Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] FOR 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris PRESENT 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris PRESENT 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris FOR 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] FOR
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I vote for each listed proposal.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [I found the proposal that I thought was missing. It was, as usual,
> buried in a thread. Maybe we should require people to label proposals,
> as well as reports. :)]
>
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s) AI Title Pender
>
> ---
> 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1]
> 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris
> 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris
> 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris
> 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1]
>
> The Proposal Pool is currently empty.
>
> [1] Ruberstamped official proposal
> [2] G., V.J. Rada
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
> + : By publishing this report, and before any other
> action taken by sending this message, I pay a
> paper to pend the marked proposal.
>
> //
> ID: 8053
> Title: patch patch patch
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors: Aris
>
>
> Amend the rule defining welcome packages by adding as a new item,
> appropriately numbered, at the end of the list "5 incense".
>
> Create 5 incense in the possession of each player who received a
> welcome package since April 28, 2018.
>
> //
> ID: 8054
> Title: Minimalist Contracts v2
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors: G., V.J. Rada
>
>
> Lines beginning with hashmarks ("#") and comments in square brackets ("[]")
> have no effect on the behavior of this proposal. They are not part of any
> rules
> created or amended herein, and may be considered for all game purposes to
> have been removed before its resolution.
>
> [This proposal saves allowing contracts to control or auction assets until
> we
> decide to allow them to be persons, which is its own can of worms.]
>
> # 1 Repeal
>
> Destroy all contracts.
>
> Repeal rules 2524, 2526, 2520, 2525, 2522, 2523, 2521, 2527, and 2517, in
> that order.
>
> In rule 2545 "Auctions", delete the text "or contract"
>
> In rule 2547 "The Auctioneer", delete the text "or contracts",
> change the last comma in the last sentence of the second paragraph
> to a period, deleting the all parts of the sentence beyond it, and delete
> the last paragraph.
>
> In rule 2548 "The Auction Announcer" delete the text "or contract" and
> the last sentence.
>
> In rule 2549 "Auction Initiation", delete all instances of the text
> "or contract"
>
> In rule 2550 "Bidding", replace the last comma with a full stop and
> delete all text after it, and delete all instances of the text "or
> contract"
>
> In rule 2483 "Economics", delete the text "contracts,"
>
> In rule 1994 "Ownership of Land", delete the text "Land belonging to a
> contract is called Communal Land." and delete the text "Together,
> Communal Land and Private Land are called Proprietary Land." and
> replace the text "Land belonging to any other entity is called Private
> Land." with "Land belonging to any other entity is called Private Land
> (syn. Proprietary Land)
>
> In rule 2561 "Asset Generation with Facilities", delete the text "3.
> if the facility is built on Communal Land, e must be a party to that
> contract and the text of the contract must permit em to do so." and
> renumber the fourth bullet point 3.
>
> # 2 Replacement
>
> Reenact Rule 1742, "Contracts", at power 2.5, with the following text:
>
> Any group of two or more consenting persons (the parties) may
> make an agreement among themselves with the intention that it be
> binding upon them and be governed by the rules. Such an agreement
> is known as a contract. A contract may be modified, including
> by changing the set of parties, by agreement between all existing
> parties. A contract may also terminate by agreement between all
> parties. A contract automatically terminates if the number of
> parties to it falls below two. For the purposes of this rule,
> agreement includes both consent and agreement specified by
> contract.
>
> Parties to a contract governed by the rules SHALL act in
> accordance with that contract. This obligation is not impaired
> by contradiction between the contract and any other contract, or
> between the contract and the rules.
>
> A party to a contract may act on behalf
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
On Sat, 2018-06-23 at 18:36 +0200, Corona wrote: > I CFJ: My conditional vote in the appended message evaluates to FOR each > proposal. > > Caller's arguments: while this contains a conditional referring a > hypothetical future situation, that situation is not indeterminate, as I > specified "in the next instant, before any other process regulated by the > ruleset of Agora takes place", meaning it can be unambiguously logically > derived from the present situation (that is, the present situation - my > first message and the withdrawal + my second message = the hypothetical > future situation). Gratuitous arguments: Agora does not have infinitely many players, nor is it reasonable to believe that it could have infinitely many players without a change to the rules. If other people are doing the same thing as you, then they're making the same conditional, and at some point the conditional will talk about an event that can't possibly occur (someone else voting) and thus fail to evaluate. I think that makes the whole thing collapse. -- ais523
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I CFJ: My conditional vote in the appended message evaluates to FOR each proposal. Caller's arguments: while this contains a conditional referring a hypothetical future situation, that situation is not indeterminate, as I specified "in the next instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes place", meaning it can be unambiguously logically derived from the present situation (that is, the present situation - my first message and the withdrawal + my second message = the hypothetical future situation). ~Corona On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Corona wrote: > I withdraw my vote on these proposals. > > I vote on these proposals in such a manner that, in a hypothetical > alternate gamestate identical to the current one except for me never > sending the message immediately before this one, and this message not > containing the withdrawal of my earlier vote, in case that in the next > instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes > place, a player would respond to this thread with the message "I do the > same as the last six people in this thread", their vote on all of these > proposals would evaluate to FOR all of the aforementioned proposals. > > (oops, I killed the joke, if any existed in the first place) > > > ~Corona > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Corona > wrote: > >> I vote on these proposals in such a manner that, in case that in the next >> instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes >> place, a player will respond to this thread with the message "I do the >> same as the last six people in this thread", their vote on all of these >> proposals will be valid. >> >> ~Corona >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Reuben Staley >> wrote: >> >>> I do the same as the last four people in this thread. >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 09:09 ATMunn wrote: >>> >>> > I do the same as the last three people in this thread. >>> > >>> > On 6/23/2018 6:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >>> > > I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. >>> > > >>> > > -twg >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>> > > >>> > > On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> I vote FOR