DIS: Re: BUS: An action
Warrigal wrote:
I act on behalf of ə to register ə.
I figured out how to get this into the database, but why does
http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/status.php (newly modified to
specify charset=utf-8 rather than charset=iso-8859-1) render it
incorrectly by default? Here's the main part of the source
code, if it matters:
$q = query(SELECT name, email FROM players WHERE NOT deregistered AND
active AND NOT lyingdown AND NOT leaning AND NOT hadturn ORDER BY
lower(name));
$n = pg_numrows($q);
for ($r = 0; $r $n; $r++) {
$e = pg_fetch_object($q, $r);
echo tr td .$e-name. /td td .$e-email. /td /tr\n;
}
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An action
2009/6/29 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: I figured out how to get this into the database, but why does http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/status.php (newly modified to specify charset=utf-8 rather than charset=iso-8859-1) render it incorrectly by default? Your HTTP server is sending a Content-Type header that's overriding the specification in the page itself. You'll have to either fix that or recode that schwa in ISO-8859-1 or entities. Here are the headers, since I think they look cool: GET /cotc/status.php HTTP/1.1 host: zenith.homelinux.net HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:03:36 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) Accept-Ranges: bytes X-Powered-By: PHP/4.2.2 Pragma: no-cache Cache-control: no-cache Expires: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:03:42 -0700 Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 --Warrigal David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, bottled in formaldehyde, caught his eye. 'Oh,' he thought, 'to be alive again.'
DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2606 assigned to Taral
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 00:08 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2606 == Equity Case 2606 == This omits my gratuitous arguments (that it would be more equitable to keep the total number of scrolls everyone owns constant, than reset things to be the same for everyone). -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 10:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: As I have said, I don't know for sure when I will next suddenly disappear for over a week, so I leave all contests except AAA and the Cookie Jar. If you disappear for a couple of days, and I notice, I'll intend to make you inactive, to shield you from obligations until you get back. (Or you could deactivate yourself, if you can get a message off just before you disappear; I don't know if that would be possible.) -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting
2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 10:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: As I have said, I don't know for sure when I will next suddenly disappear for over a week, so I leave all contests except AAA and the Cookie Jar. If you disappear for a couple of days, and I notice, I'll intend to make you inactive, to shield you from obligations until you get back. (Or you could deactivate yourself, if you can get a message off just before you disappear; I don't know if that would be possible.) -- ais523 There's no bad stuff happening when going inactive, so that I can do it for just a few days? -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An action
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I figured out how to get this into the database, but why does http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/status.php (newly modified to specify charset=utf-8 rather than charset=iso-8859-1) render it incorrectly by default? Either change your default charset for php, or render a meta http-equiv tag. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown
DIS: Re: BUS: A rather flat Happy Birthday
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 05:10 -0700, Taral wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: to satisfy the Winning Condition of Musicianship, and I win by Musicianship. Congrats. :) Happy birthday Agora, by the way! Happy birthday Agora!
