Re: BUS: CFJ Initiation

2017-10-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-10-30 at 13:28 +1100, Telnaior wrote:
> Following the precedent that will hopefully be set in CFJ**3587, it is 
> clear that parties to the contract 'Judicial Activism: the Contract' are 
> bound to act within the best interests of the game. I believe that lying 
> to fellow law-abiding players, even in the discussion forum, is contrary 
> to these interests and is therefore forbidden.

Gratuitous argument: I believe that requiring players to pay
significant amounts of real money is not in the interests of the game
either, so some balance will need to be found.

-- 
ais523


BUS: CFJ Initiation

2017-10-29 Thread Telnaior
I spend an Action Point to initiate a Call for Judgement on the 
statement "VJ Rada is required to give G. a million dollars", and bar VJ 
Rada from the case. I also request that this not be judged before CFJ 
3587, as it hinges upon many of the same arguments.


Caller's Arguments (this is giving me high school debating flashbacks):

Following the precedent that will hopefully be set in CFJ**3587, it is 
clear that parties to the contract 'Judicial Activism: the Contract' are 
bound to act within the best interests of the game. I believe that lying 
to fellow law-abiding players, even in the discussion forum, is contrary 
to these interests and is therefore forbidden. It should be clear that 
this is true - disrupting the order of Agora and confusing the players 
does not help the game in any way, and makes it easier for scams to slip 
by unnoticed. This specific case is particularly egregious as VJ Rada 
was able to influence the content of an Official Proposal. There is no 
question, either, that G. is a law-abiding player - E holds three 
offices, through which it would be very easy for em to damage the 
gamestate if e wanted. As e has not, this should not be in dispute.


Having established that parties to the contract in question are not 
allowed to lie in this manner, it should be clear that VJ Rada is 
required to follow through on the agreement - as G. authored the Silly 
Person's Official Proposal as specified, VJ Rada should give em a 
million dollars. One potential objection could be that the contract 
cannot affect actions taken outside of the gamestate. I reject this 
supposition, as there is no clear requirement for the contract (or 
indeed the rules themselves) to be restricted thus. It can also be 
argued that every action taken in Agora has effects in the real world, 
due to the physical aspect of posting in the Fora. Regardless, there 
seems to be no good reason for the potential of real money trading to be 
excluded. As such, VJ Rada is on the hook for the money, as one would say.