Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Jun 13, 2017, at 5:17 PM, V.J Rada  wrote:
> 
> "I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear 
> reasons, let's see what happens though”

I believe this is ineffective, as G. (Kerim) is not a player at this time. 
Under Rule 2478 (“Vigilante Justice”) you may only Point the Finger at a 
player. Under Rule 2479, the Referee may only issue Cards to players.

However, just in case, I find the above finger-pointing to be Shenanigans.

First, G. was not performing any official duty. G. likely understands why not, 
but in case it’s not obvious: saying that you’re publishing a report doesn’t 
mean that you’re actually doing so, and there’s no way G. could publish the 
Registrar’s Weekly Report at the time they sent the message in question.

Second, It’s not at all clear to me that _saying_ that you purport a thing 
implies that you materially purport a thing, if that thing would be obviously 
and blatantly impossible for you to do or purport to do.

I’d love to see an appeal on this, though. CFJ away.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

[Alex Smith]

On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 16:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> The following document is part of the Registrar's Weekly Report:
> 
> [beginning of document]
> 
>   Player   Contact Registered
>   --   --- --
>   DoggleBoon   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com    20 May 17
> 
> [end of document]

CoE: No it isn't.

-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

[Kerim Aydin]

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> You didn't claim it was part of the Registrar's Report. You claimed you
> claimed it was part of the Registrar's report, but didn't claim it
> directly.

We've generally found that "I hereby state that I do X" has the same legal
effect as "I do X" plus some syntactic sugar.  I don't see a reason to differ
from that interpretation here.  But still, let's not split hairs:


The following document is part of the Registrar's Weekly Report:

[beginning of document]

  Player   Contact Registered
  --   --- --
  DoggleBoon   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com20 May 17

[end of document]

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

[Alex Smith]

On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 10:41 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Therefore,  I purport the following document is part of the Registrar's 
> Weekly Report:

ISIDTID. I don't believe you actually purported that the document was
part of the Registrar's weekly report (I don't think any sane player
would conclude that it was); you just incorrectly said you did.

Just in case it self-ratifies, though, CoE: That is not part of the
Registrar's Weekly Report.

-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

[V.J Rada]

"I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear
reasons, let's see what happens though"

TTttPF

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:15 AM, V.J Rada  wrote:

> I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear
> reasons, let's see what happens though.
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote:
>> > 1 - Current rules are certainly not handled by 10 year old CFJs... BUT2
>> - A non-player
>> > interacting with the game can't be compelled to act, but if they do act
>> they are wilfully
>> > agreeing and can be bound by the rules - meaning they can't just do
>> illegal things and
>> > have them succeed, as they are `playing the game` and thus must abide
>> by the rules.
>>
>> No, "acting" in general within Agora is not a wilful agreement on the
>> rules in and of
>> itself.  The actual players may "play the game" by adjusting records
>> according to the
>> rules to reflect a non-player's actions, but that doesn't mean the
>> non-player has agreed
>> to it.
>>
>> They still can't do IMPOSSIBLE things, though they could do ILLEGAL
>> things and not
>> be punished.
>>
>> Let's test it, shall we?  Here's one that's written for PERSONS (Rule
>> 2143):
>>A person SHALL NOT publish information that is inaccurate or
>>misleading while performing an official duty, or within a
>>document purporting to be part of any person or office's weekly
>>or monthly report.
>>
>> Therefore,  I purport the following document is part of the Registrar's
>> Weekly Report:
>>
>> [beginning of document]
>>
>>  Player   Contact
>>  Registered
>>  --   ---
>>  --
>>  DoggleBoon   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com20 May
>> 17
>>
>> [end of document]
>>
>> I'll leave it to Players to decide how to resolve my above statement,
>> while noting
>> that I DO NOT AGREE OR CONSENT TO ABIDE OR OTHERWISE BE BOUND BY THE
>> RULES.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>