DIS: Re: BUS: A rather flat Happy Birthday
2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 05:10 -0700, Taral wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: to satisfy the Winning Condition of Musicianship, and I win by Musicianship. Congrats. :) Happy birthday Agora, by the way! Happy birthday Agora! I create a Magenta Ribbon in my own possession. I create a Magenta Ribbon in Taral's possession. I destroy one ribbon of each colour to satisfy the Winning Condition of Renaissance, and win by Renaissance. Happy birthday again, Agora! I create a Magenta Ribbon in my own possession. -- ais523 Oh. I was ninja'd by ais523, and Taral already had one I think. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [3SR-DM] (i)nventory
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 17:46, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 8. At any time, a nomic may nkeplwgplxgioyzjvtxjnncsqscvntlbdqromyeyvlhkjgteaqnneqgujjpwcbyfrpueoydjjk by announcement. Whenever a nomic nkeplwgplxgioyzjvtxjnncsqscvntlbdqromyeyvlhkjgteaqnneqgujjpwcbyfrpueoydjjks, they are pledging their unquestioned loyalty to Fookiemyartug and by doing so declaring Fookiemyartug and each of its partners to be the winners of that nomic. The obvious scam failed because non-parties were not bound by its definition (Fookiemyartug also attempted to apply various internal changes retroactively, though I forget exactly how that interacted with anything else). See CFJs 1805a and 1819-21. IIRC, Fookiemyartug was ruled to have never been a contract (and subsequently a player) since it initially had only myself as the basis. Provision 7 of the contract stated: 7. A person may become party to this agreement with the consent of the partner known as BobTHJ. Becoming a party to this agreement retroactively causes that person to be a party to this agreement since its inception. After being forced to reveal it's membership, comex agreed to join and I attempted to (unsucessfully) argue for Fookiemyartug's personship based on the retroactive provision above. BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6387-6394
2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: 6388 D 1 2.0 Tiger No more sneaky contestmasters AGAINST, doesn't actually fix the problem (nothing says that second-class persons CANNOT become players) Oh. I'm sure that I thought this through and was certain that id did fix the problem when I wrote it, but now it seems you're right... -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set
2009/6/20 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk:
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:16 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote:
Ryan Ursenbach wrote:
I agree to all of those contracts
Sean Hunt wrote:
Agree to these instead:
{
I pledge that I may be referred to in Agora as costanza. Any first-
class person (as defined by Agora) can terminate this pledge by
announcement.
}
{
This is a public equitable contract entitled CO 1.
I terminate the first contract listed here.
I publically announce the fact that all the other CO contracts
self-terminated.
--
ais523
Notary
As I'm trying to sort out who gained notes for awarding points - who
was this constanza person, and what happened? Could someone who
actually understood this scam please explain?
--
-Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:00 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: As I'm trying to sort out who gained notes for awarding points - who was this constanza person, and what happened? Could someone who actually understood this scam please explain? constanza was presumably a third-party who agreed to help out with the scam for no award. He can't earn Notes from awarding the points, due to not being a player. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set
2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:00 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: As I'm trying to sort out who gained notes for awarding points - who was this constanza person, and what happened? Could someone who actually understood this scam please explain? constanza was presumably a third-party who agreed to help out with the scam for no award. He can't earn Notes from awarding the points, due to not being a player. -- ais523 Thanks. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report
2009/6/29 C-walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com: A player CAN flip a specified Interested proposal to Distributable without a number of objections equal to -II + 4 (where II is the Interest Index of the specified proposal). A player CAN flip a specified Disinterested proposal to Distributable by announcement. Why not 4 - II (where II is the Interest Index... instead? -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: Cha cha cha
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 08:43 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: I spend G# F# F to gain E. I spend G# F# F to gain E. I'm not entirely sure the Note math works here. G# to F# is two semitones, F to E is one. Or have I misread what you were trying to do? -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Happy Birthday
2009/6/29 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: I spend Db D B to gain a Bb note. I spend 3 Db notes, 2 E notes, 5 Eb notes, 2 G notes, 2 A notes, 2 Ab notes, and 9 Bb notes (...) BobTHJ According to my records, you only have 7 Bb notes - 6 as of the last report on 17 June, none gained since then except your transposing just now, which makes 7. Have I missed something? -- -Tiger
DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts have settled, I'll deputise to publish this report for real. And since I have made it anyway, I'll post it for the new conductor to use should e be installed soon. Ex-Conductor's Lead Sheet Date of this report: Mon 29 Jun 2009 Date of last report: Wed 17 Jun 2009 (ratified 24 Jun) (All times are UTC) C#D# F#G#A# Player C D E F G A B Total DbEb GbAbBb ais523 3 3 5 5 8 4 19 2 7 13 6 23 98 allispaul 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 BobTHJ 2 7 3 2 6 4 3 3 0 7 6 8 51 c. (1) 2 0 0 0 4 1 3 2 15 0 9 10 46 coppro 2 2 6 1 9 0 2 4 1 2 2 3 34 c-walker 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Dvorak Herring 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 Edward (2) 1 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 Gravity (3)1 0 6 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 11 Murphy 0 6 0 0 8 6 11 5 32 12 9 18 107 OscarMeyr 10 3 10 0 8 0 1 1 5 11 5 4 58 Pavitra1 1 1 0 0 3 4 0 3 0 0 2 15 PNP0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 4 Quazie 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 10 Rodlen 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 Sgeo 4 0 2 3 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 0 14 Tanner Swett (4) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Taral 5 3 4 2 4 5 0 4 3 4 3 3 40 Tiger 6 0 3 3 6 6 0 12 1 11 1 2 51 woggle 0 2 10 3 6 0 2 4 2 8 1 0 38 wooble11 0 6 5 7 8 0 9 0 4 2 1 53 Yally 9 2 2 1 1 0 3 0 4 0 4 0 26 zeckalpha 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Lost and Found Dept. 4 1 1 1 3 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 12 Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 (1) Previously comex (2) You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward (previously Arnold Bros (est. 1905), ehird before that) (3) Gravity Circumference Line Deja Vu Cardboard Duck e^(-kt) (previously Goethe) (4) Previously Abraham de Lacey Guiseppe Thomas O'Malley, Warrigal before that All other players have no Notes. History --- 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - allispaul +C gained points, +D judgment 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - ais523 +G gained points, +G# awarded points, +2A judgment, +3B weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - BobTHJ +A weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - comex +G gained points, +3B weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - coppro +G gained points, +B weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Gravity +2D judgment, +F# XY=0 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Murphy +G gained points, +A judgment, +3B weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - OscarMeyr +2A# judgment 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Quazie +F# XY=0 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Rodlen +C gained points, +D judgment 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Tiger +F gained points, +G judgment, +3A weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - wooble +D# gained points, +E awarded points, +F judgment, +3G weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:00 - Yally +2C weekly duties 15 Jun 2009 00:28 - comex -G# spending 15 Jun 2009 09:38 - Tiger -E spending 16 Jun 2009 14:43 - BobTHJ -2B spending 16 Jun 2009 16:03 - Wooble -(G# C D#) spending 17 Jun 2009 02:57 - woggle -(D F# A) spending --- Time of last report --- 17 Jun 2009 20:25 - coppro -G spending 17 Jun 2009 22:29 - Yally changes key to D 18 Jun 2009 02:41 - Murphy -Ab spending 18 Jun 2009 15:37 - wooble -(C E G) spending 18 Jun 2009 19:28 - Murphy -Ab spending 21 Jun 2009 03:13 - Murphy -6Ab spending 21 Jun 2009 03:40 - Murphy -Ab spending 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - ais523 +A judgment, +3B weekly duties, +C# XY=0 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - allispaul +D judgment 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - BobTHJ +A weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - c. +G gained points, +A judgment, +3B weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - coppro +G gained points, +G# awarded points, +A judgment, +D X=Y0, +F# II=2 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - c-walker +C gained points 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Gravity +E weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Murphy +G# awarded points, +A judgment, +3B weekly duties, D# YX=0 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Pavitra +C gained points, +A judgment, +C# XY=0 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Quazie +C gained points 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Rodlen +D judgment 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Tiger +3A weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - wooble +3G weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - Yally +D gained points, +E judgment, +2F# weekly duties 22 Jun 2009 00:00 - zeckalpha +C gained points 25 Jun 2009 15:53 - Murphy -Ab spending 28 Jun 2009 02:28 - PNP is deregistered, (D# 3G#) is now owned by the Lost and Found Dept. 28 Jun 2009 04:46 - Gravity -D spending 28 Jun 2009 21:57 - wooble
Re: DIS: Proto: Charity
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: But is it a good idea? As one of several players with effectively no assets, it sounds like a great idea ;). -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:04 AM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: This has been reported as undistributable in the past two proposal pool reports, when I remember spending D to make it Distributable on Fri, Jun 12, at 5:31 PM, to be exact. I CoE that this proposal should be listed as distributable. You have a precise memory! Or an effective Gmail labeling system, I'm not sure which :P. -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:18 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts have settled, I'll deputise to publish this report for real. And since I have made it anyway, I'll post it for the new conductor to use should e be installed soon. Does this take the recent Win by Musicianship attempts into account? -- ais523
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:18 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts have settled, I'll deputise to publish this report for real. And since I have made it anyway, I'll post it for the new conductor to use should e be installed soon. Does this take the recent Win by Musicianship attempts into account? -- ais523 Check the history. It does, but Murphy's and BobTHJ's have not had their note spendings processed since it's unsure whether they worked. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards
Murphy wrote: Guesses for June 22-28 Proposals CFJs --- Tue 16 Jun 16:35:58 c. 15 15 Sun 21 Jun 08:50:09 c-walker 16 9 Sun 21 Jun 08:54:13 Yally 8 12 * 4 x-points to c-walker * 8 y-points to c-walker I guess 8 CFJs for the next week for which I haven't already guessed. Murphy, does the proposal guessing system work by the number submitted or the number distributed? -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting
2009/6/29 C-walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jonatan
Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote:
There's no bad stuff happening when going inactive, so that I can do
it for just a few days?
