RE: [agi] Google as a strong AI

2005-03-14 Thread Ophir Shai
 By that measure, a paper and pen (nevermind that man behind the
curtain doing
 all the work of answering your queries) would qualify.

But there's no man behind Google's curtain.

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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:21:34PM +0200, Ophir Shai wrote:

 Google Sets is able to find a common match between 2 words, and find
 additional words in the sequence. This is certainly a measurement for
 intelligence (which is done in psychometric tests).

By that measure, a paper and pen (nevermind that man behind the curtain
doing
all the work of answering your queries) would qualify.

Finding simple patterns in human input is not very intelligent.  

I'm surprised some AI people are setting their sights so low as to look
for
general intelligence in artifacts which are designed to do simple tasks.

Now if Google would cluster images by machine vision solely, that would
be
something. 

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RE: [agi] Teaching AI's to self-modify

2004-08-16 Thread Ophir Shai
Title: Message



Hello Ben,
Is 
there a prototype of Novamente I can download and run on a PC, for NLP 
purposes?..
Thanks,
Shai.

  
  -Original Message-From: Ben Goertzel 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:05 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [agi] Teaching AI's 
  to self-modify
  
  Hi Dennis,
  
  Sorry for the long delay in reply, I've been on vacation and am now 
  plowing through a big pile of backed-up emails
  
  To answer your three questions...
  
  1) We have an NLP framework that uses a variation of the carnegie-mellon 
  "link parser" together with a bunch of special "semantic algorithms" for 
  mapping syntactic links into semantic ones, and some probabilistic inference 
  based algorithms for semantic disambiguation  reference resolution. 
  Given a sentence this framework makes a number of prioritized guesses 
  regarding the correct interpretation of the sentence. The user gets to 
  view these guesses and correct them via a UI; for instance, they can select 
  from several possible parses, they can change the selected meaning of a word 
  to a different one (choosing from a menu of known meanings or defining a new 
  one), etc. The overall process is much slower than just freely typing in 
  natural language, but much faster than entering knowledge using an expert 
  system, formal logic based approach.
  
  This will go into commercial use for one of our customers as of early 
  september.
  
  2) Of course, I agree that ambiguity can never be fully eliminated 
  from natural language. NOvamente internally can deal with 
  ambiguity. 
  
  3) As for an example of a program generated by Sasha In 
  language processing, an example would be an algorithm for reference resolution 
  --- normally one would code such a thing in C++ and stick it in a Novamente 
  MindAgent, but if one codes it in Sasha then Novamente can not only execute it 
  but also study and modify it, because it will be represented in the form of 
  Novamente nodes and links. In a vision context, an example would be an 
  algorithm for edge detection.
  
  This is less far along than INLINK. Right now we are using Sasha to 
  generate programs doing simple math stuff and list manipulations 
  etc.Over the next couple months we will hook it into the rest of 
  Novamente and start using it for applications like the ones described 
  above. The point is, it's a way of getting procedural knowledge into the 
  system in a precise yet learnable/adaptable way. Whereas INLINK is a way 
  of getting declarative knowledge into the system.
  
  Not very much like the process of teaching a human infant, of 
  course. I think that kind of experiential interactive learning is going 
  to be critical to teaching Novamente, BUT, I think it makes sense to augment 
  it with these kinds of tricks like INLINK and Sasha, as a way of overcoming 
  the deficit Novamente has, compared to humans, in terms of its lack of an 
  evolved cognitive endowment.
  
  I plan to write a document on this stuff during the next few days (or 
  perhaps the next week if things go slowly), and I'll post it to the list when 
  I do...
  --Ben G
  
  Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Ben,1) 
Could you describe what is the architecture of you INLINKinteractive 
framework?How is it going to handle natural language?2) I doubt 
that it's possible to communicate in natural languagecompletely 
unambiguously. There always will be some uncertainty.Intelligent system 
itself will have to decide how to interpretincoming message.3) 
Could you give an example of a program which will be generated bySasha 
programming framework?Sunday, July 4, 2004, 8:58:01 AM, you 
wrote:BG We're developing two powerful methods for communicating 
with Novamente:BG 1) the INLINK interactive NL framework, which 
allows naturalBG language to be communicated to Novamente correctly 
andBG unambiguouslyBG 2) the Sasha programming 
framework, which allows the easyBG construction of software programs 
that manipulate Novamente nodesBG and links [and, rapid executable 
versions of these programs willBG be produced via supercompilation, 
www.supercompilers.com]. RightBG now, Novamente MindAgents, the 
processes that guide NovamenteBG cognition, are coded as C++ objects 
which are opaque to NovamenteBG cognition; but with the advent of 
Sasha, we'll be able to codeBG MindAgents as Novamente nodes and 
links which can in principle beBG modified/improved/replaced by 
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[agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-08-24 Thread Ophir Shai
Title: Web Consciousness and self consciousness





Here is a pointer for a very short paper I wrote, trying to explain what is the web self consciousness, and self concsionsness in general.

Would be glad to get your feedback,
Thanks,
Shai.


http://www.geocities.com/romnof/TheWebConsciousMachine.htm 





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RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-08-24 Thread Ophir Shai
Title: RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness





You're right. Sorry.
Attached is a word version.
Thanks,
Shai.



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From: Brad Wyble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness




Just a word of advice, you'd get more and better feedback if your .htm 
didn't crash IE.


If you've got some wierd html in there, tone it down a bit.




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