Re: [agi] Limitations ... There will always be some...
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:29:01PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some may want to understand the CNS/Brain process while others may decide to improve beyond the CNS/Brain biological process called thinking. Yes, but AI still runs on a physical computer. We know how an optimal computer looks like -- it's a cellular globally-asynchronous locally-coupled system. We're moving there, at both ends of design space (clusters and bare semiconductor), but it's pretty slow so far. To that I say computational cost of cpu time, instructions executed and resources will be important considerations of any configuration in AGI. I'm posting this stuff because there's a strong school in AI which is hardware agnostic, and thinks that it's all complicated algorithms all the way down. Other people (me included) think we're computationally starved, and will be for a long time. The future target hardware will not run today's codes with any efficiency, unless you design for it explicitly, today. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpDu4kphzLzr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [agi] Limitations ... There will always be some...
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 07:43:04AM -0500, Dan Goe wrote: Any code of today will probable become modified depending on how fast code evolution takes place. If your basic architecture is not embarassingly parallel, evolution (aka chuck out the code base and start from scratch, iterate as opposed to refactor) won't pull you out. It's an issue of initial design. This isn't a web browser, or a database. Automobiles have developed over the years... An automobile will never take off, make a few fly-by sling shots, softly land and send pictures from Titan. That's a different design space. You need to start with a rocket, not a car. Code is changing and being improved. New ways are taking the place of old. From blunt force attack to smarter thinking. No smart thinking will give you artificial intelligence on a 1 MHz 6502. There is a shorter way to get their by sailing around the world ... We've heard this before. Change and evolution is inevitable, the question is the rate The stock market will fluctuate... So goes the world... Do you want to be a part of the evolution or wait till? Who believes there is a different route to the riches of the new world? Who among you are Men of vision and ideas or men with 1 wide paper to write down their thoughts? A SureTrade Commericial said... Insight is critical. Everything that you respond to has already taken place. Understanding and being able to act on that knowledge is power. Fail to do either and you are simply left a witness to history. Comments? To what? You didn't say anything in above passage I could comment on. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpSVsVYQcA56.pgp Description: PGP signature
[agi] Limitations ... There will always be some...
There will always be some limitations... to that all that can be done is optomize and move on till the higher speed links come to the web users. Although any group might be able to team up with those that are offering high speed web services and help them get customers and help our cause also. A private network might be an alternative for generating funds and interconnections of computers also. Although there maybe other alternative systems coming to the market. As both Machine speed/systems and links develope the tasks can be well defined and the AGI process can move forward. Some may want to understand the CNS/Brain process while others may decide to improve beyond the CNS/Brain biological process called thinking. To that I say computational cost of cpu time, instructions executed and resources will be important considerations of any configuration in AGI. Dan Goe From : Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : agi@v2.listbox.com Subject : Re: [agi] RE: non-traditional processors or GPUs (fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date : Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:20:51 +0100 On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:33:35PM -0500, Dan Goe wrote: What about PVM(Parallel Virtual Machine) or MVS ? Shared-memory is an expensive (exponentially so, if you want to maintain coherency of N spatially separated instances of same data in write-intensive context) mirage. But sure, you can combine GPUs with MPI, assuming you can make your problem spatial-tesselation, exchange-only-surfaces-of-adjacent-volume-regions. Most physical simulations can be formulated in this way, and the CNS is just an anisotropic nonlinear excitable 3D medium as far as physics is concerned. Dan Goe - Original Message - From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: [agi] RE: non-traditional processors or GPUs (fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
