DIS: no free votes

2007-05-13 Thread Zefram
What happened to the no free votes proto?  Seems best to propose it now,
before there's a real explosion of non-natural persons.

-zefram


DIS: Re: BUS: Army of Ghosts

2007-05-13 Thread comex
On Sunday 13 May 2007 7:55 pm, Ed Murphy wrote:
 Human Point Two and I have made a R1742 binding agreement, the text of
 which is:
 [...]

I had that idea just a few minutes ago. :(


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DIS: Credit where credit is due

2007-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy

I should point out that the multi-level partnership scam was
originally Quazie's idea; I launched it solely because I was
available to do so just before the end of the Agoran week.


DIS: Re: BUS: Army of Ghosts

2007-05-13 Thread Michael Slone

On 5/13/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Human Point Two and I have made a R1742 binding agreement, the text of
which is:


1.  Did Quazie agree to let Human Point Two let Human Point Three make
   an agreement with you?

2.  And people said we didn't need Senators.  Pah!

--
C. Maud Image (Michael Slone)
When you people agree to shrink the ruleset a bit, I'll be back.
   -- The Goddess Eris, in agora-business


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Army of Ghosts

2007-05-13 Thread quazie

Michael Slone wrote:

On 5/13/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Human Point Two and I have made a R1742 binding agreement, the text of
which is:


1.  Did Quazie agree to let Human Point Two let Human Point Three make
   an agreement with you?

2.  And people said we didn't need Senators.  Pah!


I agreed to all of this.  In fact it was all my idea


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Army of Ghosts

2007-05-13 Thread quazie

Michael Slone wrote:

On 5/13/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Human Point Two and I have made a R1742 binding agreement, the text of
which is:


1.  Did Quazie agree to let Human Point Two let Human Point Three make
   an agreement with you?

2.  And people said we didn't need Senators.  Pah!

Rather not all my idea, I thought it up and Murphy planned it out, and 
then the ghosts now run a muck.


DIS: Re: BUS: Doomsday

2007-05-13 Thread Roger Hicks

Being that Primo Corporation is not a partnership, I don't believe it would
exist as a player under this new rule. As CEO, I am gravely concerned by
this language...

BobTHJ

On 5/13/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Human Point Two submits the following proposal.

Proposal:  Delete, Delete, Delete!
(AI = 2, please)

Upon the adoption of this proposal, Human Point Two wins the game.

Upon the adoption of this proposal, the following players are
deregistered:
   Human Point Three
   Human Point Four
   Human Point Five
   Human Point Six
   Human Point Seven
   Human Point Eight
   Human Point Nine
   Human Point Ten
   Human Point Eleven
   Human Point Twelve
   Human Point Thirteen
   Human Point Fourteen

Amend Rule 1023 (Common Definitions) by appending this text:

   (f) The term person shall mean natural person or
   partnership of natural persons.

Create a rule titled Limited Partnerships with this text:

   If a partnership contains exactly the same members as
   another registered partnership, then it is prohibited
   from registering.

   If a registered partnership's membership changes such
   that it contains exactly the same members as another
   registered partnership, then it is deregistered.



Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1651 assigned to Quazie

2007-05-13 Thread Taral

On 5/13/07, Michael Slone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What if someone is simply recalcitrant and maintains that Peter
Abelard is always an eligible voter if no list of eligible voters is
provided?  Here it seems that the failure of public agreement is
contingent and that it is the intent of the individual rather than the
ambiguity of the description which prevents public agreement.


You, sir, are cited for the use of domain-specific meanings in a
general context. :P

--
Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can't prove anything.
   -- Gödel's Incompetence Theorem


Re: DIS: Proto: Clarify actions

2007-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy

Maud wrote:


 Persons have certain rights and privileges.  Those rights which
 are enumerated in the rules or recognized by the Agoran courts
 may not be abridged, reduced, limited, or remove by Agoran law,

 ^^ removed

 and any provision of an otherwise binding agreement which would
 do so is unenforceable.  Those privileges which are enumerated
 in the rules or recognized by the Agoran courts are assumed to
 exist in the absence of an explicit, binding agreement to the
 contrary.  This rule takes precedence over all other rules.



 Merely possessing a right does not by itself provide a mechanism
 by which the right can be exercised.  However, the rules must
 provide mechanisms by which the following rights can be
 exercised.


I suggest adding R1698-style protection against the rules coming
to lack such mechanisms.


 (f) Each person who is a player has the right to perform
 unregulated actions.


Why not just player?


 Ends and their Means shall be considered equivalent in the
 following technical sense.  Whenever a person performs an action
 which is a Means to some End, e shall be considered to have
 performed the End, even if the End could not naturally be
 performed.  If a person somehow would simultaneously peform

  perform ^^

 multiple Means with the same End, e shall be considered to have
 thereby performed the End only once.  A person cannot perform an
 End unless there is at least one Means to that End which e can
 naturally perform.



