Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[rouncer81]

That movie looks like so much fun!!!  If I saw it when I was little I would 
have been in a strange fantasy world!!!
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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[John Rose]

Don't forget the gun is good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVakHZp5ZBE

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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[John Rose]

Need an Airsoft version... 
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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[rouncer81]

Yes,  that is indeed the problem when half your brain is on the ground behind 
you.
But id like to see a boxing robot end up just as dangerous as one with a gun,   
 then even not even arming them they still present a problem to the young 
developing scientist.
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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[Steve Richfield]

I ran into this interesting video of what another AI developer has made.
Everyone in this business needs to think about being on the receiving end
of THIS technology.

https://youtu.be/RxBa5bQfTGc

BTW, for $600 you can buy one.

Steve

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:20 AM John Rose  wrote:

> On Thursday, October 10, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
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> Backchannel uses TOR so it requires an internet connection.
>
>
> They use a modified TOR, but I have a relationship with them so I will
> avoid discussing...
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> What do you think of QUIC which is rolling out:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC
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On Thursday, October 10, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> Backchannel uses TOR so it requires an internet connection.

They use a modified TOR, but I have a relationship with them so I will avoid 
discussing...

What do you think of QUIC which is rolling out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC

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[Matt Mahoney]

Backchannel uses TOR so it requires an internet connection. Steve had an
idea a few years ago for direct P2P intrrner between phones over WiFi,
which the protocol supports but is not widely used because of a bug (now
fixed) that caused the protocol to drastically slow down. The bug was a 32
bit clock overflow, but it took a long time to find and prompted the
development of Bluetooth as a replacement to do the same thing.

At the time we didn't see a big need for it, but now repressive
governments, having learned from the Arab Spring, routinely turn off the
internet to quell dissent. Kashmir has been without internet or phone
service for months to preemptively suppress opposition to India revoking
their autonomous status. Syria and many African countries do this.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/countries-internet-shutdown-statistics-2019-6

The big technical problems are the short range of WiFi and battery drain.

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> P2P WiFi network on mobile devices, no towers, then run hyper secure
> decentralized blockchain comm like this
> https://www.backchannel.live/#about
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> Have fun tracing that suckas!
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[John Rose]

P2P WiFi network on mobile devices, no towers, then run hyper secure 
decentralized blockchain comm like this https://www.backchannel.live/#about

Have fun tracing that suckas!
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[John Rose]

On Wednesday, October 09, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Steve Richfield wrote:
> It appears to be possible to build a device that emulates a cell tower, but 
> only to certain cell phones, which would provide for SECURE communications. 
> Also, such a device could connect to cell towers to relay calls, thereby 
> obscuring the locations of the phones.

There is a product that does similar to this that came out a few years ago... 
trying to remember... I think it was a communications app that worked when not 
connected to the internet. Some sort of pause and relay later methodology.

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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[John Rose]

LOL:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7547413/Student-project-places-one-persons-face-thwart-facial-recognition-software.html

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Re: [agi] International AI Issues

[Steve Richfield]

John,

I petitioned EyeBuyDirect to produce glasses that would mislead facial
recognition devices. I even volunteered to do the optical engineering
needed to assure success. They responded that they sell to the market, and
so far, I was the ONLY one requesting such glasses. I suspect that with
enough money to purchase a carload of such glasses and sell them into
China, someone could throw a BIG monkey wrench into facial recognition.
Their "cover story" would be that they hide ugly eyes, and provide for
cat-eyes and other artistic eyes.

Of course facial recognition isn't the only such issue. It appears to be
possible to build a device that emulates a cell tower, but only to certain
cell phones, which would provide for SECURE communications. Also, such a
device could connect to cell towers to relay calls, thereby obscuring the
locations of the phones.

There are relatively simply ways to subvert these early AI systems.
Countermeasures should be deployed quickly, before enough money is
concentrated to literally throw billions of dollars at overcoming
countermeasures.

Do you happen to know anyone with a million dollars or so, who might like
to invest it into developing such products? This really wouldn't take a
fortune to get going. This could easily start out as a garage-sized
business.

Thoughts?

Steve

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> On Wednesday, October 09, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Steve Richfield wrote:
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> This will get MUCH worse.
>
>
> Yes and we need to somehow avoid another thousand year totalitarian
> situation before it starts.
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> Hmmm how to do that
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[John Rose]

On Wednesday, October 09, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Steve Richfield wrote:
> This will get MUCH worse.

Yes and we need to somehow avoid another thousand year totalitarian situation 
before it starts.

Hmmm how to do that
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[Steve Richfield]

John,

More than interesting - more like prophetic, maybe the beginnings of an
antitechnology movement that I have been expecting.

I suspect the Unibomber was right, but a bit premature. Civilization has
come to an inflection point, where the detriments of new technology are
starting to exceed its benefits.

More and more new technology will be seen as bad, e.g. they even took the
dating sites off of Craigslist.

Probably the single worst influence is some of the people right here on
this forum, who think that any damage that AI does must be good, so they
promote it despite the dangers to society and even to themselves.

This will get MUCH worse.

Steve


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> Interesting:
>
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-to-blacklist-chinese-artificial-intelligence-companies-2019-10-07
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> Also interesting:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE
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