Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> You're half right. I initiate an appeal on the question of sentence in
>>> this case.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that's unsuccessful unless I'm missing something big...
>>
>> Are you trying to argue R101(iii)?
>>
> From R2169:
>
> An appeal concerning any assignment of judgement in an equity
>  case within the past week CAN be initiated by any party to the
>  contract in question by announcement.
>
> BobTHJ
>
Is this an equity case?


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You're half right. I initiate an appeal on the question of sentence in
>> this case.
>
> I'm pretty sure that's unsuccessful unless I'm missing something big...
>
> Are you trying to argue R101(iii)?
>
>From R2169:

An appeal concerning any assignment of judgement in an equity
  case within the past week CAN be initiated by any party to the
  contract in question by announcement.

BobTHJ


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're half right. I initiate an appeal on the question of sentence in
> this case.

I'm pretty sure that's unsuccessful unless I'm missing something big...

Are you trying to argue R101(iii)?

-woggle


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>>
> I appeal this case.

I think you mean that you intend to appeal either the sentence or the
judgment on culpability with 2 support.

-woggle


Re: DIS: Impeachment proto

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Taking the above into consideration, new proto:
>
> AI=1.7
> "Impeachment"
> {
> In rule 1504, between the paragraphs describing the sentences of FINE
> and CHOKEY, add the following paragraph
> {{
> * IMPEACH from an elected office with a duration (the tariff) up to 60 days 
> multiplied by the power of the highest-power rule allegedly broken, 
> appropriate if the rule
> breach is
> related to an abuse of an elected office, or failure to perform
> duties, or other things related to an elected office that the
> defendant holds. When this sentence first becomes active., if the
> defendant still holds the relevant office, e is immediately removed
> from that office, and the IADoP SHALL, as soon as possible, nominate a
> different player to hold the office in question. If the sentence is
> active for a positive period of time, the defendant CANNOT be
> nominated for the office in question while this sentence is active.
> }}
> }
>
Reword beginning to match other tariffed sentences.


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:50 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 14:36 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote:
>>> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2028
>>>
>>> =  Criminal Case 2028  =
>>>
>>> the Reformed Bank of Agora violated R2144 by registering while
>>> having the same basis (BobTHJ and Ivan Hope CXXVII) as the
>>> Protection Racket, a registered player.
>>>
>>> 
>
> [SNIP]
>
>> Verdict: GUILTY/APOLOGY (null set of prescribed words)
>
> I CFJ on the statement "The Reformed Bank of Agora is a partnership."
>
> Arguments:
>
> By Rule 2145, a partnership must devolve its obligations onto its
> members.  This necessitates that the members be empowered to cause the
> partnership to meet its obligations.
>
> In the case of criminal apologies, Rule 1504 requires that the apology
> be submitted within 72 hours.  However, the only way for the members
> of the RBoA to cause it to submit an apology is to act on its behalf
> without three objections.  By Rule 1728, the minimum time-frame for
> performing an action without N objections is four days.  Thus, it is
> impossible (without advance warning) for the RBoA to meet an
> obligation to submit an apology.
>
> It follows that the members of the RBoA are not empowered to cause it
> to submit an apology within the time requirements for doing so.  I
> therefore claim that the RBoA does not satisfactorily devolve its
> obligations upon its members, and so it is not a partnership.

Gratuitous:

The partners can enable themselves to fulfill this obligation within
the time limit amending the RBoA with agreement of all parties.

The partners may be able to substantially postpone the obligation
by appealing the sentence before the deadline for the apology is up.

-woggle


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I think.

2008-07-03 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote:

> These were both to the PF.  Discussion ends and voting begins at
> Wed 2 Jul 17:59:17 UTC.  (Sorry, the later attempt to retract is
> unsuccessful.)

I still need one or more votes on whether to lynch Pavitra.


Re: DIS: Impeachment proto

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
Taking the above into consideration, new proto:

AI=1.7
"Impeachment"
{
In rule 1504, between the paragraphs describing the sentences of FINE
and CHOKEY, add the following paragraph
{{
* IMPEACH from an elected office the defendant currently holds for a
specified period of time (possibly none), appropriate if the rule
breach is
related to an abuse of an elected office, or failure to perform
duties, or other things related to an elected office that the
defendant holds. When this sentence first becomes active., if the
defendant still holds the relevant office, e is immediately removed
from that office, and the IADoP SHALL, as soon as possible, nominate a
different player to hold the office in question. If the sentence is
active for a positive period of time, the defendant CANNOT be
nominated for the office in question while this sentence is active.
}}
}


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ah...for some reason I thought that Apology didn't go into effect
>> until one week after the sentence, at which point you had three days
>> to respond. But I guess it doesn't have a tariff.
>>
>> This should be fixed. 72 hours doesn't seem like a reasonable
>> time-frame to me, even for first class players. I submit the following
>> proposal:
>
> I think it would be better to shuffle the one-week delay so that it
> applies to all sentences.  Proposal coming up.