 A player publishes or announces something by sending an
 appropriate message to a public forum.  A player performs an
 action by announcement by announcing that e performs it.  A
 player performs an action by private message to some player by
 sending an appropriate private message to the specified player.
 Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the
 time date-stampted on that message.

  stamped


Enact a rule, titled The Orderly Comparison of Threats, reading:

 The Order of the Evil Eye, or more briefly the Order, is a total
 order consisting of all nonnegative real numbers in their
 standard mathematical order together with a special element
 called Unanimity, which is strictly greater than any other
 element of the Order.

 Whenever the rules indicate that two indices are to be compared,
 they shall be compared as though they were members of the Order.


Nice re-use of name.  But why not define the Order as being a Threat?



DIS: Proto: Economy

2007-05-13 Thread Roger Hicks

This proto-proposal goes with my previous two on Currency and the Treasury,
and rounds out the other two. It attempts to create an economy with supply
and demand and gives currency a reason for existing. The caveat is that it
is somewhat complex. I'm sure it will need a lot of work:

Economy
AI: 1

Create a rule called Certification with Power 1 that reads:

{
A Player must be certified to perform any of the following actions:
* Submitting a ballot for distributed proposals
* Supporting or opposing a dependent action
* Submitting a proposal for distribution
If a player who performs one of the above actions and is not certified to
perform that action then that action is void and is treated as if the Player
never attempted to perform that action.

Players become certified for an action by obtaining a Certificate. A
Certificate is owned by a player, but is not property and may not be traded
or exchanged. Each Certificate allows a Player to perform one specific
action. Each certificate has an expiration date. The holder of a Certificate
may exercise the action specified in the certificate freely while that
Certificate is valid. When the expiration date of a Certificate is reached,
it becomes invalid and ceases to exist.

A Player may hold any number of Certificates, and holding a Certificate does
not prevent another Player from holding a Certificate of the same type.
}

Create a rule called Licenses with Power 1 that reads:
{
Certain activities are regulated under Agoran law. These activities may only
be conducted by an Agoran Player who holds a license for that activity. Any
Agoran Player may purchase a License for one of the activities regulated by
this rule by making an announcement to the Public Forum and paying the cost
of that License in Currency to the Agoran Treasury. An Agoran Player who
holds a License for a paticular activity may perform that activity on behalf
of other Agoran players, and is entitled to collect a fee for such services.


Each License has an initial cost to purchase, and in addition each License
requires a monthly renewal fee to be paid to the Agoran Treasury. Unless
otherwise specified, the cost to purchase a License shall be $2,500, and the
renewal fee for a license shall be $500. The Secretary of the Treasury shall
collect renewal fees from each Licensee as soon as possible after the first
of each month.

A Player may hold as many licenses as e wishes, and each license is
available to all Agoran Players to purchase, unless otherwise specified in
another rule of equal or higher power.

A Player may choose not to pay a License renewal fee for a license e holds
by posting an announcement to the Public Forum. A player who is unable or
unwilling to pay a license renewal fee shall lose that license, and if e
wishes to become re-licensed in that activity again, e shall have to pay the
initial license purchase fee.

The following Licenses are available for purchase:

Voter Certification License
A Player holding this license may issue a Voter's Certificate to any Player.
This Certificate must have an expiration date no further than one week
beyond the date of issue. The holder of a Voter's Certificate is certified
to submit ballots on distributed Proposals.

Dependent Action License
A Player holding this License may issue a Supporter's Certificate or an
Objector's Certificate to any Player. This Certificate must have an
expiration date no further than two weeks beyond the date of issue. The
holder of a Supporter's Certificate may support any dependent action and the
holder of an Objector's Certificate may object to any dependent action.

Proposer Certification License
A Player holding this License may issue a Proposer's Certificate to any
Player. This Certificate must have an expiration date no further than two
weeks beyond the date of issue. The holder of a Proposer's Certificate may
submit proposals for distribution.

Contractor's License
A Player holding this License may once per week create one Land as described
in the rule Land Ownership.

Digit Farming License
A Player holding this License may farm Digit Ranches, as described in the
rule Land Ownership.

Equator's License
A Player holding this License may process equations using Equation
Factories, as described in the rule Land Ownership.

Demolitions License
A Player holding this License may once per week destroy any one Land owned
by any Player.
}

Create a rule called Digits with Power 1 that reads:

{
Digits are property that may be owned by Players. There are ten types of
digits, represented by the numbers 0 through 9. All Digits of the same
numerical value are fungible and identical. As property, a player may freely
transfer digits e owns with other Players by making an announcement to the
Public Forum. Digits are regulated by the rules and may only be created or
destroyed when specified in a rule. A player may own any amount of each of
the ten Digit types.

After an Ordinary Proposal is distributed, but before voting ends,