I agree to the following {{ This becomes a contract when Tiger joins
and ceases to be a contract if e leaves it. Any player CAN act on
behalf of Tiger to make em inactive without objection from Tiger
within 24 hours. }} Hope that helps.
--
C-walker
I was thinking more along the lines of me not wanting to become
inactive due to bad stuff happening to, I dunno, maybe my crops or
notes or something. But it seems not, and I think that I will at least
have time to realize that I'm going away and inactivate myself.
--
-Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:35 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of me not wanting to become inactive due to bad stuff happening to, I dunno, maybe my crops or notes or something. But it seems not, and I think that I will at least have time to realize that I'm going away and inactivate myself. Being inactive lets us transfer duties away from you more easily, and prevents you voting, and lets us deregister you if you're inactive for 3 months continuously. That's about it. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 I find it hard to believe that after all the recent spending there is the exact same distribution of notes as there was 12 days ago.
DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:42 +0100, C-walker wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, Wooble wrote: Happy Birthday, Agora! I thought we went by UTC time? Anyway, Happy Birthday, Agora! We do for almost everything, the Birthday's an exception. Also, putting game actions in your sig? -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
2009/6/29 C-walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Jun 29, Wooble wrote: Happy Birthday, Agora! I thought we went by UTC time? Anyway, Happy Birthday, Agora! rock in stormy seas Agora lives on, sane bring on next summer -- C-walker who creates a Magenta ribbon in eir possession We do otherwise, but for some reason not when it comes to Agoras birthday. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
2009/6/29 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 I find it hard to believe that after all the recent spending there is the exact same distribution of notes as there was 12 days ago. Oh my. Epic Fail. Disregard that report - the history is correct, but the note holdings are only correct in my excel sheets. The last step is always to transfer them to the plaintext version, but I forgot that this time. Will update. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:27 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/6/29 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:18 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts have settled, I'll deputise to publish this report for real. And since I have made it anyway, I'll post it for the new conductor to use should e be installed soon. Does this take the recent Win by Musicianship attempts into account? -- ais523 Check the history. It does, but Murphy's and BobTHJ's have not had their note spendings processed since it's unsure whether they worked. Actually, my holdings and Wooble's in that report are both identical to the report before. I haven't checked the others, but likely they're the same too; did you post the wrong report by mistake? -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards
c-walker wrote: I guess 8 CFJs for the next week for which I haven't already guessed. NttPF. Murphy, does the proposal guessing system work by the number submitted or the number distributed? 4) The distribution of a proposal is a point-worthy event (counting at most 5 proposals per author per week) for the X axis.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 4) The distribution of a proposal is a point-worthy event (counting at most 5 proposals per author per week) for the X axis. Considering we can know right before the week starts how many I must legally distribute, it's surprising that people guess so early in the week. Then again, I forgot to guess at the end of the week...
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:42 +0100, C-walker wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, Wooble wrote: Happy Birthday, Agora! I thought we went by UTC time? Anyway, Happy Birthday, Agora! We do for almost everything, the Birthday's an exception. Also, putting game actions in your sig? Thanks for explaining that (to everyone that did). And are game action in your sig considered bad form? Sorry if they are, that was a one off. -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:08 +0100, C-walker wrote: Thanks for explaining that (to everyone that did). And are game action in your sig considered bad form? Sorry if they are, that was a one off. It's the sort of sneaky action that makes it look like you're trying to hide something; not necessarily bad form, but it'll make people suspicious. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: It's the sort of sneaky action that makes it look like you're trying to hide something; not necessarily bad form, but it'll make people suspicious. and/or make the recordkeepor miss your action, causing em to violate the rules when publishing eir report, for which they'll take revenge by keeping your caste at Savage forever.
Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report
2009/6/29 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: 2009/6/29 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Total 73 31 75 28 73 37 56 47 82 72 48 74 696 I find it hard to believe that after all the recent spending there is the exact same distribution of notes as there was 12 days ago. Oh my. Epic Fail. Disregard that report - the history is correct, but the note holdings are only correct in my excel sheets. The last step is always to transfer them to the plaintext version, but I forgot that this time. Will update. Okay, note holdings that are actually changed to reflect what's in the history log. Not including BobTHJ's win attempt or any of Murphy's. C#D# F#G#A# Player C D E F G A B Total DbEb GbAbBb ais523 3 2 5 3 6 4 10 3 4 15 1 27 83 allispaul 2 0 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 BobTHJ 3 4 0 2 6 5 0 4 0 11 7 8 50 c. (1) 2 0 1 0 4 1 3 4 15 2 9 16 57 coppro 2 2 7 1 9 0 3 4 2 4 2 3 39 c-walker 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 Dvorak Herring 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 Edward (2) 1 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 Gravity (3)2 0 5 1 2 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 14 Murphy 0 6 0 1 8 6 10 6 23 13 9 23 105 OscarMeyr 10 3 10 0 8 0 1 1 6 11 5 4 59 Pavitra2 2 1 0 0 3 4 1 3 2 0 2 20 Quazie 4 1 2 0 1 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 11 Rodlen 3 0 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8 Sgeo 4 0 2 3 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 0 14 Tanner Swett (4) 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 Taral 5 3 4 2 4 5 0 4 3 4 3 3 40 Tiger 6 0 3 3 6 6 0 12 1 14 1 2 54 woggle 0 2 10 3 6 0 2 4 2 8 1 0 38 wooble 1 0 3 3 4 3 0 7 0 2 0 1 24 Yally 9 2 4 1 2 0 7 0 5 0 4 0 34 zeckalpha 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 Lost and Found Dept. 4 1 1 2 3 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 16 Total 71 28 76 25 72 33 50 52 73 86 42 89 697 (1) Previously comex (2) You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward (previously Arnold Bros (est. 1905), ehird before that) (3) Gravity Circumference Line Deja Vu Cardboard Duck e^(-kt) (previously Goethe) (4) Previously Abraham de Lacey Guiseppe Thomas O'Malley, Warrigal before that All other players have no Notes. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: birthday
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: It's the sort of sneaky action that makes it look like you're trying to hide something; not necessarily bad form, but it'll make people suspicious. and/or make the recordkeepor miss your action, causing em to violate the rules when publishing eir report, for which they'll take revenge by keeping your caste at Savage forever. Am I supposed to be laughing or crying now? -- C-walker who won't be trying that again
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card proposal
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, comex wrote: [Various errors in Card proposal] Arggh... will teach me not to try editing a big proposal in airport lounges on a crummy borrowed laptop just to get it out in time for birthday. Looks like a few cards will be broken out of the gate but not dangerously, but can be patched, possibly before any of them are dealt. Plan to submit a fix proposal tomorrow. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy Birthday
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:06, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/29 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: I spend Db D B to gain a Bb note. I spend 3 Db notes, 2 E notes, 5 Eb notes, 2 G notes, 2 A notes, 2 Ab notes, and 9 Bb notes (...) BobTHJ According to my records, you only have 7 Bb notes - 6 as of the last report on 17 June, none gained since then except your transposing just now, which makes 7. Have I missed something? Crap, you're right. I screwed up. BobTHJ
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2605 assigned to ehird
2009/6/29 Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com: music-currency [which can only mean Notes, in this context] to .kreig. [which is the Lojban form of my real name, and the name by which I am known in the Lojban community], who is .tefkros. [my preferred Lojbanization of teucer, based on the original Greek form of said name, which is Феэкспт]. Parties cannot leave the contract. Observation: I could have sworn that when I sent out the e-mail that is the evidence, I specified the Greek form correctly, using Greek characters which transliterate as Teukros. However, I see the above as instead containing Cyrillic characters which transliterate as Fyeekspt, which is of course not my name. Did this munging happen before or after the evidence reached the forum? Is this reproduction of said evidence erroneous? - teucer, aka .kreig., aka .tefkros., aka Fyeekspt Your original message arrived with it in Greek.
DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? Could be a potential wording scam here, given there's no entity in particular that 'e' generally refers to in Agora, but instead, it's used to refer to lots of different entities. (There was a CFJ a while ago (CFJ 2319) asking whether people saying 'e' really meant the number: it was ruled that it referred to the number by default, but only when this was reasonable, and it wasn't reasonable anywhere in the rules. I wonder if C-walker's name change makes it reasonable?) No, because technically I believe e changed eir name to a number slightly lower than the number e followed by an ellipsis, rather than to the number itself.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Craig Danielteu...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? Could be a potential wording scam here, given there's no entity in particular that 'e' generally refers to in Agora, but instead, it's used to refer to lots of different entities. (There was a CFJ a while ago (CFJ 2319) asking whether people saying 'e' really meant the number: it was ruled that it referred to the number by default, but only when this was reasonable, and it wasn't reasonable anywhere in the rules. I wonder if C-walker's name change makes it reasonable?) No, because technically I believe e changed eir name to a number slightly lower than the number e followed by an ellipsis, rather than to the number itself. Generally the ellipsis indicates that the number continues beyond that point. In some recent proposals there is a relevant parallel with things like Replace the paragraph beginning with A player CAN... . -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Craig Daniel wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. No, because technically I believe e changed eir name to a number slightly lower than the number e followed by an ellipsis, rather than to the number itself. Indeed... it should be 'e' for long, not short. And 2.171828183... isn't long; it isn't even double. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? Could be a potential wording scam here, given there's no entity in particular that 'e' generally refers to in Agora, but instead, it's used to refer to lots of different entities. (There was a CFJ a while ago (CFJ 2319) asking whether people saying 'e' really meant the number: it was ruled that it referred to the number by default, but only when this was reasonable, and it wasn't reasonable anywhere in the rules. I wonder if C-walker's name change makes it reasonable?) First ominous instance of e in the ruleset: Every person has the right to cause formal reconsideration of any judicial determination that e should be punished. More fun: An eligible voter on a particular Agoran decision submits a ballot to the vote collector by publishing a valid notice indicating which one of the available options e selects. Also gains of most ribbons and some Notes would go to me. -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Craig Danielteu...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. Generally the ellipsis indicates that the number continues beyond that point. In some recent proposals there is a relevant parallel with things like Replace the paragraph beginning with A player CAN... . Generally quotation marks around something mean that you mean literally what is quoted.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? Could be a potential wording scam here, given there's no entity in particular that 'e' generally refers to in Agora, but instead, it's used to refer to lots of different entities. The statement has 'e' been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? is unarguably YES/TRUE. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Craig Danielteu...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. Generally the ellipsis indicates that the number continues beyond that point. In some recent proposals there is a relevant parallel with things like Replace the paragraph beginning with A player CAN... . Generally quotation marks around something mean that you mean literally what is quoted. Of course, normally there's no ambiguity about which way it is meant. Here there is. So... perhaps the name change failed because it was ambiguous whether e meant the number e or the first few digits thereof and some punctuation.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 13:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: I change my name to 2.71828183... or e for short. I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being a name that has generally been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? Could be a potential wording scam here, given there's no entity in particular that 'e' generally refers to in Agora, but instead, it's used to refer to lots of different entities. The statement has 'e' been used to refer to another entity within the past three months? is unarguably YES/TRUE. -G. Yep, it's the generally that's confusing me here, as I can't figure out if it implies there's an entity that 'e' generally refers to, which is false. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: Also gains of most ribbons and some Notes would go to me. *sigh* see CFJ 1520, last two paragraphs of judge's arguments, please. -G. I said /would/, not really thinking that the scam would work. -- C-walker
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Yep, it's the generally that's confusing me here, as I can't figure out if it implies there's an entity that 'e' generally refers to, which is false. Well, it's certainly confusing even if it's not because e generally referred to another entity.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2598-99 assigned to coppro
Benjamin Caplan wrote: This feels wrong somehow. The first two paragraphs appear to be arguing for TRUE, but then the last one contradicts their conclusions without refuting their arguments. In light of the reasoning presented in the second paragraph of this judgement, how do you find inclarity as to whether immibis intended to be bound? I find it unambiguous that e intended to allow ais523 to use eir script to publish the contract, but there is no actual indication that e intended for a contract to be formed - rather, the intent was to see if the contract would be formed.
