Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Quazie]

I bid 12 shinies.

The Cagliostro what a place - a lovely little shithole passed from scammer
to slum lord, and it has finally ehard up here: agoran public housing.
It's not much, but there's a roof, and it mostly doesn't leak, it's got
walls, and they mostly don't have mice living  in them - it's got beds, and
some of them don't  have bed bugs.  But you're out on your luck, so this
will have to do.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 21:09 Nicholas Evans  wrote:

> I bid 11 shinies. I'll write a blurb later.
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 11:02 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:
>
>> As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
>> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>>
>> For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate
>> Auctions”). In summary:
>>
>> * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
>> * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for themselves.
>> * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes such
>> a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
>>
>> The auction will end in exactly seven days.
>>
>> As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
>>
>> * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb describing
>> the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include that blurb
>> in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for me to do so.
>>
>> * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the player
>> who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the winning
>> bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after resolving
>> the auction.
>>
>> I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>>
>> -o
>>
>

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

[Owen Jacobson]

My proposal would have inadvertently allowed non-players to keep eir shiny 
balances, which I did not intend. I withdraw the proposal “Organization Repeal” 
and submit the following proposal in its place:

Title: Organization Repeal
Author: o
AI: 3.0

{{{
Destroy each Organization.

Repeal rule 2459 ("Organizations").

Repeal rule 2461 ("Death and Birth of Organizations").

Repeal rule 2460 ("Organizational Restructuring").

Repeal rule 2457 ("Lockout").

Repeal rule 2458 ("Invoking Lockout").

Repeal rule 2462 ("Bankruptcy").

Amend rule 2456 ("The Secretary") by

  * Changing its title to "The Treasuror", then by
  * Replacing its text, entirely, with:

{{{
The Treasuror is an office, and the recordkeepor of Shinies.

The Treasuror's weekly report also includes:

1. the current Floating Value, and all derived values
   defined by the Rules.
}}}

Make o the Treasuror.

Amend rule 2166 ("Assets") by:

* Replacing the paragraph:

{{{
Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership
of an asset is restricted to Agora, persons, and
organizations.
}}}

with:

{{{
Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership
of an asset is restricted to Agora and persons.
}}}

then by

* Removing the paragraph:

{{{
An organization's charter CAN specify whether or not that
organization is willing receive assets or a class of
assets. Generally, an organization CANNOT be given assets
its charter states that it is unwilling to receive. The
previous provisions of this paragraph do not apply to an
asset if the organization is required to provide that asset
in order to continue existing.
}}}

Amend rule 2489 ("Estates") by replacing the first sentence with:

{{{
An Estate is a type of indestructible liquid asset, which
may be owned by players or Agora.
}}}

Amend rule 2491 ("Estate Auctions") by replacing its text,
entirely, with:

{{{
At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one
Estate, the Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by
Agora up for auction, by announcement. Each auction ends
seven days after it begins.

During an auction, any player may bid a number of Shinies
by announcement, provided that the bid is higher than any
previously-placed bid in the same auction.

If, at the end of the auction, there is a single highest
bid, then the player who placed that bid wins the auction.
The player who placed the winning bid CAN cause Agora to
transfer the auctioned Estate to the winner by
announcement, if e pays Agora the amount of the bid. E
SHALL do so in a timely fashion.
}}}

Amend rule 2483 ("Economics") by replacing its text, entirely, with:

{{{
Shinies (singular "shiny", abbreviated "sh.") are an
indestructible liquid currency, and the official currency
of Agora. Shinies may be owned by players, or by Agora. The
Treasuror is the recordkeepor for shinies.

The Treasuror CAN cause Agora to pay any player or
organization by announcement if doing so is specified by a
rule.
}}}

Repeal rule 2485 ("You can't take it with you").

Amend the following rules, in order, by replacing the word
"Secretary" with the word "Treasuror" wherever it appears:

* Rule 2487 ("Shiny Supply Level")
* Rule 2498 ("Economic Wins")
* Rule 2497 ("Floating Value")
}}}



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BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

[Owen Jacobson]

I submit the following proposal.

Title: Organization Repeal
Author: o
AI: 3.0

{{{
Destroy each Organization.

Repeal rule 2459 ("Organizations").

Repeal rule 2461 ("Death and Birth of Organizations").

Repeal rule 2460 ("Organizational Restructuring").

Repeal rule 2457 ("Lockout").

Repeal rule 2458 ("Invoking Lockout").

Repeal rule 2462 ("Bankruptcy").

Amend rule 2456 ("The Secretary") by

  * Changing its title to "The Treasuror", then by
  * Replacing its text, entirely, with:

{{{
The Treasuror is an office, and the recordkeepor of Shinies.