Nah, I changed my mind.  I don't want to have to deal with what
happens when the ninny satisfies eir obligation before it's even
imposed.

Your proposal should make the equivalent change for the FINE sentence, though.

-root


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2028 assigned to root ais523

2008-07-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah...for some reason I thought that Apology didn't go into effect
> until one week after the sentence, at which point you had three days
> to respond. But I guess it doesn't have a tariff.
>
> This should be fixed. 72 hours doesn't seem like a reasonable
> time-frame to me, even for first class players. I submit the following
> proposal:

I think it would be better to shuffle the one-week delay so that it
applies to all sentences.  Proposal coming up.

-root


DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> VP HOLDINGS
>> Party  VP
>> ---
>> BobTHJ 62*
>> Fookiemyartug  50
>> The P2P Partnership 0
>> Goethe 35
>> comex  31
>> Murphy 50
>> pikhq  50
>> Ivan Hope  49
>> Wooble 51
>> Quazie 50
>> ehird   0
>> ais523 80*
>> Pavitra51
>> RBOA (not a party) 18
>
> CoE:  I joined the Vote Market, so should have 50 VP.
>
> -root
>
Admitted. It will be in my next report.

BobTHJ


Re: DIS: Impeachment proto

2008-07-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote:

> AI=1.7
> "Impeachment"
> {
> In rule 1504, between the paragraphs describing the sentences of FINE
> and CHOKEY, add the following paragraph
> {{
> * IMPEACH from an elected office, appropriate if the rule breach is
> related to an abuse of an elected office, or failure to perform
> duties, or other things related to an elected office that the
> defendant holds. 1 Week after this sentence is assigned, if the
   ^^
"when this sentence goes into effect"

> defendant still holds the relevant office, e is immediately removed
> from that office, and the IADoP SHALL, as soon as possible, nominate a
> different player to hold the office in question.
> }}
> }

I had a proto a while back to require the IADoP to nominate someone for
vacant offices (as well as quarterly for non-perpetual offices); I
didn't propose it in the latest round because one of the other proposals
(I think MANDATE) was already messing with that clause.

Also, you might want to strengthen this to "the defendant CANNOT be
nominated for the relevant office while the sentence is in effect or
being appealed" (allowing the judge to select the duration of the
sentence, similar to CHOKEY and EXILE).



Re: DIS: Assessor home

2008-07-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote:

> Is there any way that this could be changed not to count more than one
> vote per player on a Democratic decision? People voting too many times
> is causing me to have to work out voting ratios by hand in many cases.

I've corrected all existing cases (root on 5584; Ivan Hope on 5585-88,
5592, 5595), and will work later on creating a web entry form that
enforces voting limits.



Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote:
>> What if you had the ability to optionally avoid the forced sale and
>> instead be subject to criminal penalty? Would this be reasonable to
>> you?
>
> At this point, I'm realizing that I'm not comfortable being in a contract
> with this kind of economic character where (1) leaving the contract is limited
> in many circumstances and (2) the contract change mechanism is majority vote
> instead of without X objections.  It's too easy to give substantial economic
> power to 51% of the group.  You're making what should be "power-2 or above"
> level changes with a majority vote.
>
> That aside, I'd be comfortable with forced offering rates (must make X offers
> per N proposals at a fixed rate P when you're under water) but not ones where
> the buyer dictates absoliutely and automatically which proposal it happens
> for.
>
> I'd also suggest lowering the definition of "under water" to 40 for minimum
> (required to raise above within N days) but still 50 for being allowed to 
> quit.
> This way you get a few "freebies" (a few things you can buy without having
> to switch into sell mode).  Right now I think offers are so cheap because
> people are being forced to switch to sell mode too much (or trying to
> protect against it).
>
I think these are reasonable suggestions. I'll re-publish my changes.