Re: DIS: Proto: Charity
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: This is a public contract named the Charity Foundation. Parties to this contract are known as Helpful. Intriguing. I've never seen a contract demonym that was an adjective rather than a noun. Departement to the Charity Foundation, if possible. Helpful players Department. If, at the beginning of a quarter, the Charity Foundation owns any assets, the Founder shall outline a Gift Plan of how those assets are to be distributed. Assets should be given to the players (if any) who have helped Agora significantly or players in great need. The Founder can then, with Agoran consent among the Helpful, act on behalf of the Charity Foundation to transfer assets from it as outlined by the Plan. If consent is not reached, the Founder shall outline a new Gift Plan. Any Helpful player should be able to submit a Gift Plan, though the Founder is still required to do so quarterly. Voting on multiple Gift Plans should be possible in parallel (I think they are in the current wording). The last sentence quoted above should read The Founder SHALL outline as many Gift Plans as necessary until consent is reached for one. This way, when e outlines a new one before the previous one actually fails, e isn't required to create a third Plan after the first fails. I was going to suggest that Gift Plan be renamed to something that doesn't share an acronym with Grand Poobah, but caste is going to be repealed soon anyway. But is it a good idea? Yes.
Re: DIS: Proto: Charity
2009/6/29 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: This is a public contract named the Charity Foundation. Parties to this contract are known as Helpful. Intriguing. I've never seen a contract demonym that was an adjective rather than a noun. Departement to the Charity Foundation, if possible. Helpful players Department. If, at the beginning of a quarter, the Charity Foundation owns any assets, the Founder shall outline a Gift Plan of how those assets are to be distributed. Assets should be given to the players (if any) who have helped Agora significantly or players in great need. The Founder can then, with Agoran consent among the Helpful, act on behalf of the Charity Foundation to transfer assets from it as outlined by the Plan. If consent is not reached, the Founder shall outline a new Gift Plan. Any Helpful player should be able to submit a Gift Plan, though the Founder is still required to do so quarterly. Voting on multiple Gift Plans should be possible in parallel (I think they are in the current wording). The last sentence quoted above should read The Founder SHALL outline as many Gift Plans as necessary until consent is reached for one. This way, when e outlines a new one before the previous one actually fails, e isn't required to create a third Plan after the first fails. I was going to suggest that Gift Plan be renamed to something that doesn't share an acronym with Grand Poobah, but caste is going to be repealed soon anyway. But is it a good idea? Yes. The Gift Plan has to be largely rewritten anyway because it currently only allows charity through asset transfer, and a lot of assets are not transferable just like that. I think the solution would have to be a very general clause of making sure the Foundation's assets are put to good use or something. Then if we ever have a system like the current notes again the gift plan could outline using them for increasing a certain player's caste or something. I'm happy for any thoughts on names, by the way. English is not my first language and I'm not into charity or any kind of business or organisation, so I just picked names that sounded good. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: [3SR-DM] (i)nventory
2009/6/30 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: Sean Hunt wrote: I intend, without party objection, to amend 3-Scroll Rodney as follows: - Change the Frequency of the Scrolls of Concentration and Hallucination to 0.12 each. - Add a new scroll, the Scroll of Fire, with frequency 0.06. When read, the Dungeon Master SHALL privately ask the reader for a player. The Dungeon Master SHALL act as if the chosen player had read a Scroll of Item Destruction upon receipt of the message. I intend, without 2 objections, to create a medal in 3-Scroll Rodney's possession. -coppro I award a bunch of people a bunch of random scrolls to fulfill my obligations. I do the quoted actions, starting a new Contest Period and destroying those Scrolls. New Scroll awards forthcoming. DM's Report: No one has any Scrolls. 3SR Status: Parties to 3-Scroll Rodney ais523 allispaul BobTHJ coppro comex c-walker OscarMeyr Pavitra Quazie Siege Tiger Yally CoE: I left all contests except AAA and Cookie Jar yesterday. Or whenever it was. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Proto: Charity