each listed proposal >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant >>> > >> >>> > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> I vote as follows: >>> > >>> >>> > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender >>> > >>> > >>> > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] >>> > >>> > FOR >>> > >>> > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris >>> > >>> > FOR >>> > >>> > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris >>> > >>> > FOR >>> > >>> > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris >>> > >>> > FOR >>> > >>> > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] >>> > >>> > FOR >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -Aris >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> >>> > >> From V.J. Rada >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I withdraw my vote on these proposals. I vote on these proposals in such a manner that, in a hypothetical alternate gamestate identical to the current one except for me never sending the message immediately before this one, and this message not containing the withdrawal of my earlier vote, in case that in the next instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes place, a player would respond to this thread with the message "I do the same as the last six people in this thread", their vote on all of these proposals would evaluate to FOR all of the aforementioned proposals. (oops, I killed the joke, if any existed in the first place) ~Corona On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Corona wrote: > I vote on these proposals in such a manner that, in case that in the next > instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes > place, a player will respond to this thread with the message "I do the > same as the last six people in this thread", their vote on all of these > proposals will be valid. > > ~Corona > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Reuben Staley > wrote: > >> I do the same as the last four people in this thread. >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 09:09 ATMunn wrote: >> >> > I do the same as the last three people in this thread. >> > >> > On 6/23/2018 6:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >> > > I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. >> > > >> > > -twg >> > > >> > > >> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> > > >> > > On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I vote FOR each listed proposal >> > >> >> > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant >> > >> >> > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I vote as follows: >> > >>> >> > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender >> > >> > >> > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] >> > >> > FOR >> > >> > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris >> > >> > FOR >> > >> > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris >> > >> > FOR >> > >> > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris >> > >> > FOR >> > >> > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] >> > >> > FOR >> > >>> >> > >>> -Aris >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> >> > >> From V.J. Rada >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I vote on these proposals in such a manner that, in case that in the next instant, before any other process regulated by the ruleset of Agora takes place, a player will respond to this thread with the message "I do the same as the last six people in this thread", their vote on all of these proposals will be valid. ~Corona On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > I do the same as the last four people in this thread. > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 09:09 ATMunn wrote: > > > I do the same as the last three people in this thread. > > > > On 6/23/2018 6:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. > > > > > > -twg > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > > On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> I vote FOR each listed proposal > > >> > > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant > > >> > > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> I vote as follows: > > >>> > > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender > > > > > > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] > > > > FOR > > > > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris > > > > FOR > > > > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris > > > > FOR > > > > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris > > > > FOR > > > > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] > > > > FOR > > >>> > > >>> -Aris > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > >
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I do the same as the last four people in this thread. On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 09:09 ATMunn wrote: > I do the same as the last three people in this thread. > > On 6/23/2018 6:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. > > > > -twg > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I vote FOR each listed proposal > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant > >> > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: > >> > >>> I vote as follows: > >>> > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender > > > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] > > FOR > > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris > > FOR > > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris > > FOR > > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris > > FOR > > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] > > FOR > >>> > >>> -Aris > >> > >> -- > >> > >> From V.J. Rada > > > > >
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I do the same as the last three people in this thread. On 6/23/2018 6:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange wrote: I vote FOR each listed proposal On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: I vote as follows: ID Author(s) AI Title Pender 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] FOR 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris FOR 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris FOR 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris FOR 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] FOR -Aris -- From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 23, 2018 8:41 AM, Ned Strange wrote: > > > I vote FOR each listed proposal > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I vote as follows: > > > > > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender > > > > > > > > > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] > > > > > > FOR > > > > > > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris > > > > > > FOR > > > > > > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris > > > > > > FOR > > > > > > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris > > > > > > FOR > > > > > > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] > > > > > > FOR > > > > -Aris > > -- > > From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I vote FOR each listed proposal On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I vote as follows: > >> ID Author(s) AI Title Pender >> --- >> 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] > FOR >> 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris > FOR >> 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris > FOR >> 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris > FOR >> 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] > FOR > > -Aris -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender > --- > 8053* G., Aris 1.0 patch patch patch G. [1] FOR > 8054+ Aris, [2] 3.0 Minimalist Contracts v2 Aris FOR > 8055+ Aris, G. 3.0 Distributed Assets v3 Aris FOR > 8056+ Aris, G. 3.0 Deregulation Act v2 Aris FOR > 8057* Corona 1.0 No quorum, no medal Corona [1] FOR -Aris