BobTHJ


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote:
> What if you had the ability to optionally avoid the forced sale and
> instead be subject to criminal penalty? Would this be reasonable to
> you?

At this point, I'm realizing that I'm not comfortable being in a contract 
with this kind of economic character where (1) leaving the contract is limited 
in many circumstances and (2) the contract change mechanism is majority vote 
instead of without X objections.  It's too easy to give substantial economic 
power to 51% of the group.  You're making what should be "power-2 or above"
level changes with a majority vote.

That aside, I'd be comfortable with forced offering rates (must make X offers 
per N proposals at a fixed rate P when you're under water) but not ones where 
the buyer dictates absoliutely and automatically which proposal it happens 
for.

I'd also suggest lowering the definition of "under water" to 40 for minimum 
(required to raise above within N days) but still 50 for being allowed to quit. 
 
This way you get a few "freebies" (a few things you can buy without having 
to switch into sell mode).  Right now I think offers are so cheap because 
people are being forced to switch to sell mode too much (or trying to 
protect against it).

-Goethe





Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote:
> If the 30 days were changed to 60 days, would you support then? The
> contract is then less restrictive then it was before.

There was no mandated enforced sale previously, so it is not
less restrictive than before.  That's the part I object to.  -Goethe





DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
2008/7/3 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I mill 4 + 8 = 2.
>> I mill 4 - 4 = 0.
> Isn't 4+8=1 mod 11?
>

Oh, someone already caught that. This is what I get for looking at
mistakes and not seeing if there's any DIS thread about them..


DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mill 4 + 8 = 2.
> I mill 4 - 4 = 0.
Isn't 4+8=1 mod 11?


DIS: Impeachment proto

2008-07-03 Thread Sgeo
AI=1.7
"Impeachment"
{
In rule 1504, between the paragraphs describing the sentences of FINE
and CHOKEY, add the following paragraph
{{
* IMPEACH from an elected office, appropriate if the rule breach is
related to an abuse of an elected office, or failure to perform
duties, or other things related to an elected office that the
defendant holds. 1 Week after this sentence is assigned, if the
defendant still holds the relevant office, e is immediately removed
from that office, and the IADoP SHALL, as soon as possible, nominate a
different player to hold the office in question.
}}
}


DIS: Assessor home

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
Is there any way that this could be changed not to count more than one
vote per player on a Democratic decision? People voting too many times
is causing me to have to work out voting ratios by hand in many cases.
-- 
ais523


DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I object to anything that takes away a good-faith ability to settle
> accounts as opposed to forced selling.  This is bad, and I urge others
> not to approve. I also intend to leave the Vote Market as soon as I can,
> as it's obvious that I can't depend on a contract changable by "majority
> consent" to be anywhere near reasonably protective of an individual's
> interests.
>
> -Goethe
>

Just out of curiosity, would you find this more acceptable if the time
period for forced voting were extended beyond 16-17 days? Presently,
you must fulfill your obligations within 60 days. When you fail to do
so the likely outcome an equation that forces you to sell
anywaythis change simply saves the step of initiating the equity
case.

What if you had the ability to optionally avoid the forced sale and
instead be subject to criminal penalty? Would this be reasonable to
you?

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 09:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> I object to anything that takes away a good-faith ability to settle 
> accounts as opposed to forced selling.  This is bad, and I urge others
> not to approve. I also intend to leave the Vote Market as soon as I can, 
> as it's obvious that I can't depend on a contract changable by "majority 
> consent" to be anywhere near reasonably protective of an individual's 
> interests.
Well, the proposed change allows players 30 days to try to sort the
situation out for themselves. The previous version allowed 60 days,
after which a SHALL requirement was violated, and comex got chokeyed and
also forced to vote as requested by the other parties as a result (due
to an equity case). This new version effectively just streamlines the
equity case out of the way, instead prescribing what should happen. It
also sets a value on VP. (3 VP for a retracted and recast vote is quite
a lot, really, the mandatory forced sell is not good value on today's
vote market; you were selling this for 2VP on proposals recently, and
presumably are still doing so on all but the most recent batch.)

If the 30 days were changed to 60 days, would you support then? The
contract is then less restrictive then it was before.
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I strongly object to this change.  -Goethe
>
Both of them? To the public forum even?

