existing setup.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:44:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> 
> has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them 
> for this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns 
> farting butterflies
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman  <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other 
> possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse.
> 
> I'm not 100% on the number of beams.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth on 
> there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman"  <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
> Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[George Skorup]

Looks like the 1k uses the standard GlobalTop GPS receiver while the 2k 
uses the newer GTop GNSS (GPS+GLONASS, which is why it shows more sats). 
Cambium started populating the 450 APs with the GNSS receiver maybe a 
year and a half ago and it definitely maintains lock a hell of a lot 
better. More reliable timing trumps my hate for Russia.


On 8/9/2016 10:06 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We've started deploying them. We have two locations where the 1000 GPS 
antennas don't work due to (I think) STRONG 900MHz interference.
Here are two sectors horizontally 40ft away from each other, one is a 
1000 and one is a 2000 with the new sector and beamforming antenna.


1000 GPS Stats:
GPS Firmware VersionAXN_1.51_2838
Satellites Tracked  0
Satellites Visible  11


2000 GPS Stats:
GPS Firmware VersionAXN_3.20_8174
Satellites Tracked  15
Satellites Visible  19

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[can...@believewireless.net]

We've started deploying them. We have two locations where the 1000 GPS
antennas don't work due to (I think) STRONG 900MHz interference.
Here are two sectors horizontally 40ft away from each other, one is a 1000
and one is a 2000 with the new sector and beamforming antenna.

1000 GPS Stats:
GPS Firmware Version AXN_1.51_2838
Satellites Tracked 0
Satellites Visible 11

2000 GPS Stats:
GPS Firmware Version AXN_3.20_8174
Satellites Tracked 15
Satellites Visible 19

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Mike Hammett]

Joe's network is the case study Cambium has put out. 

Do you have ones without the receive antenna in the more suburban parts of your 
network? Okay without or does it need it? I'm looking to add some sectors to 
that Oswego tower that we shared and contemplating the base setup or going all 
out. If you don't remember, the interference at that site is -70 to -75. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Joe Falaschi"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:49:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 

We have maybe about 8 EPMP 2000 radios deployed. I think only three have the 
beam steer antenna on them. All new deployments that would have been 1000 are 
now 2000 because of the filtering and the ability to bolt on the beam steer 
antenna if needed later. Between elevation and azimuth, I think the system can 
choose from 1 out of 256 ways to form a beam at each time slot. I could have 
that wrong but I remember it being a larger number than I was expecting. 


Joe Falaschi 
e-vergent 








On Aug 8, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Worst case you deploy the ePMP 2000 radio on the new sector and then you add 
the receive beamforming antenna when you're ready to take a drink. The better 
antenna and radio is ~$100 more than the existing setup. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:44:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 


has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them for 
this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns farting 
butterflies 




On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



The 90*? It's been posted a bunch of times. There's really no other possibility 
for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse. 


I'm not 100% on the number of beams. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at. No gain or beamwidth on 
there. Did you hear your info verbally perhaps? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 




90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 


Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna does 
not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth. What's the deal with that? 

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation 
pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start. 















-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Joe Falaschi]

We have maybe about 8 EPMP 2000 radios deployed.  I think only three have the 
beam steer antenna on them.  All new deployments that would have been 1000 are 
now 2000 because of the filtering and the ability to bolt on the beam steer 
antenna if needed later.  Between elevation and azimuth, I think the system can 
choose from 1 out of 256 ways to form a beam at each time slot.  I could have 
that wrong but I remember it being a larger number than I was expecting.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent


> On Aug 8, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Worst case you deploy the ePMP 2000 radio on the new sector and then you add 
> the receive beamforming antenna when you're ready to take a drink. The better 
> antenna and radio is ~$100 more than the existing setup.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:44:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> 
> has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them 
> for this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns 
> farting butterflies
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman  <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other 
> possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse.
> 
> I'm not 100% on the number of beams.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth on 
> there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman"  <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
>  
> 90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 
> 
> Dimensions are here 
> http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
>  
> <http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf>
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna does 
> not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with that?
>  
> Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation 
> pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Adam Moffett]

Baltic Networks' site says they're in stocksome brave soul must have 
bought one by now.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2016 3:44:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with 
them for this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like 
unicorns farting butterflies



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:
The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other 
possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency 
reuse.


I'm not 100% on the number of beams.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or 
beamwidth on there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna


90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming 
antenna does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  
What's the deal with that?


Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of 
radiation pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good 
place to start.











--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Mike Hammett]

Worst case you deploy the ePMP 2000 radio on the new sector and then you add 
the receive beamforming antenna when you're ready to take a drink. The better 
antenna and radio is ~$100 more than the existing setup. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:44:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 


has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them for 
this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns farting 
butterflies 




On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



The 90*? It's been posted a bunch of times. There's really no other possibility 
for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse. 


I'm not 100% on the number of beams. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at. No gain or beamwidth on 
there. Did you hear your info verbally perhaps? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna 




90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 


Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna does 
not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth. What's the deal with that? 

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation 
pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start. 















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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them
for this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns
farting butterflies


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other
> possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse.
>
> I'm not 100% on the number of beams.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth
>> on there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message ------
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
>>
>>
>> 90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?
>>
>> Dimensions are here http://www.doubleradius.c
>> om/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna
>>> does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with
>>> that?
>>>
>>> Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation
>>> pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Josh Luthman]

The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other
possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse.

I'm not 100% on the number of beams.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth on
> there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
>
>
> 90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?
>
> Dimensions are here http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/
> Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna
>> does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with
>> that?
>>
>> Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation
>> pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Adam Moffett]

That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth 
on there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna


90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming 
antenna does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's 
the deal with that?


Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of 
radiation pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good 
place to start.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Josh Luthman]

90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming antenna
> does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth.  What's the deal with
> that?
>
> Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of radiation
> pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good place to start.
>
>
>