The Treasuror's weekly report also includes:

1. the current Floating Value, and all derived values
   defined by the Rules.
}}}

Make o the Treasuror.

Amend rule 2166 ("Assets") by:

* Replacing the paragraph:

{{{
Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership
of an asset is restricted to Agora, persons, and
organizations.
}}}

with:

{{{
Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership
of an asset is restricted to Agora and persons.
}}}

then by

* Removing the paragraph:

{{{
An organization's charter CAN specify whether or not that
organization is willing receive assets or a class of
assets. Generally, an organization CANNOT be given assets
its charter states that it is unwilling to receive. The
previous provisions of this paragraph do not apply to an
asset if the organization is required to provide that asset
in order to continue existing.
}}}

Amend rule 2489 ("Estates") by replacing the first sentence with:

{{{
An Estate is a type of indestructible liquid asset.
}}}

Amend rule 2491 ("Estate Auctions") by replacing its text,
entirely, with:

{{{
At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one
Estate, the Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by
Agora up for auction, by announcement. Each auction ends
seven days after it begins.

During an auction, any player may bid a number of Shinies
by announcement, provided that the bid is higher than any
previously-placed bid in the same auction.

If, at the end of the auction, there is a single highest
bid, then the player who placed that bid wins the auction.
The player who placed the winning bid CAN cause Agora to
transfer the auctioned Estate to the winner by
announcement, if e pays Agora the amount of the bid. E
SHALL do so in a timely fashion.
}}}

Amend rule 2483 ("Economics") by replacing its text, entirely, with:

{{{
Shinies (singular "shiny", abbreviated "sh.") are an
indestructible liquid currency, and the official currency
of Agora. The Treasuror is the recordkeepor for shinies.

The Treasuror CAN cause Agora to pay any player or
organization by announcement if doing so is specified by a
rule.
}}}

Repeal rule 2485 ("You can't take it with you").

Amend the following rules, in order, by replacing the word
"Secretary" with the word "Treasuror" wherever it appears:

* Rule 2487 ("Shiny Supply Level")
* Rule 2498 ("Economic Wins")
* Rule 2497 ("Floating Value")
}}}

I’ll pend it in a few days if nobody objects too hard.

-o



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Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Nicholas Evans]

I bid 11 shinies. I'll write a blurb later.

On Sep 1, 2017 11:02 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:

> As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>
> For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate Auctions”).
> In summary:
>
> * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
> * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for themselves.
> * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes such a
> bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
>
> The auction will end in exactly seven days.
>
> As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
>
> * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb describing
> the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include that blurb
> in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for me to do so.
>
> * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the player
> who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the winning
> bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after resolving
> the auction.
>
> I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>
> -o
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Monthly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> Secretary's Monthly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Fri  1 Sep 2017

I claim a reward of 5 sh. for publishing this report.

-o



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BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Owen Jacobson]

As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate auction, 
for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.

For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate Auctions”). In 
summary:

* Bids may only be placed by announcement.
* Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for themselves.
* Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes such a bid 
Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.

The auction will end in exactly seven days.

As is my custom, I pledge as follows:

* If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb describing the 
region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include that blurb in at 
least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for me to do so.

* If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the player who 
made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the winning bid, 
rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after resolving the auction.

I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.

-o


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BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3553 reassigned to o

[Owen Jacobson]

First, the procedural parts, and a note:

On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:42 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:

> I point my finger at P.S.S. for violations of Rule 2143, which states
> that: "A person SHALL NOT publish information that is inaccurate or
> misleading while performing an official duty, or within a document
> purporting to be part of any person or office's weekly or monthly
> report." I recommend a sentence of yellow card. These errors, while
> independently insignificant, together have a "a significant, though
> small, impact on gameplay" (Rule 2427), if nothing else because
> they're an annoying distraction.

Note that this sentence was upheld by the Referee[0].

[0] http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg29045.html

This will be relevant to the judgement.

> I AP-CFJ "The most recent document, published to agora-official, and
> purporting to be the Registrar's report, was not in fact a report."

On Mon, 2017-08-14 at 04:58 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:

> This is CFJ 3552. I assign it to omd.

On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:

> I remove omd as judge of this CFJ (which is actually numbered 3553),
> and assign it to o.

Now, the meat of the matter.