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 00:08 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I'm happy for any thoughts on names, by the way. English is not my first language and I'm not into charity or any kind of business or organisation, so I just picked names that sounded good. I do like the idea of charity; but, I think it might be more interesting to pass rules changes so that the LFD can be used as a charitable donations area (renaming it in the process), than making a contract. I like the idea of players' possessions going to charity when they deregister. (The ability of recordkeepors to create arbitrary assets in the LFD might need to be changed too, though.) -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: ATTN: parties to ə
Warrigal wrote: I intend, with the consent of all parties to ə, to append the following sentence to it: Any party to ə may act on its behalf with the consent of all other parties. I intend, with the consent of all parties to ə, to cause ə to publish the message Happy Birthday, Agora! It's Agora's birthday. I have the consent of myself and coppro; we need that of comex, allispaul, and teucer. --Warrigal Note: the last party to consent can resolve the action, as Warrigal has consented.
Re: DIS: Proto: Charity
New draft: (I don't agree to this yet) 1. Purpose of the Foundation This is a public contract named the Charity Foundation. The purpose of this contract is to let assets that are not otherwise used come to benefit the ones who deserve or need them. Parties to this contract are known as Helpful. Players can join this contract by announcement. Players can leave this contract by announcement. Helpful players can amend this contract without member objection. 2. The Founder The Charity Foundation's Founder is a switch with values 'none' and all Helpful players. Any Helpful player can flip it to any value with Agoran consent among the Helpful. Its default value is the Helpful player who has been so continuously for the longest time. 3. Acquisition of assets The Founder should now and then intend to transfer assets from the Lost and Found Department to the Charity Foundation, if possible. Helpful players shall not object to such intents. Helpful players who have assets they don't use should transfer them to the Charity Foundation, if possible. 4. Distribution of assets If, at the beginning of a quarter, the Charity Foundation owns any assets, the Founder shall in a timely fashion outline a Gift Plan of how those assets are to be distributed. Any other Helpful player can also outline such a Gift Plan. Assets should be given to (or, if such transaction are prohibited or inappropriate, put to use for the good of) the players (if any) who have helped Agora significantly or players in great need. The Founder can then, with Agoran consent among the Helpful, act on behalf of the Charity Foundation to transfer assets from it as outlined by such a Plan. The Founder shall outline as many Gift Plans as necessary until consent is reached for one. 5. Maintaining the Foundation Helpful players can, without Helpful objection, act on behalf the Charity Foundation to perform any action that is possible and legal for it to perform. All Helpful players shall act collectively to ensure that it fulfills its obligations. If the Charity Foundation is a player, it shall never vote anything but PRESENT on any decision and should not take on obligations that are not necessary for its cause. The Helpful should do their best to ensure that the Charity Foundation is permitted to own the kinds of assets that make for good charity. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: PNP may be dead
2009/6/29 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: I object. Activity is needed because, in the case of non-embassy But what about
DIS: Re: BUS: ATTN: parties to ?
Warrigal wrote: I intend, with the consent of all parties to ?, to append the following sentence to it: Any party to ? may act on its behalf with the consent of all other parties. I intend, with the consent of all parties to ?, to cause ? to publish the message Happy Birthday, Agora! It's Agora's birthday. I have the consent of myself and coppro; we need that of comex, allispaul, and teucer. --Warrigal I consent publicly.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ATTN: parties to ?
Sean Hunt wrote to the discussion forum: I consent publicly. No, you don't.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP may be dead
ehird wrote: 2009/6/29 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: I object. Activity is needed because, in the case of non-embassy But what about Fnord!