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market changes

2008-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin


I strongly object to this change.  -Goethe

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote:

> Borrowing from ais523's ideas and other discussions, with the majority
> consent of the Vote Market parties I intend to amend the agreement as
> follows:
> {
> Replace section 10 with:
> {{
> A first-class party who has less than 50 VP and whose VP has been less
> than 50 for the majority of the past 30 days is an "indebted" party.
> Any non-indebted party CAN transfer 3VP to an indebted party to act on
> behalf of that party to retract any previous ballots on an Agoran
> decision and cast a number of new ballots on that decision equal to
> the indebted party's voting limit on that decision. The indebted party
> SHALL NOT retract any ballots cast this way.
> }}
>
> In section 8 replace:
> {{
> Upon such an announcement all VP held by that player are destroyed.
> }}
> with:
> {{
> Upon such an announcement 50 VP held by that player are destroyed.
> }}
>
> Create a new section with the text:
> {{
> Casting a vote of SELL (X - Y) on an Agoran decision is equivalent to
> posting a Sell Ticket with a cost of X and casting a number of ballots
> equal to your voting limit on that decision endorsing the filler of
> that ticket, or if no one fills that ticket casting a number of Y
> ballots on that decision equal to your voting limit.
> }}
> }
>
> Without three objections I intend to make the following change to the
> Vote Market agreement:
> {
> Replace section 1 with:
> {{
> The name of this contract is the Vote Market. This is a public
> contract. The parties to this contract shall collectively act to
> ensure it fulfills its obligations. If the Vote Market is not
> currently registered and is able to do so the Broker CAN and SHALL act
> on behalf of the Vote Market to register it as soon as possible. Any
> party may act on behalf of the Vote Market agreement to take any
> action except voting or retracting ballots on an Agoran Decision with
> the majority consent of the parties.
> }}
>
> Create a new section with the text:
> {{
> Whenever the VVLOD of the Vote Market increases by 1 then 5VP are
> created in the possession of the person (if any) who directly caused
> this increase. A party CAN destroy 1VP in eir possession to act on
> behalf of the Vote Market agreement to retract any previous ballots
> cast on an Agoran decision then cast a number of ballots on that
> decision equal to its voting limit.
> }}
> }
>
> BobTHJ
>




DIS: Proto: Ostracism

2008-07-03 Thread comex
Proposal: Preparing for ostracism (AI=2)
{{
Amend Rule 1504 by replacing:
  * EXILE with a duration (the tariff) up to 60 days multiplied by
the power of the highest-power rule allegedly broken,
appropriate if the severity of the rule breach is reasonably
correlated with the length of the tariff, the middle of the
tariff range being appropriate for severe rule breaches
amounting to a breach of trust.  While a sentence of this type
is active, the ninny is exiled.  No entity is exiled except as
required by this rule.  If an exiled entity is ever a player,
e is deregistered.  An exiled entity CANNOT register.
with:
  * EXILE with a duration (the tariff) up to 60 days multiplied by
the power of the highest-power rule allegedly broken,
appropriate if the severity of the rule breach is reasonably
correlated with the length of the tariff, the middle of the
tariff range being appropriate for severe rule breaches
amounting to a breach of trust.  While a sentence of this type
is active, the ninny is exiled.

Change the Power of Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) to 1.5.
Change the Power of Rule 2130 (Activity) to 1.5.

Create a new Rule (Power=1.5) titled "Exile and Ostracism", with the text:
{{
  Causing an entity to be exiled is a secured change.  If an
  exiled entity is ever a player, e is deregistered.  An exiled
  entity CANNOT register.

  Causing an entity to be ostracized is a secured change.  If an
  ostracized player is ever Active, e becomes Inactive.  An
  ostracized player's Activity CANNOT otherwise be changed, rules
  to the contrary notwithstanding.
}}

}}

Proposal: One-off ostracism (AI=2)
{{
By voting FOR this proposal you agree that an OSTRACISM is necessary
for Agora Nomic.

Create a new Rule (Power=1.5) titled "Ostracism (7/08)", with the text:
{{
  Upon the creation of this Rule, the Registrar CAN and SHALL as
  soon as possible initiate an Agoran decision to determine who
  should be ostracized.  In this decision, the valid options are
  all entities, and the eligible voters are the active players.

  When the voting period of this decision ends, if the result is
  not FAILED QUORM, the entity selected by Agora is ostracized for
  thirty days.  After that duration, this rule repeals itself.  If
  the result is FAILED QUORUM, this rule repeals itself
  immediately.

}}

}}

[Not that I actually think Agora needs an ostracism right now...]