On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:42 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:

> Caller's arguments: CFJ 2392 makes it clear that deliberately
> inaccurate reports are not reports. CFJ 3462 (which I judged)
> extended
> this to apply to reports that "exhibit gross sloppiness and
> negligence, equivalent in severity to lying in the report or not
> publishing it." That's a rather high bar to meet, but I believe this
> situation qualifies. Here, repeated CoEs and a-d discussion, some of
> which involved P.S.S. emself, have discussed the situation. It is
> matter well supported by the public record that this error has
> occurred numerous times (see for example [1], [2]). Under
> circumstances, I believe the CFJ 3462 standard is met. To be clear,
> this CFJ raises a Rule 2201 doubt regarding the report.
> 
> [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg29024.html
> [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28918.html

Aris’ summary of CFJs 2392 and 3462 are correct. As a card was issued, it’s 
clear that the level of sloppy editing did rise to the level required to meet 
the CFJ 3472 standard:

> In the meantime, while there will never be a bright line for this, the 
> standard is that the purported report has to exhibit gross sloppiness and 
> negligence, equivalent in severity to lying in the report or not publishing 
> it.

I find the statement

> The most recent document, published to agora-official, and purporting to be 
> the Registrar's report, was not in fact a report.

to be TRUE.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I endorse G.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Alex Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 15:12 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:
>> I initiate the Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in the
>> judgement of CFJ 3537.
> 
> I vote REMIT. The original judge appears to be unsatisfied both with
> eir judgement and eir ability to judge the case; additionally, the
> history of the case is very confused, and a REMIT result will give
> certainty about the current status of the case.
> 
> --
> ais523



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Alex Smith  wrote:
> 
> I initiate the Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in the
> judgement of CFJ 3537.

I vote REMIT.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

[Kerim Aydin]

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 15:12 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:
> > I initiate the Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in the
> > judgement of CFJ 3537.
> 
> I vote REMIT. The original judge appears to be unsatisfied both with
> eir judgement and eir ability to judge the case; additionally, the
> history of the case is very confused, and a REMIT result will give
> certainty about the current status of the case.

Endorse ais523, because e remembers the difference between remand and
remit so I don't have to look.  -G.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

[Alex Smith]

On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 15:12 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:
> I initiate the Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in the
> judgement of CFJ 3537.

I vote REMIT. The original judge appears to be unsatisfied both with
eir judgement and eir ability to judge the case; additionally, the
history of the case is very confused, and a REMIT result will give
certainty about the current status of the case. 

-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor draft report

[Nicholas Evans]

TTttPF

On Sep 1, 2017 7:32 AM, wrote:

> I withdraw the proposal titled Debts.
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 1:21 AM, "Aris Merchant"  gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> nichdel, is debts being pulled? I should be releasing fairly soonish (as
>> in the next day or two).
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:30 PM Nic Evans  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
>>> >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular
>>> payday
>>> >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players.
>>> > This is where I disagree, primarily.  We've never had a system that
>>> didn't
>>> > allow a base level of activity on a weekly or monthly level (proposals
>>> & CFJs)
>>> > just for being a player.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I see the complaint here. Under AP there is a minimum, and
>>> in Debts you can just keep making CFJs and proposals indefinitely - you
>>> just can't buy stamps or estates until you settle debts.
>>>
>>> What I mean here is that giving X shinies to each player is a
>>> compounding advantage for players that are really good with shinies.
>>> They don't need that advantage. Thus, any free shinies should be given
>>> out based on need, and when a player reaches a point where they can
>>> efficiently use their shinies, they don't receive the bonus anymore.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > And officer-work, volunteer as it is, has always granted perks within
>>> the
>>> > system, and I think it's important to reward work.  I'm not sure why a
>>> regular
>>> > payday is a bad thing - if accumulation is an issue, I'd suggest
>>> dealing with
>>> > it on the other side with taxes.
>>> >
>>> > I'm willing to try various systems, but don't like moving away from the
>>> > two principles of "everyone's allowed to have a base activity level"
>>> and
>>> > "officers get some rewards above that".
>>> >
>>> >> Actually, on this note maybe we should consider a monthly set of shiny
>>> >> rewards for minor achivements. Things like:
>>> >>
>>> >> *Authoring the most passed proposals in the last month
>>> >> *Judging the most CFJs in the last month
>>> >> *Being the director of the most used agency in the last month
>>> >> *Etc
>>> >>
>>> >> Ideally, things that any player could accomplish at any time.
>>> > An old system we had:
>>> >
>>> > You could be awarded Boons for doing good things and Albatrosses for
>>> doing
>>> > bad things.  Everything from standard office-keeping to random
>>> occasional
>>> > things (like Birthday recognition) granted boons.  Monthly activity
>>> level
>>> > each month was Base + Boons - Albatrosses (as earned in previous
>>> month).
>>> >
>>> > Glance through following randomly-selected ruleset for Boon to see
>>> range of
>>> > things we awarded:
>>> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora
>>> -official/2004-September/001691.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>