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Quick, we have but a second....

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:46 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Time for crop watering again. I'll hold off a couple days to give you
> > time to harvest those Water Rights Vouchers.
> 
> I join the Vote Market.
> 
> I post the following Sell Ticket:
> 
> * Action: Transfer all my current lands, crops, and WRV to the filler
> of this ticket.
> * Cost: AUCTION
> 
> -root
I bid 3 VP on this ticket.
-- 
ais523


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5585-5598

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 5591  O1  1BobTHJ  Activate the PRS
> FOR (a neat way to get around the one-contest-per-contestmaster
> restriction!)

Thanks! Care to vote your EVLOD instead of a single FOR vote?

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: Hello, world

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 21:01 -0400, comex wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Indeed.  Without 3 objections, I intend to cause the Reformed Bank of
> > Agora to destroy the currencies described above from its possession,
> > in the quantities described above, except for the Vote Points.
> 
> I post a Buy Ticket:
> Cost: 2 VP
> Action:
> (a) not have objected to this attempt before this message,
> (b) object to this attempt, and
> (c) do not withdraw this objection while that is possible
I fill this ticket.
I object to root's attempt to cause the Reformed Bank of Agora to
destroy currencies.
-- 
ais523


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contracts and Changes

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:57 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote:
> ais523 wrote:
> 
> > Name: The Werewolves of Agora Nomic
> > Contest: true
> > Publicity: public
> > Pledge: false
> > Parties: Murphy, root, Zefram, Wooble, ais523, tusho, Pavitra, ehird
> 
> Claim of error:  comex and Quazie are also parties.
Admitted.

> Also, the HTML version of the Notary's report omits the AAA.
Really? I'll have to look into how that happened.
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Proto-weekly-report for Notary

2008-07-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CONTESTS (must be public to become a contest)
>
> NameContestmaster
> -
> Agoran Agricultural Association BobTHJ
> Agoran Proposal Awards  BobTHJ

proto-COE: The Agoran Proposal Awards is a pseudo-contest, not an
actual contest.

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-03 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 12:53 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote:
> Federal Subsidy: 8
I request subsidisation.
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> No, 4 - 4 is 0, in any base arithmetic.
>>>
>> Oops...
>>
>> But not in binary :)
>
> If you're using a 4 in your binary, you're probably doing something
> horribly wrong.

Obviously in binary, 4 is an arbitrary symbol like X, so 4 - 4 is 0,
even in binary.  -G.






Re: DIS: Proposal mania

2008-07-03 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why not PRESENT on all of them?

Because I can't be sure they don't have a scam in. Especially seeing
as how there are so many, the likelihood of an embedded scam is
higher.

-- 
Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you."
 -- Unknown


DIS: Proto-weekly-report for Notary

2008-07-03 Thread Ed Murphy
PARTNERSHIPS (must be public to be a person)

NamePartners

Association of Federated Organizations  comex, Levi, Murphy, pikhq
Human Point Two OscarMeyr, Quazie
Left Hand   Murphy, pikhq
PerlNomic Partnership   abliss, ais523, chuck, comex,
  erez, Ivan Hope, jay, norgg,
  Pavitra, tusho, woggle, Wooble
Pineapple Partnership   comex, Zefram
Reformed Bank of Agora  BobTHJ, Ivan Hope, Murphy, root
Teh Cltohed Mna ... Ivan Hope, tusho


CONTESTS (must be public to become a contest)

NameContestmaster
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Agoran Agricultural Association BobTHJ
Agoran Proposal Awards  BobTHJ
Enigma  ais523
Fantasy Rules Contest   root
The Werewolves of Agora Nomic   Murphy


PLEDGES (* = public)

NameParties
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Agoran Slavery  BobTHJ
*Note Exchange  Ivan Hope, Murphy
Objectionable   comex, Quazie, tusho
pledge #1   Ivan Hope
pledge #12  tusho
pledge #14  ais523
pledge #15  ais523
*pledge concerning Vigilantes   Wooble
*Protection Racket  BobTHJ, Ivan Hope, tusho
Vote Goethe Goethe


OTHER (* = public)

NamePurpose
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*Agoran Civil Service Union currency: ningis
Ducks & Platypuses  Automatic violation
equation of CFJ 1927release comex from Vote Market
*Flapjack   charter nomic
*Points Relay Service   proto-contest
*Vote Marketcurrency: Vote Points